The Setup

The Setup; Taking a milling project that is three times the size of the K&T machines table and setting it up to perform the task needed. Before we actually get the part lifted we demo the shop gantry and how it moves around in the shop.
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[@bradapprentice1397]

Like watching you work Keith. You and the K&T are one!!! H’mm, a small fortune in inserts on that shell mill. Looks like it had at least eight slots, at 20 to 30 a piece, plus 50% more for wear and tare… that’s about “30 x 12 = 360 dollars” for inserts alone, not counting the years of experience that guaranties a job “Done Right” and done “Right Away”. You are worth every penny!!! Brad

[@jacquespoirier9071]

Your gantry is priceless !!!!! I believe that the most interesting part of this work is to see how you make a consistent joint between the first half of the milled bevel and the second half because you have to unclamp, move ,and reclamp that is the most delicate part of this work !!! Truly interesting video

[@Patriot1776]

Absolutely friggin' incredible!! This was INSPIRING to watch! Using the gantry crane to keep the load from overloading the ways was ingenious! *takes a salute*

[@RobertLiesenfeld]

Thoroughly impressed with the excellent use you make of your small space. Inspiration for my own workshop. Keep up the great work, I love seeing how you solve problems that look impossible at first glance.

[@KHarp1984]

Kieth good sir, what you do is becoming a lost art. I commend your talent, and I have sincere hopes that the youth of today can learn from your example. I sincerely appreciate the time you take to make these videos, and wish your business a most prosperous future.

[@gerilarryogle970]

Thanks, Keith. As a rank beginner, I really appreciate the walk through your set up process and studying the problem, what tolerance is required and then explaining what you are going to do to reach the desired machining solution. Thank you again for sharing with all of us. Larry

[@robgerrits4097]

Sometimes a Setup can take much longer then the machining procedure. But looking at the way Keith built up his idears, with the gantry, sliding alongside the mill while taking the cut, inspires me. Rowing with the oars that you have is a saying here in Holland. Keith makes the most out of his possibilities and it is always nice to watch. Getter done!

[@pkinpa6778]

I think this is one of the BEST videos you have posted.. I love watching how a machinist of your caliber goes about setting jobs up and the thought process involved..There is a lot to be learned. Thank You

[@bcbloc02]

Nice setup. I really liked the KF table extensions! Setups and work like this is a prime reason I am building the bridge crane to run the length of my shop and it will be able to service any of my machines.

[@billlee5307]

Great video! Set-up...set-up, one of the essential parts of machine work! Always had a hard time convincing students to take the time to dry run as much as they could. I once had to do some work on a big steel plate with a Bridgeport and with no crane used a shop cart and jack to support the hanging weight. Thanks!

[@michaeldurling793]

Keith, you have become somewhat of an addiction. I am a non machinist and have found a respect an admiration for what you guy's do. A buddy that I play music with is a machinist by day and I never had a clue until I found your videos. I have been watching and have subscribed to many of the channels in the community, YOU GUY'S ROCK!

[@larrysperling8801]

nice to see you back in the shop. your problem solving techniques are a real education and inspiration .

[@radicaicares]

There's just something about the sound that the chain makes going through the hoist that is so satisfying. Keep up the great work Keith.

[@randallparker8477]

Great setup shows knowledge, creativity, experience and a passion for getting it done. Looking forward to more of this project. Thanks for sharing.

[@clawtlr]

I keep play-dough around the shop for making dams. Cheap and easy to find. I've also used it when machining hollow parts like pistons. Pack it in the hollow helps dampen any ringing. That is a really nice rudder Keith!

[@timtrott4145]

Excellent video, very informative. I love your work and the way you approach it. A creative setup is the proof of the pudding. Thanks for Your efforts.

[@garyc5483]

Excellent setup Keith. That is going to be a nice job when done. Thanks for sharing and the length of video is fine for me. regards from the UK

[@richardgreeniing1132]

Hi Keith,Richard from the UK loving your appreciation of Mr Crispin !!Rich

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

Wonderful work Keith .. You know how to set up and hold work , that is impossible to others standards ! Thumbs up for sure ..

[@BleuJurassic]

another great video I love the way you talk though the set up and any changes you make thank you for the video

[@Godshole]

7:38 Because you have shared so much I not only have a concept of metalurgy in relation to the pipe machining characteristics but I can picture in my mind the processes to turn, bore and weld the 'hinges' on the A frame gantry. Consider me spoiled.

[@Godshole]

+Godshole 38:28 Golden brown, texture like sun. Lays me down, with my mind she runs... :)

[@johnpilagonia5238]

I always learn something watching your videos, thanks. When I mill something flat with flood coolant I use rope caulk that I get from the auto parts store to make a leak proof dam. You can make it any shape you need. Works great and its reusable. Just a thought

[@chucksimeonides906]

Love to see you work. You make it look so easy. Thanks

[@wheelitzr2]

I've been waiting very patiently for another machining vid! you made my day Senior Fenner! Thank you.

[@binks166]

Hi Keith, great job on being able to setup a large piece of work. Always like your videos and learn from them. Harvey

[@christhesnaildriver]

Great video Keith, and at some point we all get a bit tired of 'jerkin' it'....ahem.. On a more sensible note, I'm all for these longer videos that I can just leave playing and relax while watching and learning. I have many other subscriptions to watch when I just have five minutes for a quickie ;-)

[@yosmith1]

+Keith Fenner Great demonstration on setup and the logic involved. It really helps when all of you guys explain the thought process when doing setup. I always learn a lot from these. Thanks!

[@keldsor]

Hi Keith ! Oh, what a nice video - very instructive and I learned a lot about how wild you can set things up - very, very nice ! Too I got an idea on how tight spaces you have in your shop - just like mine - I have to remember where to suck in the stomach to get through. And your demo of your gantry started a little spark in my mind on how to re-do my little crane - an I-beam with a pivot/sliding point in the center of the shop IN THE CEILING and an A-shaped roller part on the other end of the I-beam - oh, what a project - but I think I have to re-think all what's hanging down from the ceiling - there has to be room for the I-beam to get around !!! Nice to have you back with a real machinist project - thx !

[@dejanira2]

I am amazed at the creativity shown in the setups, this setup,the setup on the motorcycle forks necessary to do the work. It reflects your skill and "getter done" attitude, and that is just another phrasing for maintaining a "positive mental attitude". ;} But what else would you expect from a Cape Cod resident! This from a fellow Mass. resident.

[@JKGarageBMW]

Keith this cut looks amazing - so clean. Great job!

[@63256325N]

Thanks for the video. Looking forward to the follow-up videos.

[@ricksaunders277]

Thanks for another awesome video. I was having withdrawals earlier this summer.

[@jerrycoleman2610]

Keith, A really awesome video I really enjoyed watching your video the content was great and understood, thanks for sharing your knowledge, skills, & video.!.!.!.

[@bendavtx]

Keith, great video I learned a lot. My milling capabilities are tiny compared to the K&T, but I had imagined making a larger bolt on table to increase my envelope for some special projects. This showed me a way to achieve it and that if I keep my expectations in check I should be ok. Another shining example of you "walking the talk" of "getter done!" I had to "shazam" that song in the end. Take the Lead, Kevin MacLeod.

[@tb14236]

As usual very impressed with your talent and git er done attitude!

[@logicalapprentice.4874]

Love them parallels. Nice not having to work from print. No trig to be done for perfect angles. That load leveling is awesome brother. You cant hate that at all brother

[@dondotson4604]

Keith, I like leaning new ways to setup and chuck difficult jobs. Another great video lessen friend. thanks.

[@shortribslongbow5312]

Awesome work Keith glad your back. There is always a way to get er done. LoL

[@rat4spd]

You are a master craftsman Sir.

[@geneelliott3230]

Cool set up and a thumbs up on getting 'er done!

[@FixxxerKH202]

Nice work. It's funny that you make that quote at the end. I am a tooling inspector for a large company and see tons of these shell mills and fancy insert mills and you should hear what the "Applications Engineers" suggest you run that cutter at. It's insane what they try to put over on the pencil pushers to convince them these new inserts will save all this time, but they end up going on the floor and blowing the inserts out in a 45 minute cut that used to take just a little longer with an RNC that costs 15% of what the inserts and can be reground 12 times, never mind the couple thousand dollar price on the cutter body which is junk most the time when the insert lets go.

[@billdlv]

Nice job Keith those table extension bars are really slick.

[@RPMechanics]

Excellent idea. I can use this to expand the capacity of my small machine. Thanks.

[@joetiller1031]

Great job as always your a frame hoist is great when I worked at the plant we had 3 jib cranes mounted to huge h beams osha came in said they have to go company bought some a frame hoist's yours is far superior to the store bought.

[@MWL4466]

Real nice job as always Keith. I've had to do out-rigging like this on jobs at work…the only problem being the welder-fitters come and steal my bars for jobs they are on and they bend them and bang them up ! Now I hide them or lock them away. Cheeky buggers !! Stainless can be a real pain too, as you well know. Go slow and keep it cool just like you demonstrated is the key. Keep the great videos coming & Merry Christmas to you and your family. Mike…Hamilton, Ontario.

[@jtjjbannie]

You are a good teacher Keith.

[@jmh8743]

when I heard the clunk-chitty-chitty-chitty- clunk, I said whoops a broken insert BUT on my mill and not the solid K&T. thank you. +1

[@bulletproofpepper2]

tough job, making look easy. great work thanks for sharing.

[@Jazz-km8dd]

LOL i am with you on the mathmeticians there Kieth... if you were looking for knife edge yes perfect angle would be a given but for the smooth rounded edge for this application the eyeball is just as good... great video.

[@ChrisB257]

Heck of a challenge Keith - impressive... huge job needing much patience.

[@TyphoonVstrom]

Keith, run a strip of masking tape along the angle between key stock and work piece, will hold the coolant back and peel off easily when done.

[@JesusvonNazaret]

Great work, thanks for explaining all your steps in the process, I learn a lot from watching your videos

[@johnbazaar8440]

Pretty cool, Keith Thanks, John

[@crypto400]

I watch you, Kevin Macloud, nice touch Keaith, great video.

[@KeithFenner]

+crypto400 Yeah I had that tune stored for about two years without using it, thought it was time. thanks for the comment! ;{)------

[@pierresgarage2687]

Hi Keith, not doing as many bigger sized parts as you do, but as we say among machinists: If we can set it up and hold it we can machine it... ;) Came out great so far, I also love eyeballing too...

[@rtz549]

Really good production. Enjoyed it a lot. Might get some "DAP Liquid Cement Crack Filler" or some QUIKRETE to fill those spots on the floor.

[@TyphoonVstrom]

+rtz549 Epoxy is good for that sort of thing, binds all the loose bits together, self levels and is tough.

[@PeterWMeek]

LocLine makes a sort of "comb" jet, with a row of holes. That (or even a couple of them) with a bit of air pressure, might work to push chips and coolant over the edge of the rudder, and keep the chips away from the cutter and the coolant from running over the face of the rudder. Too late for this job, but it might have some use in the future, or be of use to somebody else. Nice hack for lifting the overhang to balance the force on the ways.

[@tcngrr41]

Roll of modeling clay or plumber's putty as a dam for the coolant? Have used it for drilling glass and stone to hold water around the bit. Seems like it might work for what you had to do with the rudder providing it doesn't contaminate the coolant in a negative way.

[@vine0607]

Have you ever considered putting a scale on your hoist hook to use a reference for how much pressure your lifting with? With you moving the table up and down, I picture a dial scale that you can glance at and see that your holding the part at the same tension throughout the travel and not have to go back and check the table for binding. As always, really enjoy your videos! -Cheers!

[@mertsilliker1682]

my education continues, thanks keith

[@andypughtube]

Have you considered counterboring the T-slot holes in the extensions, and making a set of socket head screws just the right length to engage the T-nuts? Then you would have a flat work surface on top of the extensions.

[@davestrong6472]

nice job, sure wish I had a KT.

[@HolzMichel]

Hey Keith, as always it's a pleasure to be able to watch over your shoulder. what has me scratching me bald melon: the way i understood this cut to end up was over the entire length of the face? but since it didn't, i was wondering how you would have to set up for a cut that requires moving the part down the long axis of the table to pick up the second stage of the cut? i've had to do that sort of cut before and have problems with getting the overlap of the first part of the cut to match the second. any ideas on how to avoid that nasty looking overstep? the last one i did like that, the cut was only one or two thousands of a mm off but it was still quite visible and of course anything you can see you can feel in steel. cheers mike

[@KeithFenner]

+HolzMichel I didn't follow though with a part 2 on the move and continue with cut, but do have photos and post on my Facebook of it. I lifted and set rudder in new spot worked it down close and then just before last cut use depth mic to determine the needed depth to match blend. had good results on 3 out of the 4 and 1 had a little feel to it, but will still blend with disc sander. ;{)------

[@jamesspires8096]

I figured that would chatter like a SOB with the size of the rudder not being clamped all the way around!

[@frednewman2162]

Keith, was wondering how you deal with loosing video time on customer parts! your filming, setting up and moving cameras, and stopping to explain how/why things are done, would require a greater amount of time into a project then you just doing the project as a normal machinist! Do you build these extra costs into you job pricing, or do you just eat these costs? Really glad that your life is back to point where you can start doing videos again! Great explanations and a great video!

[@KeithFenner]

+Fred Newman Every once in awhile I get asked the same question, Its been 480 rounding number collection of videos now and the follow along with the customers project, has developed into minimum amount of time added to the actual work, I have remotes for the cameras and I am getting better with the talk as I go and not having to re take video footage. The real long time taker is editing, after hours, anyhow the real answer to the question, is that I will eat the time strayed from project, or caused to create video coverage. Sometimes I have given discounted invoices for worthwhile video projects, but never when it is an expected part of taking on a project. ;{)-------

[@aserta]

+Keith Fenner Needless to say, you're an amazing person, and thank you very much for the effort put in making these videos. There's so much to learn.

[@bknesheim]

Criss-cross to stop it from sliding was a nice litlle trick. :-)

[@robertkutz]

keith thanks for the cool video. bob

[@mattwilkins1597]

You know so well how to get by with what you have. The one thing that I am wondering is how did you set it up when you moved it? Did you put stops or the edge?

[@kenparsons8637]

nice finish

[@marksman_1]

Epoxy resin will sort out those holes in your floor. Flows like honey sets like concrete a little on there expensive side though.

[@jerrylong381]

This is no squat to pee chunk of stainless. lmao Thanks Keith

[@TheRealFOSFOR]

Lovin it.

[@German_MDS]

Hi Keith, is that K&T a 3ch? Nice job, and glad to know you are "getting it done" back again. Thanks!

[@Patriot1776]

Nope. 2HL, look closely when the right-hand side, opposite the spindle RPM and direction handles, is in the shots of his vids and you see where "2HL Universal" is cast into it.

[@InverJaze]

One of the times you wish you had a bigger machine.

[@barryantrim6508]

Keith what do you use as a coolant? do you have any problems with rust from it?

[@jtjjbannie]

I like the mechanical hoist because you can feel the weight, but when it comes to heavy things, use an electric.....

[@WAVETUBE84]

You can do a lot of calculations and invest in a lot of measurement tooling, or you can wing it. As with a ring and pinion, with some trial and error and grease paint, you can get the gear mesh "right on". It's all about the gear mesh. No million dollar tooling (jigs, mandrels, etc.) or class in trigonometry necessary! Gota wonder what the Navy machinists did during WW2 when they were 6000 miles from the nearest ship yard.

[@bradapprentice1397]

+WAVETUBE84 Sump’em tells me, you were a machinist-mate in the blue water Navy! Maybe, its jist cus ya look a little salty. Brad

[@WAVETUBE84]

Brad Apprentice Sorry, nope. I was in the Army. But every navy bo'sun and ET I met cold pull some out of the back...

[@bradapprentice1397]

+WAVETUBE84 NEC or MOS… There are those in uniform that just did it, because they had too!

[@jacquespoirier9071]

+WAVETUBE84 to be a machinist is not only to know how to operate machine tools it is a minding as very often, you have to build a link between the machine tool and the part you have to machine from scratch... nothing exists or nothing else similar before had been done. If you push further, we assist to the developpement of specialized machine tools... to name a few, all the machinery involved in the production and the remanufacturing of engines

[@davidlbeatyify]

Keith what year is your Kearney and Tucker? It is great.

[@bradapprentice1397]

Hay Keith… Your gantry operator kinda looks like you. He’s pretty good! Do ya pay him above scale? Ya should; he’s a keeper. ☺ Brad

[@douglasthompson2740]

Wouldn't a contoured surface be more hydrodynamic than a knife edge? Sort of like the difference between the shape of a bulbous bow and a sharp prow? Also when the prop spits a piece of drift back at the rudder a sharp knife edge would be less strong than a convex rounding I would think. I have seen a couple of rudders in my time but never a leading knife edge most especially in bigger rigs so I am somewhat surprised at this request. Nice set up though. Doug

[@duracellgee]

Was it a problem that you machined off a fair chunk of the gusset on the leading edge of the rudder and did the customer request this mod after you went to great pains to reinforce the edge of the blade?

[@KeithFenner]

+duracellgee The customer had it built by someone else and asked me to do the mods. All the dress trim will be fared into the shape or bend to suit. ;{)------

[@thaiexodus2916]

8:00 Grease. Sometimes referred to as long fiber grease.

[@doktorjonsson3860]

The correct angle is 7.13° so it's close enough :)

[@KeithFenner]

+Doktor Jönsson I was wondering who would be the fist to put the math to it and test my eyes! Thanks, I love it! ;{)------

[@zumbazumba1]

+Keith Fenner Is that a part of ships steering mechanism called rudder??

[@pseudorandomly]

+Keith Fenner arctan(.25 / 2) = 7.13 degrees, as stated. To leave a 1/16 leading edge, as you pointed out later in the video, the angle would be 6-1/4 degrees.

[@Opinionator52]

Great video Keith! Nice setup,,, that finish turned out good! Best wishes... O,,,

[@tedsykora1858]

so now we know how you have been lifting these things around. have to say my shop floor is in better shape than yours and yet the quality of the product including the video is super . thanks for the view from back a little so as to see "the setup"

[@crazymanmichael8386]

i would have liked it longer or a part 2 to show doing the curved aft portion of the rudder.

[@WAVETUBE84]

Gantry Dancing!

[@bradapprentice1397]

+WAVETUBE84 Good one! A veritable choreography of steel, iron and the steady hand of a master machinist/gantry operator! Ain’t it great!! Brad

[@baccus61]

I would have cut those ends off with a friction cutter then machined the edge. Much quicker with those 1mm thick cutting discs.

[@dpeagles]

I should have been a machinist.

[@jtjjbannie]

+dpeagles There is always time...

[@robertostman2075]

+dpeagles hum it seems as one would need some serious memory strength to be able to know how to work with all the tools

[@karengaucher135]

Tubulcane

[@madisonelectronic]

Don't you miss the crapload of snow like last year?

[@bradley3549]

I'm noticing a trend in the KZbin machining community. The videos seem to be getting longer and longer - but not necessarily for the better. I just don't have time to watch an hour long video from each of them once a week. Keith, your video quality and sound quality have really improved over the years - but could you consider leaving a little more on the cutting room floor? This video is a great example of a really interesting topic and seeing how you achieved it was very interesting and educational - but there was a lot of dead-time that doesn't add a lot of value.

[@jcims]

+Bradley Weingartner What parts would you cut out? Keith is commenting through nearly the entire video, and even the parts towards the end where the mill is running, he's telling you that the sounds of the equipment are meaningful. There are 65,000 people subscribe to this channel, are you sure that the parts you don't find valuable aren't valuable to any of them? Just get friendly with that slider man.

[@bradley3549]

+jcims You know I've considered that maybe after years of watching Keith that maybe I just know the why and hows well enough that I'm just no longer interested in the minutia. But that said, if you watch this through (which I won't do twice :D) there is a lot of dead time or things Keith has covered over and over. For example, the first 10 min is just about entirely dedicated to moving his hoist and talking about its features which anybody who's followed Keith already knows all about.  I'm sure Keith is just trying to answer the questions before they are asked which I understand - but I ultimately believe that the Mr Pete method of simply saying "I have a great video all about this so I'm not going to talk about it again, go watch that if you are interested" is a real asset because it helps both the newcomer and the seasoned fan at the same time. In any case, it's just a suggestion and opinion and we all know how they stink :) I've gotten in the habit of watching the videos on 1.5x speed. The slider is great but if you don't know what's coming up you hate to miss the good stuff!

[@DSCKy]

+Bradley Weingartner You can fast forward though parts of the longer videos. When I first started, I watched all of it... now when I have seen a particular setup or cut before, I skip ahead to something I haven't seen before. But I think it is important that they don't leave anything out because it could be the first video someone watches and they need to see it all.

[@DSCKy]

+Bradley Weingartner Just skip those parts... you aren't being forced to watch them. :) I like when the slider show you pictures... which it doesn't always do.

[@bradley3549]

+DSCKy How am I supposed to know what parts are the slow parts until they are over? I realize I am not forced to watch them, was just providing some constructive feedback for Keith. You're right, this could be the first video someone has watched. I'm not sure that's reason enough to cover every detail every time. Some things are worth repeating of course - but most of the time you have to know your audience and give them some benefit that they are knowledgeable on the subject. And point them in the right direction when they aren't, like asking them to watch previous videos which cover specific subjects in greater depth. I think this is an example where Mr. Pete's years of experience as a teacher shines through. As a teacher you have only so much time to grab the attention of the audience, entertain them and hope they accidentally learn something along the way. That said I'm still impressed with everything Keith does and I do enjoy his videos. Certainly better than anything on TV.

[@jameshatfield7634]

Not a bad guess. 7deg. 7 min 30 sec.

[@normanfeinberg9968]

Your a tough act to follow,but I keep sticking my fat old head in the meat grinder.Combined with the other metal guys:Keith Rucker,Mr pete and many more,there's quit a bit of knowledge available to us in radio land.That guy in P.A. Dave Richards is bokoo cool too.Out here in the great Midwest,Many fine tool kits lay languishing in corners and basements.I buy em when I can,and marvel at what the old time guys collected and used.I leave them intact as a monument to their lives spent working when America was a great land filled with honest hard working people with real talent.Thank's again,Ill keep watching,till I croak

[@douro20]

I guess you don't have the room for a Maho tool-room mill...

[@SuperSwitched]

Not sure what is happening here Keith but the entire video is blurry good buddy :(

[@KeithFenner]

+Switcher I upload full 1080 HD, your setting may be off or you watched it early in the processing time frame. It looks good on all three of my PC's and my note 4. ;{)-------

[@pierresgarage2687]

+Switcher If you catch the video very early after it's being released, sometime KZbin doesn't have all the HiRes modes processed, if you watch it a little later you get all HiRes modes available... ;)

[@SuperSwitched]

+Keith Fenner KZbin has been doing some funny shit as of late. I cannot adjust teh setting off of 144 on my main frame, but I was able to get the full 1080 on my laptop.??? I uploaded a video this morning and sure enough it defaulted to 144 on both PCs. I was able to change the settings. Not sure what is up with that. Sorry my friend, I just thought I'd let you know, as your vids are/were always very clear.

[@SuperSwitched]

Thanks guys :)

[@rickbrandt9559]

When one can create a set up for job at hand with machine available="Machinist" the rest are just parts loaders.

[@stepcorngrumbleteats7683]

36" then 24" and...what are we talking about again ?

[@Викторкурлов-ш3м]

что он гонит ,это его работа ,еслиб я показывал свою работу, то никакого бы ролика не хватило

[@crispicrit]

man sorry cant watch this way out of focus at 144p cant see anything clearly

[@TonyFleetwood]

+M Criddle that sounds like your end, im watching it in HD...

[@KeithFenner]

+M Criddle All my videos are 1080 HD ;{)------

[@pierresgarage2687]

+M Criddle If you catch the video very early after it's being released, sometime KZbin doesn't have all the HiRes modes processed, if you watch it a little later you get all HiRes modes available... ;)

[@bradley3549]

+M Criddle Need to give it time. KZbin sometimes publishes a low-quality video while the HD version is being processed. Looks good now.

[@terry4144]

you shouldn't work in a machine shop with a beard like that its like having a tie hanging around your neck very dangerous!!