Why Genshin Impact Won't Last (from an addicted player)

Genshin Impact is getting worse. Random pulls, team metas, Adventure Ranks, these all contribute to a bigger issue. And no amount of guides, free primogems, and ideal team comps will solve the flaws in the game.
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Intro
0:53 Characters
3:23 Difficulty
8:28 Artifacts
12:42 Scaling
17:06 Timed Events
19:35 small things
21:44 Wrap-up
22:27 Outro
Some footage from:
老泡来了 (Hu Tao 4mil damage: www.bilibili.c...)
SourGrips (Venti meets La Signora: • Genshin Impact | La Si... )
Xeno Archive (Zhongli gives his gnosis: • Video )
CGInferno (Yae gave up Ei's gnosis: • Genshin Impact - Yae M... )
akron (AR 55: • AR 55. )
Tenha (Childe Oneshot: • CHILDE 1 SHOTS BOSSES ... )
LyurGG (Thoma Execution: • Video )
Faiz Aqil (Inazuma War Cutscene: • Inazuma's War Cutscene... )
GratisStatus (Lvl 1 Yanfei doing damage: • if you max out a level... )
小忍小忍创可贴 (AR 60: www.bilibili.c...)
Ariobot Gaming (Unreconciled Stars cutscenes: • All Scaramouche Cutsce... )
ThisisHori (Albedo Event cutscenes: • ALL CUTSCENES From Sha... )
noumenon (Windblume cutscenes: • Genshin Impact | Windb... )
WoW Quests (Floral Courtyard gameplay: • The Floral Courtyard P... )
(Flameplume Starflowers gameplay: • All 6 Flameplume Starf... )
Streetwise Rhapsody (Meeting Scaramouche in Inazuma: • Video )
Transparent Character Renders from: DEG5270 (www.deviantart...)
Music Used:
Virbank City - Pokemon Black 2 & White 2
Let's Go Crimson Knight! - Genshin Impact
National Park - Remix by Mewmore ( • Mewmore // National Pa... )
Humilau City - Pokemon Black 2 & White 2
Driftveil City - Pokemon Black & White
Accumula Town - Pokemon Black & White
Slumbering Weald - Pokemon Sword & Shield
Samurai's Sorrow - Genshin Impact
(I like Pokemon music, what can I say?)

[@glencoconut]

It's interesting because on the one hand, if you aren't keeping up it becomes overwhelming, but if you ARE keeping up it ends up being boring and you run out of content to exhaust waiting for the next update.

[@era2s]

the main reason is people playing 24/7 rushing and crashing through content then demanding for more IMMEDIATELY, I play a LOT ALOT like 10+ hrs a day? but i still havent done a lot of content, hell my liyue is not even 100 exploration, its probably just a matter of understanding genshin is a casual game

[@Lackofstyle]

@@era2s Yeah the the issue is the game wants you to rush. Most major events are locked to you having completed whatever the current story quest are, so when start as a new player the game basically forces you to burn through the story as quickly as possible or you won't be able to play the current of future events This is especially bad since like he said, major story events happen within these events

[@princen632]

@@Lackofstyle they actually solved it by making the event have an early access option where you won't need to do a story quest but they also warned you about spoilers or the story not making sense if you haven't done the required story quest. Example is the perilous trail event where you meet Itto without unlocking inazuma first.

[@DreamyAileen]

The reason is because a significant portion of new content every month is limited-time content that is increasingly being gated behind certain quests. So for players who aren't caught up with the story (either because they're new or because they just don't have that much free time), there's a big rush to complete all the story quests in time for the event.

[@BlackGateofMordor]

@@DreamyAileen Pretty much every event since 2.0 has wanted you to have done enough of the Inazuma archon quest to get off Ritou, that's it. Any time there's a story quest involved the AR requirement has been dropped to ~AR28.

[@10Caramella]

Lmao I remember seeing these clips of Genshin quests on KZbin and thinking: "wooooow this quest looks so cool, I'm not gonna spoil it so I have the fun of playing through it myself!". Only after completing all of the archon and story quests did I realize, that those cool clips I had seen, were in fact from limited time story events and that I would never have the enjoinment of experiencing them firsthand. My disappointment was immense indeed.

[@shavonnelynch6508]

yes this! i started playing 2 months ago and saw a clip of the lantern rite event and thought it looked so cool. i couldn't wait to get to that part in the story... yeah my bubble got bursted when i found out it was a limited time event.

[@underestimated9312]

Oh yes! I ended up taking a break from Genshin a while ago and now I regret it cause I missed the lantern rite and the recent xiao event cause it was making me complete all this other quests and stuff. I saw so much stuff online about it and i was ushajdhsjzh 🥹

[@nik021298]

@@shavonnelynch6508 look at the bright side. The lantern rite is one of the few events that, while the story might change, will constantly repeat on a yearly basis. Next year Yelan and Inazuma characters will probably participate in it. I feel there are other events that hurt a little more to have missed.

[@irenegyu7949]

not me panicking thought that Yanfei, Xiao, Yelan, Itto quest in the chasm is the time limited also, so I decided to watch some people played it. Then I realized, that quest can be permanent after the event. OH GOD. I already got spoiled. I am a new player also.

[@chockitkat3776]

Yes. I didn't play genshin when it was released, so I didn't get to play the first ALbedo and Scaramouche event. I missed the lantern rite and didn't know how to play events before so I missed out on getting skins too, and it's so frustrating honestly

[@ItssMelissa]

I started playing in December 2021 and personally I thought the smartest way to go about timed events would’ve been for them to remain timed but not according to real time- rather you unlock them when you reach the point in the game where that event’s information becomes important and relevant, like you access lantern rite when you finish the Liyue Archon quest, you get access to Albedo’s events after you’ve finished Eula and Albedo’s story quests and Bennett’s hangout. That would’ve been so much smarter so players would still be put on a time limit but they’d actually be able to PLAY the timed content the Genshin programmers worked so hard to make ** the replies added the idea that events should be downloadable so when you’re done you can delete them and they won’t take up space or once the time limit is up they delete themselves and those are ideal ideas as well

[@lenahuynh2519]

i really like this idea! but im crying abt the higher amount of storage genshin would take compared to now

[@vvvebry]

thats a pretty good idea but i think one of the reason why there are time gated events is because of the usage of memory. with every new patch update they removed some of the old game data in exchange of some texts in archive for important events. even doing that genshin is almost 100gb in size in pc, around 20ish gb in mobile iirc. our devices are going to blow up by Khaerin'ah patch.

[@oBUNo]

Yo that's genious!

[@princen632]

I really like this idea and also I would suggest to have the free weapons they give in events as permanent too but only obtained if you finish a world quest or a reward for reaching certain level from those collectibles you offer like the occulus.

[@oldestdreamja]

@@lenahuynh2519 there's a good solution for this- one I've heard that will be in 2.8. it's just automatic deletion of the finished story/archon/world quests once it's done. especially the voice files. download eveything, till a certain point where we have to download and delete stuff, and vice versa.

[@Felix-bj3rc]

this video made me realise that leveling and comissions don't actually have to be boring chores but could be fun if designed differently

[@lostconciousness4255]

commissions are the bottom of the barrell trash tier content that you are forced to participate in to reach certain regions that are locked behind AR (which is just another time-gate content because you can only level so much in a day)

[@maui-chan9704]

I purposely avoid commissions that take so much time like npc commissions and so far it has been fun for me. It doesn't feel like a chore that much and it's been fun. A game really does feel fun when youre not forced or pressured to play it

[@ghpppst]

I feel like Sumeru commissions are actually the most fun ones out of all the regions! There's mushroom wacking, floating jellyfeesh thing, finding a cat, jumping on mushrooms and some I haven't come across yet but there's also those combat comms which aren't really an issue.

[@narius_jaden215]

Nothing that has to be done daily over and over again can retain fun imho. It can start out that way but it WILL become annoying.

[@facelesssmoon9765]

@@lostconciousness4255 I hate ascension quests so fucking badly. They give me headaches because half ways through I realize all my exp is way over count and I still need to level so I have to level characters and try to do the quest even if I’m severely limited/lacking. Do not even get me started on how boring they are-

[@phoenix_13]

Honestly, the main issue for me, in particular, is just many of the things not feeling fun or enjoyable. Like commissions being the same thing over and over, beating bosses feeling like mind-numbing tasks, and farming talent/ascension/weapon materials being flat-out boring. I don't even want to play the game anymore sometimes because everything feels like a chore and less like a game that I want to play and have fun. I have tons of content to cover as far as quests and even progressing in general game mechanics goes, but it's just not the fun I had at the very beginning when it felt more like a leisurely fun experience where I wanted to invest in absolutely everything.

[@tofire2261]

honestly same. somewhere down the line genshin turned into a repetitive boring mess

[@phoenix_13]

@@tofire2261 agreed

[@yahia5476]

Even newer world quests are just boring, go talk to this random npc, listen to him and paimon dump a novel worth of UNVOICED dialogue, go to another location, solve a dumb designed puzzle, defeat enemies, rinse and repeat. Which to be fair have been *somewhat* solved in 2.7 with the new archon quest featuring *zero* npcs, actually fun puzzles like the time travel gate and whatnot, and the fact that it isn't time gated.

[@mylesobrien7477]

the only thing keeping me goings is exploration of new areas cause thats genuinely fun

[@tofire2261]

@@mylesobrien7477 its rly nice to see all the pretty new areas but they get bogged down by a thousand enemies that are the same mechanically and it gets so annoying. I just want to explore not to fight the 500th hillichurl

[@lllwllwj1993]

to me, the issue is with the repetitive daily things you feel obliged to do. recently i’ve only been playing when i want to, once in five days or ten. genshin feels much better, though it was difficult of leaving the mentality of “missing” primogems - especially because i’m a f2p player.

[@afraf5]

Glad to hear, u can handle that "FOMO" Freemogems. I think its more healthy if u play when u want to play, not treat it like daily chores.

[@estrellakiss]

omg yes the fear of missing out on free primogem that is so real

[@ThoseFerrets]

Same. I've gotten into different things and stuff, and I also now only play when I actually feel like it haha. I used to play everyday, but now I just do so once or so every week (depending on what I've got going) and it feels less boring. Now using resin and dailies, etc don't feel as /much/ as a chore. I'm F2P also, and the only thing I'm looking forward to currently is getting heizou so I can have a different playstyle xD

[@billyfraiser6298]

just so you know, the word you want is 'obligated', not 'obliged' :)

[@afraf5]

@@billyfraiser6298 thx for.correcting

[@AmirPrinceling]

Other gacha games I've played have ways of accessing limited time events, one having something called an "Event Compendium" which allowed you to play versions of these events that gave you less rewards than the original runs. I feel something like that would be perfect for Genshin to allow players to access the limited story content.

[@legacymse7095]

Yeah almost every gacha game give you the opportunity to play events for the story but you get none of the rewards, which is the right thing to do because active players have some exclusivity but everyone else can enjoy the story later. I wish Genshin would do that. Mobile players are like "wtf if they did that, the game would need 100GB of storage" but... bro... if you're playing Genshin on mobile, it means you have one of the best smartphone available, surely you can afford a SD card. You saw it coming, that is the price you'll have to pay if you want to push gaming on mobile to the limit

[@saidaholyjoy3771]

i think the huge problem is the memory space suppose if the gold apple events or the other domains return it would just be too much storage space, genshin needs room for another 4-5 nations ahead, they can't keep every thing

[@AmirPrinceling]

@@saidaholyjoy3771 Genshin just isn't very optimized from what I can tell. The game I mentioned that has the "Event Compendium" allows you to manually download older events and then uninstall them when you're finished, or they're automatically uninstalled with updates in order to optimize space. Genshin has no reason to keep every single thing when it can just uninstall assets no longer utilized such as older story chapters.

[@Megurin-chan]

@@AmirPrinceling Exactly and Hoyoverse already is doing this with Tears Of Themis, downloading the old event and when you're done you can just delete it, same with the story chapters but not sure why they don't do it for Genshin but I guess too much assets and stuff-

[@DigimonMaster2574]

Lostie?

[@lmao6331]

the worst part is that they make you grind artifacts for days, only to release enemies that don't take dmg during certain phases

[@Zkr7]

They not force you to do it though, if you wont then just ignore your artifact being a trash

[@lmao6331]

@@Zkr7 I'm at endgame so there isn't much to do but grind artifacts and do abyss, and when they keep putting mosters that just stall for time, it takes the whole reason I grinded artifacts away, it's just annoying

[@BeavisVolg]

They have made it worse in just a single year, now enemies ONLY take dmg during certain phases and they are getting shorter and shorter. How the fuck they expect me to use my Eula Nuke if the boss only becomes targeteable for like 10 seconds wtf lmao

[@flonyan7742]

@@BeavisVolgthey dont want you to use her, they want you to pull for the new shiny character!!!!

[@jackiele8311]

@flonyan7742 and the shiny character needs to be leveled up 40 times to have the special attack, and the special attack has a 120 second cool down and only decreases the boss’s health by 1%!!!!

[@CatsArson]

Just imagine u get a 5 star early in the game, but the character is from for example fontaine, u have to finish almost the entire game for u to be able to level them up more

[@actualhooligan]

I think this will only be a problem with Inazuma. Early game, you could pull for someone like Ganyu or something. You could still farm for her as Liyue is readily accesible for you to explore. As far as we know, Inazuma is the only nation that is an island and blocked off. So, it is likely that other regions won’t have that problem

[@madensmith7014]

@@actualhooligan True, but hopefully there won't be some invisible walls or Paimon stopping you from venturing out further. There are also some areas that are intentionally blocked in the continent like Chasm or Stormterror lair, hopefully the general area wouldn't be the same.

[@WangGanChang]

@@madensmith7014 well, this has being tried before. In the early game you can certainly get to liyue before you finished stormterror quest, so it won't be a problem. (though it may not be a good experience though, think of people actually went to liyue via dragonspine in the first hours of the game)

[@Fang_Tooth]

pretty much when i was starting and sayu had recently been added, i rolled her as one of my first 4 stars and couldn't even get ascension materials until late game so she was stuck level 40 while the rest of my team was probly lv 80, since i got to much inazuma later

[@NowiDaManakete]

@@actualhooligan that would mean they have to make content for each region that can't relate to other regions in case you don't do them in the order they come out

[@DegenWeeb]

The biggest issues the community has with the game is definitely the lack of replayable content and the artifact system being tied to resin. They devs put so much work on new game modes and mechanics for events that the players love, but then remove them once the event ends. Spiral Abyss is the only permanent mode that has any real rotations to it in terms of enemies and gimmicks. The sad thing is that some people don't try to clear it due to the somewhat disappointing rewards and the amount of mid-maxing they'd have to do to make 2 viable teams.

[@Nixahma]

I kinda disagree with that last part? Spiral Abyss doesn't necessarily require min-maxing. You can clear floor 12 with subpar characters so long as you adjust your comp to each chamber, for example, I couldn't 3* chamber 2 until I used a scuffed version of National with Diluc (with very bad stats compared to my second, "minmaxed" and actually properly built team). The rest is all true though.

[@Panocek]

Yes and no. If permanent game modes have no long-term valuable rewards like gacha currency, character/weapon/artifact select, then there would be reason to replay them after few runs. If such game modes would give such rewards, then FOMO to complete them would be strong. Sure, old players who completed everything else would be fine and probably actually happy, but anyone not sitting at AR57+ probably not. Honkai Impact already have such issue with too many permanent and temporary events to catch up, especially when you're still haven't cleared story stages nor you're particularly well built with your characters.

[@Riku-Leela]

@@Panocek the only reason it's like that in Genshin is because the only worthwhile resource in the game is gacha currency, most other rewards they give out is just junk weapons nobody will use anyway or artifacts you'll just use to level up your main ones. To make people want to play more there needs to be a separate currency too which you can build to say purchase specific artifacts you want or weapons you want, maybe even have a rare drop of primos. The closest thing right now is the realm currency but that is terrible. There needs to be seperate, interesting gamemodes (maybe even with ranking) to compete in and get currency from which then you can save (at a faster rate than primos) and use on items/artifacts ect...

[@Panocek]

@@Riku-Leela At the same time it needs to be added sparingly, otherwise you end up with clusterfuck Honkai is when it comes to 20+ currencies and shops and whatever multiple events are running in parallel, each having its own currency and shop as well.

[@PogMcDog]

it is endgame content. But I've gotten 34-36 stars in the last15 abyss atleast. Now I am AR60 with 15 characters at lvl 90, and 8 dps characters, multiple with crowns.

[@nthersh0t519]

the sumeru artifacts part made me remember a meme that goes like "new players in 2035 after they have to beat the entire game to ascend their dainsleif" and i think genshin gotta add some alternate way to get boss materials from like snezhnaya or something so your tsaritsa wont go collecting dust until ar55 when you unlock the region, but it shouldnt be too easy so that new players can get lv 90 level 10 talents just from exchanging mondstadt drops for fontaine/natlan/snezhnaya/khaenri'ah drops

[@fairytells5225]

The thing is, theoretically you can go to Liyue or Dragonspine or Sumeru without finishing Mondstadt archon quest. It is Inazuma that is closed off in the story that's why we can't go there. You can prefarm things in other regions because they won't be locked, I think. Until another region with closed border appears.

[@Juslin7989]

​@@fairytells5225 The problem is that there are difficulty spikes in every region which people might not be able to deal with. And also most people are casuals that can struggle with normal content already. Plus how would they know what to do and where to go without the story quest?

[@fairytells5225]

@@Juslin7989 I can't say anything about difficulty spike because the only weapons I lvl up to 90 are event ones, they are so easy to upgrade, and all my characters are lvl 80. I don't have many meta characters too - no Ganyu, Ayaka or Hu Tao. I am lazy like that. I thought that whatever happened with lvl 93 enemies in Inazuma kicking my lvl 70 Raiden hard was just lvl difference lol. I guess one can unga bunga any enemy in Mondstadt and Liyue without thinking (except for wooden shield mitachurls that are much easier with pyro in the team... And geo shield enemies that can be broken with claymore or geo characters... And teleporting shielded cicin mages... And invisible teleporting fatui agents that are much better frozen... And hiding in the soil whopperflowers and dendro slimes... And that small elemental flies that are so hard to aim at without a catalyst... And literally any enemy that has some weakness against some element or weapon that can be exploited, lol), but make people use a little bit of strategy and it is suddenly too hard I guess? A catalyst and off field support like Yanfei+Fishl is really good for spectres, for example, and overload that many players don't like for knocking enemies further away comes in handy with them. They are the same as elemental flies in Liyue, just tankier and with that explosion in the end. They literally scream "don't come closer, aim better, use reactions to amplify dmg", and that's with every other enemy in Inazuma too. Yes, many enemies can't be grouped with anemo. But that's OK. Some enemies ignore shield, some ignore crowd control, for some you need a certain element or weapon to work - it was always there and no one complained that they can't beat hydro slimes with Barbara or geo cube needed geo or claymore to beat it quickly. Are people that attached to one team that they are not willing to try any other? Any enemy has a weakness that some people just don't want to exploit I guess. And with Inazuma opened only at ar 45, if I am not mistaken, at least 4-8 different characters should be lvled up enough (to lvl 70 with 50:130 crits and 1500 atk, how many of my characters are built, for example) to take it on. Plus, starter regions in any game are a sandbox for noobs, of course it won't have anything too hard to help newer players understand the concept and basic things about the game so they could use things they learned later on. Liyue and Dragonspine introduced new, harder enemies and mechanics that were challenging at the time too, but I don't see people talking about Dragonspine's difficulty now. I don't think difficulty spike is that bad - it is still manageable even without fully built characters on the last world lvl if the player in question understands the basic strategy that was shown to him in the starter regions. About the second thing you said, exploration is literally the heart of the game? You just go wherever you see, it's not that hard... And opening new archon statues shows bosses on the map. You just go and explore I guess. That's the charm, stumbling upon some kind of overgrown flower and discovering that's the one you needed for a character upgrade. And there are so many guides and tutorials all over the internet and now in game too - from enemy placements in the adventure book to literal build guides on talent and artifacts pages. You just need.....to read it. Wow, crazy. Tldr; if one doesn't use the tools and tutorials literally given in the game, they shouldn't say that something is too hard. Use everything you are given ffs.

[@Lackofstyle]

@@fairytells5225 The issue is "theoretically" Inazuma was the first real region added to the game, and while it had a story reason to be locked off, there's no proof that all future regions won't have the same, or just be locked off just because

[@fairytells5225]

@@Lackofstyle dragonspine and the surface of the chasm weren't quest locked. I know that these are not actual regions, but Enkanomiya was locked even inside Inazuma. I think that some regions, especially the ones like Sumeru or Fountaine, which have a border with Liyue or Mondstadt on land, won't be quest locked. We'll see, I guess.

[@annaisee]

The only problem I really have with Genshin is sometimes it gets super repetitive, almost like a chore just to progress. Also, the items required to ascend certain characters is super non-beginner friendly. I got Kuki Shinobu and it made her very difficult to ascend because she requires Inazuman materials and at the time, I wasn't even close to getting there.

[@angelichobi__18]

This is very true but then again what video game doesn’t feel like a chore over time, animal crossing for example once you get far in the game everything is basically a chore, that’s a lot of games, especially Gacha games. It’s the sad truth

[@hubertramos6145]

​@@angelichobi__18 if it feels like a chore you might want to stop playing for a bit then, big diffence in your example, you can stop anytime in animal crossing and when you get back everything will still be there, meanwhile genshin is heavily reliant in you keeping up with the events, meaning youre forced to keep playing or endure the fomo

[@TheReZisTLust]

​@@angelichobi__18 Chess doesn't feel like a chore 😐

[@CatGoomba64]

Even worse, she requires chasm materials on top of that. So I hope you like grinding out that story quest

[@Sergmanny46]

Kuki probably has it the worst. Needs Inazuma materials, and the boss materials she needs are in the Chasm. So already you need 2 regions just to be able to level her up.

[@melon_lord2774]

as a veteran player I honestly feel bad for the new players who don't get to experience some of the important limited time events they way I did when I first started out. it's too bad some of the major events like unrecoiled stars, and both dragonspine events can't be experienced again.

[@AlexandruLipan]

As a player that basically is on Genshin, as a casual, since the 1.0, I can concur half the interesting stuff is under limited time events, and lost to the echoes of time (and gacha)

[@swagjose1817]

trust me im a new player and i dont care lol. im playing this game just because the characters are hot and because i want baizhu to become playable

[@unclefudge4206]

that's how gacha games work. there's lots of games that i am playing right now when looking back on their past events thinking i wish that they'll rerun that. Namingly collab events (that is very very very limited) .

[@FattyKung]

And I am a new player who do care, I'm not only into characters but interested in a character's interaction and story as well. And it's a shame I can't experienced that just because I start late.

[@LvUhcX]

I played but the gacha system. Killed it for me. Now everyone I know no longer plays this game. Time to move on to better things

[@flopplush]

The quests are probably one of the biggest problems in my opinion. In most cases, I have to do like six prerequisite quests before a limited event, and then speed run that event because it’s ending soon. We meet again with a character though we’ve never actually met with that character, leaving most confused and scrambling to figure out what they missed. The main mondstadt quest made sense, they introduced you to characters slowly, and kept it important. They shouldn’t have quests we’re never going to see again contain such important information, but instead have these limited quests be optional, and just for fun. The quests being like this will only screw over newer players who enjoy the story aspect more than the combat, or only started playing because the story seemed interesting. I had no idea the quest with scaramouche existed. I don’t think a lot of players did. If I had known about that quest aside from the first main encounter we have with him, he might have seemed more sinister, making the player shocked at his re-apperance, but because I hadn’t known anything prior to him, I didn’t have that moment of shock, he really just seemed like some dude, and it’s the same for other characters too who just suddenly appear in a quest that we’ve never met before due to a limited event. It’s harder to connect to the story, it gets confusing, and it disappoints people who will feel left out, or pressured to always be playing the game so they don’t miss anything. It takes the fun out of it.

[@danfascy211]

It becomes increasingly difficult to address the issues of the game while keeping the game storage size under control. The limited time quests were meant to be limited timed due to the fact that they themselves would occupy a lot of space as a whole. Addressing one issue leads to another issue and the cycle goes on and on. With how large the fan base has become for Genshin, i think it isnt humanly possible to address all of the issues that the players encounter BUT addressing the major issues need to be done NOW. As the video said, these would go out of control if not dealt with now. I also hope that Hoyoverse is trying to find some solutions for the same and they would get addressed ASAP.

[@lulullia]

@@danfascy211 There's a way. Once you finish a quest that "occupy a lot of space" you don't need to redo it anymore. It can just get deleted from the disk. And each "arc"/event can be downloaded separately, only when you wish to play it, and then get deleted once you're done with it. It's not really complicated.

[@danfascy211]

@@lulullia A plausible idea, i also thought of it but cant say why Hoyoverse is not going for that because its quite easy to come across too. Lets just hope this optimization will come sooner or later!!

[@skygazer8549]

I think their main concern for limited event stories are storage, cuz ya know, mobile players and stuff. If storage wasn't a problem they would probably keep the event's stories in.

[@light8759]

There are way too many unimportant prerequisite quests in this game. I’m okay with the archon quests, but world quests are so damn boring… I wish they made it optional. I really hate doing them so much.

[@idk3796]

What could also become a problem for new players is that you need Region specialties to lever up your Characters. Imagine getting an Inazuma or Sumeru Character when you are still in Mondstadt. That Character will become useless until you get to the required Region.

[@vvendyvvacku8113]

Very true on this one, I saw a streamer kind of speedrun to inazuma, he got yae miko but it was very underleveled cuz he couldn't get the materials. It was painful seeing the only 5 star he has kept dying just because of ascension problems. I just wish they have like a traveling merchants that sell other regions specialties. Like at least new player can wait for it to refresh every week than speed run regions and got snapped back to reality when they arrived inazuma.

[@peach4246]

This happened to me with Thoma. I got him and immediately tried to max him out, but was stopped because I hadn't reached inazuma yet. I felt really rushed to finish the storyline, even though I actually enjoy experiencing the storyline. But I didn't fully listen or go through it because I felt I didn't have time to.

[@ValbrandrLeonhardt]

@@vvendyvvacku8113 Except, the 4 stars the game gives you are really good. Kaeya, Lisa, and Amber are fantastic. Xiangling and Barbara should still be free as well.

[@awkt7350]

I literally happened to me with itto like, i have so many materials and 0 from inazuma..

[@leeanna1297]

Yh I'm a new player and I got Inazuma in one pull. He's cute, and I love his dialgue but I can't do anything but except take pictures with him.

[@JustTowas]

I was so determined to get through dragonspine to see albedo, then it turns out it was a limited time event :')

[@amazinglaughs]

I think they should have the limited story events available all the time. Maybe just the cutscenes, at least. Have it downloadable and once someone’s experienced it, they can delete the download to free up space on the game. They do it in Tears Of Themis and it’s so nice.

[@SweetDragoncandy]

Yes I'm that happiest since they added lost gold in a feature like that on ToT.. it would make so much sense for genshin...

[@lilacamaris518]

I think keeping the limited events would be good but I guess if you play it later then you don’t get the special event rewards (like when you do specific things to obtain a character for free), that way it balances it out sort of

[@clairec1348]

I feel like the cutscenes can just be googled or found in yt so they don’t give the “cutscene save” option

[@RuneKatashima]

This is what I've been thinking they should do FOR MONTHS.

[@austinwang1298]

i also wish they can give the special rewards to but not the stuff u can already obtain(books shards and the talent books) I mean this is an open world game it should be more relaxing shouldn't it? It should be welcome to wait for us that aren't grinding everyday.

[@reireiichi8980]

No matter what happens, as long as the main story line doesn't end up terribly disappointing me, I'm gonna keep playing until the end solely because I enjoy the lore, the characters, the music and the landscape in genshin. I also make sure to never finish exploring a new area in a couple of days, I take my sweet time. I read the dialogue in story quests and main story line but the side quests are almost all very boring I'll give you that. Besides, I enjoy farming for characters and making them stronger and while I wish there was more resin and more I could do in a day besides commissions, I enjoy my time when I log in. (I'm a 1.0 player btw.) At the end of the day though, I wouldn't recommend this game to new players and I absolutely don't mind seeing people complain and leave the community. It's even better if it ends up pushing Hoyoverse to make changes.

[@kyaraevergreen2344]

Exacly. I started playing bc i loved the story, not the game. Even tough i actuallly started loving the game itself

[@CL-kx5mp]

This is basically me lmao. Especially the last paragraph.

[@raidenthus]

I started playing Genshin because of the AMAZING story. Almost nine months later I have come to the conclusion that story is not, in any way, amazing. I had better story-telling and depth in a book I wrote in 3rd grade for my mom, "Goose goes to the park."

[@faelran]

I relate to this comment in a whole 'nother level. I only focus on the lore and story, and if i already finish it all i just make my characters stronger. And if i get the characters i wanted, i'm gonna be a character collector. Sounds bad and all but i actually enjoy that. But then again, we're not some programmed robots to have the same opinion.

[@sflwr788]

I wholeheartedly agree! I started in 1.0 and I’ve seen lots of other genshin players get bored of the game I make sure to take my time with each quest and mainly focus on farming and just enjoying the game at my own pace

[@rainthorn973]

In terms of the timed events, one thing many people forget is there was a huge story key in the Labyrinth Warriors event, wherein Tartaglia says that Scaramouche still has the Gnosis and never returned it to Snezhnaya, so has presumably gone rogue from the Fatui even though he's meant to be one of the Harbingers. Idk, just something that I think a lot of people forget about, yet is such an important story detail.

[@NumericalConfusion]

...that weird guy is a harbinger!?

[@d.ritzer]

@@NumericalConfusion 6th harbinger Scaramouche The ballader 11th harbinger AJax aka Tartaglia aka Childe The 3.x Story will definitely pick up on „the Stolen gnosis“

[@strawberrykiwiii]

I LITERALLY MISSED THIS EVENT DUE TO SCHOOL ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME

[@strawberrykiwiii]

@@mikkaMMD I had very important essays and exams to do 😭😭

[@rainthorn973]

@@strawberrykiwiii i feel that. I was only committed to the event bcs husbando tartagalicious lol

[@the_void_screamer777]

I got into Genshin via a lot of recommendations from my friends, and it was my first Gacha type game.. and OH boy. When I tell you I was SO confused. Even from tips from my friends I was very confused and disheartened to even try to begin lol. Not to mention I pulled Itto whenever I had barely started the game. Maybe this was a bad decision on my part, but I wasn't really sure what ascensions were at the time. You can imagine my ABSOLUTE D E S P I R E when I realized I had to get to Inazuma to even ASCEND Itto. While I love Genshin for what it is..it really is NOT..new player friendly..

[@otapic]

Let me tell you it's not Long time player friendly either. There's many things Hoyoverse could've done like moving limited characters to the standard banners or having banners be separated by region. But ofc they won't do that, it's Hoyoverse

[@the_void_screamer777]

@@otapic Yeah, I've heard Hoyoverse has an issue with listening to their players(to be fair, a lot of companies do, but that's not an excuse)

[@justadragonnamemarcus1751]

@@the_void_screamer777 they aren't useally lisen about thier country unless they're from China server

[@CanaAkuma]

It's so confusing at the start. I was really lucky and had like 4-5 friends who have been playing since the game came out and would explain stuff and play co-op while talking so I could ask and they could show me things. It gets easier with time but there are still moments where you have a floating questionmark above your head

[@Clara_e19]

You can get characters to 40 by doing the trial and if they're not good enough at some point, just use different ones until they are.

[@XenoFireStar]

Instead of making each region harder, they should make each region come out with an increase in world level. That way old players have some more "challenging" content for a while, and new players dont have to play with the increased world level.

[@ehe.2961]

this is actually a rlly good idea. the only problem is tho, if they do this they might have trouble cranking out the places because they'll have to speed up for veteran players. this would mean having to either break the region into more bits which means larger maps and larger space but also it being really easy to forget about the old space, not like that's not already happening *cough* ekonomia *cough* and maybe even speeding up the story progression... which i wouldn't mind. from a new player's pov: this is gold. from a veteran player's pov: kill me now. and from a mobile player: there goes space.....*holy music plays and a single tear falls*

[@mfwiseesomeonet-posing7395]

maybe there should be a region level that can scale with sigils, like the sacred sakura, but if you explore more and unlock more rewards the region gets harder

[@randomperson093]

Exactly,in genshin,difficutly just means extremely massive hp bars and shitty mechanics,take those balloons for example,they have way too much hp for being a bumch of stuff that can mostly avoid melee hits,the game can't find the balance for good difficulty like interesting mechanics or needing practice,another prime example being the ruin serpent,the thing spends 10 hours underground and 10 seconds actually above it

[@ryoid6001]

@@randomperson093 this Genshin don't have any boss with mechanic that actually Made them harder to kill,they just add fuck ton of hp. Like in other games i play,the boss is not that hard but their Minion/mobs keeps distracting me and they deal quite big damage,or the boss have low hp but extremely aggresive and hit like a truck,forcing you to be defensive 90% of the time,i never meet boss like that in genshin.

[@randomperson093]

@@ryoid6001 one of my least favorite mechanics in the game is that cheap one shotting move raiden has,it's really easy to avoid and after a while just becomes an annoying joke,another problem with these bosses is that they're designed to promote the character they were released with,take azhdaha for example,a look at him makes it obvious that he was specifically designed to promote zhongli,this fat frog deals dmg when a character is not protected by a shield even when you're far away from him by marking you in his second phase,and considering how broken shields and healing are against stuff,the "difficulty" is basically :"how much a boss can annoy you" instead of using effective tactics against it,another one of my least favorite bosses is the golden wolflord,suffering from the same problem as the ruin serpent,spending way too much time out of reach,by being airborne for days My favorite example of difficulty is orphan of kos from bloodborne,he doesn't have a massive health bar,but is extremely aggresive and fast,if you die,you weren't paying attention,if you win,you earned the victory,but of course we can't compare genshin and bloodborne in terms of difficulty but we can examine their mechanics,i hope future bosses aren't just mobs with a shit tone of hp,though from the looks of it,we will see a boss with 10 million hp when we reach snezhnaya

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

Imagine you're a brand new player. They've just released the Hydro Region. You've pulled the Hydro Archon. But HA screw you, you can't ascend them because they require materials only available in that region, and without glitching your way in your only way there is by going through all the other Archon Quests.

[@havenprice]

They will have to implement something to make the area available say after liyue as well id guess

[@MagiYellow]

Yeah, like those people going solo or something, imagine couldn't beat ar35 content with your lv40 character

[@EnhancedTrashBin]

Just get gud

[@趙金德-x9v]

maybe just DO all the other Archon Quests and quit whining?

[@nanocado]

@@趙金德-x9v the whole point of the comment was that when we eventually get all the regions, the gacha won't be very new-user friendly. someone who hasn't even done stormterror yet and has rolled an inazuma character, for example, is gonna have to wait for a *very* long time before they can do much w them :/

[@Saint_Francis23]

I would also add the fact that there is a lot of things to do that are just boring, side quests and exploration feel just like something you should do because it's your job, but most of them are just easy and boring, except some that put you in these dungeons and hidden places, also some dominions with dungeons are cool but you just do it one time and that's it, like the main and character missons. It really is a game with lots of locked content for new players and useless for high level, except if you're really into doing the gacha, then you need to do everything to farm gems, but if you don't feel like rolling for everything then most content just feel useless and generally not fun. I just hope somethings will be fixed and more interesting content will be added into the game.

[@donutpopgames]

the stories come out too slowly and end too quickly ;-;

[@Drossol]

I loved exploration when i played the game. I'd explore every nook and cranny and get excited when i find a quest somewhere because it expanded on the lore of the area. I even started using the camera function to take pictures of areas that i thought looked beautiful. It was interesting to see how each area connects with each other and how some things ended up the way they do. Some side quests and world puzzles even changes the environment ur in. There were also quests where u follow the adventures of other npcs. However, even doing all that, i eventually ran out of things to do.

[@Saint_Francis23]

@@Drossol I loved exploring too, when i started the game was magical and exploring was rewarding, but now the rewards dont matter that much and inazuma is very unpleasant to explore, it looks like the more you figure out how the game works, worse it is, because some gacha mechanics are just bad and made to adict you to the game and do everything just for gems, the artificial difficulty that just makes you do that endless grind, because even it being an action game the enemies are just anoying if youre underlevel, it not like action games that are just hard and you need some pacience to beat some bosses, here it just feels wrpng not to grind and build something op

[@failfort7822]

@@Saint_Francis23 There's also the factor of, why explore? What are you gonna find? Chests. Chests with the same content as everything else. Maybe you get a 4-star artifact or 3-star weapon if you're lucky. Other games offer unique rewards, unlocks you can't get anywhere else that are competitive in endgame. Maybe unique encounters, new areas with exclusive rewards, etc Genshin only has a HANDFUL of these. The mountain puzzle in Liyue and all of the secret ice-themed weapons in Dragonspine are great, but fundamentally, all of the important, good stuff is locked behind resin or gacha. Exploring just isn't all that viable. If you want primogems, you're better off grinding an irl job since it's more efficient than getting 2 gems at a time with the actual in-game exploration.

[@Saint_Francis23]

@@failfort7822 Yes, if you learn what to do in the game, and also youre not an crazy dude that has the need to get all the waifus, the the game starts to lose sense in some parts, i play since the start and i have a good team who breaks the game and kills everything, i do farm some gems, but havent rolled since the last xiao banner (paying inst viable for me because i live in Brasil and its too much money for just a few gems, the price of skins is a stab on the back) and dont feel the need for new characters, i will just save for when i find someone cool to play. The game has this deep casual level that really just rewards the time you put on grind (that is limited) and not much skill, i used to do everything in the game, now i realy think pf just doing the main quest and some character and world quests that got something interesting, the only thing i can ger exploring now is the good view, since this game is still pretty beatiful and i do like the campaign

[@twxstl]

aged like milk

[@leocookies1844]

Indeed it did

[@gabrokkerhun]

How's the newest Hoyo slop shillbro?

[@JustEverton]

Traveler glazer pfp😔

[@twxstl]

@@gabrokkerhun slop where?? Genshin sits on the first spot as of Jan 2025 gacha revenue with 99M 😂 keep hatin 🤡

[@fariasuplayz8466]

the biggest problem 100% to me is artifact farming.....the amount of resin I have spent just to get ONE DECENT ARTIFACT, not even the one I was looking for AND THE SET I WANTED is actually insane... wish there was a way almost a pity system POSSIBLY for you to choose a stat, or a system in the game where u can use an item to change the stats on an artifact...

[@mafumaru5899]

imo something like the upgrade system in SAO: Fatal Bullet would be great: 50% of the substats can be replaced with something else and the substats themselves get upgraded by sacrificing items with the same substats (which of course has diminishing returns)

[@fariasuplayz8466]

@@mafumaru5899 that sounds awesome!

[@AntiSoraXVI]

All I ask genuinely is to remove the base substats. I would actually cry if it was possible to never see “Atk +104” ever again. Fewer substat options and the elimination of the completely useless ones would make the grind so much better

[@fariasuplayz8466]

@@AntiSoraXVI EXACTLY or even just a system like stigmata in honkai which I find amazing, its just permanent stats and you can reroll the substats to your liking

[@josephfolk2469]

The way the artifacts drop needs some revision. I dropped 36 resin moons on Xiao's 2.6 dungeon and got one decent piece to the set, which I later replaced... The other 10 characters I've invested into haven't been much better, either. I got lucky on some of them fortunately, but the odds of getting the proper main stat, sub stats, and the correct set aren't good enough. We should also be able to choose which sub stat gets a boost upon the 4 level increments. It's bad enough to need to find the perfect artifact, but to have it boost the wrong sub stat all the way to 20 is infuriating.

[@FairyLiability]

As a new player who only picked up the game 2 months ago the fact I missed out on a lot of lore just from timed events really tics me off. I want to experience the game for myself and I'm usually someone who doesn't mind watching playthroughs of games I own.

[@andreespina9747]

They're trying to fix it I think, like the Limited event quest for this patch also became an archon quest interlude so you get the story of the event even if its done

[@Fapsu_]

Same here, was really annoying to see that I've missed out on story but I didn't really care about the weapons. I also want to say, if you're still 'low AR' don't just skip out on 4* artifacts because people have said 'only go for 5* artifacts' or you'll run into the problem that was adressed in this video. Getting your HP and ATK up is very important which alot of people don't take into account because they think you can just walz through inazuma with 3* artifacts that have horrible stats.

[@StinkyKraken]

@@Fapsu_ i waltzed through inazuma with shitty barely leveled up 4 star artifacts until i met signora, luckily by that time, I alrdy reached ar45.

[@toastbread2263]

Yah luckily I only started a year after the release so I guess in the long run it's not that much, but those limited time events from the 1st year seem to be the best ones imo🧍‍♀️

[@chrisgonzalez5883]

@@toastbread2263 same here i started last December. From what i seen and experience. They need more worthwhile quest. The limited time quest need to be made permanent.

[@nunyabusiness3652]

There was an event involving with Albedo and the entire quest feels way too important for simply being a limited event. Like rather than making it as an event, they could just make it as Albedo Character Story Act 2, but still add in the event stuff like what they did with Chasm Archon Quest.

[@danafah9539]

ive been playing for over a year and am ar57, i took a little break and missed the entire albedo event 😭

[@ciel6960]

@@danafah9539 that's what i hate most. other games, even long-running ones that have limited events, don't make you feel like you missed out on a lot. in genshin, a few months gone and you've missed out on some important stuff.

[@chillax319]

Yeah events with important story are the biggest issue. I took a break due to burn out and will come back only after Sumeru and the next big land are released to not feel that I have to rush to be able to do events. I like to enjoy myself at my own pace but these event stories will make you miss alot of things and they shouldn't be put into events in the first place. Even if I wanted to I have no time to spend on Genshin on gaming in general right now.

[@wandererman3772]

suggestion, u can watch that event on yt right? no need to being a btch about it (if only u want to get the story and cutscene)

[@RemedieX]

@@ciel6960 Feels like I didn't watch a whole movie while the game continues on with its connected story.

[@hollow-8282]

Sayu was my first character I pulled in genshin, and it took me FOREVER to get her past level 20 because the materials she needed were all in inazuma, and I'd barely even got into mondstadt. They really need to change things up if they expect new players to have just as fun as veteran players

[@user-bv8ks5nt2p]

I'm starting to have that problem with Yun Jin...

[@drlop6754]

Eula was my first one so I didn't have this problem at all

[@desmondmondbar2233]

why should mihoyo support those ppl rerolling accounts for two weeks just to start with "x" char ? its actually good as is so u have to be at least a lil bit invested ...

[@CanaAkuma]

With every region it gets worse. Like I just started 3 weeks ago and when you pull Cyno, Tighnari and Candace who are all in Sumeru, when you just started in Mondstadt is frustrating. I did invest some time and I am in Inazuma now and for the sake of leveling tighnari I unlocked the archon statues in sumeru, but that's certainly not how it's supposed to be 😅

[@kumuhana]

@@CanaAkuma can't you go to sumeru whenever you want ? I mean the only place that you can't go to easily is inazuma so characters from there are probably a pain to level up if you aren't caught up but other than that, currently you can level almost all the characters (weekly bosses from later regions will be a pain but mostly everything is accessible)

[@TheLonelyMoon]

AR rewards are underwhelming, artifact system is unrewarding, feels like a waste of time most of the time. Pretty unrewarding and boring dailies that are often compensated with mediocre events. If Sumeru doesn't address core issues with the game, then maybe it's time for me to move on

[@zhongli_simp_lmao7160]

I absolutely agree. Grinding levels from AR55 onwards just to get a single fate is pathetic, it should at least be 10 pull considering it's the standard banner. Artifact grinding is purely based on luck. Everything has started to feel like a chore, which really sucks to say cause I love this game. I think if 3.0 doesn't show a noticeable improvement in QoL the playerbase will decline rapidly. Considering I play for story and exploration, I might stick to that and just hold out till the end of Sumeru archon quest until I go on a break.

[@charginginprogresss]

@@zhongli_simp_lmao7160 Nah, the problem is that the playerbase won't drop. Genshin will never fail, whales will keep spending. mihoyo will keep seeing they can get away from giving us nothing and keep doing that, all while dumping the money from the cash cow (genshin) into their love children Honkai Impact 3rd, Honkai Star Rail and ZZZ.

[@zhongli_simp_lmao7160]

@@charginginprogresss That's true. I'm hoping that the playerbase could get some sort of wake-up call and realise how little HYV really gives a damn about us, but that's unlikely and everyone has a different relationship to how they enjoy the game. I can't dictate how people spend their hard earned money ofc, but if people are genuinely unhappy with the current state of the game I like to hope that stopping spending would cause some sort of impact. Maybe if we get spat in the face for the anniversary again people might get it, assuming the state of the game will still be as it already is? (I mean, probably not but it was worth a try).

[@xodacan5072]

@@zhongli_simp_lmao7160 Honestly I might just go to other games

[@J2BGaming650]

Yea move on this game is just a game to collect hero’s and kill shit for fun once and a while get over it

[@derpietertul1674]

Another problem I would add would be the character level up materials, and regional specialties in general. An alternate account I had was at a low AR and didn’t have access to Inazuma yet, but I pulled Raiden. However, I could only get her up to level 40 with the help of trial materials, but I couldn’t go any further due to Inazuma being locked. On top of that, her level up materials are in one of the most dangerous places in Inazuma, Seirai Island. So even if I unlocked Inazuma, the difficulty scaling would make it a nightmare just to get to the island, let alone collect enough materials. This is definitely a pain for newer players, and it’ll keep occurring more and more as each region releases, too…

[@Sagittorius]

I never even thought about that before… It honestly pains me that hoyoverse only really listens to players when it’s basically the whole community complaining. The 1st anniversary for example, took them awhile to comply with the players until everyone was freaking out and review bombing them and stuff

[@axiion-1]

@@Sagittorius because with every 1 person complaining, there will be 2 people willing to defend the game like their life depends on it. 1st anniversary isn't even the first incident, remember launch Zhongli? He had legit flaws, shitty numbers, even Noelle is better support wise and people are willing to defend a 5* ARCHON that can cost upwards to hundreds of dollars to get if you're unlucky. And this is coming from someone who saved up primos to pull for him day 1. It only took the majority of China to complain for them buff him. People thinking this game is beyond criticism are making the game worse that people complaining about the game imo.

[@thisguyloli8279]

my idea for that is to put a npc that exchange boss materials with other boss materials like 2 electro hypostasis material can be exchange for 1 bathsymal vishap material, i wish they will add this kind of feature

[@justasimplekaeyasimp287]

Exactly what I'm thinking! When Inazuma was finally released, I was literally terrified of going there. The enemies were too strong, Serai Island was a nightmare and also the domains there… my high level online friends basically had to carry me through Inazuma's domains and weekly bosses, otherwise I would've most likely lost my motivation to continue playing.

[@moon.2674]

that was my experience too when i used to play. it was extremely annoying as i started getting used to having raiden on my team

[@fallenelement7]

I think there is a more bigger issue we need to tackle as well: Communication from the developers. In my experience and history of playing the game (Played from day one, besides missing 1.1 and rejoining at end of 1.2), I feel that Mihoyo (Hoyoverse) doesn't seem to hear the cries of issues. This video is sort of evident that Hoyo has said issue. I see community communication as an important aspect for game making, as it is a great source for things that developers may not notice, which allows balancing, QoL updates, refinements and general improvements to the game in general. If I ever made a game, the community voice would be important. I also want to mention the one mechanic that I have a grudge against Hoyo for: Crouching. There are at leats 10 sections within quests where you are given crouching to sneak around to snoop into a conversation or tail someone witrhout being seen. I see this as a game mechanic that would make Genshin more enjoyable for the reason of sneaking past Hilichurls and dealing sneak damage or something. One of the daily comissions 'A Gentlemen Strikes in Broad Daylight', the crouching and sneaking mechanic would make this comission MORE interesting, as it basically tells you to get these 2 things without being spotted. I mostly get spotted, but this would be more fun if the crouching and sneaking mechanic was implemented fully into Genshin. Definitely would also help when following a Seelie through a enemy camp and you dont want to get spotted. Wishes should be regional wishes. Currnetly, 3 regions in the game, so a Wish for characters from Mondstadt, Liyue and Inazuma. This would make all characters available while also allowing new players to get characters and weapons that are in their current region depending on the current level and story progress. I, too, love tha game, but there are definitley issues that Hoyo dont want to look into or dont know of or something. I am currently in the 'game fatigue' or something equivalent because I am just at the point where only the Spiral Abyss, BP, events and grinding for some of my characters are what keep me going.

[@doomsdayng]

Really? They are constantly giving us surveys, and many of the things I have brought up on them have been fixed in future patches. They are constantly changing the game to match our expectations, while ignoring the dumb requests.

[@fallenelement7]

@@doomsdayng it's probably just me thinking bad about surveys now that I think about it. I am overthinking it most likely, so please disregard it. But I think Mihoyo/Hoyoverse still has an issue with communication with the community outside of their homeland (China).

[@dystopiaartistry1612]

@@doomsdayng they only listen when it comes to bugs, other then that any other types of feedback they get they throw onto the ground, crush and then burn it

[@arlaghdoth4434]

@@doomsdayng They don't read what you write on suggestions / surveys. They literally only pay attention to bug reports and those "enjoyment level" ones after an event ends so they know what type of events the playerbase likes or dislikes based on the percentages. But that's as far as they go.

[@ShikiTsuna]

The thing is about regional wishes is that it wouldn’t be any different from normal intertwined fate wishes since they will still be made from primogems but the idea of having wish banners of multiple regions to wish from is a good idea

[@lumini3172]

One thing that really annoys me is how every so often Traveler will mention something about characters/events that, in my POV, have never happened. Why? Because what happened took place during a limited time event. For example, in the current GAA event, when the team went into a cave they found a note left by Albedo. It threw me off because Traveler and Paimon referred to Albedo as a “friend” when I had never done a quest that involved him apart from Klee mentioning him at one point. They also mentioned that Albedo had been to those islands before. Now, I knew that the information came from limited events, as I had somewhat kept up with the game not long after it’s release (I just never played it until I could download it on my phone about a month and a half ago), but it’s just annoying how so much lore is lost. Like, had I never heard of the event I would have so many questions. What were they doing on those islands before? What even happened? How did Albedo get there? How did Traveler and Paimon know about this? Was there anyone else there? I’ve seen playthroughs of limited events on KZbin, but it peeves me that I can’t experience it first hand. Would it kill the devs to keep the limited quests up? They could just remove the limited edition rewards from it to “balance it out”. That way new players aren’t confused when it turns out that Traveler and Paimon are besties with someone said players have never even heard of before and the event still keeps that limited flair to it. I mean, you’re literally playing as the Traveler, so it’s a little off-putting when you miss a huge chunk of information when you’re supposed to be experiencing everything the Traveler does throughout the playable parts of the game. It’s like a series releasing a Christmas episode and then deleting it after Christmas passed, only to then occasionally reference it throughout the rest of the series, forcing people who missed it to watch it through illegal sites or crappy reaction videos if they want to understand.

[@lumini3172]

@Sploofie Yes, lmao, I’m doing Kokomi’s at the moment. I’m talking specifically about content from event quests. For one, I was only rank 35 when I started the GAA (couldn’t get past the second ascension domain), so I didn’t have any of the 5* story quests unlocked, meaning Albedo still hadn’t been officially introduced to me. For two, the dialogue I commented on is seemingly referring to the last GAA event, which I could not do as I had no means to play Genshin at that time. It’s annoying that the game expects me to have either participated in the event, or have watched someone else play it instead of A. Not making dialogue that alludes to the player knowing characters from that event or B. Keeping limited quests permanent and removing the limited rewards once a certain amount of time has passed to keep that “limited edition” element.

[@lumini3172]

@Sploofie No, it definitely wasn’t. They specifically said that he had been to those islands before, and referenced things that had happened there. And also, it really isn’t the same as that, since each season of Fortnite is pretty much an entire reset of the game, not just a quest (although I could be wrong as I’ve never played Fortnite, I’m just going from what I’ve heard my little brother talking about). It’s nothing like keeping a quest up but taking limited rewards from it.

[@lumini3172]

@Sploofie 1. There’s already chronological issues, lol As I said, I had not officially met Albedo and yet Aether and Paimon were talking about him and calling him a “friend”. Now when I do Albedo’s story quest they’ll both act as if they’ve never met him before. The same thing happened with Itto and his story quest. I first met him during the music festival event, but once again Aether and Paimon were like, “That sounds like Itto,” and all that, clearly knowing him pretty well. But obviously they had no idea who he was when I started his story quest _after_ the event. This could already confuse someone, but that’s just how it is. No-one’s forcing you to do quests or events. And also, I’m pretty sure they have disclaimers to let you know when you start certain events that stuff might not make sense unless you do another quest first. I mean, I had to do like 4 different story quests before I could finish the last Archon quest. They could continue with that with event quests. 2. Why can’t they? It’s not like there’s some limit to how many quests you can put in a game. How many optional story quests are there? And there’s ones with like 10 different endings, as well. (Edit: There’s also an insane amount of world quests, and some of them hold A LOT of lore. The ones for Enkanomiya and Tsurumi Island being a couple of examples.) Again, it’s not like they would force people to do event quests, it would just be side stuff that players could do for Mora or materials or just because they’re bored or something. And what about mobile players? I’m a mobile player but I don’t expect the devs to cater to me lol. If they did they would never be able to update the game, as not everyone has enough space on their phones with the game as it is. That’s not to mention all the upcoming things. And even if they did want to worry so much about mobile players, they could make it a dlc thing, like with the different language audios and stuff. Then if you want to do the event quests, you can download it, but if you don’t have enough space, you have the option not to. I’m not asking for a miracle here, I honestly don’t know why you’re being so defensive. It was just something that peeved me, not a personal attack on you, the devs, or the game lmao

[@lumini3172]

@Sploofie That is entirely different. For example, when I did Itto’s event, I was lost, obviously, but his story quest is a permanent fixture to the game. Like watching a later episode of a series and not understanding anything that’s going on, but being able to go back to earlier episodes and say, “Oh, what happens later makes sense now,” instead of never being able to watch the earlier episodes. There’s chronological issues, yes, but anybody can easily make sense of them when the past events are still available to them. It’s just not in the right order. Again, the information is at least always available in the story quest, rather than all that lore being lost in an event quest. HoYo literally did that exact thing with Perilous Trails II. Wasn’t it considered an event for that version of the game? It’s a permanent quest now. And again, I suggested that they have _limited rewards_ that _will_ be taken away once the event is over. That way no lore is lost, there’s still limited stuff, and everyone can be on the same page story-wise. And I don’t understand bringing OG players into this. Like, those events are in the past, and there’s going to be new events like every update. They wouldn’t lose anything-I’m confused about the thought process that they wouldn’t have anything special? It’s special that not everyone can participate in events? I’m sorry, I just don’t understand that point :/

[@lumini3172]

@Sploofie If the rewards are the main point of events then I fail to see what problem would come with keeping the events up, just without the rewards. And I’m not talking about things that don’t have “personalities” such as seelie pets and skins. My main problem is with how much lore is lost, as I’ve said many times before. For example, the music festival didn’t have much lore. You just said hello to the Arataki gang, played songs, and then got rewards. Simple. For stuff like that it makes perfect sense to end it after a short period. But for quests like SAS, it doesn’t make sense to put so much lore into a time-gated event. I saw dozens of players who missed the event because they didn’t even know it was time-gated and had taken a break from the game. Believe me, _a lot_ of people complained about the very same thing and openly stated how annoyed they were that HoYo put so much story into something so temporary. Just look up a play through of the quest and look through the comments. Lots of people weren’t happy. What about the OG players in that case? The ones who took a break or had some other reason for not being able to participate? Such huge amounts of lore shouldn’t be exclusive like that. I wasn’t asking HoYo to preserve every single event, I was merely pointing out how inconvenient it is to miss a huge chunk of lore just because you weren’t (or couldn’t be, in my case, as I knew of Genshin and wanted to play but didn’t have the means to do so) playing the game when it took place.

[@tilsenkyron6194]

I think the biggest issues Genshin's facing right now are: artifact farming, ascension mats, and co-op. You can farm artifacts for years and still not get that "one" artifact you really want. There's no safety net or something. With ascension mats being locked behind the story (Inazuma), you cannot ascend a certain character unless you unlock a certain area. With co-op ... it's really lacking IMO.

[@LibraritheWizardOfficial]

You don't really NEED perfect godly artifacts with every stat and substat how you want it and mid 200's artifact crit value. People have 36 starred spiral abyss with way less than whale investment since pretty early into the game's lifespan. Artifact farming for ridiculously high numbers is just something that happens to us because we have nothing else to spend resin on at endgame.

[@t.w.l3691]

@@LibraritheWizardOfficial thats not true at all. When you spend over a 1000 resin for a heart of depth crit circlet, i can assure you thats not trying to get perfect godly artifacts

[@LibraritheWizardOfficial]

@@t.w.l3691 I'm AR60, I've spent a lot more than 1000 resin on numerous sets. I have never outright _needed_ anything beyond what I consider copium artifacts at this stage. I only keep farming because there's nothing else to do with resin except try to build more artifacts to match my A-Team in an ever escalating arms race to see who can get the fastest sub 30 domain clears. Hell, I had Jean with trash artifacts for over a year and still mained her just because she was still good enough to clear WL8 content with ease.

[@madcat6299]

You don't need insane artifacts. What you need are insanely challenging content where you can use your built characters aside from spiral abyss and monthly events. Spiral abyss only resets once every 2 weeks, which is a long wait, only for you to finish all the floors in one sitting. Even artifact domains aren't challenging anymore. I wish we could get level 100 enemies in domains, an abyss-like difficulty but with better rewards.

[@alreadyd1d]

That's why I think hoyo should add a reward for new permanent content like some kind of item that can increase your 1 sub stat for 1 time. In this way you still need to farm domains to get your perfect 4 sub stats, but without stressing out about stat rolls. Ascension mats problem can be easily solved by adding a new vendor in Mond that can exchange a special currency that you're getting from quests. Said vendor could sell any material from any region, similarly to FGO.

[@oswald3845]

"there's not enough of men" he's got a point he's a legend he's an icon and he IS the moment

[@carter1080]

Genshin really really REALLY needs to rerun their limited time story events, or just make them not always drop such huge lore bombs. Locking that kind of information behind a time wall that not all players get to experience is a sure fire way to give your game the slow burn death. Regarding the standard banner, it wouldnt be an issue if they added old limited 5-stars to the banner. They could add something like honkais standard banner where the first few times you pull it's a reduced amount of pity you need for a guaranteed new 5-star for say, 3 turns. After that you go back to normal pity but every 3 5 stars you get the 4th will always be new.

[@momo.jiajia]

honestly facts tho, the limited time story events are just such a big big problem cus just like you said, they always have some huge lore bombs and big hints at the main lore or characters backstory and new players will honestly have absolutely no idea what albedos twin is, mona dropping hints about scara, etc. they're guna miss out on half the fun we have had

[@xygdra]

Let's face it, Genshin is supported by Whales, all the events are meant to keep the whales around. Casual players and new players are just bonus. Now 1 BS that I wish they would stop is having me wish a character that I have C6 already. that is just pure nuisance, imagining eventually C6 a 5 star character, but still getting duplicates after that. nightmare stuffs

[@carter1080]

@@xygdra I'd argue new characters are for the whales whereas the events are more for everyone. Not every player is gonna have the chance to get either but every player is going to be able to experience an event should they choose to play during it. I personally didnt get to experience the first scara event and tbh i wish i couldve so i could have gotten the altered line in the inazuma story. Reruning story events would hugely increase their player retention so that way players could go experience older events and learn parts of the story for themselves.

[@WangGanChang]

or just make limited time events similar to character or hangout events. I have a felling this is the direction they are going though.

[@soham4741]

@@xygdra well whales only care about moneying through everything. So I would say the events are for f2p, but the characters and unusually overpowered 5star weapons are for whales. Either way, the managers in Genshin got all their priorities wrong, and it wont be long before they'll burn to death. RIght now, they only survive because they have the ability to lure tons of new players and advertisement. However, if they mistake this for success, they'll be finished soon.

[@CombineHgrunt]

"every region is more difficult than the previous" man, Sumeru coming out 2 months after this video really didn't do it justice. And neither did Fontaine now

[@twelfthharbinger3017]

The horror of pulling the cryo archon as a new player joining at the time of snezhnaya’s release 💀 they really need to include a salesman for mats or an exchange system like we have with gems or even a trade system among players

[@depppata]

I would love a trade system but thats not possible for this type of game. It would increase the scaming and a huge amount of bots faming your items. Also it would open up a real money trading system that no company would want. Happend to so many games. Its just not possible. There are even games that had a trading or auction system that got later removed because of that.

[@TheRealADHDavid]

@@depppata a "Grand Exchange" type of trade system would work while avoiding scams. That being said, it's a .00000000000001% chance they ever actually do anything like that sort.

[@CJ.G4077]

@@depppata maybe if you had trading with the game, not other players (idk the correct way to describe it). something like the crafting system, where maybe you could give 3 of 1 thing, for 1 of another (e.g. 3 ameno hypostasis core for 1 ruin serpent thing), that way new players can still use characters from somewhere like inazuma (unlike me with thoma at ar 16🥲)

[@lilacamaris518]

@@depppata they could just do something like a traveling salesman. Maybe one or two visit all the regions per week and they come from any of the countries you haven’t unlocked. Example, a salesman from Fontaine could be visiting Mondstat selling materials while a salesman from Sumeru is visiting Liyue. It could be at random, which still is annoying, but it’s better than not being able to get the materials you need early game at all

[@____soda]

@@lilacamaris518 if they do do that, they should be stupidly expensive like the event gadgets being 100k(?) mora each

[@Person-rb6ee]

Tbh you got your point of view, but considering genshin as a casual game that should be completed in time, it doesn't bother the players that are not playing it 24/24 I have to be honest that Hoyoverse should listen to the players like you and seek for improvment, for both veteran and new players, especially for the second category that rushes to catch up with new content and still have no way of getting old events Considering Hoyoverse, they could manage to do at least the minimum, if they try

[@astra8372]

I started playing genshin 2 months before inazuma, and in comparison with childe boss fight the shogun and signora fight were pretty impossible for me. I was using barbara on field most of the time and still had to use food. I think that no matter how horrible i am in the game, it shouldn't be that hard and world level exists exactly to prevent that.

[@Person-rb6ee]

@@astra8372 I have no idea what to say. Tbh, I find Signora's and Raiden's fights super hard, I mostly avoid them. I feel like they we're created specifically for 5 star broken characters. But there still is the option to co-op, which can at least guarantee 1 five star in the team, if you agree with me. And still with co-op, you hardly find decent ppl that don't judge you for what you pick or how much damage you deal

[@glyphgraph8436]

Yeah, while it is very sad to me that Hoyoverse seems contended with how the game flow right now, what most players don't realize is that Genshin is a very casual game and they intended it that way since the very beginning.. and i think they listen to the players, and i mean the casual side which is the majority of the player base.. So, i doubt that Genshin won't last, unless something happened (like another pandemic or ww3).. It's just that it won't grow into a game with its full potential that i ever hope for..

[@astra8372]

@@glyphgraph8436 imo, if they want it to be casual game then let the players lower the world level before level 5

[@imbored3782]

@Purple Crystal how are you not able to beat Childe

[@supernovae8551]

I have to admit, as a new player of a few weeks now, the idea that there are extremely significant story bits that I'll ostensibly never get to experience because they were part of a timed event makes me want to quit

[@sonadowfiend]

Seriously... I feel bad for people who missed Albedo's Impostor Event, because the nature of his birth and connection to Rhinedottir is truly significant lore.

[@cyanmage1]

its a gotcha game events come back its how these games work

[@supernovae8551]

@@cyanmage1 I sure hope so 🤞

[@SUPERNOOB20]

I mean you can always watch the cutscenes on KZbin, you know... sure, it may not be the same _watching_ it than _playing_ it but hey that's something right :D

[@giornogiostar3214]

@@SUPERNOOB20 Super Mega Ultra F*** that, it's a game and I want to experiencie it as such.

[@purefandom3659]

I also think the community's obsession with good artifacts, characters, and weapons is an issue. Obviously not something that can be controlled, but you don't need the best of the best to have fun. The starting characters work just fine, 4 star weapons are easy to get and work fine, and decent artifacts will carry you throughout the game. I think the game became more enjoyable for me when I stopped carrying about getting top teir stuff, but that's just me

[@theokra]

This is literally it. If people treated Genshin like a casual single-player rpg, they would enjoy it more. The community makes people feel inadequate for not having high constellations or high stats.

[@who2273]

you literally dont need artifacts. most of mine are purple and theres no problem with the enemies at high world levels. though levels and talents are built up (something that doesnt require deep RNG)

[@calvinwilson3617]

This is a result of resources being intentionally limited (resin)

[@-amel-9896]

Exactly, some players don't even want you to play with them if you have certain characters or if you don't do 2736283 damage. My hu tao makes 12k per charged attack and it's enough damage to kill any mob out here and yet some players made fun of me because it's "very low" damage when to me it's just fine enough and very fun to play. Just cuz she isn't as op as other hu tao players doesn't make her bad, and it's a lot less boring than an OP one that kills any enemy in two seconds. It's the community that made this problem in genshin. Being so overly obsessed with meta numbers and all. As long as you have fun while killing the enemy, that it isn't TOO hard and that you don't die that easily, it's fine. You don't need to make hundreds of thousands damage.

[@Zarya.]

When you’ve fully completed the game, there is literally nothing to do, so grinding insane artifacts and clearing abyss in record speeds is for most endgame players the only thing to keep them occupied in genshin whilst waiting for a new patch

[@errorglitch6191]

All of these issues combined with the fact that the game feels more like a chore than a *game* is ultimately going to be the downfall of Genshin. I played since the very beginning and when I completed Inazuma, I couldn't get myself to go any further because it all started to feel the same. Artifact farming, material farming, the stupid resin system, etc. are all things that make it so hard to fall in love with this game again. Even worse is the fact that after ALL that farming, there's NOTHING to do aside from the Abyss. And when you finish the Abyss, you're left with jacked up characters with absolutely nothing to do because the Abyss is the only real "late game" content that exists. At some point, it all just feels pointless.

[@kuvjason7236]

Woah!! Careful there, this statement is the same thing Tectone as has said and the *beE gRaTeFul 4 dA fREe gAmE* community were shitting on him.

[@Azal827]

damn, you forgot my huge issues of artifact farming is rng drop stats and substats, even worse is the leveling up substats is FUCKING RNG as well,

[@Azal827]

theres also resource farming talent too, i thought ill be fine with this, but the searching and collecting all resource with some stupid blockwall, absurd climbing and you have to wait 2-3 days to get refresh, spamming domains also wait for certain day to get the artifact you want, le weekly boss for that one material with rng drops, repeating endless cycle will eventually led you burnout with the game, and then starts with this feeling "i dont feel like playing the game now" lol

[@SuperTyrannt]

@@Azal827 I think they were including talent farming as a resource (there's so many and each is used by multiple characters so it may as well be) but yeah you're right, the combination of all these issues can cause burnout despite being a relatively young game. I've been play since day one (preregistered since I liked honkai) and I hardly log onto the game nowadays. I didn't get to finish 1.1 event and when they didn't rerun it I realized how flawed the game is. It doesn't even have a log in reward system ffs.

[@Azal827]

@@SuperTyrannt oh welp, gladfully theres a genshin archive channel on youtube so we can look up back to previous limited time event that we miss, also the login reward are all from hoyolab, but the login rewards are kinda meh

[@piercer5572]

I never noticed many of the issues with the damage scaling, but that’s probably because I thought I had a massive skill issue. Very interesting to see a newer player’s take on the issues of Genshin Impact. I do hope Genshin Impact improves for all players, but that is incredibly unlikely.

[@dragz3868]

honestly, I have been playing since raiden rerun in 2.5, and I haven't really had any problems with the scaling in inazuma. Maybe its cuz I payed attention to my weapons and artifacts as soon as I noticed the difficulty spike, and actually levelled my 4 star artifacts and levelled my weapons. I didnt need to lower my world level, and I didnt have any 5 star characters at the time (though I will admit I was using bennet + xiangling due to recommendations from my friends).

[@Souperdooperr]

@@dragz3868 I’m pretty sure they had a recent update that nerfed the inazuma enemies. Before that update, the inazuma enemies were very tanky and hard to defeat.

[@Souperdooperr]

@@dragz3868 actually I’m not really sure, it might’ve been how you built your characters

[@dragz3868]

@@Souperdooperr ah, then that could explain it

[@LibraritheWizardOfficial]

Inazuma enemies are undeniably tankier. I like not having everything die in a couple of hits, but I'm sure it would have been painful when I was still AR45 (fully ascended WL) and trying to work my way through all those fragile resin I stockpiled while mostly ignoring early game artifacts. Everything, everywhere, felt pretty darn tanky for a while. Luckily, I had friends who started at launch and rushed the game come carry me in tougher (dps checked) battles, like Andrius.

[@alyssaberg8507]

For the enemies list, I feel like there should more filters available. Instead of only filtering enemies by difficulty, they can also have options to sort by element. And maybe a search bar to pull up a specific enemy by name?

[@peach4246]

This^^

[@ryoid6001]

I want harder enemy

[@fajny.nick7]

sorting by name should be everywhere: enemies, inventory, craft table, food, teapot

[@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit.]

A better filter would be something like "Hillichurls", "Fatui", "Cubes", "Slimes" etc. Or maybe something related to the Region.

[@moncherfremi]

isnt it in the archieve tho?

[@vestal3430]

Tbh my biggest issue is that most characters (except some that are important to the story) are only pretty people made to make money and devoid of any personality

[@1braker]

That be gacha character design unfortunately. Appealing to someone's taste for money is prioritized over just making a genuinely cool character.

[@vestal3430]

@@1braker yeah, in contrast, Xenoblade 3 is going to launch and it also has a system where you get to know characters outside the main party and take them on your journey, but each one has a good backstory (told via a special quest) and actually good designs

[@VanessaLol421]

*cough cough... Raiden Ei...

[@Mib744]

Another big problem for new players: Lets say Sumeru is out and you get a new character from this region and you like this character... Good Luck with leveling them up past level 40, because you cant access the boss -> get the boss mats to ascend them (This happened to a mate of mine with Sara)

[@7rimurug508]

To fix this issue in the next map is to have locked all character in that region until you unlock the that map region

[@andywang7652]

@@7rimurug508 but then mihoyo don't make as much money and also players don't want to miss out on the rate up banner

[@xX-fd2qj]

@@andywang7652 I think the most likely thing is that since Sumeru is in the same landmass you can just walk there. Escalating Inazuma's issues would be bad for new player retention and hurt their bottom line and if they love one thing it's money.

[@andywang7652]

@@xX-fd2qj the easiest fix is to let players buy these materials from wandering traders or something like from Minecraft and terraria.

[@Xen-wy6bo]

Or add material exchange in the Alchemy

[@seabit253]

I love Genshin, but I completely agree about that getting lost thing. I joined around about midway through 2.6, so Ayaka's banner, and can say that I do feel a lot of sadness about the stuff I've missed, and the fact that every event seems to assume you've attended all the previous ones is very confusing. I get they're trying to build this world up, but the thing is that Genshin players are all starting at different stages, so it's not going to make sense to everyone, and the percentage of people it does make sense to is slowly dwindling. Narrative dissonance is not a good thing, and when I find myself skipping through the dialogue because I can't enjoy it, it shows there's a problem with your writing.

[@sxlproductions]

What? I genuinely feel the complete opposite with the newer events Since you must mean gaa(golden islands ) The only thing that they do is slightly talk about the last time with klees mother, but they expanded it by giving much more information about her rather than a voice mail like before But the whole kazuha part is literally a complete recap of the one in the iridori festival 2 updates ago, without even the resolve of what actually happened They treated the story like we never went through it and it angers me to have to go through it all again

[@Shadow_Hashbrown]

@@sxlproductions Then, wouldn't that make Genshin have a general problem with the storytelling? The examples both gave are kinda a proof of it.

[@velynnec]

the event thing also slightly bothers me, its happened a few times to me where characters I've never met before greet me like were buddies. I know the traveler has basically befriended the entirety pf teyvat at this point but it's still strange to meet someone new and have them tell they missed you

[@rin8310]

@@velynnec yes that's kind of a weird part lol, speciallt the fischl part of the GAA at mondts plaza. I havrnt even met fischl since i joined 2.2 and everyonr acts all buddy buddy which is understandable but weird for new players perspective.

[@cheesecheese6459]

I eman what are they meant to do

[@FranzSarmiento17]

I totally agree with limited time story events. Incredibly bad idea. I really feel sorry for those who missed Klee's story on Golden Apple Archipelago. It's back now, but the story is different, and the last one was really incredibly precious.

[@loftikuss]

I more hate that they lock important character stories behind these quests. I skipped the last one with the oceanid because xiao was - again- fanserviced into it (the poetry liyue/mond event) and later people told me that we actually learn all kind of diona's past and meaningful context to her. and this is a super bad move

[@phis7567]

zdym its back now

[@lilacdragon17329]

I haven't really thought of this before but... everytime I get into combat, my only thought is "beat the enemy as fast as possible". All, or at least most of the enemies (especially the newer ones) have super annoying mechanics like jumping away from you, or have obscure ways to make themselves invincible (and don't communicate it well towards the player either), and on top of that we have to kill maybe hundreds of then to get enough drops for farming purposes, so you just don't wanna engage with them at all, or as little as possible. At least to me, this is what drives me mostly to get as good artifacts as possible so i can get rid of them asap, but it's a really sad realization too. Even the boss-tier mobs are guilty of this, they wait around and waste your time way too much (unless you're doing some kind of self-imposed challenge, then it can be kinda fun)

[@JoeSmithGOAT]

That's literally EVERY GAME You want to beat enemies ASAP

[@garakstailorshop]

@@JoeSmithGOAT in mobile legend I have fun beating enemies

[@RebelTheArtGal]

@@garakstailorshop And your priority ISN'T beating them as fast as possible?

[@partiallyaghostt]

I think a good solution for letting players play old events without taking up too much storage is for the events to be something the players chooses to download the content for separately. Then afterwards they can chose to uninstall that event content. Maybe there could be a separate menu for them like the hangout events. I’ve played on and off since the summer of 2021, and man I wish I could play all the events I didn’t see.

[@АннаЗинурова]

~10 GBs of seen pre-rendered CGIs just getting on my nerves. Also inability to choose 1st voiceover from launcher. (You had to download ENG for the 1st download and only then manually choose JPN from the game's options...)

[@Riealomea]

Yeah say that to mobile player them gonna riot

[@andrewmurphy8234]

Spoken like a true pc player 😅

[@WinndyCakes]

This is the best idea, for all players really (even mobile), and what kind of makes this worse is that Hoyo ALREADY does this with one of their other games, Honkai Impact 3rd. So not only are they totally capable of doing it with Genshin, they are with another game, which makes it all the more frustrating. I started playing the beginning of this year, so I obviously missed everything before then. I hate that I missed out on the first intro to Scaramouche, Albedo's quests, the Golden Apple arc. It's fine to have missed the mini game events, but locking important story content in time limited events is dumb. Even if one doesn't get the rewards, the ability for a new player to experience the events for themselves in some way should still be there.

[@Riealomea]

@@WinndyCakes But how that the problem?... Every single content would take space and pc player would not have a problem with this but how about mobile players?... Them will not like it and riot over it

[@marsheep4991]

As someone who has been playing since late October 2021 I can confirm the limited time event issue. I get to play the Albedo event but I had 0 context about him, same with Scaramouche I had no idea who he was. I know almost nothing about the islands of the next update and I have never meet Mona. I think at least an "Event Archive" should be added to provide context for new players.

[@lexiiify]

i agree with you but how have you never met mona when she has a story quest? unless you’re a lower lvl and haven’t unlocked it that is

[@rtg9733]

@@lexiiify They mean the Unreconciled Stars event of patch 1.1 . The event where we met Mona, Fischl, Scara and it was one of the best event, according to the old players.

[@lexiiify]

@@rtg9733 yea i know but you can still meet mona in her story quest so you do meet her without unrecoiled stars

[@rtg9733]

@@lexiiify Yeah, i have done her story quest too. But doing the limited timed events, the interactions are kinda much better. How meeting Tsumi and Chad Endou in the Enkanomia event was amazing and the Iradori festival had interactions like Klee meeting Yoimiya and Kazuha basically reuniting with his friends in Inazuma.

[@ayatoIuvr]

i started playing in late october 2021 too so i completely feel you. the albedo event went over my head and it took me weeks if not months before i could understand it all.

[@satrunseas]

For the event stories, it can be like Cookie Run: Kingdom where u can just replay the scenes and dialogue but you won't gain any rewards. Just the fun of learning the story. For the 2.8 island event we are just going back to the Golden Apple Archipelago. But if new players that weren't in the 1st archipelago event, they wouldn't know the story how or why the islands are there. Maybe Hoyoverse will add something like an extra dialogue for new players during the story, but it still won't solve the issue where the new players won't know the full story. Edit: i did not know people were going to actually see this comment- i thought this was going to be another random comment in a sea of comments ._.

[@Mongoliantiger]

There is alot of us who give 0 fucks about the story and just wants the bothersome stuff over it

[@Awesoemfella]

they're using characters that werent there in the first GAA event so to newer players they will be experiencing the islands for the first time like the characters and the older players will just go along with it since while they themselves know what happens, the characters in the story dont

[@part-timedebiru9681]

They can make it such that for certain timed events that are sequels, newer players can choose to unlock and play the prequel event only during the event period. But i dont think this will work well for events like lantern rite tho

[@chrono4998]

@@Mongoliantiger so? you can just NOT replay the cutscenes

[@pontoancora]

For that we can use youtube

[@Corvus_quinquus]

there is one issue i find with new characters : more characters mean that older characters will get less and less screentime/lore time. and also will make more dificult to keep track of every single character history line. they could do like honkai and put "upgraded/alternative" versions of some characters as the story progress.

[@beelzebub33]

I hate that in honkai

[@SunsetDaFreezer]

I find this issue painful because my fav character is literally the first character you meet in the game so with all these new ones coming out, I see him less and less 😥😥😥

[@sungvin]

@@SunsetDaFreezeris it Amber?

[@Asyipyip]

one of my frustrations with this game in regards to difficulty isnt just that the enemies have more health/do more damage, bc honestly, as a zhongli-haver it doesnt phase me at all. my main problem is it seems almost every new mob they add jumps away from you. CONSTANTLY. in a game where a big amount of combat is setting up skills/bursts in one location, having the mobs jump away from said locations constantly is fucking infuriating and is not fun/engaging gameplay.

[@neykoucing]

also the anti shield wolves that also harms the rest of your party

[@ashy5808]

Its game design to boost other character like Yoimiya and yae who domt give F about range and gives disadvantage to melee characters. I think its not bad as it balances and give every character opportunity to shine. If one completes the whole game with just national then theres no point in new characters

[@nascentKiller]

@@ashy5808 But with Yae and Yoimiya especially, they are built for deep wallet players. And usually most enemies that do that still run away from bursts, even if the burst is ranged.

[@RemedieX]

@@neykoucing Yeah those wolves are just poor design. You used barrier, so not only is it enough to punish you for using barrier by making the enemies enraged, but your entire team must die too. Perfectly balanced and good design. Smh

[@vibingzilla5097]

@@RemedieX These wolves are actually good for the game. If there are no enemy that's strong against shields, then people who got Zhonli will be able to tank all enemies in all regions, and people will just ignore healers forever, cause why bother with healing when the enemies don't even damage me in the first place? And even if their damage ignores shields, it's really weak, to the point where my level 60 Diona's healing can keep my characters alive, and if you have stronger healers like Jean or Barbara, then they are just some annoying flying trash.

[@ch33t4h_5]

I loved genshin impact for a really long time, and I couldn’t figure out why I stopped loving it. It just got boring, but, there was so much to do that I didn’t know how it got that way. The story quests were amazing, the fighting style was fun, it was an experience I could share with my friends. But I’m not sure, maybe the microtransactions and endless gacha soured it, even though those were charming in their own way. It still confuses me.

[@LeviAckerman-zh7bf]

So you stop playing it?

[@pom_k1n]

I thought I liked the game, but then realized that the only thing keeping me playing were the world quests where you had to solve fun puzzles and what not. now i just do my dailies and log off :,)

[@yosemitesam9576]

Just stop playing, literally the best thing you can do for a game is let your brain rest a small bit and do something else.

[@ronzandromorante2655]

@@LeviAckerman-zh7bf anyone would stop playing if they felt that it's not fun anymore

[@newp0rt]

this game has the least aggressive MTX in the mobile gaming business though. theres no cancer popups every 10 seconds. you can only buy genesis xtals/primos which get you characters but it doesnt really get u anything other than that really. i guess u get more books/mora but being f2p u can easily max out a character each time they release if u get them from saved resources. i never understood why people rip on genshin so hard for its MTX/p2w shit when its literally the least p2w gacha ive ever played. i havent spent a dime, have all the chars i want, 36 star abyss. every other mobile game ive played, if u dont spend money u will almost always feel like a weak piece of shit and way behind everyone.

[@KalmiaFGC]

The only reason I come back to Genshin is because of my fear of missing out I see a lot of ppl I follow online still talk about it and I am kinda interested in the lore, I do enjoy fighting and making my characters strong but grinding for artifacts is so tiring sometimes especially since my characters aren't that strong overall (despite playing since albedos first banner lol) I just wish genshin had some replayability and didn't make lore time limited because I do want to actually enjoy the game how I used to enjoy it again

[@Malam_NightYoru]

bro you need strong characters to farm, but you're farming to get strong characters this don't make sense to me. why farming to be strong is hard in the first place???????? you're supposed to already be strong to become strong?????????????

[@b1mbap]

If you enjoy the game ok,but if you don't, do not force yourself. I dropped Genshin and I have a bit of curiosity about it from time to time, but I won't play it again simply because 90% of the worldwide population plays it, and it's really talked a lot online.

[@Malam_NightYoru]

@@b1mbap i play it sometimes, i enjoy it, but i can't farm cuz i find it boring. so i play history when there is one, and just stay months without playing

[@b1mbap]

@@Malam_NightYoru for me, I dropped Genshin permanently. If I want to enjoy a game, I want to enjoy it completely, from farming to story to gameplay. So if I do not like any of these things, I quit. The story is 90% filler so yeah, I don't want to play Genshin "just for the story". Also, how do you not farm in Genshin? Aren't you like obliged to? Genshin adds with each new update stronger enemies, so how you beat them?

[@lex0655]

@@b1mbap i stopped playing genshin for a bit aswell might play a lot when sumeru is out and see how that goes

[@HisRoyalMajestyKingofWeedshire]

It appears it lasted for a good 2 years after this video was released and is still going strong, actually.

[@caseyimiller]

The big hint for me even though I’m still a daily player since launch was that the Story Quests feel horrible and they’re supposed to be the main part of the game. The intro has us fly into the sky to fight Dvalin and it is very jarring as this experience is nowhere else to be found. It makes it seem disconcerted, also the lore is delivered way less efficiently than it could be. Some people enjoy hunting for lore but imo a good story shows itself, it doesn’t hide to give you a sense of accomplishment just for connecting dots

[@kellyjohana516]

Specially because those dots will connect themselves anyways in future updates.

[@advakart4208]

genshin's story is weird... i'd say the general plot is subpar garbage. paimon's interventions are annoying, npc dialogue feels very exaggerated and unnatural, it just feels like a bad generic anime. but the lore is so damn good. i feel like i am discovering souls lore all over again. idk how to feel about it lol

[@JoeSmithGOAT]

That Dvalin fight was extra for no reason lmao The flight part wasn't even good it'a just something you do for like 2 mins.

[@narius_jaden215]

I mean I like the story quests but that's subjective so I suppose that makes sense.

[@thiendaifull]

Nowadays, I just skip the story; I just play the game for the exploration part. If I want a good story, I'd rather just read a novel.

[@jigshawpuzzle]

When I strted on Ganyu's first banner, it was a decent game, and I played for over a year. I had to stop playing with this update because of how freaking big this game is! And as a f2p player it was getting extremely hard for me to do things like spiral abyss as it was too laggy (also could be a computer problem for me lol) and the enemies were too high level. it wasn't fun at all, and I feel like people will complain about Sumeru when it's released

[@zane6304]

I hate the Sumeru update they barely even made a dark-skinned character which is disappointing due the sumeru being inspired by a place where dark-skinned people exist

[@R0vii_]

@@zane6304 that’s true I wish they would add more darker skinned characters but I think it’s because they are only releasing the rainforest area of the region and people who would live in that region tend to have lighter skin tones than the ones that would live in the desert region, I do hope that they will give us more darker skinned characters but they aren’t really obligated to do so it would be awesome if they did

[@jvde96art67]

​@@zane6304 there was a dark skin character though ,and I felt like it was more based on arabic regions, there in the fertail regions more people r whiter than u can imagine, the desert region has dark skies people, so they might come later on and hoyoverse didn't release anything official so let's not jump to conclusions

[@_3.14]

Zane fr. AND HAVE U SEEN THE ARCHON? Sumeru Charas are so disappointing in that aspect, their skin tones don’t match their region, and ik it’s their game and the Can do whatever they want, but, as of today, we only have like 2 tan-skinned charas, and idk, I think it’s kinda boring seeing everyone looking the same

[@starblossom05]

@@zane6304 the thing is most people already though either Sumeru or Nathan should be the Nastion where many dark time Character whould be. I also though Sumeru have many dark time Character but there was t little info back then now understand it a rainforest i started think Nathan should be it die fact it is the Pyro Nastion and probely a sand place or something but i angree i do wish to see more Times Character

[@Ruinthewriter]

THANK YOU for addressing the real pressing issue with longevity, especially from the POV of a new player who is in full agreement: Not enough hot men. But for real, I started a few weeks ago and got Ayaka as my very first five star, and it was so sad to realize she's going to be underleveled super soon because I can't access her mats. :(

[@growingsage]

Lmao. I agree with the lack of hot men. While the guys we do get are pretty quality, I can tell I'm not the target market for this game. So far Sumeru leaks have only shown one(or 2, can't remember of tighnari is male) guy being added while the rest are girls. I feel a little pushed out.

[@contraGP]

LMAO. Agreed, not only that but they need to put the men in sluttier outfits just like they do with the girls 😤

[@violetrose8779]

@@growingsage it also sucks how the dendro archons gender was changed to a girl instead

[@redhakii5141]

@@violetrose8779 sadly that was a mistranslation, really sucked

[@anabel4695]

@@growingsage the timeline shows we're getting a number of male characters in sumeru actually. tighnari > cyno > scaramouche > baizhu > Al Haitham. we also have new leaks about the harbingers being playable. so I'm quite excited about that.

[@mafuxmafuxmafuxmafu]

Wow. This was back when people played Venti as meta

[@SWuWafrog_24]

the biggest problem, well for content enjoyers, is the fact that genshin's 90% selling point is behind time-gated events. after they are gone, you basically have nothin to do in the game. i am a casual player so i don't complain about artifact rng and abyss, but because i play this game for the stories, new areas and mechanisms, it gets boring after the event is done

[@nuggetsschumaker4371]

unpopular opinion: when you level up and enemies get high HP and high damage, it does not make it harder, it just takes longer to kill the average enemy. Imagine upgrading your equipment thinking you would take less to kill the average enemy, but the game buffs the enemies more than you per level and it ends up taking more and more time to kill regardless of how much time you put into it. Unless you are at the top levels, the average enemies turn into a bunch of mini-boss-like enemies that you can't just brush it off.

[@whysoserious4274]

Yep the correct term for this is bullet sponge enemies Their health is so stacked it feels like it takes you a week to kill it Other games suffer from this as well and it's one of those things that ultimately kill the fun of the game. With a game like genshin where you're constantly using the same skills and basic attacks with no combo in place to deal higher dmg then it gets old really quick.

[@worstkiterchan9207]

It is very visible when you compare Liyue and Inazuma, even The same enemies. Yes, Inazuma enemies are higher level, but they take longer than they used to - i get that woaaah Inazuma region scary hard new region! But no. It is just annoying. Mondstadt is a bit too fast for my liking, but Liyue/early Inazuma is The right speed. The issue I have rn is fricking Enkanomiys.

[@whysoserious4274]

@@worstkiterchan9207 I quit the game when I fought shogun the first time She was incredibly stacked with health I couldn't get past her cuz not only was she so tanky but did a lot of dmg with one or two hits. I went back to artifact farming hopefully to get better artifacts for my team to beat her but it wasn't enough after days of farming Game was not kind to me Never gave me artifacts with the right stats Talk about a chore and no fun at all. I even lowered the world level to see if I could maybe get it done but nope. I'm honestly glad I quit the game it was stressing me out. But it is a bit sad I won't get to see the end of the story cuz I really liked it I could go back and try again but there's no way I'm going to endure all of that just for a good story I need more reasons to go back to the game. Sorry I wrote a lot

[@cataclysmicat9551]

@@whysoserious4274 you really need to focus more on talents than artifacts. decent artifacts with near-max talents can easily clear floor 12 in abyss...

[@whysoserious4274]

@@cataclysmicat9551 well too late now I'm done with genshin I'm never going back again As much as I want to and check out the story Inazuma just took the fun out of it tbh. That plus the resin and the other limitations the game has It really became a chore for me.

[@potatosan1879]

I think, for the really important time events like the Unreconciled Stars one, they should allow newer players to revisit it by adding it in as a player specific event. Kinda like how newer players can get Xiangling for free by doing that quest.

[@Gregoroveich]

Do you mean Barabara? I thought Xiangling was an abyss reward.

[@loocydity6119]

I think it's a really good idea but, events = more space = bad news for mobile players I think if they want to apply this idea, they gotta figure out how people can download and delete an event at will. And not to mention, they gotta put in EVERY single event from 1.1

[@pokemaniac3977]

This video aged like milk. Not only Genshin is still massive, but other Hoyoverse games and Gacha titles like WuWa are making billions in revenue.

[@thatrandomguy7944]

This speaks volume on how genshin managed to brainwash people into thinking that gacha games are fine

[@NeO_chippie]

@@thatrandomguy7944 bro just accept the truth

[@hamzajalal1658]

Nah bro its dying lmao. I'm a day 1 player the hype is nothing like it was before even other hoto game hsr has more players

[@HassanIfshaan]

@@hamzajalal1658genshin has three times amount of players hsr has btw. Hsr monthly player count is 20 million whereas genshin is still managing 60 million monthly

[@hamzajalal1658]

@@HassanIfshaan alot of the numbers are fake. go check our the social medias and interactions now and compare them to before

[@NoBodyUKnow100]

"I would argue the problems facing brand new players are more important" Honestly, very much the best way to look at this. Thousands upon thousands of takes, shreds of advice, angry comments, and intelligent conversation can be said for the end game, or limited time story relevant content, all of which can be valid in it's own right. But the most important part of a game's lifespan is it's early game. How it hooks, treats, teaches and introduces players to the game is what keeps a game going strong for years upon years on end, and if the game "gets good after [X] hours" then the game is being developed wrong. Plus the person claiming that is genuinely not making a good case for their game, in fact doing the exact opposite with what that implies in the mind of the prospective new player. The introduction should reflect the best part of the game once it has it's identity so someone who is just as likely to drop your hard made product as they are to keep playing when they start has incentive to keep going. Sadly, this is a key piece of design that seems gravely overlooked in a lot of games, some of them even actively sabotaging themselves in this manner (Elsword, a game I have a decade of experience in, as an example of this since they have removed so much of what made the early game intriguing and fun), and only serves as the gateway to squandering the potential games like Genshin have. Mind, I do enjoy Genshin at it's gameplay level overall, and agree with essentially all of the points made in the video, but even with my own bias aside, it's hard to deny with reasonable evaluation that Genshin does have great potential, especially evidenced by it's explosive release. The new player experience is key, and a lot of problems we see now such as the numbers bloat of so many leveling systems in place, the limited time story relevant quests which really should not be a concept in the first place, the lopsided and unfun progression and play of one's team, and the equal parts unbelievably arcane and baffling steps taken to "balance" the world around the player being targeted at END GAME players rather than around reasonable expectation of a steady progression could be solved by addressing the gap between Monstadt/Liyue and Inazuma. Fixing the "Dent in the armor" that is the difficulty curve will lead to fixing the numbers bloat will lead to fixing the progression and so on and so forth. It would be a process but it's not too late, just a LOT of work and some lost dollars.

[@fangservicex2964]

I didn't read your entire comment, too long, but I disagree with "new players' experience is more important in any game". Couldn't be more wrong there. Nearly every game I've played, has failed when it focused on newer players over veteran ones. It's easy to get into games, it's not easy to keep a steady retention for 1+ year. The commitment and player retention is the primary, literally primary carrier for any gacha game. The retention factor is what keeps the game going. I've seen major games that started out so well, but then didn't care anything about veteran players, as a result of which were discarded by said players. Veteran players look for "a valuable experience", and that's what genshin is doing right. It's engaging enough at the beginning anyway, so that newer players are easily getting into it. One of my friends is AR55 in just 88 days. So no, I disagree entirely with your idea. I've always believed a game succeeds with the retention of veteran players. Specially a game that is story oriented, version update oriented, and a game that is meant to complete in atleast 5 years.

[@NoBodyUKnow100]

@@fangservicex2964 Completely fair. I don't blame anyone for disagreeing in the end because of how complicated of an issue it is, and admittedly, while the new player experience is undeniably important, as things stand currently, Genshin does have one that works well enough, for the most part. There are significantly more problems, like what you brought up here and in the video, that must be addressed too at the same time, if not sooner, as things currently stand. That being said, I don't believe I am wrong in saying that once a game has it's identity the new player experience should mirror the best parts of a game if it means to survive, but that's a given considering it's my opinion and I naturally have my own bias to it. In the end, though, I know we both are saying our own piece in the direction of "I mostly like Genshin and want it to be good". Thank you for indulging my take for the most part, at the least. Interesting to know your stance and thoughts more in depth in what I viewed as a crucial step.

[@starblu377]

That elsword comment hit home about how initial release was something exciting to look forward to. However, they gutted so many mechanics to make end game unbelievably hard without spending money or spending copious amount of time. I'm talking about months to years if you're playing daily. I really hope Genshin doesn't get to that point and gut it's game for the sake of money making. It has a lot of potential but we will have to see if Mihoyo wants to listen their overall audience. I hope one day some of those limited time events could be permanent or on a rotation for people to experience again.

[@darkrite9000]

@@NoBodyUKnow100 While I do understand new player experience is important, it's not as important as veteran player retention. Now that said, I do think there's some ways Genshin could implement systems to make the early parts of the game better for newer players. But at the same time, I'd rather focus on implementing things that'd help most everyone. Making it so artifacts have some aspect of control to them, would help things immensely. I recommend a system to be able to reroll a stat for a different stat, maybe it's just 1 stat, maybe you reroll all substats, maybe you can lock a substat and mainstat but the rest are rerolled, there's any number of ways they could approach it, and all of them would improve things immensely, regardless of whether you're a veteran or new player. Also resin should recharge faster and you should have more (5 min recharge with 280 to 300 max). This would help everyone again, if resin is more plentiful, then you don't need to worry about doing sub-optimal early artifact farming while you try to reach the AR lvl for 5 star artifacts. And you'd have more resin to farm more things much faster, overall a generally good change. Adding more end game content, as spiral abyss is currently the only thing that refreshes regularly that can be considered endgame. Additional endgame content would vastly improve things for veteran players who're bored. I'd also add in content that's easily accessible mid-game to let newer players get things earlier, small zones, like a pocket region, in a domain in certain earlier areas. These areas would have some specialty items from a different region (like say Inazuma, despite you not reaching it yet). The boss for these interesting domains could be the bosses specific to that region, but they rotate every day. Meaning it's not easy to farm mats for characters when you don't have their region unlocked yet, but could still technically farm them while you work towards unlocking said region. I'd also make all the event story quests permanent (though the golden apple archipelago, summer event islands would be rather hard to do given the limited space for phones since Genshin devs want to keep the mobile playerbase, as such that one may not be as simple to just add back in), as most are in regions we can get to when they would otherwise be relevant. This would somewhat help with the supposed difficulty spike when reaching Inazuma (though honestly there's plenty of games with a difficulty spike you need to overcome, FGO has several, one being the Camelot singularity, there's also some spots in Dark Souls, or Nioh which also have difficulty spikes). The other thing that helps would be those earlier domains that're mini-regions, as it'd be something you could choose the difficulty of due to it being a domain of sorts. Also the statement "the game gets good after X hours" being bad is kinda untrue in certain aspects. Sure if the statement is "The game gets good after you've put in 100 hours or so" then it'd not be ideal. But if it's "The game gets good after 10 to 30 hours" then it's not really bad, especially for a gacha game or even an mmo. Cause Genshin being a gacha game, means you would be putting hundreds of hours into it, so spending a fraction of that to reach a good spot would be fine. It's just the way gacha games are, now Genshin does have an alright opening act in my opinion. The only problem being it takes a bit before you can actually get a free 10 roll for your "tutorial roll", well compared to other gacha games at any rate. It would also help if they buffed older characters, and added some of the limited 5 stars to the permanent pool. They might eventually do this, since Honkai does it, but who knows how long before they start doing so. And lastly they could drop the pity to 50, with hard pity being 100 for the guarantee (mostly cause it's a nice number to look at and is more reasonable). The new player experience may not be the most ideal, but it's not terrible right now, might be worse later on if they don't implement anything similar to what I've recommended.

[@fengyizen6319]

@@fangservicex2964 yes I really agree 👍👍👍💯💯

[@spacecowboy6801]

The only reason I won't quit Genshin is beacuse I spent money on it. It's sad because I remember it being so fun in late 2020

[@Bereceii]

same, wasted birthday money for Ganyu and Kokomi, didn’t even get them in the end. (only difference is that genshin took way to much storage so I HAD to quit)

[@cherobu2288]

This is one reason why I never spend money on gacha games. I really do not want to spend money and regret wasting that money when I eventually stop playing months later.

[@Bereceii]

I really wish someone told me that advice when I started playing 🥲

[@Naizurr]

Just spend all your money on another thing so you'll be inclined to move to that ezpz

[@Bereceii]

When I first downloaded genshin I would only that that for hours at a time (2-6 hours a day on weekends 💀) so I never really had anything else to waste my money on lol

[@jellykid2707]

I am so glad you touched on the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE with genshin rn ..... There's indeed a lack of hot men 😔

[@KTam853]

I’m one of the long-time players (Start of Version 1.1) and my main issue with newer enemies is how much they’re constantly shifting away from you, they’re too heavy to knock down, or just both. Genshin’s combat (especially in abyss) takes a lot of time setting up skills and bursts which are stuck in one location and it’s so annoying when an enemy can just… walk away and don’t even get me started on how much I just gave up on crowd control on later floors… Literally what’s the point of crowd control when everything is too heavy to control spectres have NO RIGHT BEING THAT HEAVY OMFG

[@lamsect]

funnily enough, mobs that just floats or run away are my favourite, as i can just destroy them as a yoimiya main.

[@Jaz-tk5vx]

I wholeheartedly agree with you on story content being removed from the game after a couple of weeks. It’s incredibly stupid. I actually started playing during the Unreconciled Stars event in 1.1, however I was just learning the game and had no idea there was a timed event happening until it was over. I curse Mihoyo all the time for robbing me of the chance to participate in that story. Mona and Fischl are finally reappearing together in 2.8, but it doesn’t change the fact that they keep removing quality story content from the game for no discernible reason. Like, make the rewards limited time if you want, and the mini games, but the story should be permanent. It’s just common sense. I don’t know. Apparently this is par for the course in gacha games.

[@HydroXCP]

Tbh, I think it’s just Genshin that removes access to event stories. But, they do seem to be making some changes. Take Perilous Trail for example. . The story is intact since it’s an Interlude, but the combat/rewards were time-limited. Soon, Genshin will allow the option to delete past story events to save space. I hope they’ll add event stories as Interludes in the future whenever they backtrack… but that’s probs hoping for too much xd. More reasonable to believe event stories going forward have a chance to not be patch-dependent.

[@Jesus.H.Christ.]

This. I didn't even realize Scaramouche was an important character until he appeared in that one Inazuma quest 💀

[@Aerith-77x]

The "no discernable" reason you're looking for is memory space. Majority of the people that play this game are on mobile. The game was designed for mobile. It's better on bigger devices but was ultimately created for mobile. It's unfortunate, it really is. But that's just how the cookie crumbles. If you want to experience the limited time events, you have to during their runs. That's what keeps people playing. It's the same as watching a movie in a cinema vs watching it at home on TV. If someone just got into cinema now, don't you think they'd prefer watching films like "Inception" "Dune" "Interstellar" or "Doctor strange" on the big screen? Yeah they would, because that's the better experience. But why isn't that possible? Because for the theaters to make space for the newer ones, they have to let go of the older ones. Would you berate a theater for keeping "Spiderman No Way Home" in its theaters for 6 weeks the same way you berate Hoyoverse with Genshin? No, you wouldn't. The difference is that with the cinema you've come to understand what it is and how the system works. It's unfortunate that so many don't get to experience the big screen experience to movies they want for a multitude of reasons, but that's the pull. If you want to, you're incentivized to when it's still available. It's the same with genshin, the difference is that too many people in this community refuse to accept what genshin is. They're constantly trying to morph it into something it isn't. Be it a endless endgame game like Destiny, a PvP game like Call of Duty, or some sort of endless cache of story regardless of space. Genshin just simply isn't that type of game. Accept it and keep quiet, don't accept it and move on. Either way, stop making noise.

[@HydroXCP]

@@Aerith-77x Essentially I’d like an approach similar to Honkai, where it asks if you want to download basic resources or all assets, in terms of each story content. And with the new update, offer to uninstall completed content to cut back on storage space. ------------------ Your theater analogy to compare storage space mostly makes sense to me. However, the game comparison isn’t really relevant to the genres Genshin are hitting: mobile gachas and role-playing games. Genshin is a PvE RPG, so you can’t really compare it to a PvP FPS like CoD. The only PvP content is Windtrace, which is an event as it probably should be. I don’t know enough about Destiny, but Genshin is still a live service WIP, so it’s not the best comparison, I think. I haven’t really seen too many people make those comparisons either. In my opinion, watching movies greatly differ from the experience of watching cutscenes in video games. The cutscenes are somewhat interactive (even if it just boils down to the illusion of choice and moving around on the map), whereas watching movies are more passive of an experience. The main point is that certain events in Genshin are time-limited. Not based on account progress, but based on the passage of real time. And these stories are relevant to the game’s lore and plot. Unlike the theater slot space example, these stories depend on each other. Genshin is also planning to allow players to delete past events (including voice files) to save storage space on their device. I’m hoping this applies to Hangouts (use the key then download resources; uninstall option once 100%). So I’m somewhat optimistic that Genshin can retroactively add the event stories to the game with plot relevance, similar to that of Perilous Trail (no event rewards).[Altho a GBF approach would be nice…] Ideally these can be made as packets to download on the side after reaching certain progress in the game (download then uninstall when finished, like in GBF or Guardian Tales), or Genshin can rerun the story events after some time (like in Dragalia). On your forced choice, I shall pick neither- I will continue to not accept it and not keep quiet about it. I think it could be a helpful feature for new and old players alike, as Genshin is a story-based game. I’ll probably bring this up during the next relevant survey period.

[@Jaz-tk5vx]

@@Aerith-77x It wasn't my intention, but clearly I offended you. I'm fully aware of what Genshin Impact is, and (aside from the absolute torture of artifact acquisition) I have made peace with that fact. I will say, your example of seeing a film in theaters vs. seeing it at home is poorly chosen. When a film leaves theaters, it doesn't vanish from existence. You didn't miss your one and only chance to ever see it. You can buy infinite copies of the film and watch it at your leisure on your phone, on your computer or on your 200 inch flat screen television. In a game like Genshin, in order to "take part" in a story event you missed, you have to hope someone else recorded it and posted it online somewhere. And then you have to hope they didn't skip whole swathes of dialog or choose a conversation option you wouldn't have picked. A pathetic way to experience video game content, if I'm to be honest. If I were to guess, I would say you are a mobile-only player and you are extremely hateful of PC and Playstation players discriminating against you for "holding the game back." I am no such person. But even if that isn't the case, I advise you to stop jumping to conclusions and, in the future, refrain from telling people to "keep quiet and stop making noise."

[@sofi_773]

It’s the artifact farming for me tbh. My Eula is pretty much a potato because all the artifacts I get for her have unnecessary stats. Klee is benched because pyro domain drops nothing good for her and she’s already squishy as it is. The rolls are also ridiculous. The one time I got the perfect artifact for Xiao, it brought up ER to 22% instead Crit dmg which is 14% and Crit Rate 4% 🤡 and most domains drop flat hp or def. Also, they need more content. There’s more side quest than main storyline.

[@Uefeti]

Why.. did you get 3 separate 5* dps character, who are not synergystic at all with each other? You litteraly spread your resources between at least 3 teams, instead of narrowing them on one. Btw there are always more side-quests than main story, that is literally the point of sides

[@sofi_773]

@@Uefeti who said I use all 3 together though? 💀

[@sofi_773]

@@Uefeti the fact that you even came to that conclusion without even asking my teams comps is funny to me.

[@imtiredtiredtired]

I hear you, i hear you. I'm still looking for decent Crimson Witch artifact for my Hu Tao. Aand i'm also planning to roll on Yoimiya's banner so yeay, more backlog. Crimson Witch, more like Crimson B*tch lmao fk that domain in particular

[@your_average_cultured_dude]

I've been farming blizzard strayer for ayaka from january till june every single day (no resin refills) and I only have 2 decent artifacts. I'm close to reaching AR58 and my only characters with good artifacts are ganyu and yae miko. From june till today I've been farming EOSF daily for Yelan and Ei and still don't have a single really good artifact. Like yeah I still 36* abyss every time but sometimes just barely. Ayaka, Eula, Yelan, Ei, Xingqiu, Xiangling are all sitting with mediocre artifacts after playing for well over a year. Good thing there are characters like zhongli, bennett and sucrose who don't really need good artifacts, because I wouldn't even be able to pass abyss 12 without them

[@CGFillertext]

I think a big issue is new character materials being locked to new areas. I also started when Yoimiya’s banner was running, one of my first characters was Sayu from that banner Sayu’s ascension materials are of course all the way in Inazuma. So I, as a new player, couldn’t access them until I got all the way to inazuma and then to the specific island where Crystal Marrow spawns. I wasn’t going to lug around a lv 20 character for that long, so I just let Sayu collect dust By the time I actually got to Inazuma, I already had anemo characters (like Sucrose) and claymores (like Xinyan and Beidou) that I liked more both as characters and their playstyle Fingers crossed that Hoyo fixes this by giving you an option to trade materials at the crafting station or something (like give these valberries to get sea granoderma)

[@xxri]

this happened to me with sayu too 😭 they need to add something like marjorie's shop but for local specialties, so that we don't have to wait potentially months to use new characters .. although this could be an inazuma issue only since the rest of the regions are supposed to be on the mainland, and hypothetically we should be able to just walk right in

[@CGFillertext]

@@xxri I’m not sure, bc if you try go into Liyue before you’re allowed (aka still playing through Mondstadt’s story) it boots you away

[@BlackGateofMordor]

It's entirely possible for someone to get to Inazuma well before they need characters over lvl50 since the AR requirement is pretty low, and you don't need boss mats until the lvl40 ascension. You'll be able to waltz into Sumeru and the rest of the mainland at AR1, so unless you roll for a limited character from Inazuma or they start adding them to the standard banner, what's the problem?

[@xxri]

@@BlackGateofMordor it's hypothetical tho, at ar 1 you can't leave the starfell lake area so ..

[@lilypad2714]

That happened to me too, I got Itto on his first banner at like 30 pity when I’d only started the game a couple of days prior, and he could only stay at level 40 until I got to Inazuma and so I couldn’t play him for a long time. And ofc when I first played the stupid wolf boss I just cut my losses and didn’t level him until recently cause I hate that boss with a passion.

[@Algreion]

I remember watching this two years ago and agreeing, but it naturally didn't go like this and I think the game will last at least a few more years after the teyvat chapter ends in 8.0 Mihoyo is finally giving us QoL and decent rewards, and as long as the updates stay consistent the chance of the game dying are negligible luckily

[@Nixxiian]

I remember my friend pulled Yelan back when she came out but the problem they were facing was the fact that if you wanted to ascend her you had to have the chasm unlocked in order to do the ruin serpent and keep in mind he was only on Liyue so he basically wasn't even able to use Yelan until he got to the chasm which I fear for sumeru and new players because with the new 5 star dendro characters coming out and their resources will most likely be in sumeru it will basically be impossible for newer players to play said characters.

[@potatothings7223]

the chasm is open from the start though? Inazuma is locked due to story issues. Every other region is connected with land.

[@hemera5518]

Quick question. Can you dive into the Chasm from day one as a new player, skipping Inazuma completely? IDK about it since I'm not a new player. This is a genuine question because if so, then Ascending Yelan won't be that much of a chore unless you can't access Chasm Interior from the get-go

[@Kabaji]

you need like AR30 to unlock inazuma, not sure about the Chasm, but around that AR anything go, you can just get Yelan to lvl 30 with the free mats from the trial and give her a decent weapon its enough to stomp though everything

[@o2chlss]

@@hemera5518 you can, but you also need to complete the world quest titled "Surreptitious Seven-Star Seal Sundering"

[@tatakai1286]

This might the case for locked places like the chasm but the other nations will be open and accessible by land even before you reach their story, just like with Liyue you could access it before even finishing Mondstadt’s quest

[@gugusalpha2411]

We're all still playing just because of FOMO (Fear of missing out), knowing how much we'd lose if we stopped playing for a while. This is very bad for the game survivability in the long run, because the ones quitting the game will very much not come back. Honestly I'm giving the game one last chance with Sumeru. If it keeps having those issues, I'll be out for good.

[@fowyingahviyiff1878]

I feel like a lot of this could be attributed to a lack of planning ahead, it’s really disappointing. I hope in future updates they’ll focus on a lot of quality of life improvements instead of events

[@sheinaragners]

same. they could always just rerun old events,then they wouldnt need to design new events ,then they would have more time to do quality of life updates.

[@Mighty.Matcha.]

I feel like they should have a record of the events like they did in the game for archon stories. It really isn’t fair for new gamers and for people who wanted to experience their character. Plus I realised they probably they are doing this to attract new gamers for limited time event which I feel like it’s another thing that is not fair for old game players bc we played this game longer we should be able to have access to more stories that you need play further into the game to unlock. Genshin didn;t just have a lack of planning imo, I think they are also more money/business oriented. I can tell from their limited good arts and reusing of old designs over and again. It really sucks idk why I’m still supporting this game lmao

[@part-timedebiru9681]

@@sheinaragners and then there will be those who will complain "yOu CaNt jUsT rEuSe cOnTenT" or "hUr DuHr nO nEw cOnteNt bOooO"

[@sheinaragners]

@@part-timedebiru9681 eh, i dont really care about weather its new content or old reruns. as long as there is primogems and something to do.

[@part-timedebiru9681]

@@sheinaragners same, though maybe they can change up the event activities somewhat to make things more interesting

[@haymandisciple4121]

I feel like catching up to a single player open world like genshin isn’t the way to go. What I believe the right way to play is that to play at your own pace and enjoy the story. Play your favorite character not the meta. Really what is the point of catching up, either way, you going to experience it sooner or later.

[@Goremize]

but you are not, as story events can be missed and only played if you are finished the story. A new player starting now will constantly experience references to things they never saw, due to the story and events being FOMO.

[@ItsDarcey]

I remember seeing clips of Scaramouche and being really Excited to finally see him appear. Only to then learn that he never would. His story was gone, and I'd never experience it because I'd started the game one update too late :')

[@shamsielshahar120]

Same. While I did create my account from 1.0, I was too busy with irl stuff (final college thesis and I did passed it) so I hadn't really played the game that much until second half of 1.2 and I missed the Scaramouche and Albedo event. I'd choose my studies first over playing genshin of course, but it stings that you're not able to play those time limited story events, at least the important ones. I can live missing out Lantern Rite event story but not the ones alike that I mentioned before.

[@ItsTheShiki]

Came back to Genshin after a year and a half break. I was having fun until I started farming for perfect artifacts. Seems every youtube channel makes it seem super easy, "Just get good artifacts lol" meanwhile every Blizzard Strayer cup I've gotten for the past two weeks has been HP/Defense up. Makes it hard logging in some days.

[@LeniusRiven]

Based on how you play and what characters you pull, this game will either be a cakewalk or very difficult. The disparity is unreal and Hoyoverse doesn't try to be inclusive to both sides. End game content (Abyss) is too hard for casual players and the low primos don't help. Then for tryhard players like myself, you complete it and then there's nothing else to do thats meaningful. Open world gets boring after doing the same chest grinding for a year so there should be some sort of permanent activity(not talking about the Statue of Seven or Tree) that encourages open world exploration but there's really not.

[@Millicente]

Of course they don't want easy parity between f2p and pay players. This game's cash shop is just about the gacha with a few skins tossed on top. That said I know someone who personally hasn't spent a dollar but through luck has an extremely powerful roster that clears spiral very easily most rotations. I also don't understand why people feel genshin needs to be a game you can play every single day for hours and have something "fun" to do for all that time without running out. Is that even realistic? Why not just treat it as a game that you hop on for a few minutes a day IF you want to and otherwise just step away from until something that interests you comes around?

[@batman106]

Every mmo is like this🤷‍♂️. You burned out

[@soham4741]

True, the fact that 5* characters like kazuha, zhongli, ganyu, hutao are branded as "must pull" or "broken" is just a bad thing for the game itself. People who dont have such characters will obviously feel frustrated about ingame content and even coop. Worse even, the community is absolutey inconsistent and just a bunch of illiterate bandwagoners, who will only blindly repeat everything that the CN community says about characters. Example, they called kazuha a "budget venti" , and now it took forever to get his rerun, when literally everyone was dying for him. For old players its not such a problem, but new players are going to be absolutely frustrated about not having "broken characters".

[@xX-fd2qj]

I mean an extremely powerful roster capable of clearing spiral abyss is one of the many 4* National and Taser variants of which you can even use Barbara in. The difference is usually character progression, game knowledge, and unfortunately stubbornness. The most common thing I see is that players have all the pieces they need to complete Spiral Abyss but will just refuse to use them, complain about having to use them, and then will blame their problems on not having X limited 5* (usually Zhongli.)

[@LeniusRiven]

@@xX-fd2qj Everyone that I see complain about the game being difficult are the people who "plays for fun" and hate the meta slaves

[@lumiere4267]

was scrolling thru my watch later videos and i found this, time travel does exist guys

[@darkrite9000]

As a person who's played many different gacha games, a difficulty spike is usually quite common, hell even in non-gacha games, you can have notable difficulty spikes, Dark Souls or Nioh are excellent examples. It's a matter of being prepared for the content, now I do think the game could've more easily translated that to new players. And I am by no means saying that Genshin isn't in fact getting rougher for new players. As there's a number of events that will happen that require you to have cleared certain parts of the story up to it. Now that's nothing new, a lot of other games has that, FGO, a big, long time running gacha game based on the ever-popular Fate series, also has a majority of newer events requiring clearing up to a certain part in the story, but occasionally you'll have events that only require you having cleared the first singularity (basically first chapter). I do well and truly believe there is several issues that will bog Genshin down, characters isn't really one of them, it's a gacha game after all, and by Gacha game standards, the amount of characters isn't that high, it's actually on the lower or average side of things. FGO has over 300 characters in it, mostly for JP server as the NA server is 2 years behind. MWA (millennium war aigis) is another old gacha game, which has nearly a thousand characters (now technically there is a lot of overlap as characters will have different versions, like say one normal version, and then maybe a swimsuit version, FGO also has overlap in this same manner but they're counted as different units/servants, so I will count them as such too). Both those games are fine all things considered, though FGO is less f2p friendly on the gacha side of things, as the pity is 330 rolls (you do a 10x roll, and get 1 free roll, so technically 10x +1, or rather 900 SQ instead of 990 due to the extra +1 roll, but you must get the pity before the banner changes, so it's not very helpful for f2p at all). MWA on the other hand is more f2p friendly than Genshin, with a pity of 33 for it's highest rarity (which there is 6 stars), there's also many events that give characters straight up or easily after spending maybe an hour at most on it (depends on the event type). FGO also gives free servants with some events but it generally requires a lot more work. That said, neither of these games have equipment per say. MWA you focus entirely on lvling up your units (and then class changing or awakening them, think of it like evolving or ascending them), and their skill. As MWA is mostly a tower defense style game (think Arknights), meanwhile for FGO, you have servants, which you mostly focus on them also. They have 3 skills, you lvl and ascend servants similar to Genshin, you lvl skills in a similar manner too. You also have append skills (these are extra passives that go with the servant's inherent passives), which can be lvled up like regular skills. The only "equipment" is the CE (craft essence) you have on them and whatever mystic code you have on yourself for that mission. Meanwhile for Genshin you have character lvl, ascending them to raise max lvl (which is similar in the other games I mentioned), character talents (which I consider equivalent to skills for the other games), weapon (with it's lvl, ascension and refinement), and artifacts (which are the bane of my and everyone else's existence and patience). I believe that of these factors, artifacts are by far the biggest problem. Also for Husk vs Petra, that depends on if the Geo character scales with def or not. Zhongli uses Tenacity of Millelith, with Bolide set being 2nd best arguably. And likewise for Ningguang she's better off with 2 piece petra, and 2 piece noblesse than full husk, at least in my opinion. But for Itto, Noelle, Albedo, and Gorou, Husk is by far the go to. Still regardless of that, farming artifacts without a stat reroll system in place is a pain. Maybe you have a nearly decent artifact, but it's got one terrible stat (like elemental mastery for a geo character), you spend a separate item to reroll the EM stat to something else. If they were to implement a system that works like that to reroll stats on artifacts, as well as a system that lets you change the set an artifact is part of. Then people would be far happier playing Genshin on the farming side of things. For difficulty, as stated before there are plenty of other beloved games with difficulty spikes that are still doing just fine. FGO has a difficulty spike when you reach the camelot singularity (which you can completely trivialize in a couple ways, either having a charm lock team, charm makes it so enemies skip their turn, works the same if you have a stun lock team also, or you have Hercules with his bond CE equipped, a bond CE is a CE you get for reaching lvl 10 bond lvl, think of that like friendship for Genshin, cause he just doesn't die then, at least not easily). But for veterans, many would say Genshin might be too easy now, since there's not much high difficulty content beyond the spiral abyss. Genshin could implement more high difficulty content permanently into the game to encourage the players who want a challenge, and give people more to do with their maxed out characters. Also I do think the event stories should be permanent unlockables that you can do, sadly the summer islands would be harder as that's an entirely different zone that was added just for that event. But the other event quests that take place on Dragonspine or other areas should be permanent as they're all technically canon anyway, and they'd not be that hard to add. The UI issues aren't a big deal to me, as there's more pressing concerns, if the UI isn't ideal but everything else is fine, then I'm not too bothered by it, and will only make occasional mention of it. But if everything else isn't fine, then I don't even bother complaining about the UI so long as it's passable because again, there's more pressing concerns. Which leads to resin, there's not enough resin, and it recharges too slow for those that want to spend a lot of time on Genshin. I'd reduce the recharge time to 5 mins, and increase the resin such that you can store up to 24 hours worth of resin. This would mean 288 resin, but we can round that to either 280 or 300 to make things look nicer, regardless the resin system should be improved further, this would also help with farming for f2p and whale players. I'd also drop the pity to 50, this way hard pity is a nice even 100. As such you wouldn't really need to improve the amount of primogems you get per week all that much to make things substantially better for the players. The more things seem fair, the looser people are with their money because they feel like the devs care. Players will throw money at devs they think give a damn, meaning the devs wouldn't see much difference in their long term profits. But if they really wanted to get money from players easily, give all the characters a paid swimsuit outfit, you would easily see a massive influx of money as people buy that up (because people are horny, for better or worse). Finally, buff some of the older characters, Amber, Klee, Venti (though Venti is still a good meta pick, it just depends on what's in the abyss during that rotation), and add a few of the limited 5 stars to the permanent pool. I'd also like to see more 4 star characters added more often, and given as event rewards (we usually do get a 4 star for certain big events, I just want to see a few more instances of that). And there's my essay, regardless of whether or not you agree with me, I do thank all those who did read it.

[@osj6524]

Bro how many lines did you write

[@conviction_amp]

That's longer than my lit & comp final

[@darkrite9000]

@@osj6524 bout a few.

[@jigglyballs15]

bro recited the bible

[@shinkamui]

problem with genshin and difficulty is that, whenever genshin wants to add difficulty, what they actually do is make it a time trial, or make enemies unnafected by x element, where the only way to actually beat it is to make the game a number crunching simulator with gear and builds what they dont realize, what we know from games like nioh, dark souls and so on, is that skill based and build making arent conflicting things. Even if you have a game entirely skill based, if theres a route to be overpowered, people flock to it they really need to find a way to increase the weight of skill in the skill-build spectrum honestly. When they evenuallu maybe,redesign or expand the endgame, it would be nice to have something more substantial than just “beat it faster” but i mean im no game designer. But i really dont think issue is gear nor character, its mostly fight design that is turning into a glorified training dummy that you just gotta beat by sheer numbers. They have to add something more fufilling to beat.

[@Deathisdark05]

There's a lot of problems when it comes to gameplay, but I'm of the opinion that these are things that can be easily fixed. Hoyoverse just doesn't want to because their janky artifact system and the constellations make them money. However, things like how the game is rigged against both new and old players HAS to be fixed because the old players are getting so sick of it and it is clear they'll lose many old players if Sumeru is bad, while they'll likely have trouble keeping or gaining new players despite their aggressive advertising because you basically have to grind as a new player. But the thing that I really hate currently is the writing. I don't know if it is because they got lazy or because of them trying to deal with laws, but the writing really jumped off a cliff in Inazuma. I know some people like it, but I have been unable to appreciate it since the Archon quest in Inazuma because it basically went from a climatic built up of a civil war that might be impossible to win due to meddling from outside forces to the revelation that the Raiden Shogun might be the first Archon we would not be able to civily speak to because she was basically a tyrant to "and then everything was okay because of the power of friendship!" Like, Ei suffers absolutely NO consequences even though she had a civil war going on. There's no turbulence within Inazuma, not even in a quiet manner, and we're somehow her friend?? It's just terrible writing and things since then just tend to be a cointoss on whether they're bad or good. As far as I'm concerned, they want to get anywhere, fix the writing and then focus on the gameplay and gacha aspects.

[@highoverclock]

Well, I empathized with Ei so I had no problems with the plot. She was inscrutable in the beginning but after I learnt of everything she went through (everyone close to her died) I found her understandable (doesn't excuse her, but made her understandable) which to me made the story good.

[@adam.n-steve]

@@highoverclock That's her character not the story itself. Remember that there are character quests and the archon quest. Imo, the archon quest's third act was incredibly confusing. Firstly, Signora died way too fast unless she's somehow alive. Secondly, how did Gorou and Kazuha know where we are or I missed something important. Thirdly, it felt so rushed. Like we just finished killing off Signora and suddenly, we're fighting off Ei again? Like it feels so anti-climatic or just forced especially after the PTSD moment. Another problem that I have is Gorou and Kokomi. They are playable characters yet we get more screen time for Teppei? Kokomi's quest doesn't do any justice as well. The entire quest is just downgraded Yanfei's quest.

[@highoverclock]

@@adam.n-steve To me Ei was the story. Her pursuit of Eternity, the subsequent turbulence brought to the country in spite of the pursuit, and the eventual practical awakening slap-in-the-face enabled partly by Yae's machinations was the main line- The rest of it was salad dressing. It really depends on what an individual sees out of a piece of work. Each of us just see what we see and don't see what we don't.

[@maki0794]

Take note that they were forced to release a half baked Inazuma and skipped 1.7 to 1.9 because by V1.6 the leaking of future content for V2.0 was getting severe to the point that even the team who works on the OSTs was upset with the community bc the soundtracks were leaked. Don't place all the blame on the devs for the output, the toxic members of the community are at fault as well.

[@testingdumby4524]

@@adam.n-steve haha no signora character for you, you gacha addict

[@mune_mune]

Replayability is definitely my huge issue with the game. Once I've 100% the region, I basically had no more reason to run around and explore, because I've already seen it, and there's nothing there for me, other then daily commissions and bounty/request. I hate Dragon Spine, the only reason I was there was for the domain and event, but now that's over, I have zero reasons to even go back there, its a dead map for me. Fishing! a completely forgettable activity once you've maxed that spear weapon, after that, there's no more reason to get back into fishing. Is collecting Oriental fishes even exciting? Majority of the dropped items are for ascension, other than that, they're just there stocking up in your inventory, is there no consumable craftable item that uses these? reasons for me to get back out there and collect them? I have like 2k worth of that lantern thing from the lantern event, and it's still fun just throwing it out there randomly when playing with my friends, and if it was grindable, I'd have reason to keep going out there and collect material.

[@MaryArts]

How many hours have you played?

[@broadbandislife]

They literally haven't done anything with fishing since it was released so... yeah. There's an uncomfortable and slowly growing amount of this kind of side mechanic that just gets dropped in and thereafter abandoned to gather dust.

[@Naizurr]

You say that like you should have a reason to go back which is odd considering basic game design. You beat the game, go play something else. It's pretty simple. It's a game, not a world you're supposed to live in.

[@Swagbastian]

​@@Naizurr That's not basic game design for live service games. In live service games, it's the job of the developers to get you to keep coming back. If Genshin was a completable narrative-driven singleplayer game with no time gating, no limited-time events, and no content updates, then I'd agree with you. But it's not.

[@Naizurr]

@@Swagbastian it's basic game design for _any_ game period. If you've done everything there is to do then you move on. If there is no more content then you move on. Whether you come back or not is on you, the devs can't _make you_ return. A live service game isn't a second life, it's just a game, if you wanna spend a hundred hours on it that's on you

[@seanyukler3717]

I’m so happy I found this video and all the people in the comments. Strangely, I thought I was the only one who felt overwhelmed and just genuinely conflicted. Keeping up with the “story events” is the main issue for me. When I get back into it, the first thing that comes to mind is all the five star items that have come out recently. But that’s easy. Just go to the archive menus, look through them, and you’ll know what you missed (and it’s not much). This issue lies with story continuity. There’s just too much to follow. We already have hundreds of world quests, the hangouts, the story quests, the archon quests. But then they have to add things like The Golden Apple Archipelago event which makes players disspaointed and beat-up when they learned that they missed it. And part of what makes this so frustrating is that Hoyoverse just seems to be going after quantity rather than quality. The sheer amount of dialogue I force myself to sit through and listen to is concerning. I’m supposed to enjoy listening to these beloved characters… right? I find myself telling myself over and over again that “Eventually I’ll get back into it” or “It’ll get good again, I’ll enjoy it again” but it’s already been a year and I’ve never been more uninterested. I’m afraid Hoyoverse won’t care about loyal players like us. They only really care about how much money you’re willing to spend. And until that changes (if it does change), then I’ll be stuck feeling like I will never enjoy this game ever again.

[@shubhod9569]

tbh sumeru's story is actually really good again. I quit after inazuma because it was so badly written but thankfully they have improved with sumeru. I'm actually reading it all and not skipping, and the main story is pretty intricate. Also, paimon doesn't talk as much or repeat shit which is amazing

[@phoenixblood5953]

I was really into Genshin for a really long time, I got a bunch of characters to lvl 80 and began the grind for artificats but got burnt out as I didn't get the character I wanted before their banner ran out and my artifact grinding wasn't really yielding anything good. So I quit the game. Later on I saw a trailer for Yae and wanted to open Genshin again for her. I stopped playing when it was still just Monstadt and Liyue so I was stuck behind a LOT of content. I used a bit of old saved up primogems and got Yae. I was really excited and tried to level her up but then realized I literally couldn't level her up past 40. So I had to sit through HOURS of story that I literally didn't care about anymore and had to do Yoimiya's and Ayaka's story quests (which were such a slog that I wanted to quit) just to lose interest in the game again by the time I was able to defeat the enemy I needed to get Yae's materials. Mihoyo has got to do something about this cause if someone pulls a character from Sumeru but is still in Monsdtat they are fucked.

[@echung168]

I think they kind of added Inazuma things to Mondstat. And when I say things, I mean ONE mechanic. They added some of the wolves to Monstadt in literally one spot. So when you farm those mats you're pretty much done for the day. But realisitcally, how would one incorporate things from another region into an older region when they didn't do it in the very beginning. It's weird. It's like taking a plant from Inazuma and then saying it suddenly grows in Mondstat. Seaweed, you could probably make a reason for saying it grows in Mondstat but then how would you put a world boss from Enkanomiya into Mondstat? There are mechanics that we need to understand that makes sense from a gameplay and lore perspective. And just because some people don't care about lore doesn't mean the entire playerbase doesn't care about lore. If they moved Inazuma item to Mondstat, think about taking something that grows strictly in the US and then telling people that it also started growing in China or Japan. (Obviously, with modern advancements these kinds of things are more possible now but that's in our reality not Genshin reality.) As for playing through story we don't care about, it's normal for nearly any game. I'm sure you've played those games where you have a starting point and it maps out the next fewlevels for you but it's greyed out because you didn't complete it or reach a certain number of stars so that particular level did not unlock yet. But it makes sense that Yoimiya's, Ayaka's, and Yae's mats are in Inazuma. They are from Inazuma afterall. You could play through the content with whatever characters you do have and have to put X character on the backburner until you are able to get to their resources.

[@Dubs22005]

meh, it's not a problem for them. they already have a train of people that are providing millions every banner they just have to maintain it and not lose more. they have the most whales and convert their f2ps into low spenders. profit comes as long as they maintain the people still onboard i myself am not spending any more than the 200 USD ive already spent I can clear everything and i already have the characters i need to ride it out till the end. the freemos will get me any character i would possibly want

[@juliap5907]

Another big problem with some of the events is that they give you weapons as rewards - and in the case of the lore ones, those weapons are replacements for the 5* and sometimes even BiS weapons for certain characters, e.g. Dodoco Tales for Klee or Cinnabar Spindle for Albedo. There are actually only two swords in the entire game that have DEF bonus as a substat and the other one is a 3*. Which basically leaves a lot of players with a character that can't reach their full potential because... reasons, I guess? The weapon situation in Genshin is just plain ridiculous, the weapons' banner is absolutely terrible to the point that even content creators don't want to pull on it because there is no guarantee you'll get something decent before spending hundreds of dollars just to get one copy of the chosen weapon. At the very least, you can buy gadgets now and even if they are a tad bit expensive, it doesn't take long to save up if you really want the lyre, for example. So clearly hyv could do something like that for the older weapons (Festering Desire or Fischl's bow) but they don't want to. And it's not even a money issue since those weapons were free in the first place. (An anecdote: I literally did the whole Enkanomiya event in barely 12 hours just to get the weapon because I knew I wouldn't be able to get Kagura's Variety and I desperately needed a weapon for Yae. I did not enjoy the event. I don't even remember what happened because I skipped through most of the dialogue just to finish it as fast as possible.)

[@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp]

It's your problem you skipped it It lasted 42 days, you would've get it anyway.

[@juliap5907]

@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp I started playing three weeks before version 2.5. I literally speedrun some of the Archon quests to get to Inazuma and Watatsumi because I wanted that weapon so bad.

[@charginginprogresss]

And in the meanwhile, while the cash cow has these issues, the love child Honkai has so many super good craftable weapons that are BiS 4* for characters, that isn't even funny. But hey, genshin is just mihoyo's cash cow, what do you think you'll get...

[@yasu_red]

@@charginginprogresss I've largely abandoned genshin in favor of Honkai and this is so true. It takes some time to get the materials for good weapons, sure, but you at least have the opportunity at all to get a really good weapon/stigma for a character you get, unlike genshin (Festering Desire is cracked but it was event exclusive). The gacha is also just much more forgiving, with no stupid 50/50 system and character materials being obtainable outside of it.

[@LibraritheWizardOfficial]

"BiS weapons" "Dodoco Tales for Klee" Do you even realize the emotional damage you just inflicted on Klee Mains 😭

[@LizardKingRequiem]

Genshin is a weird case of having intrinsically fun gameplay, but tedious content and extremely stingy extrinsic rewards. Like obviously the gameplay (team building, combat, elements and reactions) is good because its the only way that ppl trudge through the boring, long winded quests and the slapdash minigames of the month.

[@gacktdirge17]

Genshin in 2024 : 60-70 millions players/month, indeed super dead game.

[@hyumwi]

Whenever I take a break from Genshin it’s extremely hard for me to come back. After just a month of not playing it feels as if I missed out on a lot of content and it makes it hard for me to log back on and see what I’ve missed. I wish they added a feature to play past events even if the rewards are less as I really wish I could’ve experienced quests such as the ones involving Albedo and Eula that I missed due to taking a break.

[@xev9383]

the worst part is that they already do this in honkai impact, when new chapters to the story released they had better rewards, but you can still play them now with lower rewards

[@KakaUmbraLunar]

one thing about add a event story permanently to genshin impact is Storage, mobile player is struggeling to keep up storage free to next update... in console and PC is no problem, but in mobile is like 20GB storage and imagine how many extra GB for extra story... my advice is downloadable story for that event story and you can delete it, in mobile game (in big game) usually have downloadable content like in RealRacing you can have extra track or car for downloading it and you can delete the data if you want free up storage

[@Reelix]

Most devices that can play Genshin should be able to use a 64GB (Or higher) SD Card, and those that can't use SD Cards should innately come with that much free space anyways, so it's not really an issue. It's like complaining that you're struggling to install Genshin on your 40GB SSD.

[@Jet-ij9zc]

@@Reelix most premium phones don't work with SD cards nowadays

[@tatakai1286]

@@Reelix dude iPhones and many premium phones don’t have sd cards, and not to mention people aren’t going to delete everything in their phones to make place for the game. Not to mention by the end of the story if all the limited events were downloaded the game will take around 50-100 gb of storage, that’s crazy. That’s one of the reasons why they’re limited

[@Reelix]

@@tatakai1286 Weird when you consider that my 9 year old Samsung S4 Mini currently has more storage capacity than an iPhone released in the past year...

[@tatakai1286]

@@Reelix yeah but people who buy iPhone don’t care that much about storage as much as they care about speed and being practical

[@Singingshadowgirl]

The world level automatically upping at certain points really messed with me. For a long period of time I would only do commissions, so I gained a lot of AR xp, but wasn’t working on my characters. I eventually got to a point were I wouldn’t unlock my world level until I was good and fully prepared, and then it would go up twice instead of once after the trial. That was my experience for WL 5-8 (if I’m remembering the cap right) even earlier game I spent maybe 1hr in Wl 4? And then I was just- suffering.

[@KenKen-bq1vm]

Damn I'm at wl 5 rn and I now feel afraid to ascend because I've been staying at this level for a month now

[@barnowl6752]

Same at first I was speedrunning quests for primos and adventure exp but didn’t realize that your characters were supposed to grow until the first world level increase and I was running from every hilichurl in sight 💀

[@dusksunsetio6042]

I was at world level 3 and thought that if I unlocked world level control I could go back to world level 1 and demolish enemies. Turns out it gets locked 😭

[@АннаЗинурова]

They could just make something like Diablo 3's paragon levels or Borderlands 2's OP levels. Or... Make player be able to choose preferred world level...

[@songsayswhat]

lol Yeah, it really sucked. I'm glad we finally can lower world level. I wish we could do it sooner, truth be told. Let casual players do casual and hard, hard! Not like one playstyle interferes with another player's enjoyment.

[@lynell2B375]

Funnily enough, some stuff in this video doesn't really talk about problems in Genshin, but problems in live service and gacha games in general. And if the problem lies in the genre, I don't think there's anything Hoyoverse can do. Because they're just following the stereotype of these games Now don't get me wrong, there are some parts that is still specifically about Genshin's problem(artifact system, etc), but a lot of it is the problems in the genre in general(character leveling, fear of missing out, etc) (and also, I know the title says "it won't last" but you gotta admit that the game will still last for some good 5-6 years)

[@JoeSmithGOAT]

At least 7 years minimum lmao There are far inferior gacha games that are closing in on 10 YEARS lmao These 'eSsAyIsTs' have no idea what they're talking about most of the time since it's probably their first and ONLY exposure to gacha, let alone, a REALLY POPULAR GACHA

[@wintercookies7976]

Yeah imo Genshin is basically the same as other gacha games too. Genshin is not a RPG or MMO games. The problem in Genshin is probably lack of end-game content. I read an "analyst" online and they said that judging by how much Mihoyo earned, It should probably lasts 10 years minimum.

[@alpguy4865]

Yeah, I feel like the majority of problem that being talked is gacha games problem rather thab only genshin. The idea that some 5 star is better than the othet 5 star is exactly what you'll get in a lot of gacha games.

[@crafteariee]

shoutout to the English forum threads for another gacha game I still play that have asked "is this game dead?" when it's currently running past its 8th year now and is still updating regularly & maintaining its EN-language support even when its parent company released another smash hit game last year exclusively in Japan that eclipses its older titles both in fame and sheer revenue records despite how relatively super niche it is overseas lol;; Certainly some of these ideas brought up are not a problem exclusive to Genshin itself, a lot of these feel like "baby's first gacha/ live service game" because these folks are unfamiliar & uncomfortable with the norms of the genre (gacha game models, character release & balancing concepts, MMORPG patch update cycles, 'season'-based MOBA game releases, marketing/monetization tactics involved, etc). At the end of the day, regardless of how strong a consumer feels about a game, no matter how "good" or "bad" it gets, it really depends on the publisher/developer/ outside circumstances affecting these games that decide whether "it'll last" even if we can spectate or guess how it'll go given whatever clues we get from an outsider's perspective. Sure, there's some merit to these doomposts when they mention specific problems and offer solutions but at the same time....these guys don't really know enough about the finer details into all of these games, huh;;

[@toshio1334]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Switch version that's still in development. For a lot of people, that's going to be their first time playing Genshin. With the current issues for newer players, that's going to leave a terrible impression. Realistically a Switch version probably won't happen till after 3.0 and it probably won't be able to run it. Maybe around Ver 1.0 it could've run.

[@imbored3782]

Switch version may not happen due to the constant updating of the game

[@BlackGateofMordor]

Not happening. The Switch is basically a high powered phone from 2015, it won't run.

[@sulky2313]

switch version isnt happening.. u have ti get off copium

[@gonnabestupidbutactuallyno8295]

Switch won't be getting genshin because genshin is apparently very badly optimized. After inazuma came out, my phone can't run it on medium or high, and it has snapdragon 855. Hell, even my m1 iPad struggles with it sometimes. And switch? Tegra is literally 2 times slower than 855, how can it possibly work? with 10 fps and graphics worse than low? And I bet with sumeru things will get worse once again, if it's part of the main map.

[@noelgarcia7732]

@@gonnabestupidbutactuallyno8295 hmmm that's interesting. Im running genshin on med settings max sfx 60fps. Sometimes its dropping to 50fps when raining but not bellow that even while screen recording on my old s10 5g exynos. Genuinely curious if the older chipset was better for Genshin? Idk lol i just find it very amusing.

[@songsayswhat]

When Raiden came out I commented somewhere that Genshin would be increasingly difficult to new players. I had a maxed account and made an alt account so I could get Raiden. I had planned for that one to be my "fun and take it slow" account. Then I realized I wouldn't be able to level Raiden effectively until Inazume ... only Inazuma without nearly a year of playing would be tough. Even with maxed account I could tell Inazuma enemies were tougher. Anyway, a lot of people jumped all over me and called me a hater. Gotta admit the more of videos like yours (very in-depth, btw) that come out give me a bit of schadenfreude! It is a problem. SP games cater to types of players. Genshin needs to cater to the players who want constant challenge and to the more casual ones who love to feel godlike as they lay waste around them or those who just want to go through and explore and play with the story. Because of that I don't see an easy solution for this ongoing problem.

[@oceancouchy9656]

Inazuma tough? I'm sorry, I never really had any kind of problem in any of the regions, on both my accounts. It's just that inazuma's mobs have a good chunk of hp, but the game gives you what you need right off the bat in terms of characters. The game open world is fairly easy for casual players, you should be able to get into inazuma with less than 3 months worth of playing.

[@trevordavis6830]

Personally I started playing near the end of last year and got to inazuma within a month or two and I never experienced any major difficulty issues. Though admittedly that could be because I had Yun Jin who’s skill felt like a hard counter to a lot of the new enemy types’ attacks. I think the bigger issue with the new player experience is newer characters’ ascension materials being locked behind areas that are literally unreachable without 20+ hours of playtime. I think for the game to be new player friendly in the long term, ascension materials either need to be purchasable in the shop like other leveling materials are or have the ability to be converted like ascension crystals. It’s going to suck if a new player spends a lot of money trying to get a new character they want and can’t even use them for the next 30 hours of gameplay due to their materials being exclusive to sumeru

[@yez9475]

My brother just played the game and needs to ascend chongyun, but his materials are on liyue but he didnt unloco it yet

[@oceancouchy9656]

@@trevordavis6830 hard to say about that, because the bosses in the story itself have been tuned down to not be a threat for new players. So, they won't struggle to get the required materials, unless they upgrade their world level and can't keep up, but that happens to anyone who rush too quickly tbh. But you can buy every materials in the glitter shop, just the natural resources likes ores and flowers requires you to go to the specific location yeah. But you can get any character to lvl 40 if you just do their trial, and that's enough for the story up to inazuma (in my experience)

[@growingsage]

Right? I'm in the same boat with you. I love the game but Inazuma really felt like a major difficulty spike to me. I brought this up and the Fandom thought I was a filthy normie who didn't appreciate the game. I just asked if anyone else thought that inazuma felt harder compared to the first two regions and got piled on.

[@lennipog]

it's also a pain for character ascension materials to be in places that you aren't able to explore yet, and you can't buy it. like, if you got a 5 star from a limited banner, you'd be fine for the 1st ascension since the test run is there, and the rewards are the for the first ascension, but lvl 40 won't last you very long.

[@behzadmirmozaffari2563]

As someone who plays GI from day one, the difficulty problems, as you've mentioned, did not affect me, much, but I can see the problem for new players. The problem with past events that had important story elements is one that I have with almost all mmorpgs. Why remove the events? Just add them to a roadmap kind of thing and tell the new players which one to do when! The thing is, in GI there's also a technical point about this: this is essentially a mobile game and these events usually have a lot of voice lines and usually a couple of cutscenes. So if they keep them all, the game size would not be feasible on a mobile device. Just a thought! Anyway, for me, the most egregious problems with Genshin are lack of end-game content and Artifact farming! God it's soul-crushing! If good artifacts were a lot easier to get, then you could make multiple builds for each character, then you could mix and match even more, then....oh my god! I'm drooling! Yeah, to summarize, you could have a lot more fun! Also, there's a bit of complacency and laziness about MiHoYo.....or Hoyoverse! THIS is just a prime example. They have officially changed their name, yet the game's icon haven't changed! And the game's menu background in PS4/PS5? That is also still the same as day one! I mean come on!

[@Utrilus]

The limited time important content is also good for them from a business and player retention pov. Utilizing 'fear of missing out' to get players more hooked.

[@TheFates666]

@@Utrilus It also has the opposite effect though, "Fear of having missed out". I have a good number of friends that tried that game but stopped playing when they realized they missed some event or another that they were interested in.

[@ArikaPF1]

For the inazuma part, it was definitely more annoying rather than "difficult". I've been on it since day one and as much as I like challenges....inazuma was okay....but I guess it balances out bc the world quests/stories were cool

[@ArikaPF1]

Oh I see a similar mention to the criticism in the "small things" section lol It's been a small gripe I've had with genshin but I can't quite say much bc I can't articulate it exactly... (Other than how it's getting more challenging in an annoying way. Just numbers, calculation and what have you....like there's gotta be other ways to introduce a different flavour of critical thinking/problem solving...but eh its okay anyway.)

[@aetherianlegend]

this video is criminally underrated, but also. y'all ever watch smth like this and be like. damn. my special interest really is kinda shitty T-T

[@lolzu]

despite its flaws genshin is still fun

[@era2s]

it really sometimes makes me feel bad for liking something that feels like everyone dislikes ;-; it feels like im doing something wrong or wasting my time

[@aetherianlegend]

@@era2s exactly!!!! i really love genshin and i have as many qualms with certain parts of the fandom as the next guy but,, being like "i play genshin" and having someone go "ugh" is very not fun

[@lolzu]

@@era2s but in this case it shouldn't matter. YOU like it, YOU have that opinion, and Genshin is a very popular game, so the hate for it at release is very little now. People may dislike it, but that's their own opinion and no reason to harass those who enjoy the game.

[@lolzu]

@@aetherianlegend That's to be expected though. Assuming you're a weeb, back in the earlier days the anime fandom was very small and very easy to be picked on, similar to what the furry fandom has nowadays. It's to be expected sadly, and that literally just happened to me yesterday on Twitter- but we can't really do anything about it.

[@Lalaisinhaa]

as a person whos been playing genshin every since it was released, i agree with everything in the video, especially about the difficulty. i used to play everyday but every since inazuma came out, i started taking breaks bc inazuma made me feel like this game is not for me. the difficulty and the drop of items u get from enemies in the map that was reduced idk why it makes it difficult for you to enjoy it anymore, and they keep repeating boring events. if they want the players to not stop playing the game they really dont know how to do it. the only thing that keeps me going its the new regions maps (that unfortunately they released once a year)

[@nexuhs.]

is genshin hard for you!?

[@namuka321]

sounds like skill issue lmao

[@darianstarfrog]

I agree.. the scaling off whale numbers it seems..I'm not comfortable if I'm using my food in most battles..

[@Lalaisinhaa]

@@darianstarfrog yeah, i get it they increased the difficulty bc new maps and all that, but i dont get why they need to reduce the drops too.

[@alpguy4865]

With Sumeru now going to be released in 3.0, I've been hearing (tho a really small minority) about the idea that you can go to Sumeru first before Inazuma since Sumeru is close/connected in main island with Mond and Liyue. Hopefully the scalling difficulty isn't as harsh as Inazuma, for new players tho.