KennieJD Uncovers Why Sucker Punch Is All Over The Place | In Defense Of Ep. 26

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On the season 2 finale of In Defense Of, Kennie breaks down her thoughts on Zack Snyder's 2011 fantasy action thingamajig known as Sucker Punch. The film features an all-female cast (opposite of Snyder's 300) including Emily Browning, Abbie Cornish, Vanessa Hudgens & Jena Malone. Enjoy the final episode and let us know what you want to see on the next season...
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[@charlieharris4958]

girl im BEGGING you to do a Bad Movies And A Beat on this. the misogyny was 100% the reason it was poorly received, and that was the point! during advertising, it was carefully portrayed as a sexy "girl power" superhero film, specifically to garner the attention of misogynistic fantasy nerds, who were lured in with video game esque fight scenes with hot girls, but met with a literal sucker punch when they instead got a story about fighting a losing war against sexual abuse. theres a REASON you dont see babydoll dance!!! the only autonomy sweetpea has is the way she portrays her life, (both to the audience, and to herself, as shes struggling to come to terms w losing her personhood via lobotomy) so she depicts a caricature of the way her abusers see her- a weak, one dimensional, sexualized young girl: babydoll. she doesnt *let* us see her dance, because the dancing was a metaphor for her being abused by blue, it wasnt consentual, and its not for us to see. this movie is a thinkpiece about sexual objectification, and ppl HATEEEED it.

[@cam4636]

Adding misogyny isn't the same as making commentary on misogyny.

[@CamReeds]

Wow what a misunderstanding of the film

[@aenwynn950]

The advertising issue reminds me of the Jennifer's Body situation.

[@sae200502167]

That's 100% how I see it too. I think people never went beyond the visuals because the plot didn't blare the message into their ears.

[@catherineroberts845]

I too would love a bad movies and a beat on this, if only because I actually kind of liked the movie.

[@asarishepard8171]

its like a moving manga. some of it works, but the narrative needed alot of work.

[@Monochrome_11]

Like "Sin City"?

[@jaguarking2892]

@@Monochrome_11 it really didn't. the narrative was pretty simple and got a good book end too

[@babyanie4673]

That's because it was stolen work. I was in the hospital with the man who originally created the concept for suckerpunch as well as drew the characters.

[@Monie71793]

💯🥰

[@jaelrj2551]

I think the brothel aspect might be because of the frequency with which women patients are sexually abused or have to navigate being assaulted and sexualized when in long term treatment facilities. Just a thought

[@ML-ic7yu]

"I like to see hot women do hot women shit" is the most concise phrase to defend some of my favorite movies (including this one!). It shall be added to my repertoire, thank you.

[@verda_renee]

I liked SuckerPunch a lot! I actually remember renting it from RedBox (those were the days lol) The action scenes are fun and exciting, it's visually stunning, and the story is extremely deep and layered. Basically, my idea of a good time. The movie is a literal representation of escapism as a coping mechanism to extreme abuse. Just as the dancing in the brothel fantasy is how the girls survive, the fantasies themselves are how the girls survive the actual abuse they're experiencing in the real world from the men in the hospital/in their lives. It's one of those movies that, along the way at times it's like "ummmmm..." but by the time it ends you're like "ohhhhhhhh". I give it a strong 3.7 out of 5 stars.

[@XxMaddieCat]

Suckerpunch has a very special place in my heart, I first saw it when I was a young teen and loved the badassery and femme fatale of it all. I'm really glad you said set my girl free, she is innocent!

[@mori5271]

Same😭

[@bhill2870]

I was a 13 year old boy and I liked it then and still like it today.

[@alessandrajackson3768]

I have such a love hate relationship with this movie. It highlights escapism and empowerment of women who have been exploited and want to get out! But it also highlights a lot of sexual abuse, and I feel like they could have made it a little less glamorous

[@jupitermelichios392]

While I do agree, I'm always prepared to give the costumes a bit of a pass because a) all of the costumes are modified dance clothes, which is a really clever touch, and b) they're actually wearing flats! (which, for all his faults, is something that's fairly consistent in Snyder movies)

[@lilithium3940]

It's very telling that the only sexual scene the producers demanded be removed was also the only one that could have been considered consensual (you would only know what I'm referring to if you've watched the extended cut)

[@alessandrajackson3768]

@@lilithium3940 yep!!!

[@bethanychatman9531]

@@jupitermelichios392 I don't think anyone truly has a problem with the costumes, but sexual abuse and assault. Zack Snyder seems to really glorify rape in a lot of his films almost like he's okay with it. And I say this because most of the time it's loving filmed and never spoken about in the narrative how it's wrong.

[@anticocomilk]

@@lilithium3940 Yeah I hated that scene. I didn't fully understand what that was when I watched it as a child, but I always preferred the theatrical cut over the director's because they kept the musical performance at the credits instead of in the middle (?) of the movie. I was never a fan of how we see the same performance twice.

[@jaguarking2892]

This movie is an existentialist masterpiece and Emily Browning delivered a great performance

[@Justitia_Nomen]

This movie came out when I was in college getting my degree in psychology. The fantasy visuals were amazing to me, they’re all mental patients now. I just thought these were fancies of coping mechanisms. Or what children do if they’re playing in the playground. They pretend to be superheroes or powerful. I enjoyed it personally

[@ashleygolden1994]

I love Sucker Punch! I remember being a kid and not knowing what I was getting into cause even the trailers at that time didn't show everything! But I remember being so engrossed and trying to find out what the different things in the movie meant. Also for a second viewing, I would watch the deleted scenes. There's two scenes that I believe makes the movie a bit more smoother for interpretation, and they probably deleted it to make the run time shorter.

[@jupitermelichios392]

I remember the trailers and marketting for this movie being so weird and not at all representative, and I do get it, it's a /hard/ movie to advertise, but they really did the film dirty

[@ashleygolden1994]

@@jupitermelichios392 agreed

[@lilithium3940]

@@jupitermelichios392 from interviews, it seems the bad marketing was purposeful but still badly carried out. The title says it all: the movie was supposed to be a suckerpunch to those who were going to watch the hypersexualization of traumatized girls for 2 hours. The scene in the beginning with sweetpea decrying the sexualization of a lobotomy spells it out a bit more obviously, right there in the beginning

[@SlavaZone]

Yeah I have the DVD that has the theatrical version and the extended version that includes the deleted scenes. It's good to be able to see both! :)

[@mori5271]

The deleted scene where the Highroller groomes her was so cringy...horrendous, glad it was cut out

[@lusandantintili8668]

Agreed, there's so much more to read into but I've hardly seen discourse about it - meanwhile if Christopher Nolan did something Russian Doll-esque with a male lead, it would have sooooo many theories and "did you catch these easter eggs?" discussions around it. I saw a comment on another Sucker Punch video (I had to go DIGGING to find other videos on it) where they interpreted it as an abstract/emotive portrayal of trauma and DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder), and how it's common for people with DID to have encountered intense trauma at a very young age. And theoretically, if the trauma is ongoing while the child's brain is still developing, their brain would learn to protect itself from intense danger that they can't cope with by "splitting" into different alters to handle some things, and forget or "shut off" memories of the danger to shelter the other alters in the system. The other commenter's theory was that Sweetpea and Babydoll are the same person. Sweetpea was actually the main host identity the entire time (that's why the story is revealed to be about her), and Baby Doll was actually the "protector" alter that would take over when Sweetpea was being assaulted, and that's why we see Babydoll fighting throughout and & even at the beginning, trying to protect her sister. The same sister that Sweetpea felt guilty for leaving behind is the sister she (as Baby Doll) accidentally killed but couldn't cope with that trauma either. I can't remember more details about which characters (out of the other dancers/fighters) were alters and what they represented, and it still gets sticky in trying to figure what's real, and I think that's what makes it feel a little messy to follow at times. Like if they were actually being assaulted in the mental institution, it would make sense to disassociate in those instances and escape through the fantasy world, where their sexuality is their only weapon for evading danger/escape, and the deeper world where they are fighting for their lives but being badasses while doing it, which is certainly easier to digest than the image and memory of repeated sexual/physical assault. But there's still so many layers, like if they were lobotomized, does that mean the ending with Sweetpea catching the bus and escaping is also metaphorical???? And just a cope for her character's otherwise intensely depressing ending??? Like there could be soooooo many interesting perspectives and hot takes and I love things that are open to interpretation like that, _specifically_ to see the variety of takes different people get out of it, but it didn't get that chance I guess, because it was way ahead of its time, and women led stories "couldn't" have nuance or layers or whatever 🙄 Deadass, Mr Robot (spoilers) explores similar themes of trauma and disassociation through an unreliable narrator and worlds within worlds that make you doubt reality - granted, it's still fairly underrated, but definitely gets more fan service than Sucker Punch, and I think gender is a part of that.

[@jupitermelichios392]

I've seen a theory that it's a criticism of the failures of third wave feminism, and that's why the poc characters are the first to be caught, because it's about how the feminist movement in the 80s threw women of colour under the bus. And like, I don't think that was Snyder's intention, but the fact that you can make a pretty well supported arguement in favour of that theory is wild

[@Cnichal]

Right! Mary Sues are bad. But not a Jack of all Trades. 🫠

[@tayosphere]

Christopher Nolan did. "Inception"

[@BlackQueenA1825]

@lusanda ntintili - This is all really interesting. Now, I have to watch the movie again. Do you remember a title of the video or the channel that you were watching that discussed their theories about it? I would really love to watch it.

[@meinenklinke]

@@tayosphere Omg you’re totally right.

[@StarCatAxel]

So as a fan of the movie, I got so upset after watching the extend version cuz.. they cut so many chunks that actually do so much framing for the 3 layers of this story. And without them, it’s a bit of a whiplash between the layers. As well as lends itself to the theme of.. people might want to control and dictate your body, but they can’t dictate your mind and soul. I.e. the scene with the high roller that was cut and him wanting her consent. Which was actually just her choosing she wanted the lobotomy. why Blue was so upset when he wanted to assault Baby, cuz of her being catatonic and her “not being there anymore”. Your mind being the ultimate weapon against a world of adversity that may want to predate and harm you. And as someone who disassociates as a daily coping mechanism, it has a place in my heart for that message.

[@rhiannajd4412]

I love how campy Sucker Punch is. It one of my go to comfort movies besides Underworld

[@anticocomilk]

Comfort movie? It's so dang sad though. /nm

[@rhiannajd4412]

@@anticocomilk it’s incredibly sad but the tone is just what I like. There’s something ethereal about it.

[@Monie71793]

💯🥰

[@MysticMayne]

Ethereal is the perfect way to describe this art, especially on a IMAX screen when it came out.

[@sydneyagnew8748]

I really hope one day you can find and watch the R-rated extended cut!! It really adds a lot of context to the Doctor/Highroller and adds yet ANOTHER layer to the escapism Babydoll is trying to chase. It also puts the “Love is the Drug” sequence in the brothel world as Babydoll’s introduction to how Blue runs the place. That version has seriously cemented Sucker Punch as one of my favorite movies. Gotta love how the mere mention of female pleasure gave the movie its initial R-rating but all the fantasy hyper violence kept it at a PG-13 🤔

[@hopeallenart]

Just like so many other people in these comments, I loved the movie when it first came out. I have watched it so many times since and still love it. I definitely think you begin to understand it more, the more you watch it. It definitely gives off a sort of Inception vibe. Also I think if you watch it again keeping in mind that it’s Sweet Pea’s pov and she’s telling a story about her daring escape from a mental asylum (and maybe even her escapism “issue”) it makes a bit more sense.

[@lindseymick3843]

I guess I just always wondered that Babydoll was actually doing while "dancing". I get the girls were insane and being likely SA'ed but the dance instructor aka the therapist seemed to encourage Babydoll's dancing and if that mirrors the real world that means she was encouraging whatever she was doing distracting the guards/cook/etc. I use to think she was seizing or having a meltdown but I don't know anymore.

[@SlavaZone]

The movie is set in a time where fathers and husbands could just claim that the girls/women in their lives were "crazy," and they would be thrown into an institution. I would doubt if any of them were actually needing to be there, considering they were all around the same age. Probably all "trouble children" that were growing up to be young independent women, not just dolls that did exactly what their parents or spouses wanted. 😔

[@Monie71793]

@@SlavaZone 💯💔

[@RimaAravisia]

I read an explanation of the ending once that said Babydoll saving Sweetpea was reflecting Babydoll's inability to save her own sister at the beginning. And that the different "worlds" were how the different girls escaped what was happening to them

[@favbubblegirl]

I loved this movie when I saw it in ~2012 on TV. During the height of the "not like other girls era" it was so nice to see a group of ultra feminine female leads that weren't in cartoon or anime form (nothing wrong with that btw). I feel like if this were made today, the girls would be villianized by many for using the only thing they have of value (their sexuality) to survive. Once female sexuality is used as a tool by the oppressed it may be seen as bad representation because her triumphs aren't earned the way a man would, so it's invalid. I also like that sex workers have more positive representation in this, from what I remember. I dont see any comic movies doing this since, femininity is still seen as inherently weak and nobody but the girls and gays understand camp (despite comics being campy in themselves).

[@quellebeaute1]

I also enjoyed Sucker Punch. The story was surprisingly complex Edit: also I say ack-co-lade but people always say it sounds funny, so who knows. Say it how you want 😂

[@blueismylove3128]

@@payasoartwork5906 Agreed

[@rubiscastro1953]

I think you read the room right as far as it being dismissed as messy because it was rooted in the feminine because Inception has similar layering and it’s much more highly regarded.

[@RenaDeles]

But inception isn't a mess plot wise 😂 it's tight in it's nested nature, where this is a mess.

[@discosage]

Some people also weren't fans of the pretentious heist movie filmed like a luxury watch commercial. They can both be bad lol

[@mkwhite5054]

@@RenaDeles this isn’t exactly a mess plot wise like… yes it’s more heavy on the symbolism but it’s literally a girl whose a mental patient has delusional episodes where she escapes the continual abuse and harm of her real world life.

[@thembashawn]

​@@discosage omg yes 😂 you put into words what I felt about inception

[@Foxofthecloud]

I fell in love with this movie as soon as I saw it. Lls convinced my dad to take me to the movie theater to watch it. I remember leaving the theater and hearing this old lady go "nnn her ass shouldn't have snitched"

[@Monie71793]

💯🤣🤣

[@MysticMayne]

Blondie did screw up 😂

[@kaliyuck]

I feel like Inception could be a perfect example of what Kendall describes at 23:28, like everyone always talks about how “deep” that movie is and they’re super similar in structure

[@nash6472]

I miss more butter please come back!

[@oogatz1917]

Why did they stop?

[@DearxMyxSongs]

It definitely gets better upon a second viewing, mostly because you’ve got an idea of what you’re going into and there’s plenty of depths to plumb themes and meanings from. I feel like it definitely suffered from badly done publicity, similar to Jennifer’s Body, where they just didn’t market it to the right demo. I also appreciated that while the girls do wear feminine and what could be called revealing outfits (that sparkly number at the end, LOVE that!) Snyder purposefully shoots them in superhero angles and not objectifying, similar to how Birds of Prey does. There’s a lot of commentary on nerd culture that I’ve seen backlash from the nerd community. But I think it’s really interesting that this is a big name cast (Oscar Isaac, Jon Hamm, Emily Browning, Vanessa Hudgens, Jenna Malone) with a massive budget and amazing crew (Tyler Bates, Damon Caro, Rick Carter, Larry Fong) and it was kind of this subversive little pet project. There’s something about it that feels very intimate and indie (even with all the studio meddling), even though it’s definitely got major superhero sequences. I remember seeing the poster and thinking, “oh that looks fun!” but then seeing and hearing friends (male) and critics rip it to shreds… I wish I’d gone to see it anyway because it would’ve been so fun to see on a big screen. Absolutely would’ve cosplayed as Babydoll for Halloween!

[@jupitermelichios392]

Jennifer's Body is such a good comparison. I remember going to a comicon right before this released and seeing trailers and adverts and thinking 'wow this looks like something i'd hate' because of how hard they were pushing the cheesecake look how sexy everyone is angle. Finally actually saw it a couple of years later and it turns out it's one of my favourite movies ever. Meanwhile everyone who went to see it thinking it would be a sexploitation movie and then gets the moment then Sweetpea looks directly at the camera and tells the audience they're monsters if they think this is sexy, and came out saying it was the worst movie ever, lmao

[@DearxMyxSongs]

@@jupitermelichios392 exactly! Studios see “sexy” and think, “exploitation and male audiences, let’s go!” And the whole film is a commentary on that. Like you can dress your actors in sexy clothes and not have the camera just leer at them. My favorite shot is in one of the earlier fantasy fight sequences, babydoll is in one of the sexy fight outfits, lands in that superhero kneeling poses and the camera pans up conveying strength, it’s the same shot you see for Superman, Ironman, and that was the moment I thought, “omg, this is so badass! She’s hyper femme but still so powerful, excellent!”

[@mori5271]

I mean I always see men critiquing this movie and women usually liking it💀

[@MysticMayne]

Best Sucker Punch comment i’ve seen in years, thanks.

[@najee8242]

Yay one of my favorite movies 🥳 did a whole college presentation on it for my oral class despite it having an insane plot line explanation and wardrobe theme 💀 the more you accept what the film is trying to say, the more poignant it feels. Love your channel! ❤️

[@breadwithdog1086]

I heard that originally this movie was written with the intent of a woman taking back her sexuality after being SAed but the movie producers hate women and wanted a more sexualized action flick and ripped it apart in editing

[@RosieVintage]

Omg I LOVED this movie. The soundtrack was on point too

[@KekiaskiHatake]

Bring back more butter for another sesson 🧈 😩

[@cristenkray5192]

Kennie, you ABSOLUTE GODDESS omg I’ve been waiting for you to talk about this movie in any length for years now! Seeing your face on my timeline never fails to instantly raise my serotonin levels 🥰

[@Cnichal]

This movie feels like a story from one of my maladaptive daydreams

[@alexanderdavidd]

OH MY GOD! FINALLY! Sucker Punch is one of my all time favorites i clicked so gd fast!

[@euthanizemyself6972]

I’m from a small town Indiana, population 2000. When this movie came out on my birthday, the hype I had built was monumental. I was wearing shirts I made & bought at hottopic to celebrate the release date of Sucker Punch. I brought a bunch of very hesitant gf’s to see the movie, but by the end of the movie we were all cheering for Babydoll!!! I love this movie, such sweet young memories attached to this film.

[@zinaak4194]

I LOVED this movie when it came out, and was a fan of it for years, but after being made fun of for it I kind of assumed it was my bad and that I simply had bad taste. I'm so happy to see it being defended again and am enjoying diving back into it and it's story so much. Really reminds me of what happened with Jennifer's Body.

[@strawberrylime33]

So good to see KennieJD after a long stressful day! Thanks for letting us submit what we'd like to see next season 😃😄😁 *Just My Luck (2006) *Allied (2016) *Prom (2011)

[@siddiqsmouse5004]

I THOUGHT IT WAS ERASED FROM HUMAN HISTROY BECAUSE NO ONE I KNOW REMEMBERS JUST MY LUCK EXCEPT ME!! I THOUGHT IT WAS A FEVER DREAM I HAD FOR 3 YEARS!!

[@nekomimianimelover]

oh my GOD so while I did like the movie it has to be said my mom and I went to see it when I was like, 10. We didn't know, we just didn't know. She thought it would be like a superhero movie and instead I spent half the movie sobbing and I still remember it viscerally to this day. But I mean, at least I liked it even if it probably traumatized me. Also I had no problem understanding the movie??? Like I guess I can understand the qualms people have with the movie but it RADICALIZED me I was pissed at how they were treated in the movie and what they had to do to escape and I was crying because I wanted them to escape together, so I guess, from the perspective of ten year old me, the movie was a very badass tragedy. Like, is this how people are supposed to feel when they see Hamlet performed?

[@NickaLah]

I'll hope y'all come back around to this channel, I loved the different format

[@jillchinnt]

Sucker Punch is such an iconic movie. 17 year old me was living for it. If it came out nowadays, it would do so much better imo. People would understand the intricacies of the movie more instead of just "hot girls kicking ass"

[@octopiedinoraptor327]

I think the problem is any action or thriller with females is always dubbed as "over something". Whether it's over sexual, over campy, overly non sexual, etc. You can't win. Because realistically most action movies have the same sort of plots, they aren't special or particularly well acted. Sucker Punch is entertaining, visual pretty, and overall maybe a bit try hard in some of what it was trying to do and most importantly fun! You can speculate and make theories or just enjoy the chaos and either style of viewing is enjoyable!

[@stares_mthrfckrly]

This movie is one of my guilty pleasures that I’m not ashamed of. It didn’t reach its full potential, but watching it over and over (because I genuinely love this movie even with its flaws), I put the pieces together and I grew to love it as it was.

[@rachelm2657]

I think sucker punch was handicapped by it's marketing. It was marketed as fantasy but I would argue male fantasy. I think when watching it I think there was too many pats on the back for it being about women. I think it was riding the pretentious sin city visuals. I liked it but I thought it lacked the deep dive into characters or consepts. It could have been inception meets, video games, and comic book movies and it fell short.

[@RimaAravisia]

THIS! MOVIE!! I have said for years that I want it to be remade with female writers and director etc or just. Tell the story from the female perspective because it's themes are so intrinsically feminine

[@justin188541]

What would seriously be any different 🤔 Worth noting: women have no real empathy, hence the constant writer / director self - inserts because they can't imagine a character in a story that is not them. See also: Kathleen Kennedy.

[@MRS-pz4me]

Honestly I love Sucker Punch, is one of my favorite movies! I mean it has this "manga-ish " vibes but well compensated with the story and use of narrative. The fantasy aspect is of great importance in the movie plot since the main protagonist enters into this "fantasy mental state" in order to cope with the terrible moments of abuse that she and her friends suffered inside the corrupted facility, specially the horrors of sex trafficking and to control the fear in order to find the courage to complete the "missions" on their plan against the human trafficking criminal organization disguised as a social systematic legal institution. I don't see it as a super hero movie but more like sad tragedy and psychological thriller with epic fantasy actions scenes that increase accordingly to the risks for each of the "normal" objectives that they needed to achieved because of the environmental context and the circumstances at which the main protagonists were while maintaining the right situational awareness to succeed in their final goal, which consisted in at least one of them to escape the facility and against all odds, bring that criminal organization down by exposing the reality behind the mental institution to the public and the authorities, specially during the period of time in which the movie plot seems to be based. ( late 40's or 50's)

[@emmettvictor]

Is more butter done? Is it coming back???

[@KekiaskiHatake]

Ik cause they didn't say this time that they were fishing up this season or not so I'm as confused as you are

[@RosalinaRobertson]

Yes! About time she covered this movie. It confused the crap out of me with the ending. Edit: I didn’t know zack synder did this movie , just looked this up.

[@beckaroberts5730]

I honestly didn’t want to hear a male’s point of view 😅😅

[@Monie71793]

Didn't know he did it, either. 😳🤣

[@Thaiz_]

I have to admit it: this is one of my top 5 favourite movies ever, specially after I watched the director's cut 😭💖

[@gnomes3585]

i kinda feel like everything being all over the place was to empathise the craziness, since they’re in a “looney ward”. The fantasies were all over the place and that was in her head…so would that mean her head is all over the place? her mind? she’s going crazy in there and then a lobotomy to finish it all off as “the end”. This all could be like that on purpose or maybe i’m thinking into it too much😭😭

[@JNDReacts]

Oh no! Is this the end of “alcolades”? Maybe you and your friends can start a show called Alcolades, where you praise your favorite types of alcohol.

[@merik14]

what happened to this podcast?? is it dead?

[@JetAdvin]

I love Sucker Punch! Although confusing on the surface, the music was 🔥 and the story had a much deeper and profound meaning. If you know, you know. I had to watch it 50 times over to get the subtle things.

[@lizabee484]

🎉WOO HOO SEASON FINALE!!!🎉 Congrats Kennie and the whole More Butter team on a fabulous season 2, y’all deserve ALL the props ❤

[@AshkinsCurls]

Went to my first Comicon this year and feel 100% the same way - fun to see a lot of stuff I like all in one place (got to meet the voices of Max and Goofy from "A Goofy Movie", one of my all-time FAVES) but all those damn people made my anxiety spike the whole time 😩

[@s-wo8781]

Y'all are saying Comic Con but which one?

[@foxesofautumn]

The thing about this that didn't work for me was the fakeout about who the main character was. You spend the whole movie following Babydoll and being invested in her story and then, at the end, it goes ACTUALLY IT'S SWEETPEA'S STORY but it wasn't set up well and it left me feeling a little cold. Tragic endings can be satisfying I don't think this one was.

[@cheyennepredium9860]

I enjoyed Sucker Punch, like my sister loved it and we always watched it. But I definitely get why people didn't like it, yet its nostalgic for me 😆.

[@dramonmaster222]

Congratulations on Season 2! Here's looking forward to another season.

[@noreehix5714]

Zack Snyder unintentionally told a deep story and didn't even know it, that's what fascinates me about this film. Also the soundtrack slaps!!!

[@kalystagutierrez1607]

It wasn't unintentional, he specifically made this movie for his daughter and had his wife, and the female cast, have a lot of input in the movie.

[@tacocattacocat7382]

Wait what happened to this channel?

[@JNDReacts]

Not sure if this would fit better here or Bad Movies and a Beat, but I would LOVE to hear Kennie’s thoughts on Fantastic Beasts: Crimes of Grindelwald. It was truly terrible in so many ways.

[@pandakissy]

Watched this in Cinema when it first came out (my best friend and I were not prepared for the journey ) it was so good to me but there were characters I felt lacked something... the pain we felt when we got to see the real world she was in...ooo. I 100% wanted every single trash people involved to experience a living hell from which they could not escape. the ending didn't exactly give me that...

[@daxk9160]

I wish more people understood that baby doll was not the main character. That would pretty quickly fix a lot of criticisms I’ve heard. Sweet Pea is the main character and all of the girls are parts of her psyche trying to overcome her life and trauma. Idk I just think people look way too much at the visually enticing surface and then refuse to look deeper because that would require actual thought. The movie isn’t perfect but it isn’t as bad as some might suggest. I enjoyed it for its exploration of trauma and healing/coping. 7/10 for me. Nice video!

[@daxk9160]

Also if there’s one thing I know about Zack Snyder’s film making, is that he is a stickler for details. If something is in his film, it’s for a reason and he wants you to look at it with a critical eye. Just his style of art.

[@gostavoadolfos2023]

The best thing about that movie was a song by Oscar Isaac named love is the drug, which was removed from the movie. Luckily it is on YT

[@chestertheblack]

This was my comfort movie so it goes without saying it's my favorite movie of all time. Strong opinion but it's one of the first movies I felt I related too.

[@ourabouras]

Yeah no. The main problem with this movie wasn’t that it was super trippy and convoluted (although that didn’t help anything), it was the logical conclusion of what was actually going on in the asylum, and Zack Snyder’s declaration that it was a female empowerment film. Side note: Maggie Mae Fish did a really enlightening deep dive on Zack Snyder and his Ayn Randian Libertarian views that’s worth a watch. Anyways I remember the trailer for this coming out on Apple Trailers (yes I’m old) and was pretty hyped for it. I loved comic books and manga, and it looked like a female lead fantasy adventure that would make popcorn taste better, so I was here for it. After having seeing the production I do believe it deserved all of its awards and ack-co-lades. The fight choreography, cinematography, and visual effects were all on point, but the actual film that was written by Zack Snyder and another white dude, directed by Zack Snyder, and produced by Zack Snyder, his wife, and 8 other white dudes has nothing to do with female empowerment. A big distinction between my take and yours, Kennie, is our definition of sex worker. These girls were locked up against their will and forced into sexual acts whether they were willing or not. So even if they’ve made the decision to just get it over with they truly lack the freedom to choose what to do with their bodies. And then on top of that their shared fantasy of liberation resembles typical male sex fantasies. Four conventionally attractive, coquettish, predominantly white women running around in all the cultural appropriation fantasizing about big guns and samurai zombies as they are being repeatedly raped. Hard pass. ( I was seriously confused what Baby Dolls big act was since her virginity was being sold, but my guy friends say she was still being sodymized (?) or just giving really amazing head as her big talent🤢)

[@jm4050]

I also remember hearing the theory of the story actually being an illustrated fantasy of Sweet Pea's Post-Lobotomy, but it makes complete sense. Not only are both Sweet Pea and Baby Doll parallelled to one another in a variety of ways, like both of their sisters dying, both having scenes of sitting lonely on the bed, and Sweet Pea's act on the lobotomy table transitioning from Baby Dolls near the beginning of the movie, but the movie transitioning from Baby Doll to Sweet Pea makes the theory seem probable.

[@BlackLasher]

The movie is a mediation on coping mechanisms as internalized misogyny while acting as a social commentary on objectification in gaming and portrayals of women in Asian culture (baby dolls in sailor schoolgirl outfits). The coping mechanism of fantasy allows escapism from the women's battered and abused existence in a mental institution whilst subverting audience expectation by never showing sex, never showing sexy or burlesque style dancing, and indulging in bold gaming action porn. Interesting how this film came out a few years before Gamer Gate, n'est pas?

[@faithfullkadan2969]

Sweet pea creates baby doll as a savior personality. The sister who dies on the beginning is actually rocket. An analysis video really helped to understand the movie better, especially now that I'm a little older lol.

[@melaniesheldon8013]

I love you and your reviews ❤thank you 😊

[@lala2686]

it’s like inception- a dream within a dream. why was it so hard for people to get that? i guess because that idea wasnt explained in the beginning to prepare you. however, it wasn’t difficult for me to understand that at the first viewing. anyway, i had an mk ultra phase at that time so i was very drawn to this movie, not only for the fantasy sequences, but also because of the underlying messages that were not thaaat hidden. i guess it’s not a movie for everyone, and i get that, but i really enjoyed the movie and continue to do

[@neongoatguts]

THE WAY I RAN HERE.

[@SanktaLo]

it reminds me of a short story collection with an overarching thread. and yah, related short stories aren’t gonna be everyone’s cup of tea. i’m actually hella interested in watching this now ty (also, i saw “accolades” 🤷🏻‍♀️)

[@anticocomilk]

I adored this film as a child, even though I had no clue what was happening. I really liked the fantasy(?) scenes and I remember being sad when they had to sacrifice the baby dragon for their mission. We own the director's cut where they include that one scene where we see what Babydoll's final fantasy(?) was before being lobotomized. The one where the guy performing the lobotomy kinda seduces her. The scene after definitely wasn't, but it was portrayed as messed up as it should. I remember Sweet Pea and Rocket being my favorite characters. The movie's pretty sad and messed up and it impacted my childhood so much. Edit: ALSO THE SOUNDTRACK MADE MY SCENEKID WANNABE YOUNGER SELF SO HAPPY Edit 2: I'm rewatching clips now, I love this movie Edit 3: Oscar Isaac being cast as Poe messed with my head because Sucker Punch was the first movie I watched him in and he was a pretty messed up character. He sure can sing though.

[@mndrew1]

This was, if I recall, a Redbox rental for me. :) My impression is a Hollywood dinner party got real drunk out and someone dared the room to take a skinamax script and make a legit movie out of it. They did a pretty good job of it too.

[@sopranophantomista]

If there's anything that I can give Snyder props for, it's that his films of this era is that they're just really visually stunning. If I wanna watch something that's a visual treat, I throw on Watchmen, or Sucker Punch, or 300. I personally enjoyed it way more than I thought I would. I was dragged along by a friend who had already seen it and we got out of the theatre going, "So, not bad, right?" I'm like, "yeah, not bad." It's not bad. It's not great, but it's not bad. There's a lot of good material in Sucker Punch that with the right workshopping and direction, it could have been a wonderful treat of a movie.

[@Lady-Bug3]

As a person with half my family from Michigan I can attest that they all pronounce certain words a certain way. I am glad it’s just a regional thing. Each state does stuff like that.

[@aliensgoesrawr]

I went to a comic convention when I was 16 and won the theater banner (the banner they hang from the ceiling) for this movie. Still have it, 11 years later and plan to hang it in my house. My guilty pleasure movie and I stand behind it's ✨️bizarre brilliance✨️

[@jazzy2093]

I been waiting for you to do this one.

[@lilithium3940]

AAAA so hyped for this. I will forever be fiendishly consuming stray suckerpunch content until Snyder releases the full cut and the sun implodes

[@fiig5196]

Y’all remember those internet stories that were like “ Rugrats is secretly about Angelica in a coma and Tommy is her younger brother that died and the kids playing are all her hallucinations from drugs !” This is what Sucker Punch reminds me of. And just like I hate those, I hated this movie too.

[@odakotarose]

y'all really gotta stop making her say the butter your popcorn thing i think we all lose a year of life every time lmao

[@Zyxie_Zyxie_Zyxie]

Ooo Kennie should cover one of the valley of the dolls movies! I don’t care if it’s here or on bad movies and a beat it’ll fit on both

[@prettynpetty8342]

I remember seeing this movie in a theatre with my friend and we were the only HS girls in there with a few 20-30 year old guys. We were obsessed. Still one of my favorite movies and the soundtrack is 🔥🔥🔥.

[@2501vai]

I've never known what to think of this movie conceptually but I find it entertaining in its own weird way. I always admire when a big(ish) budget movie has the balls to be a little out of the ordinary and/or "weird". The filmmakers stuck to their guns despite most likely being aware that they were working on something that probably wasn't all that "accessible" and therefore was quite a risk. It makes me believe that there was real passion there 😌

[@lichitasalchicha9069]

I remember randomly watching this on Netflix, I walked away from the movie with a headache and a lot of questions

[@Corvidae-xp8uz]

I loved it and it really lived up to it's name, because I did not expect the story be what it was!

[@purplenurple6278]

It felt like there was pieces like scenes of the movie missing that's the only reason I couldn't get into. But the concept was really cool

[@jarrellsanchez348]

Glad I'm not the only one that really really likes this movie.

[@MoreButter]

We LOVED it too!

[@roselover411]

I saw this the year it released with a cousin when I was 16. I was very confused but it was a spectacle and that's what I remember more than anything else.

[@oliversedgwick7236]

I'm so happy to see you talk about this one! This film got me into makeup, so it holds a special place for me as I wouldn't be who I am today without it. It's a mess, but visually great, the soundtrack slaps, and I enjoy the concept.

[@MoreButter]

It's so good!

[@Rikki1616161616]

I've seen Sucker Punch years ago and I liked it, or maybe I liked cute girls being badass??? I didn't understand the plot, only recently saw a review that explains it. And now I want to rewatch it

[@KiraBKADestroyerOfWorlds]

Wait...no lead-in for the sponsor ad? I really enjoy those!! Also, have you never READ the word accolade, so you didn't know there was no "L" in the first syllable?🤔

[@VincentMariethe4th]

I try not to get angry at movies anymore, but that ending just pisses me the f off. Maybe cuz the movie bills itself so much as a female power fantasy & our poster girl gets her brains poked out without even entertaining the idea of fighting back. Even if she didn’t survive it would've been satisfying to see her go out swinging or poke the surgeon's eye out with his own instrument. But I think it’s more so that the topic of institutionalized abuse, both in the asylum & the brothel where the women are held prisoner, is not something to be taken lightly & it was not handled well here. (I feel like maybe if it were written & directed by a woman it would be a less frustrating watch.)

[@meinenklinke]

This is one of my favorite movies. I am about 10 seconds into the video, but have you seen the deleted scene with John Hamm? I see why they cut it for pacing, but it’s so good.

[@ilisafonua2798]

Yay! I was actually watching this movie and hoping you would cover it. I feel so validated 😍

[@personalglow]

I absolutely love this movie. Saw it at a discount theater and just totally fell for it. It's absolutely a style movie but there is a story there and I do love how we get to choose how we view this movie.

[@haneulnophi]

I watched this on local cable TV (HBO Asia) and they censored a lot of things (seggs stuff, gore stuff) so I don't remember a lot about it. and now you made me] intrigued to rewatch it

[@leshaijohnson8289]

I’ve watched this movie SO many times over the years. I still get confused with watching it even though I know why everything and how everything happens lol. Because of it I have a love/hate relationship with it.

[@valxria3529]

girl I ain't ever heard someone say "alcolades"

[@faye6294]

I have loved this movie since I was a child. I also loved Emily Browning in this because I think the focus with her being stoic was about the abuse from her stepfather being more than just physical but also s*xual so it would explain why that is the first step to her disassociating and how she is completely separate from her emotions because that's the only way she knows to survive. Growing up I always thought that the whole fantasy fight scenes were all about fighting inner demons to get the courage to take action. I don't know if that is just me just finding deeper meaning but I just completely loved it. I also love the fact that its different to other movies in terms of not having hero plot armor because it never made sense to me how a hero magically survives everything.

[@mus7c]

i watched this movie when it came out with my best friend from middle school. we came out loving it, obssessed even! it's continued to be a favorite of mine throughout the years. i know a lot of people give it flag for both being a snyder film and "failing" at being feminist, but i've never found it fails at it. a lot people seem to assume that things it gets right are coincidental or accidental but again, i don't find it to be the case. like i said, i became abit obsessed with it when i first watched it so sought out a lot of interviews and articles about it afterwards and he explicit said he made this movie for his daughter, his wife very much involved in it too, and the actresses mentioned having a lot of input in the development of their characcters while making the film and overall enjoying prepaing and filming the movie so much. is it perfect movie or story? no, absolutely not. it actually reminds me of what i felt like when i would play with my barbie dolls and i used to make up the most dramtic, out of this world stories where my family of barbies were actually running a family brothel underground, fucked up, i know, but it was also the stories i was watching in mexican telenovelas. this story feels so much like the wild imagination of someone not quite grounded in reality because both babydoll and sweet pea aren't exactly the most sane.

[@trianenopenottrian9108]

I have never heard Alcolaids it kinda sounds like the struggle drink you know Kool-aid and something that burns. Might be locational from LA lived on NYC for 20years.

[@bringbling555]

i watched this movie when i was a teenager and i love it so much. sometimes the real world is so hopeless and boring and 'no way out' to the point that we can't event accept that it's real but we have to keep fighting. only imagination and fantasy can give us 'hope' to escape the shit call 'reality'