Kazuya C-Stick Crouch Dash EWGF: A Different Way to do Electric Wind God Fist (SSBU)

A different method I found for Kazuya to do Electric Wind God Fist fast and consistent all while only needing 2 directional inputs. This is also the only way I know of ATM where you can perform an EWGF out of a c-stick crouch dash. While I found this playing on the Smashbox andtried to show in the beginning of the video how well this works for me on the Smashbox, not quite sure how well it works on pad. Although I did get this on pad decently, I didn't really lab it that much. Let me know how this method works for you, pad or no pad!

[@ViedViper]

Here is another EWGF guide that includes a lot of stuff from this video and expands on it further kzbin.info/www/bejne/rF6qpnaepLmDnZY I should clarify that Step 3 should say "This plus Step 3 AND STEP 4 gives you the Crouch Dash" since you need to release the c-stick to actually Crouch Dash. Also Step 4 should just say "after your DASH". For example if you enter your A press on frame 12 you are not doing the EWGF later in the crouch dash, but actually buffering it later in the dash. Frame 12 is the latest you can EWGF in your dash assuming you did steps 1-3 on frame 1 and 2.

[@atmosstreams]

Why is this not pinned? I’ve been doing wrong for ages?!

[@ViedViper]

@@atmosstreams I'm sorry, it was pinned. I guess the other comment has enough exposure. I will repin this. thanks Edit: I might make a super in depth, super boring guide on how to c-stick Crouch Dash EWGF if people are still interested in this method. I'm still with it, it is the method I have been using 99% of the time still.

[@mckayneskitchen9039]

@@ViedViper please for the love of god make more kazuya tech including that video you suggested

[@ViedViper]

@@mckayneskitchen9039 XD I have 2 other videos up atm and some other vids/ideas on the backburner. I'll do my best to get some new stuff ASAP when I can.

[@diegofranceschin2949]

Can u pls tell me what is the c-stick???

[@dragojevicmilos356]

i see you out here with the triple electrics, tekken 7 combos carry over

[@ViedViper]

Lol yeah, I do at some point want to see if I can get 6 in a row where they read true on combo counter

[@ObservableFiction]

@A cat on his hind legs. Just recommend his video bro you pass it off like you came up with it

[@stephaniecurry45]

@A cat on his hind legs. wait what

[@valla7644]

I saw the thumbnail and I'm like: "But that's how its supposed to work, that's how it works on Tekken" Props to Sakurai and the team for making the characters feel like their main game.

[@adamquenano8563]

He legit made the EWGF look like how it was on Tekken

[@aspreedacore]

so that's how the lv9 kazuya kicks our asses

[@EYENDOLF]

This is exactly what I needed. The ewgf was the only input I had trouble with.

[@jacoblongstreet6058]

Great video. Helped me out in getting the ewgf instead of just the wgf. I use pro controller and I used the Z button as my attack input. I will say that I was having trouble with angling my analog stick down at the same time as my cstick. However, when I started to change my inputs to the order Dash>Cstick down>Analog 3>Neutral Cstick>Tap Z I was able to get it pretty consistently. It might be a perception thing, but angling my analog stick down right before my Z input helped me to crack the code on this. Thanks for the insight with this guide!

[@ViedViper]

Hey that's great! Hopefully other people can use can see this trick if they are struggling with this method still. Yeah angling your analog to down forward while inputting c-stick down at the same time is not necessary, it just the fastest way to input it. But it seams like you found a nice solution of inputting it consistently, while still getting out quickly and with extra range from your dash. Just be wary of buffering z because it is a macro for shield + A, so you might end up rolling or spot dodging due to the shield wary. That's a great way of doing it though, I think I would use your method as well if I played pad. Edit: You know what I am going to pin this comment because I think more people playing on pad could really benefit from seeing it.

[@jacoblongstreet6058]

@@ViedViper Awesome! I hope it helps some people trying to get this tech down.

[@maxwellmegagamer8535]

Pro controller with z there is one impostor among us

[@Rentphotographer]

Analog 3?

[@ViedViper]

@@Rentphotographer Analog at 3 just means analog at down forward. 3 represents down forward in numpad notation. numpad notation follows the keyboard's numpad and it assumes you are facing right regardless of what way your character is facing. So since 5 is in the middle and you are facing right, 3 is down forwards since it is down and to the right of 5.

[@G.H.M.]

Idk what I appreciate more, giving us a different way to use EWGF, or using my favorite Tekken song in the background

[@WhiteHawkmma]

I figured out the timing for me and it's pretty easy on pad. I did a little test, turns out if your trigger or what have you is set to grab, it will input as A when you do the C stick crouch dash. It wont do the command input grab, itll do EWGF. A little trick I used to get the timing for when to click the grab button was practicing the timing with Kazuya's down smash. If you flick the L stick down and instead of pressing A at the same time, you press A after normally youd do his stun punch. Flick and release, press A. If you press A close enough to the release of the stick, you should do down smash instead of the stun. It's a pretty tight window, but it's the same timing that youd have to make between flicking the c stick down in the crouch dash and pressing a grab or attack button to do the EWGF. Because I use my right tigger as grab, it made it extremely easy to transfer the timing over. Just took maybe 10 minutes of switching between 2/3 speed and normal speed then it started getting kinda consistent. Hopefully my trick might help someone else out there

[@ViedViper]

That's great to hear! z/grab will work because it is A macro for Shield+Tap A. You will not get the command grab when you press z because you should be in the Crouch Dash by then. When you press z in the Crouch Dash the shield input won't do anything because it does nothing in the Crouch Dash, but the Tap A from the z button will trigger something like give you an EWGF. That's a good tip! I will have to remember that if I ever try to get this consistently on pad using this method. As well as it could help anybody else trying to learn this method pad. Thanks!

[@dethskullz]

Bruhhhh, thank you so much!!!

[@WhiteHawkmma]

@@dethskullz no problem man glad I helped out!

[@jamesc8198]

This comment help me discover an easy way to preform EWGF, I start with my joystick ↘️ then flick c stick down, then press z, works every time

[@sahirsoomro2350]

@@jamesc8198 did you have to set the trigger button to attack?

[@AngelsandWolves1]

Considering that I have SO much trouble with EWGF, this is a GODSEND! Thank you, kind sir!!

[@GEEKFREAK01]

I've always had a hard time trying to pull off ewgf. This video helped a lot, thank you so much

[@angiepangie9935]

It’s nice to know I can do this in smash! I’m excited because I really wanna learn this :)

[@KoufalKoufax]

the 2 frame window made it more easier this is sick! good job!

[@sorataakihiko4875]

this is so damn sick! i love it!

[@djchambliss6561]

Thank you for showing this by frame(along with the button) because I've been having a difficult time trying this.

[@ViedViper]

Of course! Just remember that when I showed it frame by frame here that is just the fastest way you can input it. There are places you can slow it down to help you learn the input. Such as you do not need to do step 2/3 immediately after step 1. (still need to be holding forward or down forward the whole time though) As well as you do not need to do step 4/5 immediately after step 2/3. But you do still need to do step 5 the same frame or the frame after step 4. (Tap A the the same frame you release the c-stick or the frame after) Even though you are doing the input "slower", it is still good too know imo because you will add more range to EWGF. Also the comment I pinned I think will be very useful for pad players.

[@djchambliss6561]

@@ViedViper then you explained it to me again with a more detailed process. Thank you so much because kazuya isn't a easy character to play with.

[@cristoelhage7909]

You found something very nice @Vivedpiper. Much appreciated that you have shared this knownledge 🙌

[@ViedViper]

Thanks! Also I am going to have video out in the next couple of days about all the different types of EWGF (DEWGF/DDEWGF/WEWGF etc.) that will include a lot of stuff from this video and expand on it further.

[@cristoelhage7909]

@@ViedViper Thank you, will be waiting for it. Subbed :)

[@drakonnen1864]

Thanks for the info my bro , you deserve more than a sub

[@ViedViper]

Thanks! Idk about that, but I appreciate the sentiment lol.

[@lancelotdubois7694]

Great vidéo !

[@FenixReZ]

Hope you upload more bro! Would love to see more stuff like this. Gonna practice this now

[@ViedViper]

Thanks! I do have a bit of a backlog of interesting combo and tech, especially for Terry and Ryu. But the focus atm is Kazuya!

[@FenixReZ]

@@ViedViper can’t wait!

[@swimperson8768]

You’re the goat I couldn’t it before this method jesus

[@ViedViper]

Thanks! Glad this helped you get it :)

[@Rentphotographer]

I was about to give up on EWGF, but with only 10 minutes practicing your method, I've been more consistent then the normal method or the "down+A" method

[@ViedViper]

That is great to hear!

[@Nawrly17]

Nice to see smash players with their own EWGF guides lol

[@-Aar-n]

I can now Doriyah consistently. Thank you so much.

[@ViedViper]

:) Really glad to hear it!

[@foresttaylor7850]

Interesting, will definitely try this

[@stephaniecurry45]

This is awesome! I for some reason don’t have too much difficulty with the traditional input but this might offer more freedom in choosing how much startup I want and maybe even more consistency

[@ViedViper]

Thanks! Yeah I would say it is at least worth a try, but if it is not clicking then definitely stick with the traditional inputs since that is already working for you. As for how much startup you want when doing an Electric/how deep you do your Electric in your dash I agree is very important. But both methods allow that, so I wouldn't switch just for that.But as you said if it becomes more consistent, then go for it!

[@stephaniecurry45]

@@ViedViper I know this a super late response lol but for pad I was able to get decent results with using a claw grip, in case anyone was having trouble

[@MeatPlanet]

As a tekken fan who hasn't played smash in a couple years i can hear the doryas through the preview screen.

[@someguy5418]

Nice guide. It seemed harder than doing it the normal way until I tried it. Once I get more comfortable doing this I'm sure I'll be able to throw them out consistently.

[@ViedViper]

Thanks and really glad to hear!

[@BruceLee-sr4dj]

Amazing

[@Fallen_2003]

That looks insanely hard, but I’ll give it a shot

[@frankmay3341]

This is probably doable on stick. Even more so because they made ewgf 2 frames instead of one.

[@UdonBeatz]

I've got a fight stick compatible with the switch, can confirm it's easy as hell on stick. I tried it out of curiosity to comparison to Tekken 7

[@Voljetay25]

Glad u smash players catching up to input character’s..thtis was basically how u did upper with ryu in sf4

[@Lacripp]

DORYA!!!➡️⬇️↘️⭐✊

[@fryenchill2817]

Finally, PEWGF in smash

[@carloilfanSuperMammaMia2]

How to mash EWGF. Perfect🎉

[@baba_yaga__3000]

Great breakdown! But I’m struggling how you down angle while c sticking. I’m getting wgf. Pls help lol

[@cookiestrokes1710]

Thanks for the quick guide! From my understanding of reading the comments, if you get down tilt then you're inputting the c-stick too early and if you get dragon uppercut your tap was too long. So I was wondering what the error might be if you still get regular WGF. Is it just pressing A too late? Thank you for the video!

[@ViedViper]

Yup! Everything you said is exactly right! So if you getting regular WGF you are just about there. I would try breaking it down it down into 2 parts. So for the first part do Frame 1: forward Frame 2: down forward (hold) c-stick down Right here you can take a little breather, not too long, only about 10 frames and really focus on part 2 here and quickly in succession release c-stick and Tap A So you would get Frame 3-12: release c-stick and Tap A Or Frame 3- 11: release c-stick Next Frame : Tap A One more thing you can do his you can hold z/Tap z instead so you won't ever get dragon uppercut since z is a macro for Shield+Tap A. Just keep in mind since you are holding shield so you won't be able to buffer EWGF since shield has higher priority and you will most likely get a roll forward. Good Luck! Seems like you are just about there.

[@Lamissdu44115]

hello , did you see what was your error pls ? i have the same problem

[@SmashingPichu]

Ok but how good is this on the Wii remote?

[@ViedViper]

LOL! Unfortunately I'd say undo-able :(

[@HakumeiTenshi]

You're just gonna have to hit the gym and do the motion irl

[@bigpapav5696]

@@ViedViper can you do this on normal joy cons?

[@ViedViper]

@@bigpapav5696 I haven't tried lol. In theory I could imagine, in terms of practicality...

[@bigpapav5696]

@@ViedViper alright thanks!

[@codyross2403]

I actually don't have a Smashbox, but I have a Hitbox Crossup and it works for Smash.. I think this technique will work for it! I will update once I try it after work. Basically it's a lever with extra movement buttons, but there is a mode for smash that makes the extra buttons your c stick. So I theoretically just have to press forward on lever, shift to DF and press crossup down button, and then press 1 (bound to A for me).

[@drkekenstein5750]

any idea why sometimes he just goes for a grab and other times just crouch dashes with no attack after? even in 1 frame training mode. i can get like 5 in a row then 10 in a row do nothing

[@shiky_scarlett]

After practicing both methods for a while, this one comes out on top in terms on consistency for me, gotta admit that doing this method on pro controller is super weird to do, but mixing up the normal imput and this one is the only way I can do 2 quick EWGF lol, super helpful guide 👍

[@ViedViper]

Lol yeah I can imagine it being weird to do on a pro controller. But that is really good to hear! Thanks, I'm glad this was able to help improve your consistency!

[@waynezhang8008]

I'm using a pro controller to practice and I feel weird releasing the c-stick while having to reach the A button in time, is this what you felt too? Hope I get this one day :((

[@shiky_scarlett]

@@waynezhang8008 I have attack assigned to a shoulder button, that way when i release the c stick, i press the shoulder button at the same time. I recommend starting on lower speed, to get used to the motion/timing, and increase from there

[@ViedViper]

@@shiky_scarlett Yeah this definitely seems like the way to go since the pro controller gives you an extra shoulder button and you cant buffer an Electric with z cause you will get roll most like instead. When I used the pro controller I already had A on a shoulder button for other stuff already

[@waynezhang8008]

@@shiky_scarlett thanks! Will try

[@Creepo_J]

nice

[@mythicaldoughnut1100]

Another good trick to know is the minute you hold down for ewgf, press a, then move forward

[@Silverado-pq6xe]

Man I don’t get this at all but I’m glad it’s helping a lot of other people out Edit: Just got it, had to use Z though as pressing A is really awkward and my fingers aren’t that fast Edit 2: Right index finger is starting to hurt due to the unusual and cramped placement of the Z button on the GameCube controller, so I tried to use the right trigger instead. This has proven to be much less successful than using Z. 😔

[@ViedViper]

Good to here you are getting it! The reason that is working better is cause Z is a macro for Shield+Tap A. Even if you hold Z you will still get a Tap A input. The issue is though is that you won't be able to buffer Electrics cause the Shield input from pressing Z will most like give you a roll forward when buffering an Electric. I'd say for learning you can use the Z button to start out with and once you get the hang of that, then start doing it with the A button. You might have to move the A button to a better spot though for this method for playing on pad.

[@bond3161]

Uhhhh guys. I was just messing around and it seems like noone covered instant reflect kick from stand? Hold forward Forward, up cstick flick, attack

[@bond3161]

Viedviper Just wanted to say thanm K you so much... you know it

[@RellekEarth]

So in a single frame I'm supposed to take my finger off the c stick, move it to the A button and press it? I know I suck but I'm not switching to a stick to play Kazuya haha

[@ViedViper]

The same frame or the frame after. You can also bind the A or Z button to a shoulder button to make that part more manageable. And of course you can always stick to the normal method. I agree this character might not be for everyone competitively, but don't let that stop you from having fun with him if that is not your goal! :)

[@andrewgarcia8907]

Definitely easier to time with ‘Z,’ but then it makes comboing from Jab or tilt a lot harder.

[@someblanddude]

Someone should send this video to TMM lol. Great stuff.

[@ViedViper]

Lol Thanks!

[@TheMaleficPrince]

Trying this on a pro controller, what is your c-stick set to?

[@justinhaugan1124]

Hi i loved this video but didn't quite get the part at 1:35 to get continous crouch dashes. What would adding df to the thing do? I've been trying and i feel kind of lost in the order, do you add df after? during? step 6? Yeah just that question haha good video.

[@ViedViper]

Thanks! I answered something similar pretty in depth before, so that is good XD. Short Version: If you look at the 1:04 mark just repeat those steps except return your analog to neutral a frame later instead of pressing A. I might go over this more in depth in a video, but here is the longer version. So the fastest you can crouch dash is 3 frames, whether it be the normal method or the c-stick method. With the c-stick method you initiate your dash frame 1 by doing 6. Then while holding forward the whole time you input c-stick down on a later frame and then on the frame you want to crouch dash (within your dash still) you return the c-stick to neutral. So the fastest you can do this is 3 frames and will look like this Frame 1: Analog 6 Frame 2: Analog 6 (hold) + c-stick down Frame 3: Analog 6 (keep holding) + c-stick neutral But holding the analog at 3 after frame 1 will also allow you to crouch dash. So it would look like this Frame 1: Analog 6 Frame 2: Analog 3 (hold) + c-stick down Frame 3: Analog 3 (keep holding) + c-stick neutral So it essentially looks like 1:04 without the A press. To repeat it just set your analog to neutral after frame 3 and repeat the 3 frame input shown above. The process of returning to neutral and starting the input of 6 for a new crouch dash will simultaneously cancel your crouch dash and a start a new one. But I am going to go over all that in a later video. So all together it will looks like this Frame 1: Analog 6 Frame 2: Analog 3 (hold) + c-stick down Frame 3: Analog 3 (keep holding) + c-stick neutral Frame 4: Analog neutral/5 Repeat This is just the fastest way you can do this. Of course you do not have to do it in as quickly as 4 frames over and and over, nor necessarily should you. Also this will work by making the Down Forward input Forward. The point of the down forward analog is that you are always an A press away from an EWGF. Hope this helps!

[@Dbulkss]

I keep getting the punch with no electric. Whatever that move is called. Any ideas why??

[@cloud4876]

it wont do it for me at all lol, i only get down a, do you have an other "tilt" bc i only found "tilt attack" and an other video with an other tech didnt helped either

[@gadget2622]

If you do the down forward input after the C stick input then you can hold down on the C stick while tapping a. So forward > down C stick > downforward + a gets you the input without releasing C stick if I recall correctly. I was Labbing with it for a bit after kazuya came out.

[@ViedViper]

I don't think this is true because you need to release the c-stick to actually crouch dash and crouch dash is (at least it should be) the only state in the game where you can EWGF.

[@gadget2622]

@@ViedViper I'll check when I can but from memory I'm pretty sure doing the downforward input straight after the down-c input forces the crouch dash without needing to centre the C stick because of the way the input buffer works.

[@getembaby4023]

Themainmanswe would be proud 👌

[@Kr0n0s217]

Bruhuuh I been tryna figure out how to do this

[@7nexus708]

Is this still possible right now cause it doesn't seem to be working for me

[@seemorebutts6628]

im tryin this but i keep jus gettin dash attack what am i doin wrong?

[@Nao-dq2yt]

I am having a little trouble with the timing, do you press the down forward first before the C-Stick or C-Stick and then down toward?

[@ViedViper]

You need to start/be in your initial dash to c-stick CD/EWGF so that is why you need to press forward. Then you have to hold either f, df or uf while you do c-stick down, c-stick neutral to get a CD. We want to hold df cause that is what you need for EWGF. Once you release the c-stick to neutral, while holding df you tap A the same frame or the frame after to get EWGF. Check my other video in the pinned comment as well in the EWGF recap section which may help as well.

[@idklol3240]

ik im late to the vid but i was wondering how does this exactly work? im on gamecube and whenever i press the cstick down it just does my down tilt attack, am i supposed to have C stick binded to something else?

[@ViedViper]

Yeah even when I first posted this I wasn't quite sure why it worked, but now understand it. Having c-stick set to tilt is correct, but to get the actual Crouch Dash you need to bring the c-stick back to neutral after inputting down while (still) holding forward on the analog stick. (c-stick Crouch Dash can only be done from you initial dash, so the whole motion will start with a forward input) Holding Down-Forward counts as a forward input as well and when releasing c-stick to neutral and will also give you Crouch Dash while holding Down-Forward. Which works out nicely, since to get an EWGF you need to be holding Down-Forward on what would be the first frame or second frame of CD and tap A. (The standard method with the analog stick can also let you tap A on the down input of DP motion if your next input is Down-Forward) So this means you can stick EWGF just as fast as you can with the standard analog inputs. Though this is more practical on box controllers, but I play on smashbox and found a new method to input EWGF/Crouch Dash using the analog buttons instead. Layout here if intrested (this only works on smashbox box controllers though) twitter.com/ViedViper/status/1535047940661706760 If playing on gamecube controller I think the best method is what most pad players do which is Crouch Dash with the c-stick and EWGF with the analog stick. Also check my other video I posted in the pinned comment that goes over this in more detail as well :)

[@idklol3240]

Would you say the game is playable on a regular box controller used for the average fighting game or is a smash box a necessity @@ViedViper

[@ozmassb2594]

So im consitently getting the dragon punch and gf instead of ewgf, am i not letting go of a fast enough and too slow?

[@ViedViper]

yeah if you get Dragon Uppercut, you are holding A too long. If you get Wind God Fist then you did not Tap A within the first two frames of Crouch Dash or you did not have have DF as the last/third input of Crouch Dash. The intro to this video might help with that more *under the EWGF recap section kzbin.info/www/bejne/rF6qpnaepLmDnZY

[@Don11037]

Hey what's the background music?

[@1Heavyrocker1]

My thumb can't move that fast from the c-stick to the A button. How are you holding the controller?

[@ViedViper]

If you are a pad player I would recommend binding an A button to 1 of the shoulder buttons. Personally I prefer the left shoulder button(s) and on the switch pro controller I would go with L. Also try doing it slower at first by doing 6 3 (hold) c-stick down and then keep holding the c-stick down slightly until you are ready to release it and Tap A right after. Or you can try holding Z instead. hope this helps!

[@mariolozano6920]

So what’s a box remote vs pad, cause I’m using the GameCube controller and this is difficult

[@jacobgraemoor5778]

can someone explain the usefulness of ewfg? Because I can get it to work on the slowest speed in training, but by the time Kazuya starts to respond again after doing the move the enemy has already been launched high up into the air, like even getting another one going misses. The tsunami kick hits but that seemed to be it. At some point I did get it to work on normal speed, and for me, it seemed like flicking the thumbpad diagonally during the last portion of hitting A got it to work more times than not, but only a few of Kazuya's move seemed able to follow up on it after launching and it feels like someone could recover quickly, that and, I think its the dragon uppercut because I think its the move where you hold down the A button, I think that move does more damage than ewgf but I keep hearing its supposed to be the most damaging move. Like I entirely don't understand the usefulness of it, if it involves combos, sure, but the two uppercuts that correspond to the input seem easier to pull off with one of them being more damaging, that and Kazuya seems to have a large enough moveset and enough power that you can go without learning it just because of how frame perfect it has to be.

[@Exslider2]

Is there a way to change movement controls from analog to pad? (On pro controller specially)

[@ViedViper]

Not that I know of unfortunately :( Someone did comment here that they can on their SN30 Pro controller, but that look likes it comes at a lost of either the Left Analog Stick or the Right Analog Stick.

[@finalflash1359]

Could left stick sensitivity be a factor in doing this move? I feel like I can’t land it and my sense is high

[@ViedViper]

It shouldn't play a factor at all

[@bond3161]

Still can't do this! Some advice please.

[@Ruckus790]

I'm trying to get this I wish I could see a controller actually doing the inputs

[@ViedViper]

I think the hardest part is getting the c-stick release and tapping A the same frame or the next frame. So what I would suggest is breaking it up into two parts. For the first part do Frame 1: Analog 6 Frame 2: Analog 3 (hold) + c-stick down Then when ever you are ready, within the 10 frames or so release the c-stick and immediately tap A. I would recommend binding A to a shoulder button or even just use the Z button. You can hold the z button since it is a macro for shield + tap A, but keep in mind you will not be able to buffer EWGF with the z button because the shield input will take priority.

[@IANDURBECK]

Funny because its similar to the EWGF in Tekken 7. Where all you need is f, d/f to do the input. But still has to be super precise

[@ViedViper]

Yeah kinda. In Tekken 7 you can PEWGF with f, n df+2. Here you just replace the neutral with some c-stick shenanigans and its is almost the same, at least kinda in notation lol.

[@Dante33ification]

This only makes me want to get a box more now UGHHH

[@mikaela5938]

might try this later. only have gcc and pro controller and really dislike the latter for how tricky getting diagonals is on it, so im not sure how effective I'll be with it but it will probably be more consistent than almost never like currently for me

[@ViedViper]

Yeah! May as well try for sure! I agree, the best thing going for the gamecube controller is the analog stick and it's octagonal gate. Though I did see some switch pro controller shells with octagonal gates fro like 20 bucks. No idea how good they are though.

[@oface9062]

What is tilt stick

[@xeslayer102]

Would it better to learn this method? Or stick with the traditional method as I can get ewgf 70% of the time?

[@ViedViper]

I'd say stick with the traditional method. It is better and you are already fairly consistent with it

[@StoneThaProfit]

Can this or the original EWGF be done on a joy con ? Thats how i play lmao

[@macaronin9429]

I can tell this is probably an easier way to pull off ewgf, but I’m trying to execute it using the steps and I can’t get anything more than random random attacks, not even wgf. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong, but at this point it feels like it would be harder to learn this than practicing the timing.

[@ViedViper]

I wouldn't say it is necessarily easier than the normal input, but I think if you understand it better it can be easier itself. So the hardest part is probably being able to release the c-stick and press A/Z on the same frame or the frame after. Then the rest of the input you can take slower. Always start with the dash frame 1 and nothing else on that frame. Then the c-stick down and the analog stick down forward can probably be done within the next 10 frames or so. After that, when you are ready, release the c-stick to neutral and quickly tap A/Z. I hope this help, remember the best way is the way that works for you. Try them all and see what methods are the most consistent, fast, easy

[@Heartache2491]

I'll have to give this a try! I've been suffering with this since day one Edit: so, so far, I keep getting either a down tilt, or the held electric punch (the one that doesn't stun but just outright kills) I must be doing something wrong. I tried mapping one of my shoulder buttons to attack but its resulted in me getting more smash attacks, so I'm a bit at a loss

[@ViedViper]

If you are getting down tilt you are probably inputting the c-stick too early or at the same time you dash forward on your analog stick. You have to input c-stick after your dash, not necessarily 1 frame later but still quick enough to where when you would release it you get a crouch dash. If you are getting Dragon Uppercut you are either holding the A button too long or not bringing the analog to down forward. If you are holding A too long try pressing Z instead since that is a macro for shield + Tap A. Also try taking it a bit slower. I'm going to pin a comment from somebody else who has a good system for getting it on pad, so reading that as well I think will help.

[@lasagna3971]

so qeustion. does tilt mean like tilt attack? cause im confused about that thx

[@ViedViper]

yes that exactly right. In your control scheme you set your right analog stick/c-stick to Tilt Attack.

[@TheANSONATOR]

What is the name of the song you are using in this? It sounds so familiar like a Shin Megami Tensei boss theme or dungeon them. Thanks great video too!!

[@ViedViper]

Thanks! This song is in the game as Kazuya Mishima, Devil Kazuya and is the original version of the song not the remix. Although both are good imo. The original version also might have better quality from the actual Tekken game(s) though.

[@TheANSONATOR]

@@ViedViper Yooo mint. Thank you for that! I started with Tekken 3 so I didn't recognise it haha

[@noahpeltier]

I do not understand. I’ve been practicing g this input for days and I’ve not ONCE hit an ewgf. Am I supposed to let go of all buttons and then tap A?

[@ViedViper]

You need to release the c-stick to neutral and press A on the same frame or the frame after while your analog stick is down forward. Releasing c-stick to neutral will put you in your Crouch Dash state and you have to be very quick to tap A.

[@grimarbit0r321]

I am having so much trouble getting a crouch dash out of the downward c stick.. I always seem to get down tilt.. and I saw in the comments that means you’re doing down on the c stick too early but I can’t seem to land more than a very sporadic crouch dash between many down tilts.. :/ any pointers?…

[@ViedViper]

You have to make sure you are holding a forward direction (either F, UF, or DF) until you release the c-stick back to neutral. You can only do it your initial dash and only within the first 11 frames or so iirc. Hope this helps!

[@grimarbit0r321]

@@ViedViper ok cool. Thx :)

[@trystian8539]

I can’t seem to do this on box for some reason, pretty sure I’m just doing it wrong though, what’s the best way to input the down forward on box?

[@ViedViper]

I play on Smash Box and I do not use c-stick CD or c-stick Electric anymore. This is my base layout I've made since and still use to this date (it will only work on Smash Box though) twitter.com/ViedViper/status/1535047940661706760 Just about every Smash Box Kazuya player uses this as there base layout for CDs and Electric which uses the analog motions instead now.

[@trystian8539]

@@ViedViper Okay gotcha, I play on a openframe1 based DIY box running on pico rectangle, im not sure how to change everything unfortunately

[@ViedViper]

@@trystian8539 This is how I would c-stick Electric on box. Instead of having Mode, Tilt, I would put c-stick down, c-stick up over those buttons respectively Then this would be to CD Frame 1: F (F) Frame 2: F + c-stick up (F c-stick up) Frame 3: F + c-stick up + c-stick down (F c-stick neutral) and this would be to Electric Frame 1: F (F) Frame 2: F + c-stick up (F c-stick up) Frame 3: F + D + c-stick up + c-stick down + A Tap (DF c-stick neutral +A) So the only difference is that you would need to end on DF with your left hand. So the whole sequence of button presses would be about the same as how I would do it with my now Mode Tilt method in my tweet I linked. *Hopefully you can at least find a way on how to change your controls so you can at least play around and see what you like.

[@trystian8539]

@@ViedViper thanks, I really appreciate the help but I’m still not really getting it. Is there a discord or something for box kazuyas so i can ask questions?

[@ShinnyMetal]

It's definitely pretty darn awkward on pad. You can press z at least which I believe can't be "held" and accidentally do the electric dragon.

[@ViedViper]

Wow that's very clever! iirc z is just a macro for R+Tap A. I'm going to look into that more later, thanks! Yeah I was anticipating it would be at the very least an awkward input on pad lol

[@biblesmash]

Which part of this process is made easier with the Z button, like the tilt and release C stick to press A part ? Or is the tilt c stick still necessary to do the crouch dash. Thanks

[@ViedViper]

@@biblesmash Yes! The only part made easier by using the Z button over the A button is that it registers a tap input regardless if you physically hold the z button or not. You would still need to tilt stick c-stick using this method. The downside to using the Z button over the A button is that you can not buffer EWGF using the Z button since its still inputs shield and that has a higher priority. So you will most likely end up rolling or spot dodging if you try to buffer EWGF with Z.

[@goaway5152]

After hating Kazuya players for so long, I now have a respect for ones that can skillfully use one, and consider them worthy opponents.

[@Aivo382]

The serious question is who in the world will be able to move the finger from a downwards cstick into A so quickly

[@TreeNutYT]

THE CLAWWWWWW

[@blockraven22]

Not sure if it’s because I use pro controller, but It’s actually 2 frames when you- [tap forward], and then all 3 buttons at the same time- [hold down+forward, tap down(right analog with tilt attack), tap attack button]. With zr button as attack it makes it relatively easy to execute. Also I can’t see to connect those 2 electric after you kick them. You do 11% damage while I do 10% not sure what it is maybe amiibo?

[@ViedViper]

I do not think that is correct because your first frame has to be 6/tap forward. Can't input c-stick or the A Button on the first frame because those will take priority over the Analog stick and do those corresponding attacks/tilts. So now we move on to frame 2 after starting our initial dash on frame 1. Next we need to get into a crouch dash, we'll we do that with the c-stick macro and so we hold down on our tilt stick. What we can also do on frame 2 is move our analog stick to down forward. What we can't do on frame 2 is press A since the game already thinks we are pressing A with our tilt stick. This due to tilt stick being a macro for direction + A. So if you were to do a tilt attack with c-stick and hold it there, If you try to press A after the attack is done nothing will come out because the game thinks you are already holding A with the tilt stick. And since you are also already holding down on the c-stick on frame 2, the game will not recognize it being released until the next frame being frame 3. So on frame 3 we can now release our c-stick and press A. Thus doing the process outlined in this video at the 1:04 mark. Type of controller should never and you can try your methods frame by frame like I did in the vid. So after you do trip it might depend on the char if you can hit them with the first electric after. Since Bowser is big of course we can hit them with an Electric after we trip them. The reason I can hit them with second Electric after the first Electric is because my percent is at 99. Should work with around like 95% to 99%. As for me doing more damage its because in the training mode options I change Stale Moves to On. This how they in work in a real match and is probably what you want for most of your training sessions. IT will default to Off, so you will have to change to On every time. Should have nothing to do with Amibos. Oh boy that was a lot lol, but I hope this helps!

[@blockraven22]

@@ViedViper oh it works now after I turned on stale moves. Thanks!

[@MrM30w]

Cool video, do you want to do some 1v1s

[@zerauchiha2200]

DORYA

[@ravencoventry1550]

man its hard getting this consistently on a pro controller. especially on my left (im not really good on my left)

[@mortisedthegamer778]

I keep getting crouch dash into uppercut. Am I doing it too fast. Flicking too fast, or Holding C-stick too long

[@ViedViper]

Try taking this frame by frame to understand it better and for practice try with the Z-button instead. Remap it to the A button spot if you want as well then change back after you get the hang of it and practice with A. The Z button is a macro for Shield+Tap A, even if you hold it for what would be too long you will still get WGF or EWGF. You go into CD when you release the c-stick to neutral, so you can't really hold that for too long. This is probably a harder method to do on pad and c-stick Crouch Dash/EWGF has a lot of faults compared to the standard method as well. I'd try to learn the standard method if you play pad. Also stick to pressing Z, it is just for practice since you can not buffer an EWGF with Z cause the macro will give you roll forward from the shield input.

[@Tommy-ut7od]

Idk how to do it. Sometimes it feels like i have to press A at the same time as the c-stick is down and sometimes not. I’m a little confused cause whenever i feel like i’m doing neutral c stick A it just does wgf. Maybe i’ll just stick to 3 inputs directional

[@ViedViper]

Since tilt-stick is a macro for direction plus A, you can not press A while holding tilt stick down. Also you need to release c-stick to neutral in your initial dash in order to Crouch Dash while holding either f, df or uf. Since you need to tap A on the first or second frame of CD while holding df to EWGF you want to go from f to start your initial dash to df so you can EWGF. The other vid I linked in my pin comment goes over this in more detail in the EWGF recap section. Also this method is not for best method for everyone, if the standard method is working for you, I would stick with that. Also this method comes with a few other limitations.

[@Tommy-ut7od]

@@ViedViper yea i see what your saying. I think im not pressing it fast enough cause i didnt realise you had to press it in the 1st/2nd frame of the crouch dash. Thats why i could wgf consistently but just confused why it wasn’t electric. Thanks so much for the help tho :D

[@iframes7]

Since the Z button is a marco for Shield+Attack, you can actually do the method and press the grab button and the Attack input will take priority since you can't shield during a crouch dash. S as far as I'm concerned, you don't have to remap anything.

[@ViedViper]

Yup! Just be wary that you will not be able to buffer EWGF (for the most part) with the Z button, since the shield input has a higher priority and will most likely give you a roll.

[@iframes7]

@@ViedViper indeed, while I was labbing I was able to do it fairly well but when I tried implementing it into combos it didn't work.

[@ViedViper]

@@s7 It didn't work in terms of it not coming out or it not connecting? It should work in combos just like the normal EWGF input. Especially since this method, just like the normal method also starts with the 6/dash versus like the crouching dp method (323+A) which has no 6/dash.

[@iframes7]

@@ViedViper as in it didn't came out. Like you said, you can't buffer it because it gives you a shield, which ends in a roll or sometimes a tilt for me. Though I found that if you time the EWGF, you get a bit extra distance from the crouch dash, which can be helpful in catching DI away from a dthrow, so this method can be applied to those situations.

[@ViedViper]

@@s7 I think it is just a timing issue then. The weirdest one for me is after crouch jab, cause you just have to do it much later then what I initially thought. I don't think you can get too much extra distance from crouch dash to EWGF by delaying the A press. I don't think it is more than a frame. but you can definitely do Crouch Dash/EWGF much further in your initial dash. Yeah for sure! Delaying it a bit, especially after down-throw will help connect it more often against people who are further away. Although you got to keep in mind not to do it too late to where they can drop out. Seems like sometimes you need to find a nice balance of distance and startup speed.

[@Super_EpicGuy]

Dude, this guide is almost perfect except for the fact you didn't know the grab button, which is almost always a shoulder button on controllers, works instead of A

[@ViedViper]

Thanks! I don't play on pad anymore so I didn't really considered it at the time of making this even though when I did play on pad I use to kara sweep into light specials with the grab button lol. And when I did play pad I had A on a shoulder button anyway for other techs. But yeah grab does use the A input since it is just a macro for shield + Tap A (which is why it gives you light specials) so you will have to keep in mind that you can not buffer EWGF with grab because the shield input will take priority and most likely give you a roll. Even though on box it easier to press Z, I still don't use it cause I do not want to get into a bad habit buffering roll when I want EWGF lol. But aside from that it works great cause like you said most people already have it on their shoulder button :)

[@SuperSky101406]

When I do it his hand gets electric effects so why is it called electric wind god fist of no electric effect

[@Nox0w]

is this method better?

[@gietie1694]

I keep getting the non-electric input, what am i doing wrong?

[@ViedViper]

If you are getting regular Wind God Fist, you are just doing it a bit too late. Make sure you tap A the frame you enter Crouch Dash or the frame after.

[@TheRedCreeperTRC]

how am i supposed to push the cstick and press a at the same time?

[@ViedViper]

You need to release c-stick to neutral and press A on the same frame or the frame after. You can also try Z as well since that is a macro for Shield + Tap A. I would recommend pressing A or Z on a shoulder button if you are playing on pad.

[@Kat-ru4ej]

Yo, actually. I've been sturggling with this even at slow motion but im actually getting the input now. Ive tried esams and other guides but i only got the normal one lol

[@ViedViper]

Yeah if the normal input works best for you, use that method. Keep doing the method that works best for you! No harm done in at least trying this method as well though.

[@Kat-ru4ej]

@@ViedViper yeah. I play pad, But i can do this method more on normal time. I can probably do it regularly if i practice more. The timing is just really foreign to me lol

[@Kat-ru4ej]

@@ViedViper YOOO. dude i can actually do this somewhat consistently even facing to the right. Because uhh. I generally have trouble doing thing when i have to the right but yeah. I find my problem was flicking the c stick at the same time as the dash rather then when i hold down and right. Once i figured that out it got easier. I also found instead of hitting a and a button instead i can do the speical version like instantly after a grab its weird but thank you man

[@ViedViper]

@@Kat-ru4ej Heeey Lets Go!!! No Problem! Lol I usually have the opposite problem where I am better facing left cause that is where you start in most training modes and that is where I tend to stay. Yeah that is probably a good way to do it on pad since you need to be holding down forward when you press A.

[@mortisedthegamer778]

What song is this?

[@DrMcMario]

what is a box like controller? can i just use the gamecube controller for this? and do i have to claw grip for this

[@ViedViper]

A box controller is a fairly new type of controller that is like an arcade stick but it replaces the left analog stick with four directional buttons. For traditional fighting games that tends to be a hitbox and for smash I use something similar called a smashbox that also has additional buttons for your c-stick and other modifiers. Yes you can use a gamecube controller, the only thing required is setting your controller settings to tilt. No you do not need to use claw grip if you use A/Z on a shoulder button. Hope this helps!

[@DrMcMario]

@@ViedViper so i should set the A button to Z also? or i can press Z in place of A? sorry im a little confused about that part

[@ViedViper]

@@DrMcMario Sorry, what I meant is that pressing either A or Z gives you EWGF, since Z (grab) is a macro for Shield + Tap A. So having either of those on your shoulder buttons makes it much easier and lets you avoid using a claw grip. Edit: Oh and most people already have Z on their shoulder button so that is convenient lol

[@DrMcMario]

@@ViedViper oh ok thanks for clarifying, and thanks for all your help! i really appreciate it

[@Aflay1]

They’ve done it. The infinite DORYA! Ganon would be proud.

[@ravaniphoenix5431]

Kazuya been saying Dorya waaaaaaay before Ganon.

[@Aflay1]

@@ravaniphoenix5431 truuuu