Who's Afraid of Gracie Abrams?

[@EvanSol919]

The lines between hate, disliking and criticism have been erased and really need to come back.

[@JamesLawner]

The problem is that pop-culture rage-baiters on social media are solely responsible for that.

[@springsummersdragball]

i honestly don’t care if someone’s a nepo baby as long as they’re talented. biggest example in my mind is willow smith. nepo baby because of will and jada, but her music and voice and overall aesthetic is more than enough to stand on her own

[@VictoriaClerici]

that's right, i don't mind nepo babies as long as i can tell they put work into their craft and don't rely solely on their family/contacts, i'm not sure if that's the case for gracie

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

Agree

[@All-ze9cl]

also as long as they acknowledge it in the right way, like Maya Hawke saying that she recognizes that she's where she is because of her parents, but she also wants to continue doing what she loves

[@almondypeanut]

i personally don’t think gracie abrams is a nepo baby, sure she has a well known dad, but i don’t think that anyone who likes star wars only likes gracie because of her dad. i didn’t even know she was the daughter of jj abrams until i started doing more research on her, and he wasn’t the reason i continued listening. the money from her parents definitely helped her get a head start in her music, but her writing and voice is what makes people continue to listen to her, not her dad. i think once people know she is the daughter of jj abrams they put her in the category of nepotism, but her career is completely different to what her dad does. sorry for the rant, these are just my thoughts on gracie getting called a nepo baby.

[@All-ze9cl]

@@almondypeanut yeah, but there's plenty of other nepo babies whose parents are in different fields. Like Willow for example, whos dad and more are actors. Also, it may not be clear on the surface, but Gracie has the popularity and has been given the opportunities because of who her dad is.

[@shawncarter5434]

I can’t take anyone seriously when they say “oh if you don’t like her music you’re a misogynist”

[@thesealky6445]

Same

[@martina-dd6vb]

Yup, swifties do that all the time

[@alim.9801]

​@@martina-dd6vb i was bouta say, that sounds like some Taylor Swift fans 😂

[@gabitron420]

sierra mist is such a pretty name im so mad its a discontinued soft drink and not an actual pop girlie

[@oliviasayshi7517]

She's a sex worker/influencer, and the reason the drink is discontinued

[@caseyw.6550]

Wait...Sierra mist is discontinued? 😮

[@juliavoltmann8046]

@@caseyw.6550they renamed it starry, for some reason

[@gabitron420]

@@caseyw.6550 according to wikipedia it is, it was replaced by a similar drink called starry

[@liisaa287]

@@juliavoltmann8046woah 🫨🤯 I had no idea Starry was a rebrand of Sierra Mist.

[@thesealky6445]

The whole "if you don't like female artist you hate women" argument is really sounding like white feminism to me, i never hear this defense used for anyone that isn't thin, and white, and rich and attractive. That doesn’t mean that people don't ever hide their dislike for women under their dislike for Taylor swift or twilight, but its an overused excuse. Especially with all the literal racism in Twilight. Also, not all women are feminine, so someone not liking femininity is not necessarily misogyny, though i know it can be. However, femininity is not something that women as a whole chose, it was pushed onto us. That doesn’t make it bad of course, i personally prefer feminine stuff, but it isn't inherent to women, yet a lot of 'progressive' people nowadays acts like it does.

[@annaphallactic]

I'm old, but in high school I got told that I couldn't be a feminist despite listening to shitloads of riot grrrl...because I didn't like Jewel. Sad that this attitude is still out there because it's so idiotic and lacks nuance.

[@thesealky6445]

​@@annaphallacticsame thing as now, just with different names

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

Sometimes it also just also sounds like people saying “shut up and just enjoy what’s being made for you. Don’t be ungrateful about it.” But like was it really “made” for women or is it just being marketed to women? And people put like way more effort into marketing it to be an inescapable part of “girlhood” than like making the product actually be good. Like I have a suspicion that the “Twilight Renaissance” was dreamed up in some publisher’s marketing department boardroom I thought we were all fed up with being blatantly advertised to.

[@MajorOctofuss]

I blame taylor swift. She has a habit of blaming any criticism she gets on misogyny, so of corse her fans started doing it and then everyone else.

[@sofie6524]

Im not sure what you mean by someone not liking femininity, i think that if you actively dislike femininity you need to step back and explore why that is, because feminine qualities are tightly associated with women. Femininity has always been considered worse than masculinity, if youre "feminine", you're presented as weak, whiny, overemotional etc. And youre just supposed to accept that...

[@tapefiend]

Paul Mescal is either super infantilized (uwu my little Irish baby boy) or hyper sexualized (all the people admitting openly online they only watched Normal People for the scenes where his pants are off and he's going full frontal); there is seemingly no inbetween.

[@JayJay-17]

Honestly I feel like that how it is with a lot of “beloved” male (white) celebrities, especially white boys of the month. I noticed these adult men being treated like babies like oh he’s so cute like this isn’t a 30+ man with kids. You can see them being hyper sexualized if you’ve watched any of the so and so reads thirst traps from twitter. Some are so sexual I get uncomfortable and clutch my pearls.

[@carrington2949]

I feel like that is an apt description of his character in Normal People.

[@meghansullivan6812]

Omg there’s full frontal in it?? I never finished the show I was getting too sad and that made me uncomfy lol

[@valorie444]

he is handsome but the way his female fans and male fans treat him is so distasteful its nauseating.

[@syntheticsilkwood2206]

I am not a fan of taylor or gracie I only clicked on this video because of paul And I wasn't familiar with him until I saw after sun which is one of my fav movies and his performance was so phenomenal So when I saw what his fanbase was like it kinda weirded me out lol because he's so talented and people don't appreciate his acting prowess to the level they should

[@weyesbIood]

i really only disliked gracie bc of what she said abt finn wolfhard tbh

[@olayceesay20]

Honestly valid, that was really weire

[@everygoodhanldeistaken]

thats lowkey all i know about her. i just generally associate her with like idk sad girl pheobe bridgers type pop which i really really dont like so i never bothered to learn more edit: i watched the video and whoah i thought she just like called him hot or wtv she actually acknowledged he was a minor and still said she was down in the post thats so weird wtf 💀

[@00pium_kingvampstan]

I still dislike her for it. And also for making terrible music, and trying to be a indie artist but bad.

[@00pium_kingvampstan]

@@everygoodhanldeistaken Phoebe Bridgers is a lot better than Gracie, please do not group them together. 🙏🙏

[@tacoreibrown6560]

exactly like shes so weird for that

[@coolchameleon21]

i have my gripes with fantano, but he frequently gives female written albums high ratings and actually delves into to and understands the concepts on said albums

[@gm.8805]

his reaction to secret of us is justified, but with ttpd, it was just not objective. he went on a rant about how taylor shouldn't say she grew up in an asylum (which was a metaphor for a toxic music industry) and didn't even bother to properly listen to the anthology.

[@Akiono-ih5tl]

​​@@gm.8805 self-proclaim music critic and then missing the whole point of metaphors was so hilarious to watch 😂 he really went off for nothing

[@mauricioaguilera1479]

​@@gm.8805"grew up"? Was she not 17 when her first album appear? Is a wierd way to put it haha "grew up" sounds like when you are a child or something

[@coolchameleon21]

@@gm.8805 tbf i wouldn’t want to listen to that either

[@bonjourista]

Many people have problem with that. It's a valid criticism.. It is kind of icky to use this as a metaphor when you're billionaire and your parents invested into you and your career. Sure she probably has bad stories about it, but from what we know of her that metaphor seems hypocritical. ​@@gm.8805

[@talonthehand]

“If you heard of JJ before Gracie you’re over 50” isn’t the defense against nepotism that poster might think it is. Like. Putting aside even the idea of if it’s wrong or right, that’s the age of record execs. Also I’m not old.

[@night4263]

Nice try but you exposed yourself Unc

[@megan-mr9vk]

crazy considering he directed two of the most recent star wars trilogy films, the last one being in 2019. millennials definitely cared about that, so did a lot of gen z.

[@Lizzie-ve7kt]

I think her sudden blowup does have a lot to do with her connections as a nepo baby. I’m not saying she is or isn’t talented (I’ve never heard one of her songs) but I do definitely think the constant press coverage of her feels very insider driven and not a reflection of an organic growth. This is probably my biggest issues with a lot of nepo babies as they receive a disproportionate amount of mainstream media attention based solely on who they are and not what they’ve actually done, like every single time a nepo baby has a new project, the media jumps on the news immediately regardless of whether it’s truly newsworthy. While self-made artists don’t have that same privilege and instead have to earn any recognition or mention in the press that they receive, which can take years of building up an underground audience, as they have to create their own buzz in other to garner any media attention and yet nepo babies have a built-in advantage since the “buzz” surrounding them and reiterated by media coverage is already there from the start and based off of their name/connections.

[@meghansullivan6812]

Yessss fr. She was one of my eras openers and I was honestly so disappointed lol, I really wanted girl in red instead

[@Jdubayou]

This is exactly why I get so annoyed when people started calling Chappell Roan an industry plant. She's the exact opposite of someone like Gracie Abrams. Born in a small town in Missouri with working class parents that have zero industry connections, had to grind for nearly a decade before seeing any success. Zero chance someone with the talent level of Gracie would have ever been signed to a label if she had the same starting point in life.

[@nnnn-sc2im]

the only thing i know about gracie abrams is the weird post she made about finn wolfhard

[@peggy_bobeggy]

what did the post say?

[@rafaellaisalto]

@@peggy_bobeggy she posted at picture of him from st season 1 (when he was 13/14 yo) captioned "sticky situation: knowing he's 14 but still being incredibly down"

[@maddslovesfictionalcharacters]

i don’t know how anyone can still like her after finding out about it it’s icky

[@peggy_bobeggy]

@@rafaellaisalto 😭girl what. catching a case speedrun fr

[@mikepenwis3362]

sticky situation...............

[@susanalfieri4487]

Kayla: '"If you are completely unfamliar..." Me: "I am completely unfamiliar. Go on, Kayla."

[@dabatman5187]

I pray on Twitters downfall. When all the big companies and creators leave it, the world will finally start to heal

[@meriboberi]

X

[@mysteriousdora6914]

@@meriboberinever calling it that and wont start now

[@sourav5240]

please the most dogshit social media ever..

[@dabatman5187]

@@meriboberi Don’t care

[@kairos-049]

better question... who even is gracie abrams

[@gavin9956]

tea

[@sourav5240]

no becauz this is the only time i even saw her 🤣🤣

[@valorie444]

lol right

[@valorie444]

well i listened to her music (risk specifically) and i do like it, it falls under my type of music i listen to anyways so i may listen to her full album but i will not become a stan.

[@ButIamAStick]

An even better question.. Why is Gracie Abrams?

[@erikdaniels0n]

When I heard Anthony Fantano say that Gracie Abrams’ lead single off her new album sounded like her doing a pretty decent Lorde impression, it completely changed how I listen to her music. I know that may seem shallow, but holy shit, he’s right. Like, I know there’s the whole “cUrSiVe sInGiNg” meme but holy shit, the stuff I’ve heard from Gracie’s new album sounds like Melodrama rejects, and like… I adore Melodrama, I think it’s the besto op album of the 2010s and in the top 5 pop albums of the entire 21st century so far, but if I want to listen to Melodrama, I’ll just…. Listen to Melodrama???? On the whole nepo baby thing, I completely understand where you’re coming from when it comes to people picking and choosing how they use or weaponize the term. Like, prime example, my former friend and I really really love Maya Hawke and we used to call her “our comfort nepo baby”. She’s truly the only nepo baby (that I know of, though I guarantee there’s a lot of others) that I’m truly like a diehard fan of. I do genuinely like Gracie’s music, especially her first album from a couple years ago, but.. idk. Stan culture is fucking exhausting, and I say that as someone who actively is a stan of things

[@YourFriendlyNeighborhoodTaxCol]

Yes, I totally agree with you! There are always going to be trends in the music industry especially cursive and whisper singing, but Jesus when Fantano pointed that out it was clear as day she was copying Lorde. Like most female musicians do the whole cursive singing but this just sounded like a complete rip-off derivative of Lorde

[@JamesLawner]

I didn’t even watch that review, I just heard her song, Us, and immediately noticed the vocals 😂

[@mafxot]

wow I couldn't disagree more! It's weird, when Fantano said that I really thought she doesn't sound like lorde at all. The only similarity may be the vocals, still lorde's vocals are much more raw and gracie's more cursive. And their production couldn't be more diferent, gracie's music is guitar/piano based with an acoustic feel meanwhile lorde has a heavier production and it's way more experimental in general. Idk I really don't see the similarities everyone is talking about!

[@childishgavino22]

Idk I've listened to Melodrama a good amount and Close to You does sound a lot like Lorde (Gracie wrote it when she was like 15 which I think lines up with one of Lorde's high points so it was genuinely probably very influenced by Lorde) but I can't see any of the other songs as Lorde-esque. Maybe I've just been a Gracie fan for longer than Lorde

[@wetsock7790]

Gracie Abrams makes soundtracks for millenial house renovation tiktoks

[@mikaylasmith7600]

This is a roast a kin to 'If she was a spice, she'd be flour'. (This is a compliment)

[@tehejuliannetehe]

you think you sounded so cool saying that lol

[@wetsock7790]

@@tehejuliannetehe not really

[@nai4515]

@@tehejuliannetehe i see you in the comments defending her its okay if you like her music, but not everyone has to be down to listen to a nepo baby zionist making objectively not world-changing music.

[@lycheejellylings]

I feel like you tried to sound niche in a specific and funny way but it didn't really work because her music is very overly targetted towards gen z in a way that millenials might not even know about her

[@EvanSol919]

Nepotism in the arts is nothing new. Both Mozart and Beethovan's fathers were composers. As long as a person is talented I usually don't care.

[@nikibronson133]

It depends because that means they had connections though that plenty of the other talented people have never had. It’s inherently unfair and I’m not saying there’s anything you can do about that. I’m just saying that the person doesn’t have the same Creedence is someone that literally came from a no-name.

[@quangphung3369]

Beeth and Mozart? Cmon, give us a break. Their fathers were talent composers and their sons inherited that in their blood. Gracie’s father is not a musician, he works in music industry and he possessed lots of relationships. Beeth and Mozart are famous for being themself, not for being someone “daughter”

[@EvanSol919]

@quangphung3369 If you're parents were famous and had connections are you saying that you wouldn't use them?

[@megan-mr9vk]

@@quangphung3369you’re clearly romanticizing a time that you have no connection to and comparing it to present day, which you are more likely to view through a critical lens. yes, they were talented composers, but i guarantee you there were others who didn’t have the upbringing to foster the talent nor connections to become so famous during their time and ubiquitous in our current day.

[@Nicolas1246]

​@@nikibronson133ofc it's unfair, but that's the same for billions of people in the world, because they were born in a poor country f.e. Where do you start? I listen to the musican, because I like the music, period.

[@Maddie-Amaesing]

The Sierra Mist bit from 0:21-1:14 needs to be it's own short/tiktok for when pop girlie drama starts up again

[@margoalex.]

as someone who stopped using twitter for my own mental health but still can’t stay away from learning about drama, I need you to know that your channel is like a lifeline for me right now

[@cardiganweather]

I love Gracie's music, but her new album was underwhelming for me. I don't think she'd have the career she has if she weren't JJ Abrams daughter, and I don't think she's doing anything groundbreaking, but I think she does has talent and potential. And hey, she's still really young. Time will tell. Maybe she'll grow as an artist and create something truly great. Maybe she'll fade away into obscurity. In the meantime, I'll be listening and (mostly) enjoying.

[@erikdaniels0n]

I do think the nepo baby thing is a major element of it, but also, her hitching her wagon to the Taylor Swift train also didn’t hurt. I find it funny how when Olivia Rodrigo hitched HER wagon to the Taylor train, a lot of people said she was cloutchasing to the point that Olivia like never mentions Taylor anymore, but when Gracie and to a lesser extent Sabrina Carpenter do it, it’s okay and they can get away with it. Make it make sense, luv

[@Notsomethingtoknow]

@@erikdaniels0n felt like sabrina and gracie had their musical identity before taylor came into the picture though, while olivia was just coming into her identity with drivers license while she was being a swiftie. None of them deserves to be called a clout chaser though, the disrespect-

[@night4263]

Woke up and chose to casually speak facts I see

[@Резеда-в9з]

​​@@erikdaniels0nand Olivia is the most talented and authentic out of all of them. I'm glad that she distanced herself from that situation and completely in her own element now.

[@aliasakinah8768]

same, her album "Minor" and EP "this is what it feels like" are better in my opinion

[@heloisagrassi4781]

I actually feel Gracie's being the internet's punch bag lol! While I'm particularly not a fan of hers, I like some of her music but I honestly have some criticism about her as an artist, so when I found out about the Finn Wolfhard situation, I really dug deep; it wasn't hard to find that she actually apologized and acknowledged how weird and wrong it was multiple times. I'm not one to crucify someone about a post they did years ago - and they apologized for, and I'm specially worried about people claiming that Gracie would be harmful to Paul, who's not only older than her, but a very successful actor in the industry

[@heyitsdaliiii]

THANK YOU

[@tonytheparamorestan]

the Swiftie culture of Taylor-exclusive feminism is really spreading like a disease onto other fandoms what really got me in the case of Fantano is a tweet saying "the fact that he called TTPD performative victimhood and gave it a 2 should've shown everyone he is a misogynist" as if that's not what that album is through and through lmao

[@everygoodhanldeistaken]

bye i thought it was an unspoken rule that we just dont question fantano

[@00pium_kingvampstan]

I feel like the feminism stuff was started by Barbz after like the Megan and Cardi stuff.

[@rachpatch]

we don't even know Taylor how we can't belittle her trauma just because it seems false to us? he is a critic, he should be critical of her music, lyricism, production whatever. She has been in the industry for over ten years now if she wants to write about how it affects her mental health, who are you and I to deny that? He can be critical of her music but what she feels and writes about is not for him to diminish.

[@everygoodhanldeistaken]

@@rachpatch he can say if the lyrics dont feel authentic and feel performative and self victimizing which is a valid criticism

[@tonytheparamorestan]

@@rachpatch "my boyfriend's selfish depression is getting in the way of me getting attention from him" and "boo hoo my fans criticise me for dating a misogynistic racist" is not something that I feel like validating sorry not fucking sorry

[@jorgevladimirgarciaperez1417]

everything i learned about gracie abrams i learned against my will

[@lizziewhitehead5821]

I'm pretty sure nobody forced you to watch this video

[@jorgevladimirgarciaperez1417]

@@lizziewhitehead5821 untrue. JJ Abrams literally held me at gunpoint.

[@beingthisyoungisart13]

Aw, poor you. Not like you had any control clicking on this video and sitting through the entire thing 😂

[@jorgevladimirgarciaperez1417]

@@beingthisyoungisart13 LITERALLY THANKS FOR RELATING 🙏🙏🙏

[@oogie_boogie101]

"Yes Kayla says" we all say in unison.

[@jamiekelly3113]

I couldn’t agree more

[@cherryblossommoon.]

d1 glazer

[@Kalitayy]

Making music is the least harmful thing that a kid of a multimillionaire/billionaire can do. I'd rather nepo babies to make tons of mid albums than becoming the mogul of an oil company or a CEO of some unnecessary tech startup exploiting the working class.

[@iain9757]

I’d rather they create a stop motion production company like Laika

[@Kalitayy]

@@iain9757that's the best case scenario lmao. But we can't be too optimistic these days

[@sapphic-emi]

thank you for delving into the stupidest parts of the internet and explaining it 😭 /gen

[@mynciee]

I always have to remind myself to not let "nepo baby" cloud my critique of someone's art. I'm not always successful. I'm having a hard time not thinking of Gracie Abrams as a nepo baby because in 2024 Pop Girl Summer, she doesn't stand out. It's hard not to think "this person had significant advantages another person making the same music wouldn't" when I saw Gracie Abrams' album suggested to me on the Spotify homepage with her TSwift feature.

[@jaiweenie]

It depends who I discover first, the artist or their famous parent. For Gracie, I heard her name around a couple of times but never really knew who she was until I made it my homework to listen to some of her stuff since she was opening for my stop at the eras tour. By total coincidence, at the same time I was starting to get into lost, and I found out about jj Abrams. Put two and two together and I said yup this girl had some good support growing up. Good for her tho. Since then every time she's brought up I'm like 'oh, lost guy's daughter'. Either way, I guess my indifference is also because I was never able to connect to her music or lyrics. She's a decent performer and put on a pretty good show at my city, but her music just isn't my thing I guess. She seems like she has potential tho

[@mariakarolina7753]

@@jaiweenie In my case, I've known of JJ Abrams for a long time, and when I found out about Gracie I didn't make the connection because that's a pretty common last name, I only found out through twitter late last year. But regardless, all connections in the world aren't going to work if the product isn't relatively good, and I believe it is. Nothing great, nothing awful, mid but enjoyable to me. I'd say her connection to Taylor has helped even more, that's the only reason I listened to her (cute yet nothing special) new album.

[@turtletcp1598]

She’s a little weird for the things she said about Finn Wolfhard

[@tencelTechnologist]

they’re 2 years apart, basically the same age

[@bananabreadandmilk]

​@@tencelTechnologistThey have a four year difference if I'm not wrong and he was 14 She was 18, If it wasn't wrong and such a big deal why did she apologize?

[@yoshikitte]

⁠@@tencelTechnologisttheir ages at the time were freshman and senior/graduated ages. please be so serious rn

[@tencelTechnologist]

@@yoshikitte lots of freshman/seniors dated when I was in hs. they were both teens so I don't see the issue. They were born in 1999 and 2002 so they would have been in hs at the same time if they didn't already have jobs.

[@mauricioaguilera1479]

​@@tencelTechnologistwierd people

[@nicolasf7243]

I think if you don’t believe Gracie’s success is directly correlated to who her father is, you’re being extremely facetious. The music is fine, I like some of her previous stuff and think this album is mid if not below average. But considering how insanely difficult it currently is to break through in the music industry, mid is not getting the visibility Gracie gets. At all. It’s okay if you enjoy the music, nepotism doesn’t equal bad, but it’s okay to have some awareness and admit that you only know who this girl is because of her father. And I don’t mean you know who her dad is so you know who she is (because I know people will think thats what I mean) but how much she has been promoted and the opportunities she has gotten are due to her father.

[@aashu1512]

Right!!!

[@alfiegetsthemunchies77]

to be fair either i’m too young to know who her father is or i’m just not into star wars but otherwise agree with all your points

[@shadyjoanneboots]

Tbh I always thought Gracie Abrams and Maisie Peters were the same person

[@iwouldgiveyouthemoon_]

lmao their names are so similar. maisie's a much more energetic artist and also not a nepo baby tho so i love her more

[@katgreer6113]

Me too.

[@tehejuliannetehe]

i love both tbh

[@tarathoughts13]

I also preferred Maisie peters bc her music has so much personality imo

[@Dontbootit]

Okay but Taylor trying to help her out and even bring her out to perform “Us” to a mild reception and Taylor telling the crowd to cheer for her again, and the song still flopped

[@jellytwins1018]

Tbf the song had come out like a day before they performed it, plus it was in the UK not in the US. But yeah, not exactly big hit

[@GrapefruitPizza]

Wdym flopped? She's #1 in UK and #2 in US

[@quangphung3369]

@@GrapefruitPizzathe song, not album/LP. You could manipulate to sell your copies LP by many ways but it’s not easy that way for the singles.

[@Dontbootit]

@@quangphung3369Taylor Swift being featured is the riggamorris

[@cherryblossommoon.]

THE SONG DID NOT FLOP HELLO? U TRY MAKING A SONG WITH TAYLOR SWIFT

[@quenepacrossing4675]

“And then i explain all of this to for money!” - lmao you sure do! it’s been a hot minute since i choked on my water from laughing.

[@lorriechristian7164]

"And then I explain all of it to you for money" and the cycle never dies 😄

[@laincoubert7236]

that part of the cycle i'm actually down for 😂

[@railehtdoe2907]

You can’t convince me that Taylor and Gracie aren’t barnacles on each other’s asses-Gracie wants instant fame in the music industry to prove she’s not a flop nepo baby while Taylor wants to make as many connections as possible in the film industry because she wants to get an Oscar whether it’s for being in films or making music for films as long as she gets to take home that naked little gold man.

[@Jdubayou]

That's exactly what I think it is. Hasn't Taylor been saying she wants to direct a feature length film? If so it's very obvious she is bringing up Gracie as a favor to JJ Abrams so he will owe her when she needs it.

[@JamesLawner]

@@Jdubayou Taylor already signed on with Searchlight Pictures to make her feature debut.

[@cherryblossommoon.]

gracie didn’t want instant fame - i’ve been a fan of her for FIVE years and she didn’t even want fame. fame chased her. she didn’t expect to blow up.

[@madhatter4129]

why are you such a hater damn, chill it's not that deep😂 lowkey embarassing

[@desmondhume]

that fiona commenter was so right. his interpretation of newspaper was genuinely so wrong LOL

[@kingalyssa]

so many things made me laugh: sierra mist, only knowing who JJ Abrams is if you're over 50, you and your partner's lil side chat at the end (it was soo cute)

[@yummiburritobowl]

“the secret of us” is reallllly not that good, literally “good riddance” was better, it honestly seems like a regression to me. :3

[@rayeeiffel480]

Yeah I preferred good riddance and this is what it feels like as well as minor. The secret of us is my least favorite of hers.

[@HaiItsAngle]

In regards to Stan twitter/culture, I believe you summed it up pretty well. I personally loved TTPD and understood others didn’t. Instead of getting upset or ranting on twitter (like many chronically online Swifties) I just choose to enjoy the music and be happy. And thus, the album has been #1 on the Billboard Hot 200 for several weeks now. But that wasn’t due to people being toxic online, just people vibing and listening. Life is too short to get mad about people not liking what you like. That goes for anything.

[@xoxofinalgirl]

Lovebomb Desert Storm gonna be my debut album title

[@anidomecq]

Excellent video. I especially like your ability to rise above situations and view them almost in retrospect even as they're currently happening. keep it up Kayla!

[@TheBlackEternalWings]

I discovered Gracie before her connections to Taylor (not a Swiftie or an Olivia stan just for the record) and without realizing her connection to her dad; I just happened to find her early stuff on either KZbin or Spotify and thought it was pleasant. That's how I find all music I like, if I like it, I like it; that's it. I won't deny that KZbin and Spotify have their algorithms and will influence what an individual clicks on beyond that, but I digress.

[@Squadia]

“Gracie Abrams? I’ve heard of that last name before I feel like” was my only thought clicking on this video. Thank you Kayla for culturing me

[@oliviajayward]

Paul is literally a 28 year old man, he doesn’t need to be ‘babied’ 😭

[@arubinojr5670]

The nepo baby stuff really hit the ground with a thundering crash because it was just "Hey, did you know that nepo baby is a nepo baby?" over and over again, but of course xitter famously melts brains into slag so it kept on going.

[@liamwhite1719]

the opening monologue was so real lol

[@seanian8986]

I stopped caring about nepotism about a decade ago. It's not a guarantee of success

[@Jdubayou]

No but it's annoying when someone like Gracie Abrams who makes completely bland and uninteresting music is only able to become famous because of their family. There's zero chance someone of her talent level would be able to organically rise to the level of success she is currently having.

[@seanian8986]

​@Jdubayou I agree the exposure is hard to compete with

[@Starbuxlvr1313]

I have slowly added Gracie into my daily listens and I love her and her music!

[@meagtaylor3392]

I only became aware of her because I saw her perform on The Today Show while in the hospital. I wasn't impressed tbh. She seemed like a bootleg Taylor Swift and I like Taylor's music (though I wouldn't call myself a Swiftie.)

[@childishgavino22]

I've personally been a fan of Gracie Abrams since March of 2020. I found the song 21 through my spotify recommended, which looking back I'm sure got to me because she had connections to get her songs pushed on spotify in some way, but I don't really care because her connections got her music to me and I love it, and I have always loved it purely from the music itself because that is how I found her. I do understand the feeling that her high level of success recently is unfair because she had connections to give her incredible boosts, but I personally think she deserves her success at least to some extent because I find her music to be insanely good. This wouldn't happen for me if just any person's music or even just any talented person's music was pushed at me, and based on how diehard the gracie fanbase seems to be I'm sure there are many others that feel the same way. I haven't really heard the side of people saying you're a mysoginist if you don't like her before this but seeing that in this video, that is crazy lol like you can dislike music made by a women without being a mysoginist obviously. To give some defense to Gracie that isn't just "if you don't like her you don't understand" or "you hate women", I find her lyrics to be a lot more reflective and accountable than Taylor Swift's in general, so I do think she has a valuable uniqueness to her art and calling her a Taylor Swift ripoff doesn't feel fair in my eyes (I am a Taylor Swift fan too though). I will of course admit that Gracie is a ~similar~ artist to Taylor Swift because she obviously is for many reasons, but "ripoff" is a bit excessive in my eyes and I think even despite touring with Taylor and featuring Taylor on "us." and having the same producer, she does enough differently to be unique from Taylor. I also find it interesting that people compare Gracie's album to The Tortured Poet's Department, because I personally don't see much connection and think TTPD was pretty bad and dull but that The Secret of Us was fresh and interesting. The lyric writing on the Secret of Us feels very unique, ex. "hope that you don't send someone to kill me" and "let on the horn to prove that it haunts me" in I love you I'm sorry, where the lyrics in TTPD often feel overdone or cringey. I really can't see how the person who wrote folklore and evermore wrote TTPD lol

[@coryz2822]

genuinely and not even to be mean to Gracie Abrams, this video is literally only the second time I’ve heard of her. She’s just not the style of music getting pushed to me by my algorithm. I can guarantee that Anthony Fantano and his ilk only know her because they seek out and listen to as many new releases from as many artists as possible because that’s their job. I think the thing with the current music scene and algorithms is that every artist feels like a Lady Gaga or Madonna or Beyoncé or Rihanna level of cultural omnipresence because you’re seeing millions of other fans. Before the internet when an artist had millions of fans, it meant that their fame was wide spread, that 100s of millions of people had heard of them and 1% were die hard devotees. But now it’s easy to push someone exclusively to the niche millions of people who are most likely to like them and not bother with the people who won’t. Now if you’re not a fan it’s probably not because you’re a hater, it’s probably because you literally have never heard of the person. I think this is the real heart of the stan anger. When you believe something is so vastly and profoundly omni significant and someone else questions that significance, you get angry. It’s a similar psychology to religion and politics. It’s a different kind of anger than when you encounter someone who’s just a hater of your fave. To Anthony Fantano, she’s just another filler artist in the spotify catalogue.

[@esraylmaz49]

Not even a moment I feel regret for leaving Twitter for good. Stans for women pop singers throwing the term misogny to everytime a critism appears actually so harmful for the fight against real misogny. Zillenials ungrounded, empty, one-sided wokeness is so exhausting. This girl is a nepo baby. She mimics Lorde and Taylor swift. Anyone have access to her means sure can do pretty much the same.I remember even me feeling traumatized over a pe** post about Finn didnt know it was her. Thanks for the information.

[@madeleinewitt9901]

I’m literally one second in and your side profile is so pretty????

[@xAmerhax]

i only know her for saying 14 yr old finn wolfhard could get it

[@seanian8986]

When she was 17 tho

[@katgreer6113]

Get what?

[@xoch1717]

@@seanian8986she was 18 because the picture of finn is from season 2 which was released October 2017 and she was born September 1999. People would definitely be more grossed out if it were a man that’s a college freshman thirsting over a 13/14 yr old girl.

[@devonmunn5728]

When it got to Paul Mescal i was like "who?"

[@josefer-sw9xh]

Its so funny how nobody can make music this days without a little feud or scandal or hate

[@plushstrawberryfrog]

i feel blessed to not even know about her. but i’m not on twitter

[@rodrigoandrade256]

I don't and will never have the ability to understand this blind defense of art by stans. When I like something I want it to be good and I'll be the one who'll be disappointed when it's not. These people instead go the opposite direction and put SO MUCH EFFORT into defending bad things made by the people they like. It's totally counter intuitive.

[@Jdubayou]

Them defending that bad art also just encourages the artist to make more bad art because they know they can get away with it.

[@joshuaalvarez1993]

No one is afraid of her and her sterile music

[@chelmrtz]

I like what I like and I don’t like what I don’t like. I don’t care if someone else likes or doesn’t like the things I like or don’t like. And vice versa: my like or dislike of something should not matter to you and shouldn’t impact your like or dislike of things. I don’t understand why this is hard to understand

[@Kevin-rg3yc]

I feel a more better and nuanced discourse on Anthony Fantano is his review on black music like R&B and hip hop music, specifically how misinformed he can be on them and view them though the lens of white male dominated alternative rock music since he’s a bigger and more informed fan of that genre. Never forget back in 2017 when he called one of rapper wale’s song a cash grab attempt at the caribbean dancehall wave when it was actually a afro-beat based song and it worst bc wale is a Nigerian American who’s incorporate afro beat prior to the 2017 song he reviewed. I feel there’s more nuanced to that discourse than him being misogynistic to any female artist I do there’s validity to it especially that misinformed Fiona apple review but not all the time

[@carolitoffana]

Thank you!

[@carolitoffana]

@asmellyone a bad take with no substance is not a "review", he didn't knew half of the references in Kendricks disses 😅

[@nai4515]

i feel like since then though Fantano has definitely immersed himself more into R&B and hip hop culture and stopped the "alternative rock white guy" skepticism and condescending nature. i mean 2017 was 7 years ago at this point.

[@Kevin-rg3yc]

⁠@@nai4515the issue doe is he still keeps those standards originated from the white male alternative rock music to his entrance to hip hop and R&B the wale situation was only incident of many I mentioned like there’s his reviews of solange’s when I get home from 2019, Isaiah Rashad’s the house is burning from 2021 even Joey badass called him out for how ill-informed his review on his album 2000 when Antony interviewed him back in 2022, that’s why I mentioned it bc even with him being more into he’s just upholding all of those rockiest views

[@riyazuo]

I love this album, but I also love Tortured (wc some people don't like) and i also love Solar Power (wc most people don't like). I also understand where people are coming from where they criticize an album based on the person and not the body of work. Tho I'm seeing a trend of albums like Future Nostalgia, Renaissance, Brat, which people love so much but I couldn't get into so it's obvious it's just difference in taste and sonic preferences and seems like pop fans are splitting more heavily now. I think, for me, Gracie's success has more to do with her proximity to names like Olivia and Taylor. A nepo friend. Being a nepo baby can only get you so far esp in music which is more competitive now, not everyone relying on radio, singles, and labels. Being linked to TS and OR gave her that status of being mainstream Pop Singer/Songwriter to look out for. Plus I'm not American so JJ Abrams isn't a person I'm familiar with as i only know about stars wars bc of pop culture references.

[@aletamagliocchetti1773]

can you do a video on why paul is so popular? i dont go on social media often but whenever i hear about him, its just people incoherently losing it over him

[@kuroneco-j4n]

Sierra Mist would actually be an insanely good artist name like lets talk about that for a minute

[@jenanacremepie]

The comment on fantano's FTBC review is so funny when you know he gave it a 7 and liked it quite a lot, like it's pretty unwarranted in that context

[@MaryElizabeth611]

Here's my take on Hollywood nepotism that nobody asked for, lol: I think nepotism is an inevitable thing in basically any industry, but it's vitally important for nepo babies to recognize their privilege. Even if they weren't using their parent's names to get jobs/opportunities, growing up rich and with industry connections is an enormous advantage that so many people aren't afforded. I don't know why it's so hard for some nepo babies to acknowledge that.

[@daphneblake13]

Fun fact: JJ Abrams also created the late 90s tv show Felicity.

[@funeralpyreee]

the opening is literally me rn bc i’m at work with the worst headache ever 💔💔

[@edsterrock]

9:49 thank you! I feel like the way people have been talking about Paul Mescal online has been really weird. No wonder his instagram has remained private for the past year.

[@CocoonMasterBrendan]

I hadn't even heard of Gracie Abrams until recently, and now I feel like she's suddenly everywhere 😂 Same goes for Chappell Roan

[@ITSMETHESHEEP]

Chappell is much more popular than Gracie atm

[@sugarsailors.5939]

@ITSMETHESHEEP and more interesting and arguably (though not really arguably) better /hj

[@crumblingphilosophy9323]

​@@ITSMETHESHEEP and more talented.

[@iwouldgiveyouthemoon_]

chappell is so much better than gracie in quite literally every way

[@dhsf5937]

​@@ITSMETHESHEEPBut more annoying.

[@filipeeeeeeeee5615]

I agree wholeheartedly with Anthony... And I am gay man who almost solely listen to female musitians since I was a child... (Inc. Taylor). This "If you don't like X you are misogynistic" is lame like, sometimes people will listen to a song/album and will not like it, for the sound of it alone. And in the case of Gracie, people knowing her connections makes this situation worst because people who didn't like the album (which is most people) will think "wow, a smaller more talented musitian would never get to work with those producers so early in their carrers.. and here Gracie is.." and I think it's completly normal to be upset with injustices like that.

[@amattyg]

I love the point you made about Fantano. I'm glad I left Twitter because I fed into so much toxicity. I always go by the motto, judge someone by their character not their tastes or hobbies.

[@miki_lip]

i am a gracie abrams stan and i think this video was very eye-opening

[@Poppyskiss]

I hate the internet

[@egghead_felix]

“If you don’t like their music you’re a misogynist.” I cringe so hard when I hear this argument. I think at this point I’ve mostly moved past my angsty singer songwriter girl pop phase. Like I’m just not there in my life and a lot of other people aren’t. But saying they’re misogynistic because they don’t like Gracie Abrams or Laufey (I’ve heard it 💀) OR I’ve heard people say “if you’re a man (over 25) who likes xyz female artist then you should stop because she’s not for you.” MUSIC IS FOR EVERYONE. I REPEAT. MUSIC. IS. FOR. EVERYONE.

[@KristianC1994]

I've never heard that over-25 man argument before but I'd be pretty screwed in that case given I'm engaged to a massive Swiftie. Like what am I supposed to do, actively force myself to dislike an artist I hear all the time and genuinely enjoy some of the songs of? Cos then I'm sure I'd be called a misogynist by the internet and, more importantly, also really upset my fiancée...

[@JamesLawner]

Am I the only one who thinks Gracie Abrams sounds like Lorde? I think we, as a society, need to speak out against the “Indie Girl” voice. That Vine about the guy doing the bit about an Indie Girl giving a tour of her kitchen was more accurate than we realized 😂😭

[@BlackXSunlight]

Stan culture in general is really messing with people's heads, and there's a relationship between celebrity worship and low intelligence + emotional regulation. I'm still, to this day, getting replies attacking me for a comment from your Camila video, because some people cannot be normal. I'm so over it. If someone can't just like something without making it their identity, they genuinely need counseling and psychiatric help.

[@cakesandconverse]

i actually found your comment interesting. implying that stan culture is related to low stupidity…. well that one’s new. i’m sorry that people have been attacking you because of a comment you made. i also couldn’t help but wonder what was meant by your last sentence.

[@BlackXSunlight]

@@cakesandconverse I think a lot of people have really forgotten what a stan is and where that term came from. A stan was never a good thing, but everything has to be wrung through the ringer of irony until it’s squeezed of all meaning and now people willingly refers to themselves as something that meant a dangerous stalker. And I absolutely think that if someone is angry enough bc someone else doesn’t like Nicki Minaj (or, worse, brings up Nicki’s attack on her husband’s underaged victims) that they would dox the person or actually leave a note on their front door warning them not to “mess with the Barbz” then they do indeed need psychiatric help. When someone feels personally attacked because others don’t hold a thing they like in the same esteem, that thing has become a part of their identity. There is nothing healthy about that.

[@themoley91]

People just need to accept there's nepotism in every industry. How many doctors, teachers, mechanics etc do you know who went into it because that's what their parents did? Or people who inherit a family business? As someone who works behind the scenes in the media industry, I'm open about the fact that my parents were in the business too. I grew up in that environment, I liked it, I went into it myself, in my case the only thing they ever helped me with was finding an internship one summer when I was in uni, the rest of my career I built completely on my own. I imagine a lot of people feel that way about their family's trade. I'm cool with "nepo babies" as long as they're actually talented and can admit they had an easier time than someone who started from nothing. And the ones who aren't talented don't tend to stick around very long.

[@night4263]

People keep forgetting that Miley Cyrus is a nepo baby. I think an artist who makes good music is fine even if they are a nepo baby. That said, everyone's taste differs. So it's reasonable for someone to dislike her songs and attribute her success to nepotism. I like Gracie, I don't like this album because it was boring and bland. I personally think her previous EPs and Album have better songs than The Secret of Us. This is an album where I think she's genuinely TRYING to sound like Taylor Swift IMO. I don't think it works, definitely think she'll keep improving though.

[@whatcanidooo]

Idk I dislike her, I have to listen to her at work cause my coworkers play her stuff but none of the songs ever stand out they are all very same-y, and then people on the internet try to make out like she’s underrated

[@TexasPoonTappa11]

Finally a comprehensive explanation of her I can genuinely watch through and learn more from! I am not being advertised her content and have no interest in seeking it out so this made me understand it all now. Thank you for your service as always ❤️

[@lucidreams101]

you dont understand, telling ppl w different opinions to eat shit and die, is just too cathartic i could never give it up

[@juonithzramos1089]

Literally had no idea who Gracie Abrams was this morning, went to work and my friend introduced me to her music (her new album) It was...okay. Kinda sad girl autumn porn and I wasn't that into it, but I could see why she liked it.

[@EpcotUsedtoBeCool]

I got recommended this video because I’m a fan of Gracie Abrams before the current album? I didn’t even know she had a new album. I just like her older song Mess It Up. Under 50 for reference.

[@amandaleighplans]

This intro just killed me lmaooo why is that so true 😭 I love Gracie’s music, I’m a sad girl acoustic kind of person so when I found it in 2022 I loved it and I’ve been listening ever since. I didn’t find out until 2023 that she was related to JJ Abrams! So I loved it just thinking she was some random normie. Idc who people are I listen to music I like. Anyways Stan culture is so psychotic lmao on all fronts

[@AgonyInk]

I really like Gracie’s music, this new album really resonated with me and regardless of where she came from, I think there’s value in what she has to offer artistically - liked the video but also there’s like over 50% filler meat explaining how people act online and 20% controversy and lore

[@jacky4946]

I started to listen her music and … I love it

[@feliciapham1063]

I liked the album (not a swiftie and havent listened to poet's department) but if other people find it meh it's fine we all have different tastes and musical eras.

[@honoluluw]

that intro is a 10/10

[@extremelycoolandpretty]

The finn wolfhard ig story haunts me at night. Her fans will use feminism to their advantage but won't recognize her weird and disgusting behaviour towards a kid. Anyone over 18 knows damn well that 18 is old enough to know decency.

[@alizonrodriguez]

I think there is a huge difference between disliking something and giving hate to something, if someone doesn’t or does like something that is fine, cause as humans we all have different opinions, but hate is not something that should be happening on social media, even tho it happens every single day, these are still people, people who make mistakes, who have a life and family, they are people like everyone. Yet we still choose to talk about them like they are not, like if they were to watch it, it wouldn’t hurt them. What does that say about social media platforms? About people?

[@jamiekelly3113]

my neighbors were Abrams and their kids were creeps too. idk maybe it’s in the name and predestination

[@mattlucas4188]

see i agree with stan twitter needs to just not take things so seriously and let things go - but in the same regard, people need to stop being so so negative and feeling so entitled to share such a negative opinion for a reaction. it gets to the point where it’s clear that people share exaggerated negative opinions just to get a reaction or hurt people and i feel both parties are to blame - and honestly just need to chill, it’s never that serious

[@albertqhumperdinck]

Superb intro, truly

[@thereyofwater]

As someone who is a big fan of Taylor Swift and a big fan of J.J. Abrams, Gracie Abrams has rarely crossed my mind. I sometimes forget she's Abrams' daughter until I look at her face and go "Oh yeah, she has the same goofy smile he does!" Had no idea she and Paul Mescal were even connected. Shows how much I miss out on. Lol

[@maaars-lc6og]

I think it's interesting how people attribute her *current* success solely to her father considering she's been making music for years and yet this is first time she's actually getting mainstream attention. Idk I guess her nepotism privilege took a while to kick in. Also if you're like me, not American and have never watched Star Wars, it is very much possible to know Gracie but not know that she's related to JJ Abrams. Like, isn't Abrams a common last name in English speaking countries? Like, mine is extremely common in several countries/languages and yet I'm not related to every single person who shares it. Apart from her very inappropriate post about that actor, all these other "controversies/scandals" just seem very unserious to me. *'She's a nepo baby'* ok, isn't most of Hollywood? *'Spotify keeps promoting her new album'* yeah, bc she has a song w/ Taylor Swift, arguably the biggest pop girl of the moment, ofc streaming platforms are going to push it. How is it her fault? *'Her music is mid'* ok. no ones forcing you to listen. *'She's only getting attention bc of Taylor'* she opened some of Taylor's huge shows, ofc that's gotten her attention. Isn't that the point of opening acts? And they've been friends for several years, it's not her problem that non-fans are just now finding out about it. I watched this video to try to understand why some ppl dislike her sm and most of it is just silly. I do agree with a lot of your comments on fandom, especially on twitter.

[@pandemelocoton9685]

i was today years old when i learned who Gracie Abrams is Edit: i was today years old when i learned that JJ Abrams has a daughter

[@witchywoman2008]

God you’re intro is so real it made me cringe a bit. I never have a damn clue what is going on anymore.

[@laincoubert7236]

i just learned about gracie abrams and still to this day don't what paul mescal even does lol

[@LostCommenter7]

stan twitter moralizing critique against their faves has hampered art criticism. no one should be afraid of being called sexist for not liking album theneedledrop isn't sexist for disliking Fiona or Grace, he's sexist for disliking Ultraviolence/jk

[@ivyfuss3350]

ngl I'm not a huge Gracie fan but I have to agree with those comments about no one knowing her dad under the age of 50 (unless you're a star wars nerd, clearly).