How Broke Is Too Broke? Part 2

[@marcellemay7721]

I've been watching you work for well over a decade, since at least 2012, probably before that. You always keep it simple, and no nonsense. Your approach to machining and repairing things is always appreciated over here. Compared to other machining channels that seem to convolute and complicate things, you just always get it done in the simplest and most effective way... That's the #1 indicator of an intelligent experienced craftsman. Your not just a a machinist, welder, and mechanic, you're the fixit guy. I mean that in the highest way possible. I really miss seeing you more on youtube. I know you've had your differences with youtube, as have most other creators that I follow on here, but I just can't seem to get comfortable enough on those other video platforms to stick around there. Hoping to see you more over here.

[@AWDJRforYouTube]

WTF {Why The Fugosi} don't they make those taps in two tap set not one long " Easy Break" lol!. You got it done Keith you are the MAN!

[@robmacl7]

Yeah, I think the problem is that the stick out is so long so a pretty small sideways force is enough to break it. Probably would help to use a tapping guide or something to make sure you bending to the side. But it's going to be tricky with how much force you need.

[@johnfry9010]

That is an ingenious mechanism and you did one hell of a job to re-create it ! New title for this video " How Broke Is TWO Broke " , LOL .

[@shootgp]

Through the magic of video editing, you appear to have handled that second tap breaking quite well.... 😅

[@davyhenderson]

i have been watching Keith for a long time and did you see that little smile right before he said "there we go there's tap 2"..... that was the anger released. 😛

[@argee55]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@Tinker001]

Pretty sure I faintly heard a single four letter word from here back while he was filming this...

[@markfoster6110]

Oh bother the new tap just fell apart iny hand !!!!!

[@dphillips705]

​@@Tinker001you mean s_ _ t or f_ _k lol

[@g00167015]

The irony that if this project was on Instagram, I'd have to go "tap-tap" on the screen to register a like 😂😂😂😂👍

[@russelldilworth1784]

I nearly Pished the bed here when he said... ""Im just breaking it free'' ,,,then the loud snap. I thought w.t.f..lol nasty

[@passenger6735]

My heart sank when the second tap broke. Great fix and a nicely finished part in the end.

[@markstone6368]

Isn't i amazing the things we put up with until we finally get around to fixing them. Then we wonder why we didn't do it sooner. Keep up the good work Keith. Always look forward to your videos. MJ

[@michaelrandle4128]

Love the new intro Keith, what a voice, them old hands have a lot of miles on em, look after them, regards from across the pond.

[@TheTacktishion]

Nice Job...! Thanks for bringing us along... Sorry about the 2 broken taps... $hit Happens!!!

[@ssboot5663]

Good to see you got your NUT fixed and your vise working again! Nice saw! It's unfortunate to see the two expensive taps break though. But you know the drill!! "GET ER DONE!

[@rldoyle5705]

We need to make taps great again. Thanks for the vid

[@Saltshaker2016]

38:30 Nice grouping on that wall chart Mr. Fenner.

[@markfoggy9933]

Snappy delivery always gets the attention, but that's a really joyful Get Her Done. Nicely.

[@darinspicer2753]

I was laughing at how gun shy you were on tapping that smaller hole. 😂

[@allanhudson2871]

Back to how you were told in school. Two turns, back off and brake the chips, lubricants etc. initially I was thinking ‘why doesn’t he just power tap it on the lathe’. My bad.

[@ducewags]

@@allanhudson2871 Wrong brake.

[@claudemorehead4529]

I got to work the next day and took the nut back off. It was missing the spring and button. Fabed up a new one. If I didn't see yours I don't think I'd figured it out. Thanks Keith.

[@keldsor]

Hi Keith ! Nice to have you back ... and working - love it ! I just finished MY "quick release nut" and for my plonger I just used a neodynium magnet - it workes nicely ! It's different from yours in two points: 1) Mine is in my wooden workbench 2) Then I can have the jaw attached to the lead screw and the release mechanism placed in a completely closed 'box' under the bench ... and wooden chips don't stick to magnets ... at least here in Denmark, they don't 🙂 A really nice fix you made there, I think ! Best from Keld in Denmark

[@davidmasters9793]

I just last week made a new lead screw and nut ,went on Amazon, bought the least expensive Acme tap, and die for my application. Power taped the nut in steel in the lathe. Dam, glad I bought cheap crap I'd cry losing that much money.

[@foxholewilly]

Sharpum! You should market that name.

[@ypaulbrown]

great tip on shooting compressed air into hole for a stuck tap in cast iron....

[@rickyretic]

Absolutely love your mug Keith. No ifs or ands about it, he MUST get back into office. ❤ Love your videos, I've been watching since the beginning. Ironically, we live with in 40 minutes or so from each other. It takes me approx. 20-25 minutes to reach the Cape Cod Canal.

[@herbbenson6884]

Very enjoyable videos once I recovered from the mental trauma of witnessing the breakage of two expensive taps!(Shudders). Very good job Mr Fenner!

[@bombardier3qtrlbpsi]

Nice job as always 👍 That coffee mug. Is that a paid advertisement 😂😂

[@wansolve289]

In looking at the design of that half-nut I think back to who the original designer was that not only came up with the idea, but how he crafted the specs for the foundry to pour the mold for it! Pretty awesome engineering AND innovative skills.

[@phillipjones3342]

That is one of the toughest eccentric nuts I have ever seen. Well done sir you did it with ease with the eyecrometers

[@allanhudson2871]

Keep this video in mind when your employees break stuff. Happens to the best of us including Kieth. Seems like design wise it’s a very complicated part to achieve the quick release? Great post thanks Kieth I’d be crying over $400 in taps.

[@artt3165]

I'm going to have the gremlins in the fracture repair department check the code date on the tool glue......lol Some days you wonder why you even get out of bed. Once had my boss sign off on a racing engine. During vehicle testing the turbo exploded. Several thousand dollars and two days later we were back on the test track. I was suspicious of over speeding the turbo so I had my boss "bless" the setup. "Yeah..... it'll work there's always more strength than the specs say" ....... until there isn't. But, that's sometimes how we learn. Some days all you can do is laugh and make the best of it.

[@stuartlockwood9645]

Hi Keith ☺ that expensive tap turned into a two bit tap real quick, and then they worked just fine, lol. This is a great video ,thanks for taking us along. And I hope the wrists mend ok, stay safe, best wishe's to you and Lisa, Stuart UK.

[@KeithFenner]

Thanks 👍

[@sabertoothfabrication1170]

Great save with the 2 half taps!! would you ever consider making something like this from a material like delrin? of course it would be a consumable product. But then you could probably make 3 in the time it would take you to make one from cast iron, and the odds of breaking a tap would be almost zero. The thought of tapping an acme thread that size with a hand tap gives me goosebumps. Great video, thoroughly enjoyed!!

[@user-wy9fp9nr7q]

It was good to hear the old clausing lathe around again.

[@normsweet1710]

About the time you said “snap” I chuckled cause my Dad was always on me to “don’t forget the tap oil “

[@outsidescrewball]

Hero snap and a hero fix…😂enjoyed the build/repair

[@ypaulbrown]

Did you mention the Brand Acme tap, I bet it was one of those Heart Brand taps... 2 Broken Hearts on your channel.....

[@ypaulbrown]

I see a new business trend Keith.....Fenner's Tap Brokerage.....Specializing in Acme Left Hand Taps

[@bcbloc02]

Should have played taps for the taps. LOL wish I had money for every tap that gave up before I thought it should.

[@jamesdrake2378]

I watch your stuff and a few other guys. When I see you "getter done" I can't help but think that Abom would have drug this out into at least 5 parts. Thanks for the vids.

[@mudnducs]

Got to hand it to you Keith....when that tap broke a second time Id have gone crazy!!!🤣 Thanks for the time and lessons in patience and technique!

[@tced2858]

Great save on the tap...those square thread taps always look very breakable to me...

[@grntitan1]

Nice repair. Probably better than new.

[@Cookerab]

The joy when it was fixed is palpable. Well done Keith. It feels good when shit that was broke works again. :)

[@JohnBare747]

Nothing like an almost $1,000 shop made free part. That will test your sense of humor.

[@DomManInT1]

I never cared for the "two stage" taps. But, I also have never broken one. A real understanding of threads and thread tolerances and pitch engagements can really help avoiding tap breakage. Most drill tap charts and calculations allow for 70-75% thread engagement. In many case, you can easily get away with as low as 55% thread and still be a serviceable part. I am curious why you did not single point thread this part. Chances and cost of tap breakage would have been zero. Maybe you did not have a threading bar long enough to reach full depth?

[@KeithFenner]

That was an option

[@highpwr]

Keith, are you absolutely certain the tap you got from McMaster was made in the USA? McMaster has been sending me more and more Chinesium items over the last several years. Case in point... I ordered a LFA (Made in France) straight shank drill chuck arbor from McMaster that cost roughly $18. In came in a plastic sleeve labeled with the proper LFA Part number. But the arbor itself had no markings on it and the shank looked like it had been "scoured" on. Sure enough, after a look under a microscope I could see the remains of a SHARS logo and SHARS part number that sells for $4 all day long from SHARS. (Chinesium) I told a friend of mine about it (who lives 4 states away) and he tried ordering the same LFA arbor I did. Lo and behold he received an identical SHARS arbor with the logo and part number scrubbed off as well, and also had the LFA part number on the box it came in. Our individual tools were shipped from different McMaster warehouses. Sad to say McMaster isn't what they used to be... 😪 (Edited to correct 'half-center' to drill chuck arbor.) Got it mixed up with a different time I ordered a Bison half-center from them and again received Chinesium.

[@anthonycash4609]

And the prices on there stuff has gone out the roof. The only way to break them is to stop buying from them and telling others how they are treating there customers.

[@ronaldbrown5745]

All our manufacturing went to China!

[@jrb_sland]

35:40 Well done, Keith! Question - how long will it take you to unlearn your "reach down & around" previous compensation technique? 41:30 Surgical procedures have come a long way. Seems so easy when the right tools exist. God bless modern medicine! But we should also be happy that our own bodies heal themselves without our conscious involvement [once we've sutured the incision, etc]. Great time to be alive!

[@deathk26]

I'd say it's kind of a poor design on the two stage tap. Should be two separate taps like what you ultimately wound up with.

[@phooesnax]

I was thinking of those torque limiting extensions for impact wrench. That is one Long A tap Glad it worked

[@richardfrisbie6069]

Great videos again. That was an expensive fix, but think of the time you'll save! ;-)

[@zedostenso3069]

I had the same experience with Jacob drill chuck cost around 175.00 the box had all the factory markings but on the chuck body made in China printed boldly on the chuck. Found the same part on EBAY for around 35.00 free shipping returned it to MC. The chuck samed to be a second the finish was poor quality or counterfeit which the CCP is noted for. The other thing I have noticed about them is the Made In China font is getting larger on the packaging.

[@19672701]

Well,I feel better about the 8mm tap I broke in some 3030 extrusion,I'm blaming the tap breaking on the metric system.5/16 tap wouldn't had broke.haha,great video, now to watch Hickok45 shoot some cool shizz.

[@jwaterous224]

Good to see your vise being satisfactory again! Thus completes the rebuild of your saw! Always get the best feeling when you're happy with the result. All in all I'd much rather be standing over completed work than the actual plan. 😁Today I tried the best planned fixes for our machine (at work) but the work around had to do; again! I too will be ecstaic when the fix is finaly in.

[@dphillips705]

Nothing you can do but laugh really lol

[@bchant19]

Keith things may not be a total write off with that broken tap. Where I work we have a few of them achme taps and my boss likes to cut them in half and keep the square cutting portion with the drive for chasing threads. We do all stainless steel parts 316l and 308l mainly and the starter portion gets dull very easily but we often get parts bought in from cnc machined that just need to be chased out or things get chased out after welding to ensure the bolts go in easy on assembly. Well the stub end comes in real handy for all those kinds of applications. I know it was kind of a spiral fracture but you may be able to salvage part of it.

[@ls2005019227]

Way to "Get 'er done"!! You're a master Keith. Thanks for another fantastic series-

[@edsmachine93]

Nice job. Well done. Thanks for sharing.

[@ypaulbrown]

Happy Sunday Keith......so sad to see your Acme had passed....... cheers my Friend, Paul in Orlando

[@ypaulbrown]

31:45 , faantastic chips while drilling, I used to make Rope Line Locks for theatrical rigging, using ductile iron castings, drilling using a camelback drill like yours, and would autofeed and get the same type chips.,, I am talking hundreds of 1/4" holes in hundreds of parts.... well, I got lateral epicondylitis from using the hand feed and switched to auto feed....... I was very happy after that.... the clown who had come back to work at the shop who had 20 years there before bitched because the drive made too much noise......FOG......... you can never please them with a better way..... I just let him know he could drill them if the noise bothered him.......

[@misfitsman805]

"I'm just breaking it free." *SNAP!* 🤦🏼 *Looking at broken tap* "Well sh*t!"

[@lrakschmidt2880]

Just single point it - you can make a cutter on most any d-bit grinder? I do think the nut should be out of brass? Ductile iron will wear the shaft.

[@jacquespoirier9071]

professionnal job as usual This is only possible if you have other machine tool to thke the job. For an amateur that have only one machine tool, this type of job is not as accessible as the machine tool should be disabled to have access to the component that need repair / rebuild. excellent video.

[@mobiousenigma]

hey fenner lol its been a while so i figured i would pester ya. i dont think i could justify the tap cost to the restoration/maintenance bill as it was operator error. either way its a bite to swallow but this way it add value to the saw lol. as always thanks for the vids

[@nickrandol9133]

Had both of my wrists done. CTRs, like you. And just know, that after you heal, you’ll be back to 100%.

[@highlandermachineworks5795]

Anyone else get a shock when that tap broke? Bad enough I had two near misses with deer last night. But now this! Im gonna need a drink.

[@martineastburn3679]

Keith - when working it around - why not have a rod through the hole to keep the axis on the hole. Not a critical cutting anyway. Mostly looks.

[@danceswithaardvarks3284]

Turned out great.

[@jryer1]

That was awesome Keith. Love old school machining!

[@stevenclaeys6252]

Awe Snap ! It happens, Nice to see someone who can make lite of the mishaps. Thank you for another great video. Stay safe out there. Cheers

[@scottjones7279]

Nice coffee cup you have there😊

[@KeithFenner]

Thank you 😊

[@donsipes]

Good episode. I had exactly the same problem with my bandsaw. Rather than replace the flippy floppy lock I machined a brass block with the acme thread in it and put it in the carrier. The down side is I now have to crank in both directions. My saw is a couple of sizes smaller than yours and I seldom cut material that utilizes the max capacity of the saw so that hasn't proven to be too much of a hindrance. Keep up the good work.

[@theundergroundesd]

I was getting worried. Good Job

[@railfan439]

How broke is too broke? Me, at the end of the month. 8^D Thanks for the video. Hope to see you at the Bar-Z. Jon

[@johnnyholland8765]

Glad you could salvage something from those taps. That is a lot of money. Be careful and don't injure that new surgery...

[@alferec01]

Hello Keith. Good video, thank by yor clear explanation about each steep. How is your hands now? ...... Really was a diificult situation with carple tunnel... hope better now. Have a good day..bye.

[@ypaulbrown]

Holy Smokes, when that 2nd broke, I got a terrible feeling in my gut.... so sorry Man.......well, on wit the show, and let me see what else you are up to today.....congratulations on getting the Carpel Tunnel dealt with, I had issues in the middle 90's from using a track ball on computer while doing art......even driving a car or sleeping was painful.....cheers..PB

[@markstangeland5739]

Your American engineering at its best Keith

[@HaxbyShed]

Keith this is so relevant to something I'm doing, and reassuring. Cheers Paul

[@johnmolnar2957]

I saw the first break coming , not the second. your title should be How Broke is Two Broke LOL. thanks fro sharing the video. nice work as always

[@keylock9064]

Keith I was Yelling at the computer screen to back that Tap out or you'll break it" Especially after grapping that Giant Crescent Wrench.

[@JohnBare747]

That was quite the Tap Dance... Oh, Well.

[@jimwinchester339]

Sometimes one comes damn close to getting it to getting it all done with your bare hands.

[@stevennederhiser7125]

Thinking that should have been single pointed!

[@KeithFenner]

That's an option

[@danmundhenke7998]

Sad to see all but 23.7% of those $500 threads being milled away...

[@oldtractors]

It made me cuss out loud when you broke that second tap.

[@HmsSulaco]

35:30 haha know that feeling Keith, wonderfull..

[@PhilG999]

I was watching the previous video and thinking "That tap is about to break!" And then it did! Would it have helped to back off a bit every half turn or so to release the chips, or maybe use some cutting oil anyway? But I'm only a Mechanical Engineer, maybe I overthink things? 🤔

[@CrimeVid]

You will notice that Keith did both in this video, and it did not work. I was surprised, to be fair. I have broken a few taps in my time, and knew when I was chancing it, but that tap seemed to go far too easy.

[@PhilG999]

@@CrimeVid I did after I finished watching this vid...

[@stephenpeterson7479]

Nice work Keith.

[@michaeldurling793]

Love it, fix what ya got with what ya got. That's how ya got er done.

[@chieft3357]

How Broke Is "TWO" Broke!! You always getter done. All the best to ya'.

[@Tinker001]

Now we see why replacement parts are so expensive... :P

[@richardgregory6653]

Ouch!! superhuman stiches!

[@ronk6117]

I enjoy watching you do your thing , also nice shot pattern on your target.

[@peterselby5694]

Keith Im surprised that you didnt smell a rat when the you changed from a small wrench to a much larger one, the alarm bells should have been ringing by then. Was this either a Monday morning or a Friday afternoon job by any chance? In my many decades as a machinist I have never used a acme tap always screw cut in the lathe partly because acme taps here in NZ are very expensive and not available off the shelf but by screw cutting you can guarantee the the thread will be straight and true especially say in a lathe cross slide nut, not so critical in your situation. The smallest internal thread lathe cut was a five eight 8 TPI . As can be imagined the tool bit and the boring bar are quite small. I like to grind the tool bit using a tool & cutter grinder to get the angles correct but also the clearance which is very important as if its not the tool bit will just rub and not cut. Just a few degrees makes all the difference. Tool bit made just a wee bit smaller than the standard width so a few thou can be removed by using the compound slide to get a good fit. I repaired a hori bandsaw just like yours that had a stripped vise jaw nut. The screw was of buttress form. The nut on the vise was a half nut that could be flipped up disengaging it from the screw for a quick set up but unfortunately due to the lack of maintenance over the years the relatively fine screw had got clogged with swarf and not allowing the cast iron nut to fully engage and it eventually worn away finally failing altogether. I machined the old nut off leaving enough material to cap screw another half nut in its place. The buttress half nut had to be machined in the lathe, no taps which was a pretty straight forward job. Always very satisfying fixing a broken machine. Folk who do not do this sort of work have no idea. Pete.

[@ypaulbrown]

24:39, looks like a Chuck Wagon from the TV show Rawhide !!!! Since you only needed Acme Threads on one half of the hole, you should have broken the taps length wise....instead of horizontal.... Just a thought .......looking great so far.....I like the faceted shape of the part.....gives it a Bauhaus Art sort of look...PB by the way, blame my chattiness on all the coffee I had this morning.....

[@frankerceg4349]

Thank you Keith!

[@repairitdontreplaceit]

those taps must be deffective keith

[@normsweet1710]

Looks well engineered to me. Stick a fork in it and call it done 😃😉

[@ianmoone2359]

Really enjoyed these two videos, totally worth watching. Fascinating how the mechanism works, never seen that before, but totally makes sense. You broke a tap or two but hey, it worked out in the end, so how you got there doesn’t matter, the fact you got there is all that counts. Subscribed. I like your can do attitude, even with dodgy wrists after carpel tunnel surgery. Looking forward to whatever comes next.

[@UKDrew]

Awesome as Always Really enjoyed this one thank you

[@dscott1524]

One wonders why the taps broke. Any thoughts? Are the taps dull or the cutting edges improperly ground? Taps should just do what they are designed to do. Those taps should not have broken. There is something wrong here. Defective from the factory? Cheers.

[@pyromedichd1]

Great job!

[@garymallard4699]

When that Second tap broke...i thought we were going to see you ride the Motorcycle away..and Never See You Again !!! 😂 🇨🇦🤓🤙 Damn..you took that like a Man.... or at least edited how you reacted ...🤔