Keltec sub 2000 gen 3 vs sub 2000 gen 2.

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@sixate 4 ай бұрын

Just recently got the gen 3 for my kid to shoot at the range. Threw a Vortex red dot on it and I was blown away by how fun and accurate it is. Zero issues after a few range days so completely happy so far.

@billbritzman8188 4 ай бұрын

I have a Gen 1. Love it. Super accurate and shoots whatever I feed it. I am upgrading to a Gen 2. Kel Tec offers that upgrade for $150. I send them my Gen 1 and they send me a Gen 2. Super deal!

@ArmorXIII 6 ай бұрын

To me, the Sub2K is like a backup for a backup. The Gen 2 with built in sights allows it fit a backpack pretty easily while having the capabilities to aim. Pretty much why I still have it because its pretty neat. Mine has a angled grip and a flashlight.

@humorss 6 ай бұрын

if you put flip up on the gen 3 its pretty much the same foot print. very torn between getting a new micro dot or just use flip ups.

@DARTHDANSAN 5 ай бұрын

I keep my gen 2 in my car to protect me from mob violence. Got like 400 rounds and 4 or 5 33 round magazines ready to go

@humorss 5 ай бұрын

@@DARTHDANSAN how many are you taking on at once, you need a second one for suppressive fire.

@whitcampbell2339 24 күн бұрын

Same here with the Gen 2. Love the slim design, have laser light on the bottom, angled foregrip, and tube sleeve with a soft case. Very reliable. Never have had a feed issue or jam with over 300rds through it.

@nerdtoys2938 8 күн бұрын

I agree. Once you add the grip and optic it is no longer as thin.

@Gehrt 6 ай бұрын

I would love to see the Sub2k in 10mm!

@fnord5 5 ай бұрын

I'd kill for that. Lol. I'd still keep my 9mm, just because of ammo availability.

@ursaminor3740 5 ай бұрын

Then that’s not ‘sub’ anymore you know

@ogkandyteeff 4 ай бұрын

@@ursaminor3740 but it would still be "sub". A sub gun fires pistol ammo in rifle form and 10mm is a pistol round.

@sleigh4019 4 ай бұрын

5.7 was out few days ago using Ruger 20 rd mags

@124thDragoon 2 ай бұрын

that'd require a bit of redesign. The Sub-2000 is straight blowback. There simply isn't enough room inside the Sub-2000's receiver and stock tube to house a bolt heavy enough and a spring strong enough to withstand the energy of 10mm. They'd have to design some sort of delayed blowback mechanism, which would increase cost. And that just doesn't sound like something Kel-tec would do.

@dougd959 5 ай бұрын

I think I prefer the Gen 2. If I want to load it up with quality accessories I'd just use a nicer AR9. This is for your backpack or behind the back seat of your truck etc.

@ericbergfield6451 6 ай бұрын

Glad to see Kel Tec improving their lineup, these are some good upgrades to the Gen 2

@Capricornconnect 5 ай бұрын

I actually love my sub 2k extremely accurate out the box

@waldemarschubert3013 Ай бұрын

I do not know both of them. But gen3 rotates on 2 axles when folding. Gen 2 only on one. My experience is keep it simple is the better way. What saying the experts?

@Leonardmichael 6 ай бұрын

Maybe gen 4 should be able to rotate the barrel 180 degrees so that it can neatly fold with optics.

@robertconley8068 4 ай бұрын

The gen 3 does that

@seanjohnfits 4 ай бұрын

@@robertconley8068 Does it? Are you sure? Nobody has shown that. Everyone showing it rotated 90 degrees.

@Aaron-bb5gi 4 ай бұрын

@@seanjohnfitsit rotates completely

@awnzotheman 2 ай бұрын

Gen 4 will prob fold sideways

@sinbad150 4 ай бұрын

You can't really say the gen 3 is cheaper because you now have to buy an optic

@nathanlindemulder7582 3 ай бұрын

Saw the 1st Phorm shirt, immediately subscribed

@davidgore5719 Ай бұрын

INTRO---For the armed robber, this is one guy you never want to get into a gunfight with!! Thanks for the review.

@joshuanolen6896 3 ай бұрын

I have a RedLion aftermarket 360 adjustable handguard for my Gen 2. It allows me to put the red dot but you have to loosen a barrel nut, spin the handguard 180 degrees then re-tighten.

@MichaelSmith-kb9iu 5 күн бұрын

Grip on gen 2 is short if you get the g19/23 version… i have small hands and like the compatibility with being able to use g19 mags. You can get em in all kinds of different flavors.

@Sabtaj65 6 ай бұрын

Strike industries Ambush 45 degree offset mount is the best cheapest option I’ve used on the Gen 2. Fits and folds perfect. Accepts an insane amount of optics also. 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

@hedsy 6 ай бұрын

The castle nut is also different. I got rid of my gen 2 because the nut became "unglued" and fell apart. Hopfully the gen 3 is better becuase its something I would actually like.

@mattbyrne7621 Ай бұрын

I think it needs a quad lock style mount. Something that you could rotate to remove your red dot and maybe a second mount on the side to clip it back on and inline with the rest of the rifle when not in use.

@mdarks4117 5 ай бұрын

Nice vid! I had to sacrifice my firearms to care of fam needs. Now can hold onto 1 gun budget gun for everything (fun, SHTF, bugout). I’m deciding on the Sub 2K gen 3 or the Ruger PC9 backpacker.

@leegomez2811 2 ай бұрын

Sir there is no shame with budget guns I have a whole collection of mid tier gun they work most are simply copy of more expensive guns and you can buy more ammo ..

@wilycoyote9091 4 ай бұрын

I like most of the improvements, but don't like that they've deleted any sights and forcing you to put an optic on it in order to shoot it. If you had a spare one sitting around then not so bad, but if you had to buy one that just ups the overall price. That was the trap with folks upgrading the Gen 2 model to get it the way they wanted it they would often exceed the price of the gun in upgrades for a lot of stuff that perhaps should have been there from the factory. I wanted to know if they are still using a plastic feed ramp since that was ridiculous design in the Gen 2, after all who but Kel Tec would think a plastic feed ramp was a great idea? I've shot a friends 45 caliber Gen 2 and it was fun, but I never thought that the Sub2000 was meant to hold up for too long and was more of a novelty that ends up spending most of its life in the back of the gun cabinet. And like you said, you're wondering why you got it and have to come up with the theoretical apocalypse scenario to give it a tangible purpose. Now the S&W FPC is built like a real rifle that will hold up for many years of heavy use, and comes with a lot of desirable features as stock equipment at bit more money. BTW: the Gen 2 came in a G19 size and a G17 size like yours, and I am assuming they continued with both in the Gen 3 and they probably sent you the shorter G19 version so it would fit G19 mags and up rather than G17 mags and larger mags.

@igortiger9862 4 ай бұрын

It's a very large barrel for a pistol caliber rifle, more than 10.5" is a loss of speed. They should reduce it to 10.5", it would be perfect. Introduce calibers with 10mm and .30 Carbine.

@matlilly8795 Ай бұрын

I have a gen 1 in .40, suppressed... I wouldn't trade it for anything. A company called M Carbo makes kits to upgrade the parts to not-plastic, and really makes it a quality weapon. I'd recommend .40 because out of a carbine it is a deadly round, as well as inherently sub-sonic.

@robschlotterbeck2566 22 күн бұрын

There is a reason I got the S&W FPC. Side folding is just smarter all around.

@jasestarr8606 2 ай бұрын

Recently checked out both and went with gen 2 it felt better holding it and the sights are already attached, gonna add a butt pad and get a couple more mags

@Jesses001 2 ай бұрын

I am not sure about the new Gen 3, but the Gen 2 could come with the longer or shorter grip. I find it likely the Gen 3 has a longer grip option as well.

@jtejas1998 3 ай бұрын

Would be great if these videos had the links to the featured products. It would make it easier finding them for those who are interested in acquiring them.

@BigBadJohn Ай бұрын

Crowning, threading and boring barrels for choke tubes will get you over worrying about flagging real fast.

@big4kt 6 ай бұрын

Nice video production man! I just got into guns I work construction and some guy that was working there used to be a seal I guess he was telling me about this gun and how he has a 30 round mag on it with 2 more 30 round mags mounted on it how would one do that what would I need to buy to do that? Thank you

@arnellwyatt114 6 ай бұрын

Look at the Smith & Weston M&P. It comes with a place to store 2 extra magazines. It's not a Kel Tec, but it folds just like it. It's a bit heavier also. I held both of them today, and im going with kel tec cause it is lighter.

@big4kt 6 ай бұрын

@@arnellwyatt114 good choice me too I'm going with a kel tec sub2000 gen 3 that takes Glock mags honestly

@justinverardi5027 4 ай бұрын

Here’s a mag holding Stock for the Sub-2000…also has a nice absorbing cushion on the back of it

@justinverardi5027 4 ай бұрын

They also make a Foregrip that can hold another so there’s your 2

@timd729 4 ай бұрын

Forget about mounting mags to it, you will just make it heavier. He probably does it to reduce recoil when firing with all that weight. I think the big mags in the video are red clear ETS mags for Glocks.

@ICanDoItMyself Ай бұрын

Skip the Sub-2000 all together and get the S&W FPC. I've owned both, the FPC is better. The Gen 3 Sub-2000 removed the slim advantages that the Gen 2 had over the FPC. Also, if you mount the Midwest Industries mount further forward, you don't have to lock the charging handle back with paricord.

@frankensteincreations4740 6 ай бұрын

Make the grip the same length as the gen2, make the barrel the same as the gen2 and put the sights back on it, and it’s the perfect factory made sub 2000…

@xjimdacactusx 5 ай бұрын

*integrally suppressed*

@mdarks4117 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, at first I thought the iron sights were built into the gen 3. Always good to have in case your battery powered optic goes down.

@E36_Brando 4 ай бұрын

What model holosun scope is that

@dq7143 3 ай бұрын

Great review on the pros and cons

@martinharkless1272 3 ай бұрын

I love the Gen2 it’s great to shoot, it’s accurate. It’s fun

@stephencromer1526 10 күн бұрын

What forward grip is that on the gen 3?

@damienthomas6655 6 ай бұрын

❤❤❤Can you just put a canted 45 degree mount on the side ,so you have your irons and a red dot on the 45 ,that's what i would try out ???????❤❤❤

@Jaydoublyou Ай бұрын

It doesn’t fold flat if the optic sticks out. Ruins the main selling point of this to me: if the assembly rotated 180 degrees and it folded with optic on top instead of side it would be a win. For me gen 2 wins I don’t know

@duckhunter8387 2 ай бұрын

The problem with the Gen2 is people try to turn a cheap gun into something it will never be. "A great Gun". Nice comparison though.

@scottydouglass1892 3 ай бұрын

I just got my gen3. This time I got the glock mag version, because 20 + 13 mags are better.

@DARTHDANSAN 5 ай бұрын

They made a gen 3 ?!?!?

@124thDragoon 2 ай бұрын

Gen 2 Sub 2000s came in both Glock 17 *and* Glock 19 grip lengths. They simply stopped offering the Glock 17 grip length with the Gen 3, and along with it they stopped offering the "Multi Mag" option - an alternate mag well spec that could accept a bunch of different mag catch inserts. They made mag catches for Beretta 92, Walther P99 / Canik TP9, S&W M&P, etc mags. They've effectively condensed everything down to a single model to reduce cost.

@jessemidyett1 3 ай бұрын

I saw that stove pipe in the intro.

@sleigh4019 4 ай бұрын

You know they offer different grip sizes sparky you should bought the 17 version gen3

@dereckc9469 3 ай бұрын

I knew they did for gen 2, I wasnt aware of gen 3...a 17 version would be better for me

@sleigh4019 3 ай бұрын

@@dereckc9469 They dropped a 5.7 version a week ago

@sleigh4019 3 ай бұрын

@@dereckc9469 I have a sub9 but its even older then all these ..they made a gun before this aluminum version ..I forget what they called it might be a grendal gun also ..that old!! Not sure what they called it but I bought that before gen1 in the 90s

@HunterMatthew 16 күн бұрын

M carbos rotating rail is not as good as gen3 stock also because Mcarbo has a locking ring you need to untwist to be able to rotate and then retighten after rotating. extra step every time. gen3 look how quick and beautiful you rotate it around with no extra locking mechanism required

@1nfamyX 5 ай бұрын

I love the thumbnail 🤣

@Jrekt 2 ай бұрын

Love my gen 2

@rlee6984 Ай бұрын

Gen 4 should have it fold to the side

@Sora2529 5 ай бұрын

He didn't have to kick the target

@robertboutin6232 6 ай бұрын

Heard the gen 3's are having problems

@ChrisWojnarski 6 ай бұрын

What kind of problems? I got one only one rang trip so far just wanna know what to look out for. One thing I seen was a little buffer rubber bushing thing pops out sometimes in the buffer tube

@laserjohn2783 5 ай бұрын

@@ChrisWojnarski I have one only issue this past range trip last weekend was the recoil bushing got pinched between spring and locking clip. Ordered an MCarbo bushing much more rigid fixed the issue under 10.00 bucks! LOVE the Gen3 as a matter of fact! Have a green dot, flip ups, laser and flashlight , forward handgrip and rubber butt pad great shooter!!

@MondaysWithMooch 5 ай бұрын

@@laserjohn2783what butt pad did you go with?

@laserjohn2783 5 ай бұрын

@@MondaysWithMooch , Missouri Tactical off their store on Amazon fits like a glove also just upgraded the soft recoil buffer to a more rigid one from MCarbo. Paid 18.00 for pad down to 15.85 now!!

@hillwilliam 4 ай бұрын

The only Gen 3 issue I had are with the supplied Magpul magazine. Glock 19mags function flawlessly. Had to slam Magpul to lock in. After a little trimming with a utility knife, the Magpul works fine. The gun produces very tight groups at fifty yards, the longest I’ve tried. Thanks for the video.