How to Saw Correctly - tips and tricks with a Japanese Pull saw

[@katzmosestools]

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[@xHideousFoxx]

I do my woodworking the old fashioned way measure once and cut twice.

[@kendalldelair6821]

I see you're a man of culture as well

[@realityhurts8697]

I call guys like you, because I measure three times and still screw it up. Now metal I measure once cut short and use a shrinker/stretcher to get my 16th back

[@charlesferolin89]

@@realityhurts8697 q*

[@nullsnaggle5198]

Wait...you measure?

[@vonkarbel]

Can you please explain what measure once and cut twice means? Thanks in advance

[@cathalohanlon8765]

That reflection trick is awesome. Thank you. Keep stroking and blowing. Your doing a great job.

[@mmmsshenanigans9422]

I have been struggling with this for months and out of the 20 or 30 videos I have watched I feel like this was the best. You really explained what you were doing and talked about positioning of the arms and body and it just actually made sense. So many other people making videos about this just say what they are thinking as they do it but don't explain why or any specifics. I feel like this video is really going to help. Thanks

[@agwheeler2000]

Got my Suizan Ryoba for the KM store thinking it might be handy. Holy crap, it's AMAZING! It's so much easier to keep plumb than a traditional Western push saw. Thanks, JKM. I can now stroke and blow like a pro. (Mind out of the gutter!)

[@corkcamden9878]

Jonathan, As a first time Japanese saw user, you kept me away from "Mr. Know-it-All"...they would be me. This an excellent, easily understood instructional. Thanks for setting me on the correct path. Best of health to you, Mr. Moses! Cork

[@mr.techjedi1507]

That phrase should definitely be framed - "woodworking is about fixing your mistakes not, not making them". Great video.

[@ShaneTheViking]

Woodworking is about fixing your mistakes.... thank you, that has helped my kiddos get over their fear of making mistakes.

[@decuevas244]

Great job. I have found it easier with a Japanese pull saw to start my cut with a forward motion. Much easier and way less tearout for the start. As far as starting the cut with the cross cut side, absolutely! Again, nicely done! david

[@michaelandjennywilliams2553]

Total noob here. Trying to learn the basics in an effort to do a lot of my own work restoring the woodwork for the interior of my sailboat. I thought your video was very informative and concise. Thank you very much! Got my new saw and putting it to use!

[@BenJamin-wu8jv]

That reflection technique to keep it square is brilliant. Always learn something here.

[@andylevine4018]

Just got a Suizan dovetail saw for Father's day. Did a couple of test cuts and was amazed. Then I watched this video so I probably won't mess up to badly when I do some real cuts soon. Thanks for posting, understanding the fundamentals is crucial.

[@danielbatts9386]

Another great video. I love Japanese saws. I only have a couple Western saws, but I rarely use them. What you said about the sound of the cut is really important. That's why I never listen to music while I'm working because listening to the wood makes a lot of difference. I have both of your dovetail cutting jigs. Now that I'm older and my hands are a little more shaky, they are a fantastic help.

[@dylanvanegmond8542]

Great video! After years of debating whether I would start woodwork again I decided last month to give it a go. Bought my first Japanese saw last week and been practicing enter since. These tips really help to get my cut even more accurate. Thanks

[@neuroblossom]

so much gold in here, 'wood working is about fixing your mistakes, not about not making them' also a new mantra - stroke and blow

[@orange_bike]

I really liked the tip to keep the reflection of the board straight - thanks

[@billiondollardan]

11:23 that was a really good shot of keeping the saw square to the board.

[@Yuriy6212]

First of all, I want to thank you for the carefully prepared instructional video. I have periodically at different times in my life had to make different things for the house, such as panelling for a balcony, or a wooden shelving unit, and I use mostly non-mechanized tools, amateur tools, but I have never used nokogiri and Japanese tool methods. I have a good quality European quality cross cutter that came with a replaceable blade, and it's probably over 25 years old and retains its cutting sharpness and accuracy, although I haven't used it every five years either. I'm not sure if I buy a tool now I will be able to use it in another twenty years, but let my grandson do it. Sorry for the long preface to the question. It's just that I recently bought a noname angle gauge which, to my surprise, measured 91.3° instead of 90°, which probably proves once again that our earth is not flat, but still spherical. I bought noname blades made of steel that rusted pittingly after six months in a moderate continental climate in room storage, and I understand that modern things are not meant to last forever.because the new saw is next to the one I bought when I was a quarter of a century younger, and next to the one my grandfather gave me. I really hope that Japanese saws, as well as the tradition of carpentry techniques, have retained their attitude towards the tool. My habit is to deal with blades not less than 0.8 mm thick, and I am somewhat confused by how flexible and thin Japanese saws can be, although it provides high accuracy of cut, but the question of how long they will serve and what kind of reserve should be made if you set the volume of projects, for example on the total cutting length, and by durability for years of storage. What can I learn about durability and MTBF about these tools, where can I find their characteristics in this regard? Thank you.

[@alecsyogacorner]

Wow. Making my first real project right now in my home workshop (read: bedroom) and this knife cut trick is going to change my life. Thank you!!!

[@HockeyGuy_in_STL]

I learned so much watching this presentation. A true Jedi Master.

[@jamesquinless1777]

Your channel is awesome. I’m always so thankful people like you are willing to share information like this.

[@KonsuiKoyojutsu]

I love how my 2 favorite youtubers reference each other frequently. You and Paul have not only taught me a great deal you both motivate me to try new things. Thanks for sharing with us!

[@katzmosestools]

Thanks bud! When did Paul mention me? I'm such a fan boy that I would be honored to see that.

[@KonsuiKoyojutsu]

@@katzmosestools I have heard him mention you a few times actually. I believe one of the times was in a video about sharpening chisels? I rewatch alot of his videos so next time I catch it I will let ya know!

[@Wildlander]

Such a useful and well produced video, thanks so much! Also really strong narration style.

[@John-yt5zr]

I’ve purchased two Suizan saws because of your recommendations, I am very pleased with both and I will be purchasing more in the future. I really enjoy your videos, your instructions and tips are very valuable to a novice woodworker. Thank you for the tips.

[@qualix7]

Awesome video! I live in Japan so these are the tools I have the most access to. So it’s great to have a very approachable guide to some best practices with these tools

[@heydaanrecords]

Awesome, just picked up a Riyoba so locking myself up in the good ol' man-cave :) Thanks for a very helpful video!

[@thecityofficial6367]

Stroke then blow. Got it. 😂😂 I died when you said that. Makes you seem more personable. Easily my fav KZbin channel

[@dmgmail7021]

Such a great video. I have 3 if these Saws. Can't wait to implement some of those techniques you shared in the video. One thing I love about these saws is you can cut wood while the neighbors are asleep and not wake them 😅

[@charlesthomas9294]

This was a huge help to me. It's funny how something that seems as basic as "how to saw" turned out to have so many tips and tricks. The reflection tip alone was well worth the watch. I went home after watching this and cut a bunch of perfect lines with my Japanese saw. I didn't even know the difference between the rip side and the cross-cut side previously! Many thanks for posting this, and I'm a subscriber now.

[@tomim7187]

Always suspect of Tubers who hawk "new" product lines, who sponsor them but, always heartened to see a manufacturer step up to a loyal user of their product and make it a win/win. Integrity means a lot to me. Great video ! I'll be looking into those Suizan saws.

[@katzmosestools]

Yeah man. I don't hawk anything but instead support brands I love. My integrity means everything to me. Without that I'm just an advertiser instead of a guy living his dream life doing what he loves.

[@johnclavis]

Just used my new Japanese hand saw for the first time to cut a dowel, and thanks to your tips, the cut looks better than the cut made by the hardware store supplier!

[@adventureswithmaple4459]

I love using my Japanese saw. Thanks for giving me some tips on how to use it better. I have a cheap Harbor Freight pull saw (please don't kill me) that I use for out-of-the-shop projects. With these tips, I'll get even better results now! Thank you!

[@ScottSpeedPro]

You improved my woodworking and pool game at the same time, great video and really well produced.

[@jodyfrasnelli8928]

I just bought two pull saw from lowes I'm glad I saw your video thanks bubba

[@AC-do2rz]

Loved this video. Solved my dilemma on whether or not I needed a western style back saw vs one of these Japanese style pull saws. Thanks for all your awesome content!

[@fermoCR]

After watching this I feel I have a shot at making square cuts, thanks!

[@damonmoran9462]

I love your videos, and your dovetail guide! Congratulations on the partnership with Suizan, they make really good saws. I hope they bless you with lots of tools and money, you’re definitely worth it!

[@MrBishbashbosh2012]

Love this, I always forget about the chiselling to get it started. I always cut with my Japanese saw one handed but I think I need to try two handed at some point. Thanks

[@hiker64]

Thank you, very helpful - I just bought my first inexpensive Japanese saw and now feel confident about trying it out.

[@tonyh5429]

Great tips; this will help in my future woodworking journey

[@mahanmashoof1989]

Really liked the mirror straightness trick! Thanks!

[@donlim772]

I like this. This is one of the skills of a good wood worker should learn before learning the power tools. Fine antique furnitures were made even without power tools.

[@davidlloyd1485]

Just bought my saw so really appreciate the advise... they may be cheap there but are 3 times the price in UK!

[@pnwgrown_360]

Fantastic man. Just bought a bunch of Japanese tools while in Japan. Can’t wait to use them

[@normanwalch9867]

This was a great video. I am a beginner, and some problems I have had, now make a little more sense.

[@xxindigoAphrodithexx]

Ooh love the boxes on the top shelf

[@Animusche]

You, sir, deserve much more subscribers for your excellent channel!

[@normalone0884]

I've never used a Japanese pull saw. I honestly had never even heard of that. And yet I deeply enjoyed this video. Thank you for the great work!

[@bmacaz]

Great video! Very informative. I love the Japanese hand saws so much, super easy intuitive and amazing results

[@arelfarrington9943]

I just picked up the long wooden Suzan saw before I saw this video. This makes me feel even better about my purchase! 😁

[@matthewblake6368]

Just purchased my first pull saw, thanks for helping to initiate me!

[@sussexseaangler1858]

What a great video! I find these saws soooo sharp I have to hold it back at the start to make it easier to use. Less effort when held back!

[@johncollins5021]

Wow great demo. Very good tips thanks.

[@ezeNdog]

Nice informational video... I just got the same Ryoba saw, I'm familiar with them i just haven't used or owned one. Now I know how to use it.... Also on a side note, I'm glad we don't have to worry about your scale holster on your left hip area falling off your apron ... Maybe 1 more rivet for good measure... Lol j/k great video man

[@leonardnoel888]

Well done presentation. Worth watching. Thank you.

[@birdbandit9]

Thank you for putting your videos out there for us to watch. I can't thank you enough for everything I've learned

[@Dorweaver]

I love your square holster on your apron, pure badass.

[@Johnnyjjohnboy]

Love the knife wall technique!

[@willmartin6263]

6:44 into the video: It is better to start at the far end of the cut along the top until you have scored a shallow line across the top, then make a nearly vertical, similarly scored line on the near side of the board to the end of the desired cut line, then make a diagonal cut to connect the far end with the near face bottom of the cut. The saw will follow the scored lines very easily. Now, flip the board around and make a vertical scored line along the new near face and make a perfect finish to the cut because the saw wants to follow the existing cut on the blind side and the scored line on the near side. With practice, you can do this quite quickly and with greater accuracy than your method. Just mark the cut on THREE sides, pick up the saw, score, score, cut, flip score, cut, straight as a laser. Always give the saw guidance on the blind side with a cut to follow. This is always more accurate than relying on your arm to make the cut straight.

[@erichatanaka1866]

That is a great method!

[@drewachong]

I know this is an older video, but again, thank you for the great advice on using the Japanese pull saws. I appreciate the tips on keeping the cuts straight. That is definitely my biggest challenge with hand sawing!

[@roughcutguitars]

Fantastic video - best I've seen! I pretty much use only Japanese saws now and had to learn most of this by doing, but worth re-watching as reminder of technique. Thanks!

[@michaelbolen2118]

Damn, makes me want to saw something. Nicely done, good overview.

[@vladimirkovacevic1656]

i love japanese saws,thats awesome apron and video

[@Nickporter17]

Thanks for the tips. I love the shop dog clip too!

[@markharris5771]

I’m ambidextrous, which used to make me brilliant at pool as I’m never out of position for awkward shots. Unfortunately I no longer have the upper body movement due to upper body nerve damage that’s shutting my lungs down. This means rip sawing is impossible for me and I’m limited what cross cutting I can do. However, after watching this video I might try a two hands approach, as it might not be as painful. Thank you very much indeed for that as you might have made a major difference to what woodworking is open for me to do.

[@katzmosestools]

My pleasure bud. Godspeed on your health

[@markharris5771]

Jonathan Katz-Moses Thank you.

[@jimanddeb]

Congrats! Are we gonna have to call you Mr. Ambassador now?

[@helen9525]

thank you ! you are so lovely to watch !

[@KindStranger]

This is such an awesome video! This look like a technique I really want to get into. Thanks for this.

[@romancollazo1945]

My first watch of your channel dude and good shet! When listening while working on a piece, I did a double take but realized it’s true… I’ve found the Seth Rogan of KZbin woodworking

[@momostayzanko2078]

Another great info... thank u and thanks to the cameraman. .

[@katzmosestools]

Marc is pretty dang good at the video stuff

[@blackstars3720]

Ordered my 1:6 and 1:8 dovetail jigs 👌🏾

[@willmartin6263]

3:38 into the video: The difference between crosscut and rip is not that ripping wood is "easier to remove". Crosscut slices through the wood fibers along the sides of the blade (where the fibers are -- there are no fibers to cut at the bottom of the cut where you just have to drag out tiny fibers that have already been cut at both ends), while ripping slices through wood at the bottom of the blade (where the fibers are -- there are no fibers to cut along the sides of the cut because the cut is parallel to the fibers). A rip saw will jam if you try to crosscut with it. A crosscut saw will slowly chew its way through a rip cut. Wood is not plastic or metal. It's like hair that's been glued together by the resin. Sawing is cutting the hair. You need the blades along the correct edge of the kerf to cut the hairs. Some newer Japanese saws have "power teeth" that add a rip tooth or two between groups of five to ten crosscut teeth, so it crosscuts faster, and works better on plywood where different layers have fibers running perpendicular to each other.

[@MrBobisadog]

Love your stuff! I bought two stop blocks from your store and they rock. Funny thing, not that I need instructions, but you shipped the dovetail instructions! And I have already bought your dovetail jig. Also like the shirt. Keep it up!

[@bluesinthebox7483]

Thanks for this video. A lot of useful knowledge for saw cutting here!!

[@carlcox7332]

Glad I made a good choice on my dovetail saw. I just got the suizan last weekend based off the reviews. I figured since it still had 5 stars after 1200 reviews it couldn't be better. Gonna have to order their pull saw and flush cut now. I bought some DeWalt ones and they're junk.

[@andrewwarwick2831]

With a pull saw, it's actually better to start the cut at the far end of the board, instead of the closest point. Part of the benefit of a pull saw, is it straightens the blade as you cut, but that only happens between the handle and where the blade is actually cutting the wood. So if you start the cut on the closest side of the board and extend it away from you, the tip of the blade is more prone to wobbling side to side, and can negatively affect your cut. Also, if you are going to cut all the way through a board, it's better to draw/scribe a square line all the way around the board, and then start the cut (maybe 1/4" deep) and then deepen the cut on all 4 sides until you cut through. The benefit here, is that you have the 1/4" kerf as the blade enters and leaves the cut, which helps to guide the blade as you cut. The video below explains this pretty well. Using this method with almost no hand saw experience, I was able to cut off a 4x4 (that I dimensioned square) almost perfectly, so I'm sure you could do even better. You might need to sign up for a free account on the site, but it's worth it. The guy is from Japan and trained under a Japanese master woodworker, so he really knows his stuff. diyjapanesejoinery.com/video/how-to-improve-your-cross-cutting-technique/

[@sebastiansimon9737]

Domyou have a new link? The one you provided does not longer work. BTW I would rather go for a Z-Saw Dozuki for Hardwood 240. It has much finer teeth than the one Suizan has.

[@paulmouradian8968]

great job Jonathan

[@donny_bahama]

One of the best woodworking videos I’ve seen (and I’ve watched a ton of them!) You really are a superb instructor!

[@harrypowers9412]

Thank you for this very useful video....

[@voodlandroamer4543]

Great video, thankyou for the education.

[@Z2010p8]

Great video with the great Japanese handsaw tips.

[@PhilepZ]

im a simple man, i hear a J. Bates reference, i upvote!

[@katzmosestools]

@jaybates is one hell of a pool player

[@agggravateddocsurg]

Perfect timing for me. Thanks!

[@nordic9570]

I find better control when using pull saws, you may think it's crazy but I converted two of my western to Japanese style saws by putting the handles in the opposite end.

[@LitoGeorge]

I love your thinking. What kind of Western saws did you convert? Rip/crosscut/tenon?

[@emilyporter1186]

Thank you for your recs and tutorial! V clear even for a total beginner like me! (In case you do want the correct pronunciation, the "ryo" in ryoba is pronounced like tokyo or kyoto but with a slightly rolled "r" instead of a k 😊)

[@dc5723]

Great video, I love my Suizan Ryoba saw.

[@garagemonkeysan]

Great video and instructions. Love the reflection tip. Mahalo for sharing! : )

[@krisaaron5771]

I'm very new at working with wood so please forgive a "newby" question: When using the Japanese hand saw do I put greater pressure on the "push" or "pull" stroke? And what is the best way to store the saw when it's not in use? Should it have a leather or cardboard sleeve to keep the cutting edge from being banged around and prematurely dulled? Do I need to oil it after every use? Your videos are VERY helpful -- many thanks for not assuming all your viewers are experienced cabinet-makers!

[@mild7prime]

It's funny I learn how to use Japanese saw in Japan with English. The great lesson really helped me a lot! Thank you.

[@mattrosing4299]

Thanks! I got a perfectly straight cut! I used a bunch of things you mentioned.

[@therworddiy7389]

Loved all the tips, they will definitely help!

[@s4nari]

Good shop dog. The saw tips were good too.

[@divinemartin8721]

justice for the golden!!!!

[@brentfowler2317]

Your the man, Jonathan. I learn a lot from your videos. And I was glad to find out that i own that, Suizan ryoba. I just need to pick up one of the Suizan dovetail saws. Thanks for the great info.

[@James-ke5sx]

For cross-cutting with a Japanese shark tooth saw I first score across the top of the wood with the saw and then I start cutting using pull up Strokes. This way there is absolutely no tear out of the wood it's 100% clean cut all the way around.. Japanese Carpenters use slip joints for house Construction so that when there is an earthquake the joints don't snap they allow movement. I briefly studied Japanese joinery over 40 years ago

[@tatakatakashi]

Loved this!

[@mikeromeo922]

Thanks, very helpful video.

[@PrueSean]

Jon, i just picked up the new ryoba, big fan, came across your channel recently, outstanding woodworking. You are awesome man. I look forward to being able to pull off some joinery like you!!

[@timdales8300]

AWESOME! Thanks for the tips!

[@MikeytheMaker]

Congrats on the new partnership Jonathan and great video!