KENJUTSU Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu - 33th All Japan Kobudo Demonstration (2010)

[@delphineum]

I don't get why some people are asking if the combat is normally this "slow". Can't you read? It says it's a "demonstration" in the title, it's not a real duel... Also, to all trolls and critics of swordsmanship that keep talking smack in every video: Go and get a life, stop being jerks please. It looks like a very interesting and fascinating thing to practice in my opinion. Learn some manners, if you dislike such videos, go ahead and hit dislike and leave.

[@ethangray8527]

No.

[@MCShvabo]

Also I think it should be noted that Iwami Soke (the guy using two swords) has Alzheimer's disease. It was impressive that he could do this well despite of that.

[@Ryu-qk1kx]

telling trolls to go get a life and stop being jerks is like asking water to stop being wet

[@VulpeculaOdin]

Musashi used to throw his Wakizashi when things got ugly. Can you imagine being in the midst of a duel & someone whangs a sword at you?

[@Robinofhood]

Where did you find this out?

[@VulpeculaOdin]

Read more about Musashi. He was an expert with Shuriken. Niten Ichi-Ryu's hidden techniques were said to include throwing the wakazashi.

[@cryptospuridium666]

Amadeus Hellequin I did that whilst fencing once. Needless to say I didn't get the point

[@Personmr]

+Amadeus Hellequin sounds like a good way to end a opponent rightly and still have full pommel coverage. :D

[@GaldirEonai]

+Personmr "Hmm, I can't unscrew the pommel on this sword...I know! I'll throw the whole thing! Genius!" Of course, with Niten Ichi-ryu, you'll still have a second sword to fall back on :P.

[@MalleusSemperVictor]

*Sasaki Kojiro wants to know your location*

[@milagrosambosador1673]

Только скажи мне брат, где ты находишься, только скажи...

[@Stick3x]

This is amazing, I get the feeling that there is a lot of subtle movements, so precise, I would not wanna be at the other end of anything these dudes had in their hands, especially swords in a fight to the death, this style is designed to kill as fast and precise as possible. I have the book of five rings on a playlist and on repeat. Check it out, It is more of a way of living then just sword fighting amazing.

[@bathtubbarracuda2581]

I was convinced by Musashi's utilitarian philsophy as soon as I read it. I think he was quite right in his assessment of the overaestheticisation of scientific technique, it's something you also see in Plato's political decadentism.

[@VASTAIRE2090]

I have studied Aiki Budo and Shorinji Kempo...one thing i love about old forms is there is no such thing...the human body is still the same! A sword can become a pipe or a mop stick or a bat in the street! Wise Martial Artist Know This! AN OFFICE PEN CAN BECOME A DEADLY WEAPON!..So dont hate on a form because its old? Learn how to apply it to your time!

[@saber2802]

stafferoinen Either weapons can be effective

[@prabshiro]

Absolutly correct. And musashi as we know used a wooden bokken to dangerous effects.

[@sankarsaminathan3757]

That's what John Wick said when he killed two guys with a fuking pencil

[@eutytoalba]

I personally like to carry a large asp (collapsible steel baton) for casual self-defense since I trained in Kenjutsu & Iaijutsu. (Shiden'issen Jujutsu school.) Perfectly modern tool-----if rather crude. 😩

[@KamenRider1]

As a Filipino and a practicioner of Arnis / Filipino Martial Art, I completely agree. The skills and knowledge that helped to liberate my people from Spanish tyranny are still very much effective and useful in the present. Mabuhay!

[@slurfje]

Thank you for a great recording of an excelent demonstration!

[@andrewhannigan931]

Musashi was a legend. a bit crazy but a legend nonetheless. (seriously some of the stories of his duels are hilarious)

[@innerpeach]

@BushiWaazup Traditionally the teacher (or higher ranked) will be the uchidachi (the losing side) and the student (or the lower ranked) will the shidachi (the winner). In many cases, the uchidachi is an aggressor and the shidachi has to respond to the incoming threat. Hence, a teacher would take up the role of uchidachi so to give students opportunity to practice the correct retaliatory actions and mindset.

[@NeioTheSevian]

It's interesting to note the Musashi in the Book of Five Rings never advocated for using your long and companion swords at the same time while in single combat, only when face with multiple opponents

[@Sypheara]

@Antellus1 If you think this is simply ritualised and stylized you are right, you are looking at kata. But the whole point of kata is to train muscle memory, so that you can replicate the same moves in a real fight without needing to actually think about what needs to go where. This hyoho is actually quite fluid in the foot movements, and its not as anywhere near as rigid as most kata. Please practice it before commenting on youtube. Regards.

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

@ Gropeking: You cannot learn HNIR from videos. You may be able to ape the movements somewhat, but the subtleties of the techniques would be absent. You need someone with experience there to show you how to perform the waza correctly. Fortunately, it is one of the more accesible schools in the West. Travel to a seminar (there's usually one a year) and see for yourself what it's like. That is simply the only way short of moving to Japan and studying with Soke.

[@1986nesha]

@DGHProductions Yes, we do kenjutsu on our training. We practice with katana, tachi, shoto, also different types of weapons....

[@nicostormUK]

@blackcerberus79 If you want to find out specifically about Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu, I would suggest looking on hyoho com, or nitenichiryu co uk, if you are interested in finding out about koryu kenjutsu in general, I'd suggest spending some time on ebudo com, or koryu com, and ultimately find a dojo and learn correctly!

[@KendoWorld]

@DGHProductions Oh I see ~ ! Sorry about the misunderstanding. On the whole, yes they are two different things. Thanks

[@skykid]

@FredDude27 In Kendo kiai in the form of targets is required, but Kenjutsu does not require kiai for demonstrations.

[@ContradictoryNature]

Kenjutsu is the practice of fighting with swords. "Ninjutsu" is kind of more an overall category of techniques like infiltration, sabotage, espionage, etc. There's "budo taijutsu" which is the martial art people associate with ninja, and it contains some kenjutsu. Ninja used the same weapons as samurai, after all. Long answer short; yes, budo taijutsu contains kenjutsu in addition to other things, but "ninjutsu" is a whole array of skills. I recommend watching this; /watch?v=KWBFokVoMSQ

[@kenninast]

@DGHProductions Yes it is. Togakure Ryū Ninjutsu has some rather interesting Tōjutsu gata.

[@nicostormUK]

@HARMONICO101 The gentleman on the left is Iwami Toshio, 11th Soke of the school. Shidachi for the kodachi seiho was (I believe) Isobe-sensei and uchidachi for the nito seiho was Nagaoka-sensei

[@KendoWorld]

@DGHProductions I dont fully understand your question? I know of a lot of mixed arts that include both techniques which could fall under Ninjutsu as well as sword forms which could fall under Kenjutsu. If you mean do most students of Ninjutsu do Kenjutsu, then I dont know enough to say. However a friend of mine from Sweeden who studies Ninjutsu also does Kendo. Sorry if I didnt answer your question, dont hesitate to clarify. Taylor Winter Kendo World

[@VandalCleaver]

I can see why the Niten Ichi-ryu was so effective against the longer no-dachi,such as in the duel between Musashi and Sasaki Kojiro.

[@redsol3629]

Miyamoto Musashi did not utilise the Niten Ichi-ryu against Kojiro. His weapon was a boat oar he carved into a long bokken.

[@user-sg8wj3vp6k]

​@@redsol3629 bokken*

[@kilooneeight]

@Antellus, this was how musashi taught it hundreds of years ago. Nothing was changed since the day musashi named his successor, that is why this belongs to Koryo meaning traditional. The Go Rin No Sho that you quoted from was it's battlefield application. in the dojo, the forms are practiced over and over again until it becomes muscle memory. the stiff forms that you are calling eventually become fluid and seamless in battle. ;)

[@denster7715]

@KendoWorld Well yes all i wanted to know was if Kenjutsu is a part of Ninjutsu, or if they are two different things.

[@HouseOfAngelica]

Miyamoto Mushashi (Shinmen Takezo) BABY :D I love this :D OSU , smiles and bows! Blessed be ^_^

[@robotkorobotev1807]

it depends there are 3 goals on bujutsu :fight-moral-discipline and the budo are :moral-discipline-aesthetics

[@Kilroy0128]

@DGHProductions as I know Ninjutsu students naturally practice Kenjutsu for exapmle Katori Shinto Ryu. That is very useful if you have less space to use your swords. Otherwise if someone wants to be a martial artist it is very useful to practice any kind of Kenjutsu. They are beautiful and they have good impact on the mind and body either:)

[@juanmanuelcoria79]

in some web pages says that there is 20 bo kata of ni ten ichi ryu, but i never see those before. Does anybody knows where ca i see them?

[@ANDREAILB]

Sorry for my ignorance, you mean that in Niten Ichi-ryu there is no Jodan Kamae? Or more simply that before cutting in the School students are taught to place the sword in hasso-no-kamae (center)?

[@Aulaein]

@Taliaisfuckinghawt99 I could be wrong, but daisho doesnt mean katana/wakizashi. Literally translated, it means "long, short". Not all samurai/ronin had a combination of a katana and wakizashi. Some used a tanto or otanto in place of a wakizashi. In fact, unless the wakizashi's handle is exclusively 1 handed, its incredibly difficult to fight with a two-handed sword while another one is on your waist. Ive tried it. So I can only assume they either carried a tanto or a short wakizashi.

[@Stethacanthus]

I had an instructor from Okinawa for a few years who taught me Niten Ichi Ryu. I am rudimentary at best, but it is a great style.

[@DarvakSondrath]

@Sypheara If so, as it surely is, than I am deeply mistaken, pardon my ignorance

[@Doctor_Mobius]

@Azurel777 Thought speed was the most efficient way to go about all forms of fighting. Of course not only that.

[@naqdensjam]

@KendoWorld Thanks!

[@HHagogo]

is there a style based on the Tanto/Wakizaschi? i kno the daisho is katan/wakizashi but conceivably wouldn't that combo (Tanto/Wakizashi) work indoors better? or would you only use a wakizashi inside?

[@ContradictoryNature]

Perhaps six hours ago it said "oriental" but it doesn't now, and I doubt that it did because you'll notice that European martial arts are referenced multiple times in the wikipedia article.

[@alteye1]

Wonderful technique!

[@ANDREAILB]

Why does the sensei on the right always attack in hasso-no-kamae?

[@mikeymarshful]

i know this is a weird question to ask here, but is there any ryuha that teaches 2 sword style with both daitos? I'm just curious

[@TheLastHylianTitan]

anyone here know where i can learn more about kenjutsu? or swordfighting in general?

[@rottunpunk]

heyo would you mind if i put a link to this on our dojo website? cheers in advance debz

[@kiritsuna]

If one sword gives has a power of 100, two swords have a power of 200. Easy as that, I think this is my fav style

[@Yakzur]

Actually, the definition of martial arts is quite different. The martial arts are codified systems of combat practice done for a variety of reasons. The term is actually European and was first used to describe European fighting arts in the 16th century.

[@yudansh]

jutsu means "technique" or "art", so kenjutsu = art of sword

[@jisoenman]

Because there are no Jodan Kamae All cuts from whatever kamae center before reaching the opponent.

[@Doctor_Mobius]

Is it normally this slow?

[@KendoWorld]

@naqdensjam I loosely translate it to technique, ie kenjutsu = sword technique. Taylor

[@GriefOfShadow]

ok well i just looked on the wikipedia definition and it says "The martial arts are codified systems and traditions of oriental combat practices, which are practiced for a variety of reasons: self-defense, competition, physical health and fitness, as well as mental, physical, and spiritual development."

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

@Kunstdesfechtens FWIW, I like how you mention "going after the sword rather than the person". The medieval German manuals I study say the same thing: "Do not strike to the sword; instead go for the Blossen (openings)" -H.S. 3227a, ca. 1389.

[@k00lkane]

This is kata right?

[@Darren_Tay]

It's a damn shame, that the school would succumb to politics just like many other schools. This "Main branch" split from the other more recognized "Main branch". And it's a bigger shame that their headmaster would change the kata for no practical combat reason other than what he claims to be easier to teach. So much for keeping Musashi's school alive. Once again, people flush down important historical and cultural arts for politics. Gotta love humans. Musashi fanboys crying. :)

[@liveware3926]

Sorry, your language is a bit unclear. The one in the video appears to be Iwami-soke, who belongs to the "main" branch, but it is inappropriate to say they "split" from the "other main" when it is the "other main" (Gosho-ha) that "split" from them. The contention I think you are referring to is that Iwami-soke's predecessor, Imai-soke, modified and create kata for modern didatic reasons. To my knowledge the two branches have since reintegrated years ago. Or perhaps you are referring to one of the other branches/schisms that has cropped up since the 20th century?

[@Darren_Tay]

What's unclear? You seemed to be understanding it well. People from the Iwami side are gonna claim main branch while students from the Kiyonaga side claim the same thing. From an outsiders point of view, they are both main branches split from politics. As far as I know it they haven't merged. I think you're referring to Yoshimochi Kiyoshi Soke merging the lines of 2 families. He is the son of Gosho Motoharu who taught Imai soke and also the recognized soke of the Kiyonaga family designated by Kiyonaga Fumiya Soke. The one who was supposed to succeed Imai Soke, was Kiyonaga Fumiya Soke, but he broke his promise to the Kiyonaga Family and chose Iwami Soke instead. Honestly, their politics is really complicated, you've to go read and do your research. There is the fight about the bokken in the temple and also Imai Soke declaring that there shall be 3 lines, but later claimed by Iwami Soke that Imai Soke retracted this decision. The best part about this was when 2 students, 1 from each side went to war on the forums. I just had to SMH. And let's not forget the 3rd branch in Taiwan which is generally not recognized as the main branch, but they run their own organization the way they see fit. Politics FTW? Btw you do know what didatic reasons are right? You just repeated what I said previously.

[@prabshiro]

It is a damn shame... I practice at one of the branches. Politics indeed.

[@Darren_Tay]

Mr P Which lineage do you belong to?

[@prabshiro]

Soke kajiya takanori

[@MrJezz88]

You appear to have inserted the word oriental in there, although it could just be that wikipedia has been edited since

[@denster7715]

@KendoWorld Ok, thank you.

[@anibalvalenzuelaradefeldt1162]

more impressed about how many spectators are wearing face masks

[@grymdark5439]

Its fairly common to wear a facemask in public in japan. Unlike the western world, they take hygiene seriously.

[@tengu190]

I can see the kendo kata in these.

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

@LotusDragon09 It depends where you train. There are Westerners with Menkyo Kaiden (full transmission) or equivalents in these arts. The race of the person has nothing to do with it. That would be like complaining if a Savate instructor wasn't French.

[@JJtoutcourt]

but what about ninjustsu? that would mean human art? or Am I wrong?

[@rangodeldiablo]

Does anyone know where Niten Ichi-Ryu is?

[@ContradictoryNature]

Ah, the good old "step off your opponent's line to void his attack and then counter." It took me a long time to get rid of that instinct when practising kendo. I miss it.

[@fareastpride94]

personally, I wouldn't x block or x strike like in this style or the italian style of dual sword fighting. the opponent can have more control over you when the two swords are pressed together. but i guess there could be techniques to work around this.

[@maxgunn555]

@Kunstdesfechtens search tenshinryu. he's halfway down from the kenjutsu seach anyway. his 3 part basics of kenjtusu should set u up properly .

[@chucknorrispranks]

@mikeymarshful very unlikely, as people never historically carried two daito. You would carry a daito and a wakizashi and possibly a tanto also.

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

@LotusDragon09 Oh absolutely. However, that situation is common in all martial arts instruction, but in weapons arts in particular. Few people understand armed combat enough to know the "real deal" when they see it and are easily fooled. Yes, real kenjutsu is hard to find. Iaido and Kendo, no problem. (con't)

[@naqdensjam]

Thanks for the info ! :)

[@ChamorruWarrior]

Any Japanese martial art that ends in the word "Jutsu" means that the art was derived from warfare. Jujutsu, KenJutsu, Naginatajutsu were all born out of war. But if there is a "do" like Kendo, Judo etc These are sports and these martial arts were made during times of peace. Kendo is the sport version of Kenjutsu. Judo is the sport version of Jujutsu etc =D

[@denster7715]

This is really cool. Will students of Ninjutsu learn Kenjutsu?

[@naqdensjam]

what does the word jutsu mean? :)

[@miyu_myu21]

I know that im 8 years later but jutsubmean technique

[@FUTAKE28]

Musashi style no ?

[@skinkvader7037]

my only problem is at 3:12 Italian fencing or Spanish would have that guy 5 times over.

[@Darren_Tay]

People often critic kata as though it was a waza (technique), but anyone who does Koryu knows that there is a difference between a kata and a waza. What is shown here is just that, a kata.

[@prabshiro]

Which is a sport indeed.

[@Lithiel]

FINALLY !!!!! I FOUND IT!!!! 2 SWORDS AT ONCE!!!! THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS!!!!! * bows in thanks to you*

[@nicostormUK]

@blackcerberus79 KNOW me? Really? Hardly surprising since I dont really go to lengths to hide, but I think know is a strong word! So because you know Toby outside the dojo, that automatically means that the rest of the people have nothing to offer in terms kenjutsu knowledge?

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

@LotusDragon09 Well, there is a LOT of blade contact in Medieval styles, but it's not pointless "bashing". It's counter-cutting into the opponent. If his sword gets in the way, we get what was called a "bind", usually edge to flat. From there you react to the opponent's pressure (or lack thereof) and use that against him. When the blades are in contact, the better swordsman has the greatest advantage. See here: /watch?v=HC5FIyfI8TA

[@Aulaein]

Interesting how when I watch videos of western instructors teaching Japanese swordsmanship, it reminds me of a Hollywood movie. However, when I see a Japanese instructor teaching swordsmanship, I actually see Japanese swordsmanship. I try not to show disrespect, but it really makes me question the instructor's legitimacy when they do more shouting and sword on sword bashing than what they *should* be doing; cutting down your opponent as quickly as possible. McDojos really really bother me.

[@rangodeldiablo]

Does anyone know where niten ichi ryu is exactly?

[@novicebladesman2835]

The Ronin you can search it up. There are many places. Search up niten institute. That’s the one branch I know of but there might be more.

[@kenninast]

@KendoWorld That is like saying: "kenjutsu is something different than samurai arts". Tōjutsu (older name for kenjutsu) is an important part of ninjutsu.

[@KendoWorld]

@kenninast Hence the use of more ambiguous wording. :)

[@denster7715]

Is this coreographed?

[@marbleofmen]

If you are specially searching to improve your fluidity or just looking for a fluid demonstration, instead of kata demonstrations, you might want to look into works of Nishio Sensei. He practiced Iaido and Aikido (among other martial arts) thus developed an extreme sense of fluidity. /watch?v=CxJjJfiZUaU

[@nicostormUK]

@blackcerberus79 Oh dear, here we go again, Im not going to waste my breath this time, have fun doing it your way, @TheLastHylianTitan, if you are interested in genuine kenjutsu, check out the links I mentioned, have fun all!

[@Aulaein]

@Kunstdesfechtens Wow, so even European swordsmanship discourages sword-sword strikes? Im sure there is some sword-sword contact because the fighting styles are very different, though certainly nowhere near lightsaber-like.I dont want keep blurting out info about European swordsmanship because I know extremely little. But with swordsmanship in general, im glad I have enough talent to figure out what looks real/will work and what doesnt/is just for show. I dont mean that to sound arrogant.

[@sandromartinsgrilo]

a palavra siguinifica 'LUTA, por tanto kenjutsu e LUTA COM ESPADA

[@OldSch00l71]

can be translated into art aswell

[@deadswordsman]

It's not the stuff to learn by video. So many little details there.

[@Azurel777]

@GodMikaboshi it's not about speed

[@ducking928]

I think swordsmanship needs an update. =P Where are the guns? Lol thanks for the upload I learned some things on this. =)

[@Stellarheim]

I have a strange feeling that a skillful guy with a rapier could have taken them all down in an instant.

[@DarvakSondrath]

Of course, I understand I don't know enough to make claims as I have not yet learned that of their skill, yet I cant help but to see this as only a sport.

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

@DarvakSondrath Real kenjutsu is hard to find. Beware of anything that calls itself a "samurai school" or somesuch. A lot of schools don't advertise either... you will often have to make the effort to find them. But there's nothing "magical" about kenjutsu either. You could study Hungarian Military Sabre and learn a lot of the same stuff. Swordsmanship is universal... I study kenjutsu, battojutsu and German longsword... the similarities are very interesting.

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

Good kenjutsu can be hard to find. You are better off finding a _reputable_ sword school of ANY style and train hard. Kendo and Iaido are easy to find in most cities. Classical Fencing or a good European longsword school would be good too. Even Judo would be very helpful. I travelled overseas for kenjutsu training, which many people aren't willing/able to do. If you're serious about it, do your research and you'll find something.

[@Aulaein]

@Kunstdesfechtens Well, thats not entirely what I mean. Here in the US, there are so many bad instructors its not even funny. Either they are teaching you a legitamate style but dont give a crap about your technique, or they read a few books and interprited it really badly. Ive seen videos of intructors basically teaching their students to bash their swords together like lightsabers and to go after the sword rather than the person. Real kenjutsu schools are rare in the US in my experience.

[@denster7715]

@kenninast Good, that was the answer i was looking for.

[@tsuna14100]

its so intense!!!

[@lukass6237]

Jack Fletcher...

[@krekodaktil208]

Lol I thought I'm the only one who ever read that book

[@blacktemplar2207]

Yes!!!! I see you too are a man of culture

[@TheNotoriousDUDE]

Call me an idiot, but the left master's two-sword technique kinda reminded me of Lorenor Zorro ^-^

[@ContradictoryNature]

Sadly, dictionaries are written by people who do not typically know much about martial arts, so I might even say wikipedia is a better source on this; they've got a more exhaustive entry. Martial arts are not region-locked, To be considered a "martial art," one needs proof of a codified system of combat present in history, plenty of nations had this. German swordmasters sometimes referred to their art as "kunst des fechtens." This literally translates to "art of fighting," or, a "martial art."

[@veverel93]

jutsu= art

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

Who the hell clicked the "dislike" button?

[@TheJustproxy]

... Man, i'm gonna try to help you this time. Again, go to wikipedia and search for "martial arts" (Just that, maybe you can do it) and say to me what's written in there.

[@mikeymarshful]

@chucknorrispranks hmm... ok thanks!

[@veverel93]

justu= craft, art

[@PashaDefragzor]

viewers in the white masks on the background looks like ninjas

[@canberkakcal799]

They are trying to learn the samurai secrets to defeat samurais once and for all

[@jackfauen9441]

Keep using it my friend. Kendo has far too many rules for its own good, and if expects to be considered a sword style at all, it had to adapt back to kenjutsu standards, at least keep the points, but do not lose the mindset. And ive asked my friend he says it is not a foul to step left and drop your sword to the right to let the enemy slide down it. So fear not, if you must use a kenjutsu parry to win in kendo do it, remember in sword fighting there are no rules even in kendo.