KelTec CP33 vs PMR30

[@black328is]

I've got the CP33 and I'm pretty sure it's longer than 2.6 inches.

[@paullewis9490]

I've been looking at the PMR30 for some time as I like that it marries well with the CMR30, sharing magazines. As an older geezer the light weightedness is a big draw. The only hitch in my giddyup is that getting them would add another caliber to the ammo I would have to stock, but I like the added punch that the 22mag brings to the table. Now I can see where Kel-Tec is going with the CP33 and I think you are right, they're going to bring short carbine features to it. [sigh] I guess maybe daddy needs a PMR30 from Santa Claus this winter! (And a crate of 22WMR ammo!) Great review! Concise, to the point, covered all the points. Subscribed!

[@entropicgirl8648]

Paul Lewis The CP33 is a fine firearm if you want something super lightweight for plinking, throw a folding arm brace on it for better stability. Personally I own a PMR 30 and I absolutely love the thing mind you I bought the high-performance parts from M*CARBO do it’s hardly stock but it fires like It should’ve from day one however as you know the PMR 30 did have a bit of a checkered start but I can tell you this much even out of the box brand new one does quite well and if you do throw some high-performance parts at it you will have quite the pistol. Much like you I thought about getting the carving because if it’s light weight and incredible accuracy however I decided to go with an AR set up which of course will allow me to do all of the above 300 blackout 9 mm and even go with the 22WMR yes did you make it 22WMR A.R. 15 upper .

[@firstlastandonly888]

@@entropicgirl8648 I keep hearing concerns about the charging handle seeming like it could be damaged eventually. That is the one thing that has made me hesitant about buying this pistol. What do you think?

[@ethanarias2911]

​@@firstlastandonly888 I own one, the charging handle is sturdier than it looks, I think you would have to go out of your way to damage it.

[@williamlewis5688]

Just bought the CP33 and I luv it very accurate have around 500 rounds through it without any problems you just have to load the magazine just right for it to work but American speed loaders has a mag loader out for this pistol and it works great a must have

[@alanhelton]

It’s nice to see my small childhood home town now has a gun store! I mean there was Galyans and is Dicks, but sounds like we have a tried and true gun store! Music to my ears. As for the PMR 30, that is the very first model of firearm I purchased upon my return back from the Army and I have to say I rather enjoy that purchase. I wish I lived back in Indiana so I could come see your store maybe one day when I come back to the land of the Shamrocks!

[@pharrshot6668]

I never understood why some people don't dry-fire their guns because of the particular mechanism it uses/is to fire the gun...?? Now when you said "I'm not gonna' dry-fire this much because it's striker-fired", I got kinda' confused. It being a hammer or striker fired gun isn't what is to possibly mess up the gun when dry-firing, it's what caliber the gun is. The only caliber(s) of gun that is notorious for breaking when dry-firing is mainly .22LR, buuut I do believe it's probably also possible w/ .22Mag, .17HMR, .25ACP & other teeny-tiny cartridges like that, but it's mainly just .22LR. I know that for a fact because I've owned many striker-fired guns over the years & I've never had one's firing pin break from dry-firing & I dry-fire A TON, ALL THE TIME for practice. Same thing goes for hammer-fired guns too. But .22LR caliber guns on the other hand, regardless if it's striker or hammer fired, the firing pin will break on ya' after a while if you dry-fire too much but there's nothing wrong w/ dry-firing it probably no more than 5 times or so every so often. I ain't saying that you're like that @MarksmanTV, but there's MANY OUT THERE that are & don't know any better. Because if they think a striker fired gun will break but a hammer fired won't & they go to pick up a hammer fired .22LR, they gonna' be in for a world of hurt. Especially if like it's a scenario where a buddy(1) [who thinks that way] goes to hang out w/ another buddy(2) & buddy(1) messes w/ other buddies(2) .22LR hammer fired gun & dry-fires the Hell outta' it & then breaks the firing pin, if buddy(1) did that to me then he'd be leaving my place w/ a few broken things too. Buuuuut yeah, anyways, love the review & I think both of these handguns are phenomenal considering they both hold 30 rounds or more of .22LR & .22Mag & if it wasn't for this particular review/comparison video, I wouldn't know much about these 2 handguns.

[@PistNRods]

Pharr Shot the manual for the PMR30 tells you not to dry fire or slam the slide closed on an empty chamber regularly. Dunno about the CP33, but the PMR30 firing pins are notorious for breaking even under normal use.

[@2spooky4me96]

Pharr Shot has nothing to do with the caliber being tiny, this is not a problem with .25 acp because its center fire. The pin breaking on .22's and such is because being a rimfire the pin can strike the steel on the chamber (on empty chamber) where the cartridge rim should be. This can cause the pin to shatter or snap.

[@jwatson15]

CP33, PMR30 and CMR30 and even P17. All seem like good zombie guns.

[@LatestHour]

I've been looking for the right pistol to make a MP7 clone and the CP33 just might work. It has a rear charging handle and the ejection port is the correct spot. Getting the safety to work will be a challenge but everything else looks in its proper place.

[@quakejake13]

Have you seen the brace from Farrowtech? I bought one for my CP33 to make a "MP7-ish" gun and love it!

[@Dirkdiggl]

Yea I wish they made the same thing for the pmr 30

[@justinspiguzza5276]

@36 seconds.....CP33 is 2.6 inches in length?

[@brucebelvin2058]

Dang, that's small. I could deep carry that at a nudist convention.

[@Lokomart]

Good eye on the charging handle design. That definitely seems a little to flimsy.

[@firstlastandonly888]

@Joe Jonson What are the odds of the charging handle becoming damaged? I have heard this concern quite a bit. I have been close to buying this pistol but that is the one thing that makes me hesitate.

[@ShazMX6]

Have to agree with Joe, I've had mine since July last year, put about 500 to 700 rounds through it so far, never had any issues with the charging handle, the critiquing on it being flimsy is just petty nit picking, it's flimsy feeling because the frame for it is long, flat and thin, when disassembled you'd see why. Unless someone is utterly careless or inept in handling their CP33, or totally abusive, it's not an issue. Mine has a 3D printed charging handle ring on the back along with 3D printed AFG with hand stop, thumb rest and right side picatinny mount (search Etsy and you'll find accessories made/sold on there), Tandem Kross compensator, and custom grip texturing (yet to install), and a couple different red dots for it, at some point will be adding a farrowtech collapsible brace, and the keltec 17 round mag extension kits. All around fun gun to shoot, even up to 100 yards on steel plates.

[@UncleDanBand64]

I just got the CP33 so far I love it! I will be putting the Farrowtech pistol brace on it for sure👍🇺🇸

[@cooling5038]

Shootin' with Uncle Dan Just got my brace in!!!! You will love it man

[@UncleDanBand64]

@@cooling5038 Yes sir I have one too. It really makes into a nice shooter👍🇺🇸

[@cooling5038]

Shootin' with Uncle Dan Planning On taking it out this Saturday for the first time, has it giving you any issues

[@UncleDanBand64]

@@cooling5038 not a single problem. Over 1,500 rounds the gun runs good with or without the suppressor. Definitely my favorite 22👍🇺🇸

[@UncleDanBand64]

@@cooling5038 oh it was hard to put the first round into battery for the first 200 rounds but, that smooth right out.

[@pharrshot6668]

I'm confused.....?? In the beginning ya' said that the CP-33 is only "2.6 inches long" whereas ya' said the PMR-30 is "7.9 inches long".....?? If my brain serves me correctly, I believe ya' had meant to say that the CP-33 is "12.6 inches long" & that the PMR-30 is "7.9 inches long". I could be wrong but that's all I can think of w/ the "2.6 inches long" phrase/sentence ya' said & that the CP-33 is obviously longer than the PMR-30 in the pictures & videos on the interwebs.....?? 'Cuz I highly doubt the CP-33 is a "2.6 inch" gun. 😂😂 Besides that one lil' hick-up, great review/comparison my mans. This is really the only good comparison video against these 2 handguns that there is, so thanks for that because now it'll be easier for me to make my next Kel-Tec purchase. Besides, I actually do like a majoriry of Kel-Tec's firearms, besides their normal tiny pistols like in .380 & I believe they had pistols made in .32ACP & other cartridges like .22LR, 9mm, tec., etc. such as the PF-11. Either way, Kel-Tec FTW!!!!!!!

[@alcopower5710]

Pharr Shot .......yeah I caught that too. Lol

[@whiskeycigar1963]

I have both of them, love them

[@nopro5433]

cafe & Guns Same Kydex style holster work for both?

[@whiskeycigar1963]

@@nopro5433 thanks

[@cjlst8]

If you had to pick one which one would it be?

[@richwhippersnapper]

I have both. No buyer's regret

[@chinabluewho]

Was interested in the cp33 until I saw that charger and the opening for extracting rounds, first thing you do with .22 LR is to check to see how easy it will be to extract/unjam

[@bigbossoooo]

I would prefer 30 rounds of .22 magnum over .22 long anyday. I laughed with the spongebob comment lol

[@katrinaanon1038]

The problem that getting .22 mag has been difficult over the past 2 years and in the last 6 months darn near impossible. But you are correct about a .22 mag being more desirable.

[@nifepartie]

The CP33 reminds me of the Russian Commanders handgun from Rambo III. I always thought that gun was neat.

[@jwatson15]

Both would be good zombie guns but id side with the pmr since it pairs better with the cmr.

[@whiskeycigar1963]

I hope they make CP33 in 22mag Or 5.7

[@cplinstructor]

This. Do that and this would be an AWESOME PDW. In .22lr it’s just a toy.

[@justinloughner9777]

@@cplinstructor keltec heard the call and answered with the p50 lol

[@pcmountaindog]

What is the point in comparison of a .22LR V a .22WMR. The long thin MAG round is difficult to chamber. My PMR-30 gave me all kinds of trouble to get that round to work. I had to replace parts on my pmr30 to get it working properly. It now works find but it should have been delivered in working order. I should not have had to make modifications to prevent the many failure to feed problems. Today I would look at S&W or Walther if I wanted a .22 mag handgun. I 'm sure the .22LR CP33 will work fine.

[@TheBiggestIron]

Sbr or brace it Tactical squirrel gun

[@xx_epicgaymer69_xx41]

i mean, 22 mag has some energy. use it like a poor mans mp7

[@CHEECHMUN]

30 all the way

[@madedigital]

PMR30 DUAL 60 ROUNDS

[@stevekatz4372]

I have Both and I Have had No Issues at all except on the CP33, I have a sometime Failure to Load that first round from the mag but Just a Tap on the back of the slide with no problem. I also have Two P17's. All Three Guns are Tack Drivers and I have several thousand rounds through all three Guns! Thinly Real Problem is that the CP33 Eats Too Much Ammo, Ha Ha Ha!

[@joemoment-o1275]

I have a Marlin Model 60 SB that I keep for self defense. Loaded with brass plated HP. 14 rounds. So far, no one has cared that it's "Just a .22" You want to leave with 14 more holes than Jesus gave you? No one wants that.

[@schairphoenix4059]

ya it'll beat an unarmed man most of the time.. Good luck

[@xrmatt1010]

SCHAIR PHOENIX Working in a Level 1 trauma center I’ve seen people of all ages including children shot with everything from 9mm to 45 most of them survived including the child shot with the 45. One night I had the medics bring in a man who was about 300lbs and little over 6 feet tall, one 22lr to chest,no exit wound upon rapid inspection, patient was deceased before we got him off the stretcher onto the trauma table. So yes in hindsight a 22lr is more than a sufficient man stopper contrary to what all the fudds will tell you.

[@tylerrobbins8311]

@@xrmatt1010 Shot placements is what causes death with guns. .22 is the most efficient at placing the shot on target, hence why the military uses a .22 caliber. The US adopted the 5.62×39 and the Soviets adopted 5.49×54 over 7.62×39 just as examples.

[@andy6043]

@@tylerrobbins8311 5.56 ?

[@tylerrobbins8311]

@@andy6043 😂 didn't see the spelling error cooking spell check is utter trash sometimes.

[@skm9420]

I kept thinking to myself why does the 22 lr have such a longer rear section to the slide then I remembered, oh, blow back.

[@entropicgirl8648]

Ok, not even close in power size or usage. The. CP33 is a plinking toy, lots of fun but that’s about it, meanwhile the PMR30 is a formidable handgun that can make a reliable EDC for those that are recoil shy. The only commonality between .22 and .22WMR is only bore diameter and means to ignite charge, or both are rimfire. The .22 mag has more uncommon with .222 swift than .22lr. Sorry but I don’t understand why you compare the two, I don’t foresee someone looking at the CP33 considering the PMR as an alternative. The CP owners usually are usually looking at a 1022 pistol variant.

[@andy6043]

.22 Magnum is to .22 long rifle is like .357 Mag is to .38 special. It's all about velocity !

[@entropicgirl8648]

andrew k. ennis Andy Even then .38 and .357 are share more similarities, most notably is the projectile itself, both have similar choices in ammo FMJ, semi jacketed Hollow points etc etc. Meanwhile try to find a FMJ .22LR or a 22WMR heavy sub sonic. Aguila of you read this please develope a .22WMR short cased heavy bullet subsonic like the SSS. There’s also a huge difference in the firearms and actions .22LR is found in everything from break open 1 to 4 barrel derringers, wheel guns, semi auto pistols and rifles, full auto pistols and rifles, mini Gatling gun, belt fed 1022 variants, AR platform conversions kits, and most popular pistols from Beretta, Sig, even the colt 1911 can be converted to .22LR for some cheap plinking. Now we look at firearms chambering .22 WMR and the most glaring difference is that there’s hardly any .22WMR semi auto rifles that are reliable not a single conversion kit I could find and there is only 1 reliable semiauto pistol and that being Kel-Tec’s PMR30. And yes I said reliable because the latest gen PMR’s are reliable assuming you use only a handful of quality ammo. And that’s another thing. Virtually all .22WMR ammo uses slower burning powder, great for rifles but gives my PMR a muzzle flash and report that’s more like a .357 than a .22LR. Only notable exception is Hornady’s critical defence that’s geared for shorter barrel firearms. Sorry if I seem critical of comparing .38 and .357 to the differences between .22 and .22WMR but they are starkly different to the point that you can’t shoot them both out of the same revolver like you can .357/.38. The casings totally different diameter and the way the bullet is crimped into the case would be enough to denote a break between the two. .22LR is comparable to .22WMR as .22WMR is similar to 22 Hornet.

[@jimmymarshall7572]

@@entropicgirl8648 andrew you live to correct people ... live life bro

[@entropicgirl8648]

jimmy marshall Come again? Sorry you might want to use a couple more words maybe some punctuation.

[@katrinaanon1038]

22 mag may be more powerful but so is a 5.7. 22 mag has been very difficult to get in the last 2 years and nearly impossible to get in the last 6 months. 22lr is tough but not as scarce as 22 mag

[@mathewgoebel4078]

I'm not saying that they Will work but either one of those clips will fit in either 1 of the guns

[@prestonmiller8485]

This guy obviously love the word obviously. :D

[@cordellscott]

Obviously, it's very obvious

[@timlaxtonsr3729]

P33 are going retail here in wv is $499

[@cplinstructor]

.22lr Ruins it for me, .22 Magnum and it might be an arguably good for self defense, add a brace and the CP-33 would be a really cool option for carry or truck gun, but .22lr? Forget it. Being .22lr only relegates it to permanent range toy status. So close. I can’t think of why Keltec thought that was a good idea.

[@pandaking6247]

Not to mention it would save PMR/CMR-30 users money for magazines if the CP-33 was chambered in .22 Magnum.

[@JohnSmith-fq3rg]

A: the difference between 22mag and 22 isnt that big, B: 22lr is the most lethal caliber statistically speaking, is available in hollow point, and is most effective when abusing it's low recoil and controlability to make more successfull repeat shots on a target, increasing the chance of more succesful shots to vital areas instead of the extremities. 22lr has successfully killed more people than any other single cartridge.

[@cplinstructor]

@@JohnSmith-fq3rg That is mostly myth and misstatement. I am unaware of a verifiable statistic that shows .22 LR as having killed more than any other cartridge, but for the sake of argument we will assume that is true, however, that does not mean that it is the most effective or even adequate. You have to factor in how many there are, where they are, who is using them, and how they are using them, and you are also ignoring hoe many were simply wounded instead of killed. A BB gun CAN be a lethal round (perhaps if you hit someone in the eye), but no one with half a brain would consider it appropriate for self defense. The reason that .22 LR has killed as many as it has is because cheap .22s have been available for over a century and the people who tend to rely on those are in ghettos with a higher probability of having to use it. Just because a million gang bangers shoot each other with cheap .22s because that’s what they have does not make .22 LR an effective round. If it were, don’t you think police and military would be using it? To be considered effective the modern standard is that the round pass FBI penetration tests, witch is 12 inches in to 10% calibrated ballistics gel, which .22 LR is unlikely to do

[@why3011]

@@cplinstructor making allusions to BB guns is the real 22 myth. You're doing your part to reinforce the belief some people have that it's not dangerous, and that my friend, is dangerous.

[@cplinstructor]

@@why3011 I never said it wasn’t dangerous, even a BB gun can be dangerous, I’m saying that for the apparent intended purpose, self defense, it is completely unsuitable. .22LR Is just NOT a sufficient caliber for self defense.

[@reelnative01]

Were is n the hell you finding that 30 for 350.00 ? Out the back of someone’s trunk of there car in an alley

[@timlaxtonsr3729]

Mine cost me $600 :(

[@virtuaguyverify]

30 and 33 are both $350 each from PSA specials

[@rdb8509]

Great summary

[@call4770]

Maybe I missed it, on the CP33, what is the serialized firearm? The lower like an AR or the upper like a FAL?

[@joemoment-o1275]

Most likely the lower frame. They probably didn't care to make it the module

[@MarksmanTV]

The lower is the serialized part

[@jimrodriguez8047]

Great review!

[@GunsGuy1990]

How exactly PMR30 delayed blowback works? I found very little info about on the internet...

[@jackorwick]

The barrel free floats. But There isn't an actual locking mechanism. But if there is enough drag from the case on the barrel then the cartridge stays in battery until the barrel gets to the rear of its float. This would be an example of recoil operation. If you use a lower pressure cartridge there is less drag on the barrel and the barrel stays in place and the case begins to extract immediately witch would be an example of blowback opperation. It seems to work most of the time but there have been a few reports of ruptured cases.

[@bobbyperu5016]

Cp33 charging guides look like street sweeper blades. Pretty rickety

[@ihatefrogs4390]

cp33...why would there even be a comparison?...22 lr is not and has never been in the same field as 22mag.. only thing in common is there both rim fire..

[@wardroland270]

Thanks MTV. Great job. Good info.

[@PaulOutsidetheWalls]

Why does the CP33 have so much slide behind the handle?

[@JohnSmith-fq3rg]

straight blowback

[@ru2yaz33]

Not a striker fire, it's internal hammer.

[@SzymczykProductions]

Lol...yes, internal hammer, still it's striker fired. All rim cartridges are striker since it is not center fired

[@timlaxtonsr3729]

Put 30 in my opinion is a better gun

[@timlaxtonsr3729]

Pmr

[@raraDaRam815]

Can you use magnum 22 ammunition on the CP33?

[@payup2023]

Ahh...No.

[@kenb7068]

Only once

[@goto1546]

22.lr pistols

[@brianmiller2739]

Gun mechanic not an engineer

[@nashehanes1044]

You know it wouldn't seem egotistical to watch your own videos before uploading them to youtube. If so done, you might have caught the fact that you said the OAL of the CP33 is 2(two).6 inches instead of 10.6 inches. I watched this part about 6 times and you are definitely saying 2, not 10. OOOPSIE.

[@madedigital]

PMR30 DUAL 60 ROUNDS