NEW Behringer WING Rack - A Rack-Mounted Behringer WING

[@dreamdrummer01]

As Phil Collins once said: “And I've been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh Lord”

[@KENNETHCOOPER55]

You are just a wealth of knowledge Not sure how long it took you to learn all the wing has to offer, but good on you for doing so & making tutorials to teach others Amazing 😊

[@peadookie]

Totally agreed. Tbh, I think it was a smart move by Behringer - crap manual and they knew they wouldn’t be able to produce a good one, so they hired this guy who just NAILED it in video!

[@DavyTonesLocker]

Drew, my new Wing Rack is an amazing piece of tech, and I would love to see an updated and in-depth tutorial series specific to the rack interfaces and current capabilities/software. I’d use that as a paid series, as well, if that was the option.

[@tractorgt]

Neat item. Need it to ship before March though so we can incorporate it into our new outdoor venue.

[@thomasjclay]

Great meeting you at the churchfront conference! I was the guy that shook your hand after your breakout class. Once again, appreciate you!!

[@rolfdc2934]

100k subscribers, well done Drew.

[@TheXIT]

Hi Drew, Thanks for your videos. Are you able to use the XTouch with it? I haven’t been able to. Also, I’m not getting USB audio into my DAW (playback works fine) any idea what’s causing that?

[@daviddonnan5]

Do we think the headphone outs will get some sort of upgrade via firmware so they can be used as separate channels from the aux outs?

[@thomasjclay]

Teach us how to use this to mix in ears please and how to integrate it with a full size or compact wing

[@minhuang8848]

you know he will

[@SoundMusicCo]

Great video as always. Would Love a video on the DP48. You previously didn’t explain all the menus. Also a real life hook up using a console thru a hub 4 to stage boxes & dp48. There is no manual on the dp48 menus anywhere.

[@EventStreamTeam]

Can you control the wing rack from the behringer xtouch?

[@joeljohnson9583]

I wanna know too

[@phillippowers6905]

Same!

[@chamstreet1]

The answer I got from Sweetwater, after consulting with Behringer, is not at this time.

[@rolfdc2934]

Yes! By using the mixing station software, both via usb and internet.

[@Damo_Drummer]

Nice summary, Drew - Thanks and much appreciated.

[@jethri]

Nice over view of the virtual and physical controls, that's great info. I'm still bummed the 4 stereo headphone outs are just physically linked amplified signals of the same sources sent to the XLRs above. I think it's worth pointing out since it is one of the few downgrades (in unique physical outputs) from the X32 Rack. Makes this less of a drop-in replacement.

[@jethri]

I should say however, still amazing capabilities at an amazing price! And adding something like a stageconnect IO or an SD8 is really a fine solution-not to mention they both give you back an ultranet port, if that was something you need!

[@TheXIT]

Hi! Can the waves card be purchased separately and user installed?

[@greengrovers]

Thanks for your grat videos! One question: Is there a way to use the four headphone outputs to feed our four stereo in-ear transmitters? Thanks

[@niels__vdb]

Thanks for this great video:) I would love to see a video dedicated to setting up the WING rack as a monitor system. We have a 5 piece band and are looking for a rack mixer for out IEMs. This thing looks awesome! :O I'm especially curious (I'm pretty new to this, so excuse my noobness;) it you can proces channels per monitor mix. So for example if I wanted a bit more verb on my vocals, on just my mix, could this be done? Or maybe some EQ-moves that wouldn't necessarily be favourable for FOH or my band mates, but for example I really want to high pass my vocals to 300/350-ish Hz for example. I hope you can make a video on that somewhere in the future. Kind regards, have a great day! Niels

[@caiquevidal]

I have a regular input of 32 channels, do I need to get a stage box to expand the wing inputs?

[@DanCeese]

Hi! Great vid as always. I just wonder whether if there'd be any x-touch integration for Wing rack or the wing edit app any time soon? I figured that the rack will need to be on stage side. If there are any FOH engineers who wish to have physical faders while using Wing rack, x-touch could be a possible viable choice, maybe?

[@wattage2007]

Mixing station will no doubt soon support it so you can have fully customisable control from X-touch.

[@unfree.radical]

Was going to order a second DL16 to use with my M32C that is my main console. Now for the price difference, I'm seriously considering getting the Wing Rack. Then I can just slave my M32C over AES50 if I get a big enough show to justify having a dedicated monitor engineer. That's a plot twist 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@neildocherty]

AU = astronomical units so 4 AU = 371 million miles - that's a big unit - I'd expect more inputs! Joking aside, I've only heard of RU (i.e. rack units) or simply U being used. Is AU an American thing?

[@jazzcat123]

"4-A-U high", gave me a good chuckle. Like, I know you mean RU, but AU is a wildly different measurement of distance, comically so.

[@dentalstories]

What about the 4 headphone outputs on 6.3 JACK's. Do these outputs work as independent ones or do they duplicate everything that is output on the XLR?

[@yter2063]

As far as I read elsewere they only duplicate the XLR's, sadly...

[@MingTian666]

thanks for the overview ... there is an USB interface - how good it is ... good enough or do I need an additional high class USB interface ?

[@oignonprod]

Will there be a MADI extension card for the wing?

[@yter2063]

I would like to know how to install the internal expansion card myself and whether it is possible to use the Brooklyn II module of an X-Dante card in the Wing.

[@angelorasmijn7306]

If it had 4 hub4 outputs for the DP48 mixers, instead of the 4 headphones output, I would buy this in a heartbeat.

[@ilyaliner]

What prevents us from connecting them in series using one connector?

[@angelorasmijn7306]

@@ilyalinernothing, but then you will have to use the PSU with each DP48. And I don’t want that.

[@ilyaliner]

@@angelorasmijn7306 Calculating the power supply will lead to a simple answer from engineers: use an external powered switch unit. ...You can demand a 1000w amplifier FOH))

[@yongsta210]

Do they have the wing rack with the waves module internal soundgrid card out yet?

[@liveatjelleysjamroom7929]

I have one on order. Quick question: Can aux outputs be routed to the headphone outs? (I am assuming this cannot be done)

[@ckjjclan]

Are the 4 headphone outs on the back mirrors of the main L/R out? Or can you make individual mixes one each of those 4 headphone outs?

[@sethcenterbar]

Possibly dumb question. Is it possible in any way to feed an iem transmitter with the headphone outs? Kinda sucks for my use case that we lose the 6 aux outs if there's no way to do that.

[@morsikpl]

Headphone amps are internally connected to XLR outs anyway unfortunately :( You can't send separate signal to them, you can route only to "LOCAL OUTS", so "LOCAL OUT 1 + 2" in software is XLR 1, XLR 2 and Headphone Amp 1/2.

[@bbrrwwnn]

Hi Drew, I am wondering where a good place to start would be if the Wing Rack is my first mixer in twenty years. I know how to mix, about busses, I run Logic Pro without issue. But the Wing Rack baffles me. I can't even get reverb on my vocals. The workflow and thinking is clearly different. Thank you

[@1shannonleggette]

Hi Drew. How the effects on the wing?

[@andylauer4244]

Hi Drew , we from the Beta Team are hard to explain day by day by day x times, the routing of busses , it seems nobody understand the system of local out to xlr and hard wired phones outputs. Maybe a video of exactly this maybe with the option to get more outputs with the DL4816-O would be soooo helpful :-) you think you could made this possible , its easier to answer with a link in facebook then to begin each time the explanation 😂 many thanks Drew.

[@TheXIT]

A video would be good but also how some basic, common sense, default routings from the factory would be nice. It took me an hour just to route a Local channel input Mic out to USB and into my DAW. I understand there can be a learning curve with new products but some of this is really non-intuitive. Also, I've spent several hours trying to get my X touch to work with no progress until someone said it's not compatible. That's crazy and if true it needs to be noted in a get started document. I'm using 3.xx firmware.

[@MaxLotti]

a question Drew, is it possible to control the wing rack with the faders of an x32 compact?

[@johngreer9124]

Thanks for the many videos. Question about the wing Rack. Does it have scenes capability as the Xrack did?

[@PastorJorgeCarlosMartinez]

How can I connect a p16-m to this device??

[@GimmetheHotSaucePodcast]

Can I use dante and waves at the same time ?

[@grahamwolfe2389]

Yes, but the DANTE card is a separate purchase and it replaces the dual SD live recording card

[@channel19428]

Does it have fine grained multi user access control like the Yamaha TF-Rack?

[@Jose-Angel-Rizo-Garcia]

Hola buenas tardes, me gustaría que hicieras un vídeo explicando la función de copiar y pegar en la consola Wing con la última versión de firmware 3.0.4 ya que estoy un poco confundido de cómo realizar esta acción. Muchas gracias de antemano.

[@UtibeOkuk-x5l]

Can we use this for Broadcast and just copy scenes from the main wing board or do we have to name our inputs from 1 to 48 all over again

[@pipelineaudio]

Are you saying you don't need a card slot for the USB audio interface like on the X32? The USB port by the ethernet ports is the USB audio I/O?

[@sammyqube]

Yep that’s the USB IO port.

[@pipelineaudio]

@@sammyqube AWESOME!!!! So then what is the front panel one for? Why would you need the SD card in the card slot if it can record on the front panel I/O while the back panel USB is for recording to the computer?

[@sound4uaudiovideorecording927]

Essentially, there are two card “slots” on the wing rack. One looks like the x32 card slot. It comes with the USB card. There is also an internal “slot”. This you can add either a waves card or a Dante card which will installed before shipping to you.

[@pipelineaudio]

@@sound4uaudiovideorecording927 Every wing rack Ive seens on a video has come with the SD card, not the USB one. I think someone is saying that the actual rear panel USB port has the same functionality as the add on USB card the X32 used to have (that came stock with X32's but was 32x32 rather than the Rack's 8x48)

[@sound4uaudiovideorecording927]

@@pipelineaudio of course you’re correct. SD card on the ext “slot”, not USB . The USB “port” on wing rack is for sending to DAW, iirc. Thanks for the correction. I have been told that the two RJ outlets on the wing rack, when Dante installed inside, will not function yet until an update comes from Behringer. Why? I don’t know.

[@ondramlcoch4771]

Can i use with it Behringer X Touch?

[@HiFiHoney]

Can the StageConnect Converter be used with the StageConnect jack to allow connecting P16 units over Ultranet?

[@naakaalastudio6655]

Is it possible to incorporate thing Wing Rack as an FX processing unit with the M32. So for example we are limited to 4 send FX on the M32. Could we use a Wing Rack to get more send FX. How would this be done over AES50?

[@DJTEMPO868]

Using the Wing for FOH which stage box should I get that will allow me to use all 48 channels. Also do you recommend another wing for BOH or the Wing compact, and why? Thanks in advance!

[@romunhozdrums]

I'm thinking of changing my ui24 in my studio.....my question is, can I record the processed audio from the wing to my Daw? Or the effects,eqs,comp etc sounds cant't be on this signal from the desk to my Daw like in the UI 24.Thanks!

[@nimeshamadushani3116]

can you tell me where is the main out put

[@raygringo]

I'm wondering the same thing, especially if I also need to use the 8 outputs to create 4 stereo in-ear monitor mixes.

[@sebastiencaapi1960]

The wing is a PRO mixer and therefore, flexible, so you decide in the routing section where you want to send your main LR Same thing for internal FX busses, it’s the user who have to set it up But once you have set the mixer for your needs, you can save this setup as a « template » snapshot, and recall it when you start a new patch

[@sebastiencaapi1960]

@@raygringoif you need more than 3 stereo in-ears alongside a MAIN LR section, then you will need a stage box

[@raygringo]

@@sebastiencaapi1960 I’m an X32 Rack user and I use outputs 1-6 to handle three stereo IEMs, and then use two of the aux outputs for the 4th stereo IEM. This works very well for us for fly dates/festivals because it means less gear to carry and less expense. Our splitter for FOH is also in the same rack as the X32, so a stage box isn’t required for 4 stereo IEMs. With the Wing, you lose the physical (and, very useful) aux outputs and have to buy a stage box in order to accomplish what we already have with the X32. Reminds me of the 2016 MacBook Pro - a more powerful machine but less ports and no MagSafe power connection. Of course, Apple ultimately added some ports back in 2021 when they released the M1 MacBook Pro. Yes, the Wing is a “pro” mixer, but being essentially pushed into having to buy a stage box in order to accomplish what we already have with the X32’s physical connection options isn’t very thoughtful/helpful for bands that need to keep things very compact and lightweight for airline travel. The Wing Rack is very impressive, and I will be ordering one for non-fly dates and likely as an audio interface for tracking band demos, but I’ll need to have a think as to how best to use it for fly dates. It’s also now a 4 space unit versus three space with the X32, so that also means I will have to buy a bigger SKB Fly Rack - bump up from a 6 space to an 8 space, which means more weight and larger dimensions - more expense. As good as the Wing is, it still misses some very important details for those of us who travel for shows.

[@pavlogalom2395]

Hi possibly can i use my wing rack as a stage box for yamaha tf? what is needed for this (I know that this is not a very good idea, but I have such a situation)

[@Trident67]

Please tell me how the routing sends to the 4 TRS headphone outputs on the rear panel are assigned. Are they tied to the physical XRL outputs or do they have free routing? If the buses on them are assigned separately from the XRL outputs, then what are the TRS outputs called in the routing output panel? Like auxes?

[@АлексейСаундов]

Hi! Please give me the factory firmware for the Wing Rack. Version 2.x. Is needed to update the external Dante card. On 3.x, it does not work in the Dante controller. You can download it by USB cable.

[@kakanitapetra2074]

pak buat video cara koneksi produk ini dengan plugin waves super rack performer.makasih pak

[@wayneburrell5664]

My main question: Many of us have spent many hours learning and “perfecting” our scenes. Can we copy our scenes via usb stick from an x32 and move them to the wing rack. Or do we have to learn a whole new system and learn how to create mixes all over again. That would be nightmarish. Ive personally spent soo much time doing this.

[@sebastiencaapi1960]

There is a third party scene converter that already exist for that purpose 😊

[@dejanCupeX]

Hey, does using dynamics plugins (like la2 on a channel) increase latency like in "effects inserts"? What is general latency in insert effects? Is it like in x32 or more? 16 slots is great, but how much latency does it sum? Can you change the source for hedphones outs?

[@ALCOFRE]

Silly question I know....who thought it was a good idea to put the power switch in the back? How are we supposed to power this thing when fully mounted on a rack? Are we supposed to crawl behind every single time?

[@neob9017]

Will the WSG internal card be available for purchase?

[@annebokma4637]

Same question for the Dante

[@phillippowers6905]

My questions are: is the xtouch compatible w this? Also are the S and SD stage boxes compatible w this mixer?

[@yter2063]

Hi I don't have a WING console myself, but read in a different comment, you should be able to control it with a X-Touch when using MixingStation. Officially by Behringer it's not supported (yet). The S and SD stage boxes should work with the unit...

[@FOHGeek]

A little bit pity that the headphone jack can't be patched separated from XLR outputs above e.g. Bus 1-8 for XLR's and Bus 9-16 for phones...

[@leoguiders]

Can I use the Wing Rack as a Stage Box for the X32?

[@sound4uaudiovideorecording927]

Why not? Seems like you output the inputs to aes50 so the x32 can pick them up.

[@expressmuzicmedia8921]

Please I need one know something about my multitrack record on my XR18, all my effects don’t always coming to my recording sometimes my mix will not come on in my DAW

[@robertsimpson5801]

Hey, Drew, quick question for you: if we order the Wing rack from Sweetwater, and it does not have an internal 64 x 64 card, how do we purchase a card and install it in the Wing?

[@sound4uaudiovideorecording927]

I asked my Sweetwater guy this same question. He didn’t know, but called me back to say that they could install the Dante card, in my case, into it before it ships. He just will charge me for it and the labor to install it.😊

[@daviddonnan5]

Is there anything in the specification about wifi capabilities? It would be great if it had decent wifi

[@daviddonnan5]

Ignore that, I've just seen it has nothing onboard.

[@sound4uaudiovideorecording927]

@@daviddonnan5you really want it outboard anyway. Just sayin’.

[@daviddonnan5]

@@sound4uaudiovideorecording927 It was always going to be outboard, I just wondered if they had sorted it.

[@BeatsAndMeats]

Are the headphone outputs tied to the 8 XLR Outputs on the back of the Wing Rack or can then all be used simultaneously? Due to reasons that are too stupid to explain, I need 19 XLR Outputs plus 5 Stereo headphone outputs for IEMs (29 Outputs in total). I’m wondering if I’m going to need one Midas DN4816-O or two in order to get this done?

[@annebokma4637]

Yups, want 😂 just need a black x-touch to color coordinate (and take away the 90's vibe 😂)

[@dust45a]

I just got my wing rack. I’m having problems. My EQ and low pass / HP filter not responding. No effect to the sound even when I set it up. Volume control not responding to output and input. What I’m I doing wrong. ?

[@peadookie]

Did you do the assignment screen thing? I remember reading about that yesterday as I’m researching this mixer

[@dust45a]

I got it to work. I just needed more time figuring out the unit. Work great. 😊

[@whathobbythisweek]

I like it but it still falls short of how I wish things worked (specifically for me). 32 in 48 out. Something I can use to record up to 32 mics into my daw and spit out at least 32 channels of audio into my old analog board to mixdown the old school way. And perhaps a feature that operates independent of the main system with 2 channels to mixdown to. Essentially a digital replacement for two 2'' machines and a 1/4'' machine. I like big boards and analog gear in my chain.

[@fazmanicg]

Do you treat the 4 headphone outs as any other output? - In other words, can I create 4 Stereo IEMs which are controllable via remote

[@sebastiencaapi1960]

Yes, it’s basically a Stereo output BUS . The 4 TRS outputs are just more convenient to plug directly a stereo headphone. But this is just the same output as the 8 XLR above, (it’s not 4 extra stereo outputs) When the bus is configured as Stereo, you operate it via 1 fader only

[@ameyjadhav7008]

Hi, it's amol rane from INDIA, first of all I want to tell you that I have a four console, x32, m32, xr18 & ofcourse wing. my all console perfectly working with p16/ turbosound tfx 152 & behringer xtouch except wing, because the lack of ultranet connectivity, I can understand that but what about xtouch connectivity? Sometimes we need more number of faders & it's possible with xtouch, then why can't connect with wing, when xtouch connect with wing or wing rack, it will help for all byers, just think about it! Thank you.

[@musicmankeyz]

I know this video is about the rack but I kind of feel like the folks who bought the original wing are being left out. Right now there is firmware version 3.0 on the new units but the original wing doesn't have that update as yet. Also the WSG module how do I get it in the original wing..

[@Joel-Monterra]

The new units officially are available, but you have to wait some weeks to get a unit shipped. So, I guess version 3.0 for the existing WINGs simultaneously releases when the first units of the new batch will ship. I guess Drew kind of wrongly explained the SoundGrid-matter, because he just means that there is the possibility to add a Waves expansion card which then can utilise the built-in ethernet ports.

[@sebastiencaapi1960]

I have just flashed my (grey) wing with the 3.0 firmware and it’s obviously fine :) This is juste the « old » page for the full wing where the 3.0 firmware does not show, if you go to the Full Black wing product page, the v3 firmware is there ! Behringer will update the site, as also for now, you can’t see yet the product page for the WING-WSG wave card …

[@musicmankeyz]

@@sebastiencaapi1960 I already downloaded the firmware but was afraid to update it. Didn't want to brick the board lol lol...was waiting to see if someone tried it. Then that would give me some confidence lol

[@sebastiencaapi1960]

@@musicmankeyzI’ve done it today, and it work flawlessly ! It’s just the behringer product pages that have to be harmonized 😊

[@matthewcselby]

It's a shame that channels don't have independent inserts like the Allen and Heath mixers do. For example, when using Waves/external gear we will either need to send and return the entire channel or burn the 16 FX slots to insert that send and return.

[@robertsimpson5801]

Would the WSG card solve that problem?

[@sebastiencaapi1960]

Shame has a price, Allen and heath SQ is almost twice the price of the wing and you have to pay for the extra channel plugins (comp, eq , dynamics), only 8 effect slots, and if I remember corectly, dynamics eq, deeser, and multicomp also burn an fx rack because those addons cannot be used as DEEP processing. The soundgrid card is also more expensive, same thing for the stage boxes, and there is no 32-16 as Behringer and Midas … So honestly, I won’t bother burning 4 fx slots for specific channel, and /or sending an entire channel or Busses if I really need the 16 slots … The wave superrack can replace all the wing channel processing easily. So much money did I will save doing this way 😊 (I sold my SQ5 with all addons 6 years ago)

[@matthewcselby]

@@sebastiencaapi1960 forsure, shame is the wrong way to phrase that 😜 Midas Wing wishlist 💸

[@sebastiencaapi1960]

@@matthewcselby 😁 They have managed to implement bus send to bus, maybe the processing architecture of the wing allow this kind of upgrade also … wait and see !

[@matthewcselby]

@@sebastiencaapi1960 just saw this and more in 3.0 - very exciting!

[@gideonpeprah]

Impressive 😅

[@jojohahn]

Behringer should use more transparent language around the 4 rear HP outputs. Drew says 8 XLR outs ‘as well as” 4 HP outputs and nowhere does anyone mention that it’s ‘either/or ‘on the outputs. Each HP out takes away two XLR outs. My Sweetwater rep had to ask multiple times in order to get a straight answer from a Behringer rep in regards to the HO outputs. And in less (again) I’m getting incorrect info from Behringer. They are hardwired to their respective XLR outputs - meaning, if you have need for any more than 4 IEMs or more than just a simple LR for your PA, you need to buy more IO. They handicapped their outputs. My Sweetwater rep was even beside themselves with why they would do that. Before hearing it from Behringer, he thought that surely it was separate.

[@jojohahn]

Don’t get me wrong though! So many great things that this brings to the table…this just seemed like a strange choice and then they don’t really spell out the limitation anywhere.

[@spargiulo1]

I want it!!!! There are no unit on the market…. 😓

[@Andidreas08]

POV: you are the first one under the video😂🎉

[@moletsanekhoali8013]

ULTRANRET STILL AVAILABLE

[@timothystubs4629]

4AU high. Don't you mean 4RU high? I believe it's Rack Unit not A? Unit.

[@georgeogrady449]

Put Moter on it

[@KarlGeorges]

Curb your enthusiasm, available only in several months .... at least two.

[@Benoitg-uo9nq]

NOT AVAILABLE FOR MONTHS !

[@miketaylor6053]

......cuz it just came out, bro.

[@davebrownentertainment7191]

No way to customize a simple gain knob that I can find. I run karaoke 5 nights a week, and every singer sings different, and I use 5 microphones, so I'm constantly adjusting gains (so each singer hits the compressors appropriately). Getting to the gain setting for each channel takes several steps, and is a pain in my butt. Blah. With Mixing Station the gain is right there (I made a custom layer), or I can tap GAIN on the right column and set gain easily for all of my channels.

[@CellarClan]

Zu wenig Outputs ….

[@BojanBojovic]

The interface is bad, very unintuitive.

[@rondetten9252]

Without word clock in or out it might as well be a Radioshack tape deck. Definitely not professional gear!

[@agork]

Maybe you can buy it as add on

[@sebastiencaapi1960]

Come on ! A radioshack tape deck ? 😂 I don’t know how you use your mixer, but on the wing you can set if you want to use the internal clock, or get it via the AES; same thing for any devices connected to, an amplifier, a stage box, a soundgrid network, you have to set it up correctly. Anyway, on midas PRO series, you have the word clock in and out, but not at the same price point obviously 😊 You get what you pay for, and with this wing series, how can you complain ?

[@artjomjagudin3284]

Hi! Thanks for the review! The description says: 2 Ethernet ports with built-in switch for networked remote control and optional AoIP via Waves SoundGrid and Dante. Do I have to pay extra to use this feature or is it all included in the basic set of Wing rack? 🥹

[@sebastiencaapi1960]

All you will have to pay for is the internal module, the built in switch for AOIP and ethernet control is ready to do the job on ALL wing platforms, no need to pay for a feature upgrade if it’s what you where wondering

[@artjomjagudin3284]

@@sebastiencaapi1960 mediadl.musictribe.com/media/PLM/data/docs/0606-ADN/FACE-PRIN-PH1_QSG_BE_0606-ADN_AoIP-WSG_A4_WW_2024-05-17_Rev.0.pdf

[@sound4uaudiovideorecording927]

Plus pay for the module to be installed.

[@Th3bigg3stglitch3r]

Can I use the wing rack as my stage box for my Midas m32r?

[@sound4uaudiovideorecording927]

Why not? Send the inputs to AES50 out so your m32 can get them.