Kemi Badenoch calls Labour MP 'liar' in transgender children clash

[@rakeshshah6772]

Why didn’t the chair ask the Lab MP to corroborate her statement instead of going on about the type of language used?

[@TrackerNeil]

Probably because the chair just doesn't want to get into it, and I can't blame her. Kemi probably shouldn't have used the word "liar", but she was absolutely right to demand the MP cite her sources.

[@hughwilliams5995]

Badenoch referred to it as an epidemic. Epidemic is a word used to describe a disease. While she could argue it was used as a metaphor- such as in 'epidemic of locusts', it is clearly language which is calculated to be derogatory and dog whistling. And it worked- look at all the far right barking going on in response to this video.

[@stickykitty]

Because they are all in on it And they don't want to look stupid When it comes to facts So they avoid it every chance they can wriggle out of their Bs narrative Snakes

[@scoopbls]

She was within her rights and she was accurate that it was a false statement and a lie. But it's probably not wise as it's personal. Better to call it a false statement, if there are too many of them. Ask that the get sources for all statements and reconvene a later date.

[@mjc8281]

Ms Badenoch is reported as having said that it was an 'epidemic' In the Times, Telegraph, Mail and Spectator early Dec 2023...

[@BlackRose-vi2yg]

Kemi definitely won this one

[@oliverford5367]

Really hope she wins PMQs is gonna be box office again

[@23950522]

Home she means to carry on as she started well done Kemi.

[@kier1568]

No she didn't. Kemi Badenoch has (on multiple occasions) alluded to an "epidemic" of young people transitioning. That is comparing trans youths coming out to the spread of disease.

[@comradeblyat25]

"I'm not here to answer your questions" Translation: ive been caught in my lie but i dont want to admit it

[@Circa1692]

Yep, a narcissist will always respond like that "I don't want your opinion but I'm going to give you mine"

[@dianamincher6479]

You're paid to answer questions you banana!

[@kier1568]

Nah, she just clearly didn't have her notes organised and wasn't sure what quote she was referring to. Kemi Badenoch has (on multiple occasions) alluded to an "epidemic" of young people transitioning. That is comparing trans youths coming out to the spread of disease. You're welcome to go and look it up

[@susiebrown-p7h]

So Kemi, you are absolutely perfectly correct to call this mp out. Displaying, appalling & despicable behaviour

[@Uncle-Ruckus-]

"I'm not calling YOU a liar. You're calling ME a liar." Yeah...because you ARE one.

[@kier1568]

She's actually not lying. Kemi Badenoch has (on multiple occasions) alluded to an "epidemic" of young people transitioning. That is comparing trans youths coming out to the spread of disease.

[@ferdinandaho486]

Absolute brilliance Kemi

[@jamesfletcher1033]

Absolutely brilliant Kemi

[@davidwhittingham8617]

Well done Kemi

[@ptertaintv]

Kemi = Legend.

[@fimakinen2904]

Kemi = town in Finland

[@ptertaintv]

@@fimakinen2904 You're a typical annoying 🙄 anonymous Internet troll.😁

[@Aceshigh451]

@@fimakinen2904lol

[@AJ-ch6fu]

Yes but don't forget the last 14 years

[@math2651]

Huge admirer of Kemi Badenoch. She's a beautiful, smart and fierce woman!

[@vicom134]

… and she doesn’t have to courage to support her own words…

[@theeperson3764]

…and she doesn’t have the courage to support kids who are born transgender…

[@vicom134]

@BlueZone-us5zd in that video 🤷‍♀️

[@vicom134]

@BlueZone-us5zd Mmm, I’m not convinced. We say obesity epidemic, diabetes epidemic, car theft epidemic… We never say Taylor Swift epidemic, higher quality of life epidemic… Epidemic as a profound negative connotation

[@neonwired4978]

or a hateful bigot

[@scottcody3026]

Future Prime Minister.

[@craigwhite8963]

Atta Girl Kemi!! I love the pregnant pause when the MP realizes she is trapped by her own stupidity!

[@Xbot4Life]

Thats what i call a woman. Im impressed. I need to be more like this at work.

[@jonsmum5552]

I’m not here to answer your questions = I made it up.

[@Xtjiggzs]

😂

[@adedayoademuyiwa]

🤣🤣

[@EnglishNorthern]

Kemi is a common sense MP and one of the few i would be enthusiastic to vote for.

[@dianamincher6479]

BadenochMP is an entitled banana from Nigeria=she's a nightmare!

[@alexlashman4279]

Kemi for PM.

[@johnnicol64]

Nailed . She used to destroy Diane Abbot , etc .😅😅😅 Not hard mind.

[@gillianrobinson8116]

yeah Abbott destroys herself shes a total joke but good for Kemi to practise on !!!

[@hughwilliams5995]

Excellent opportunity to do a bit of doubling down on the most abused MP by hiding behind the bile of another Black woman MP. Great camouflage....

[@carlthomas1587]

This is why !Kemj is going to be really good, holding people to account.

[@shallwego4]

Can't agree more

[@Chanelfairclough]

Where is the full video?

[@stumpgrindingdirect]

Love her already, she is a great woman !!!

[@BuffaloSoldier1965.]

Kemi is wonderful!

[@Aarenby]

She would have me unalvie

[@georgeelliott5613]

Unparliamentery language ,if you lie you are a liar

[@AdamTheAd-vanc3d]

Let's dress it up and make it sound more cordial....." You are serial untruther " 😂😂😂

[@dac9666]

Kate Osborne comes across as a complete fool making a serious allegation without foundation. She was unable to provide the date, place or circumstances of the alleged statement by Badenoch and was rightly clobbered for it. In the context of verbal combat, Osborne got body slammed.

[@mickkennedy5513]

Bravo kemi.

[@John-ql7ng]

Listen to Ms. Badenoch.

[@alanglasgowbassist]

Good on you Kemi

[@shropsiberian]

You make a statement like that, you best back it up. It just shows the lengths Labour will go to to bring someone down. Kemi was right, she is a liar & should be accountable for such a statement.

[@grumpyoldman-uk]

Kemi actually used the word epidemic. The thick labour MP though that referred to disease. Dictionary meaning is "an outbreak or product of sudden rapid spread, growth, or development". The use of the word is often associated with the spread of a disease, but that is not its actual true meaning. Eg there can be an epidemic of knife crime.

[@billydeeuk]

I’m not defending the Labour MP, who was clearly going for a “gotcha” moment and hadn’t even thought to bring the quote with her in case the Minister or even the Chair asked her to cite her sources - however “epidemic” does have negative connotations (even the example you used, an “epidemic of knife crime” is hardly a desired thing). There is a genuine point to be made as to why the Conservative government used language that is provocative at best, inflammatory at worst, to discuss the rising numbers of children identifying as transgender (particularly when Badenoch clearly has strong personal views on the matter), but that Labour MP chose to come at this not with the surgical, clinical approach a select committee SHOULD take (they exist, after all, to dig below the surface of govt policy) but rather making a nakedly party political point by quoting her out of context

[@grumpyoldman-uk]

@@billydeeuk What Kemi had actually referred to was there being an epidemic of schools telling gay children they are transgender. You are right - this was an attempt at a "gotcha" moment by the Labour MP and she came out of it very, very badly. Epidemic is indeed commonly regarded as a bad thing and associated with disease, but that is because the wider meaning has been hi jacked. For me the bigger issue here is that the government (somewhat late) have produced much needed guidance for schools on the back of the Cass Review which Labour are reining back on.

[@gamerknown]

@@grumpyoldman-uk can you think of an example where epidemic has positive connotations?

[@hazelthemcwitch]

@@gamerknownit’s an accurate word for the context, this is a social contagion disproportionally affecting kids with conditions such as autism and anorexia. If you think children being given puberty blockers (which commonly cause tumours), hormones and cutting off healthy parts of their bodies (leading to sterilisation and lifelong complications from the surgery) when the evidence shows the majority, if given time, will grow past their gender dysphoria is a positive thing I respectfully suggest you need to re-examine your position. No one is saying trans people don’t exist or shouldn’t have rights and the absolute freedom to live how they choose but there are also valid concerns over child protection and women’s safety to be considered too. I’ve noticed the people who shout the loudest over being inclusive tend to be the ones trying to exclude everyone else.

[@inevski]

​@@billydeeuk Being groomed to believe your biological sex doesn't matter because of your clothes, hair and preferences: Is Negative. Rapid onset, pathway to medical dependency via unnecessary confusion. The trans umbrella reinforces gender stereotypes whilst claiming gender non-conformity requires 'sex-swaps'. Total crazymaking to confuse youngsters, for an adult agenda.

[@harrypalmer7169]

The first thing to come out of the chairs mouth to the accuser should have been, "do you have the facts to back up your accusation"?.

[@tonyrussi7777]

she IS a liar.

[@dianamincher6479]

She liees continually when it suits her and she fails to mediate her lies! She won't own nothing but the cash!

[@simonfletcher7114]

This is what we want for our Prime Minister. No rubbish,, no lies,, straight talking Kemi. Move over Left Liberal woke weak values. Go Kemi

[@gillianrobinson8116]

Thank you Kemmi keep up the good work 👍🙏🏽🥰

[@JBigjake]

“You can’t call her a liar.” “OK, then. Kate Osborne speak with forked tongue!”

[@rodneykitchen3869]

Good on you Keri

[@outlawedgiraffe]

Doesn’t matter where you stand politically (I am not a fan of Badenoch), the Labour MP practically set herself up to lose the debate because she had nothing to back up her claim

[@junedraper6924]

I believe the the Conservative have a good one, at last.

[@shallwego4]

Why can't we use the word lie, maybe if we did false news would stop.

[@jorgesanchez2118]

Badenoch said 'you are lying' which is not the same as calling someone a liar. The Independent here making the same mistake as the labour MP, i.e. twisting the language for their own benefit.

[@davidlittlewood4215]

Why is it that these people can make false statements and think they can get away with it?

[@AM-fw3bi]

Because their husbands let them

[@sarahjones7239]

I love Kemi she is the best MP in the Conservative Party, strong, fierce, intelligent, articulate, knowledgeable, passionate and can back everything up she ever says with evidence ….a smart cookie and force to be reckoned with. A credit to the Tory party shame more weren’t like her x

[@bield7]

😂😂😂😂

[@thenethralking6032]

This is what happens when you stand up to bullies. Stand your ground

[@marinadegiulio-dm1nr]

I love Kemi i know you will make a great MP leaser for the Tories you have the tacked that exposes the liers just by asking a direct question well done

[@Blacknight1812]

if an MP makes a statement that is not true, then it is a LIE. Kemi is perfectly entitled to call out the MP who says something that is not true that cannot be referenced by date or source. The word LIE is a very powerful word and sometimes it should be used. It just goes to show that some MP's are thin skinned when they get caught out and the chair should have asked for the source of the statement, or ask her to withdraw it, if it is not true.

[@DavidJohnson-dc8lu]

I hope Kemi does not warm up to me the was Candace Owen's did. I know I used to hate them both, now I am a fan of Owen's. Kemi is warming me up a little. No don't do it!

[@ben101420]

Waoo...Yh the mp need to substantiate the statement.

[@ronniefoxxx]

go Kemi

[@incaseinever]

People make stuff up for gas lighting or character attacking and many believe it.

[@Tom-pr3yh]

British politics need someone like Kemi. Star quality.

[@vinay9053]

Kemi 🙌

[@MarkWilliams-rd5jf]

Labour Misinformation....... who would of thought

[@geoffm9944]

Kemi is brilliant in this verbal exchange. She stood her ground, and quite rightly - because a transgender Labour MP produced a quote from Kemi which was a complete falsehood! Let’s call a spade a spade and say the Labour MP was telling a ‘porky’ and should have apologised to Kemi. Sadly, in this video clip we have a weak and feeble chairperson (Caroline Noakes) who should have told the transgender Labour MP to apologise. But Noakes didn’t have the courage to call out this slur on Kemi. 😊

[@brianmorrison9168]

Your first three words will do .. Kemi is brilliant

[@jackcarpenters3759]

wow. you guys are screwed. People can lie and even get protected for it.

[@warcid9]

Well done Kemi!! Don’t let them smear you. Stand your ground every time.

[@mariasavva821]

kemi to rule the world

[@daciuk8]

Good on you Kemi!

[@debracooper1901]

Go Kemi. Clear, concise, firm

[@davidcarroll5686]

To for it kemi!!!

[@dougdean8996]

Keep up the Fight Kemi.

[@janmitchell3015]

Well done Kemi. She’s 100% right. Everything has to be completely true. So good of Kemp.

[@kathybramley5609]

Is this your attempt at investigative journalism: have you independently sourced information to back either claim up!? Or are just presenting in the same manner as playground gossip about a fight!

[@kathybramley5609]

I suspect Badenoch did say something along those lines, though perhaps if we had the relevant quotes/tweets/hansard/speeches to hand she'd argue or remember it was expressing concerns of social contagion, a dubious theory about increased trans identification. Whether that is the same thing is a matter of interpretation, but I think it's pretty darn close, a legitimate interpretation that doesn't make Osbourne a liar there. I don't care much about the oh-so-massive sin of so-called unparliamentary language - there are some famous refusals and resistance to retracting such "language" that I have supported. I don't care about that point of the rulebook, as much as the truth! As about the wellbeing of the people! The truth is important in pursuit of the best interests of the people parliament represents & governs. In fact I feel that rule has been getting in the way of parliaments said duties. We know that the conservative government, prime ministers and other members, over it's many recent configurations has been lying and unparliamentary in many ways! But that's not to say I am happy with how the Starmer administration has gone about its business either.

[@Xbot4Life]

@@kathybramley5609 I suspect she didnt say it, which is why she was so confident. The internet never forgets, if she said it, the person who lied would have made a note of it and quoted it. But she didnt and couldnt, im glad she got called out. I have no love for Kemi's party but if women like the liar are the alternative i will have to vote tories again like i did when i was almost inflicted with corbyn

[@gillianrobinson8116]

they are both as bad but a chance tories might be slightly better depending who stands but its a 100% certain labour will bring the UK to its knees labour are scary 😤😡

[@michaelstewart-n4p]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 to kemi

[@davidlancaster4476]

why doesn't kim badenoch challenge kate osborne to repeat those accusations outside of the house of commons without parliamentary priviledge, kate hoey tried that trick on terry venables, but wouldn't repeat it outside, because she was a liar. challenge her, do it.

[@kathybramley5609]

I suspect Badenoch did say something along those lines, though perhaps if we had the relevant quotes/tweets/hansard/speeches to hand she'd argue or remember it was expressing concerns of social contagion, a dubious theory about increased trans identification. Whether that is the same thing is a matter of interpretation, but I think it's pretty darn close, a legitimate interpretation that doesn't make Osbourne a liar there. I don't care much about the oh-so-massive sin of so-called unparliamentary language - there are some famous refusals and resistance to retracting such "language" that I have supported. I don't care about that point of the rulebook, as much as the truth! As about the wellbeing of the people! The truth is important in pursuit of the best interests of the people parliament represents & governs. In fact I feel that rule has been getting in the way of parliaments said duties. We know that the conservative government, prime ministers and other members, over it's many recent configurations have been lying and unparliamentary in many ways!

[@davidlancaster4476]

@@kathybramley5609 i take it that you don't care about slander and libel just like rayner who was put in her place about lying by penny mordant, and sat down with embarresment and as for lying tony blair and wmd and sending british troops to iraq to their deaths, another labour traitor who ought to be in jail for stealing money from the public to prosecute the very same soldiers that he sent there, as for your statement that goes "i suspect badenoch did say something" , i'd love to hear you reply to a lawyer saying that about a member of your family being charged with a crime, it would be thrown out immediately, that's how people get put in jail, by people giving evidence that starts with "i think it was him or it looked like him"

[@skevosmavros]

The "epidemic" (not disease) she referred to was an epidemic of people telling "young gay children" that they are trans, and telling them that they should go on hormones etc. The use of the (daft) term "epidemic" was an allegation about the rise in TELLING kids this, not a rise in the number of gay or trans kids themselves. I'm not sure if she ever backs up this claim with data, either in parliament or in committee, but if we're going to attack her for saying a dumb thing, we have to attack her for the dumb thing she actually said. Here's the actual parliamentary session: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kF7GqaCdrK6AnNksi=-PoQx-p_BsCpCMnA Jump to 28:08 to see the question that prompted the answer that contains the comment that was misrepresented in committee.

[@Kingcarparpeggio]

Unparliamentary Language ….hahaha…..more like parliamentary bullshit !!!!

[@dereknash3638]

@@kathybramley5609 you suspect! The rest is word salad

[@kateandstevebeasley1678]

Well done…stand up for yourself and the country

[@Goldstone93]

Love kemi!

[@daveblanchard7059]

Go Kemmi so glad she is leader of the opposition now she deals with facts and not afraid to call others out

[@AbigailBrown-wk7xl]

Kemi is honest

[@wwbuirkle]

Even if she said it, it's true

[@olivermmm2012]

WELL DONE KEMI ❤❤❤

[@dave2408]

She lied therefore she is a liar

[@paulchambers6537]

How

[@dave2408]

@@paulchambers6537 because she lied it’s all on video

[@richardbeasley7756]

You go Kemi 🎉

[@nmg1909]

Where did she get the information from? When a politician cannot speak from fact except quoting from an unverified statement, it can be dangerous. This is a hearsay issue without verification.

[@watershogun-d9h]

Proud of kemi, its so clear that lady dosent know what she's talking about, else where's the proof?

[@ladyellensings3666]

Love Kemi xxx

[@spalding1968]

What the hell is going on here ? Badendoch used the word epidemic correctly ! These are the definitions of the word “ epidemic “ 1. An outbreak of a contagious disease that spreads rapidly and widely. 2. A rapid spread, growth, or development: Notice the second definition fits precisely with what Badendoc is saying and is not strictly relevant to a disease . You can have an epidemic of bad ideas . If autistic girls and gay children who previously grew up with autism in the same sex at birth continued on life identifying with their sex , suddenly started to identify other than their birth sex , then that explosion could be likened to an epidemic . There has been something like a 4000% increase in young people being referred for trans related care . That’s an explosion akin to an epidemic similar to definition two . The minister is therefore actually lying .

[@hughwilliams5995]

The second meaning is a metaphorical one. The original meaning is the first. The metaphorical purpose here is to describe something both growing exponentially and very bad- like a disease epidemic. As for 'the minister lying'- I think you haven't understood select committees (either).

[@spalding1968]

@@hughwilliams5995 how do you know which definition kemi meant ?

[@hughwilliams5995]

One has to look at context. Ms Badenoch (I'm not on first name terms) has made it her stock in trade to attack what she sees as a 'Woke Identity Culture' in which Trans people appear to have a special place both on the right and the left. Her words have been carefully abusive and ad hominem in style and she uses her intelligence to ensure that the maximum number of her canine followers respond violently to her whistle. Invoking disease is an excellent ploy for her just as invoking 'invasion' is good for her campaign to pull the ladder up on immigration. @@spalding1968

[@edwinkwesibouhene8913]

Kemi is what the UK needs she is strong wise and uplifting .

[@ALBERT2431]

Excellent

[@ClaireMitchell-n6y]

Goodness me - she wiped the floor with her.

[@yjkbuddy]

Wow she just trashed her

[@philcudworth8491]

Brilliant.

[@JammyDodger45]

Kemi is absolutely awesome, ignoring her political leaning she's a person who is not afraid to tell the truth and punch hard.

[@YolandeBurridge]

too B....... right Kemi. These people think they can say anything and getaway with it.

[@roku9134]

Fierce

[@allanthorpe7139]

Go Kemi go

[@risack8640]

I absolutely support Kemi

[@grahamcaslake1996]

Kemi for pm right NOW

[@buderimosteopath641]

Kemi is brilliant and taking the fight straight to the lefties

[@pietropes1322]

Kemi is a stong, intelligent woman who does not back down and deals in facts - a breath of fresh air tbh and I'm no Tory voter.

[@Aarenby]

She wants all LGBTQ folk non existennt

[@askeldouglas421]

This very sad , lady kemi is EXELLENT for great Britain 🇬🇧 ,i could see 👀 the jealous already ,but i think the lady will definitely understand .❤⚘🍃

[@CefaCat]

She’s brilliant

[@centurionguards3819]

The woke brigade is not used to coming against Nigerians.

[@boswellwhanau]

While she didn’t say it, it’s certainly true.

[@johndavey72]

Without thinking l exclaimed "Children !"

[@joyma82stonebridge91]

She didnt call her a liar she said its a lie and she is lying

[@steveygee1]

Looks fine here

[@stevenfaulkner6585]

I love the way they use the phrase, "Unparliamentary language" or behaviours when even in Parliament they behave like rowdy children in a playground and resort to name calling all the time. The phrase Unparliamentary language or behaviours would imply that there is a high standard that one should hold themselves too, but many rarely do. The chair was more focused on this said language than the fact it seemed and by all accounts appears to be a baseless slur on Ms Badenoch's name.

[@HENCHMARV]

Why are they promoting children changing gender . They needs to be a law where you can’t change gender until your 18 years old and after a lot of therapy.

[@LucyOLastic]

Who is "promoting"? The point here is plain. claiming there is an "epidemic of gay children being encouraged to change gender" is likening it to an outbreak of disease. No one said she used that word "disease" but her statement works adequately to imply it. It's as crass as calling the mass migration of boat people an "invasion." She needs to tone down her language. It's an overstatement at best.

[@Xbot4Life]

Pedo agenda.

[@rensha8635]

18 too young. In fact any age - wrong. We are our bodies, we are all born the right sex.

[@moif_velocita]

@@rensha8635 Some of us are trans. How you perceive yourself has no bearing on how others perceive themselves. Attempting to stop other people from living their lives in the manner which best suits them, is evil, even if you do try to use 'concerns' to excuse yourself. Your not protecting any one. Your only hurting trans kids

[@moif_velocita]

@@Xbot4Life Every right wing accusation is a confession. Go back to your church

[@23950522]

Good for her if you can’t authenticate a statement then don’t make it simple .

[@onlylexus]

The word 'disease' does not mean exactly the same as 'epidemic' they are not entirely consistent with one another and NOT interchangeable in their use. Epidemic can mean widespread in the sense that anything at all can be widespread, that meaning may not include the widespread of a disease and that should be known by the ignorance of Kate Osborne and her poor accusation. I agree with Badenoch in the sense that she may consider the spread of the Trans ideology and its terrible fall out on society may be an "epidemic". What is wrong with that? Osborne is ignorant!

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

I don't think theres a 'terrible fall out on society' just because a few man cosplay as woman. But I agree with everything else you said.

[@gamerknown]

@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 it’s hardly cosplay when people get surgery is it? There are also trans men

[@gamerknown]

What do you think the trans ideology is? As equality minister she has a duty to advocate for those covered under protected characteristics, including trans people.

[@onlylexus]

@@gamerknown What do I think the so called "trans ideology " is, you ask... well its a fairy tale invented by the extreme Far left who so, so, so just want it to be true! But its not its a lie! And IT can never be true! There are no such thing as "trans people" they only exist in the mind of the person making the absurd claim? A toad can never be a frog, a frog can never be a toad, no matter how much you want it to be true or say its true. If you want to live in a world where words mean nothing and have lost all there meanings because other extremists say those words don't exist any more, well then go ahead, let us live in a world of total anarchy! If you say I am wrong, then that is a fantasy claim, I am not wrong, I am absolutely right!

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

@@gamerknown Not everyone who calls themselves trans has surgery. And for those that do, they are still essentially men who think they identify as women.

[@raphaelsainte-claire4861]

I don't care for Badenoch, but you can't make statements like that unless you know it has been said, when it was said and where it was said.

[@bigtorrisi]

At last, a person with some umph. The torry come back begins.