Kenosis - Venerable Fulton Sheen

[@Miriana727]

What a wonderful sermon. St. Fulton Sheen is so very holy and so very approachable. He is witty, and so very intelligent. And so very humble. I hope he is made a saint soon. To me, he is already a saint.

[@pedroarce541]

I am with you, HE IS A SAINT.❤

[@EichelTrocon]

❤me 2 he's a saint

[@christythachil]

A Man full of God's graces and a powerful messenger of Christ...My favorite author and priest of God

[@jakporphilip1613]

Beloved Fulton Sheen. Since I found him in 2005 I've read and reread his books. You can never have enough of this masterpiece of the richness of the Catholic faith

[@michaelrobertson5457]

September 21,2020, we're in the 10th month of the 2020 world pandemic, coronavirus/ covid ~19. Over 200,000 deaths in America alone, our president is a complete self centered idiot, who has a mouth that only gratifies him self and in the present state of our world calamity, our country have rights of immoral concepts and hold them to be the truth

[@augustvonmacksen2526]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 your false equivalence doesn’t substantiate an argument.

[@yvonnesanjuan9652]

He has the lucid gift of preaching: it goes through the core of man and simply talks in the words/examples of laity. He is great speaker and his demeanor is prim and proper. Thank you Lord for this man !

[@langakaliheilala4328]

Fulto Sheen how I love listening to you .. you are a gift from God .. Im not tired of hearing your sermons .. it gives enlightments 😐GOD BLESS BISHOP SHEEN 😇😇

[@ilonkastille2993]

Wonderful powerful way of teaching us. If more priests were like him, the churches would not be empty.

[@rommelterante683]

Come to our country... on Sundays our churches are never empty...

[@winebarimunsi4732]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 that was then and repentance and forgiveness has been sought...

[@winebarimunsi4732]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 man you have your issues but I beg you take them else where...we want positivity not the negativity that comes out of you...

[@winebarimunsi4732]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 he says come to our country which is in the present times and you choose to reply with what happen in the past...such negativity..

[@winebarimunsi4732]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 but that's where you go wrong a Roman emperor who have a pagan fighting for Catholicism...the two don't match...pagan Rome Roman empire is not Roman catholicism...please don't read btn the lines....The Roman Empire also persecuted the early Catholic church for your information...but then again that is in the past...

[@STHFGDBY]

This week is the first time I have heard Venerable Fulton Sheen speak. He is heart warming to listen too. And he died nearly 35 years ago. That is what I call receiving graces from Our Lady and God. They directed me to his videos so I can learn more about God.. That's my belief. Some time back I was directed to Mother Angelica's videos. I never heard of her till a short time ago when I accidentally came across one of her videos on you tube , she died this year on Easter Sunday. She is also heartwarming to listen too.

[@lightshines892]

♥️

[@ShuyikaHenry]

I sat before the blessed sacrament trying to learn about humility and Jesus thought me this concept. I did not know the name Kenosis, but the concept came to mind. Your video is just a confirmation that Christ is truly present in the form of Bread and wine in the holy Eucharist.

[@melissasaint3283]

"you sometimes get a credit for being learned when you are only confusing" Amen, Bishop Sheen, ain't that the truth! What a great reminder to teachers, that to teach means to make things clear and comprehensible!

[@melissasaint3283]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 No, they didn't. Did you ever read Mein Kampf? I have a copy. An example of clear and comprehensible and concise writing it ain't. It has an air of mystique, but it's mostly a boring drivel-- Hitler was not a skilled author. And it's huuuuge. He was a persuasive public speaker, who got coaching and enlisted the help of artists, photographers and designers to build the Nazi brand, and he told desperately unhappy people what they wanted to hear, and it changed whenever he needed it to change (which was quite a lot over the course of a few years!) Jim Jones was persuasive but again, that's not the same as being clear. He pretty rapidly changed his theology in the span of quite a short time, and by the end out in Guyana, it was a terrifying, drug-addled jumble that people could not escape. People who originally thought they were joining a Christian utopian commune, a few years later found they were in an Atheist suicide cult. I hate when people say "don't drink the Kool-aid". Most of those people were not true believers by the end. They just couldn't escape. Many were shot to death while running or fighting, or drank at gun point, or drank because they had just seen their children die before their eyes. Awful tragedy. But all this horror aside, the answer is much simpler: you are inverting Sheen's meaning here. What Sheen is saying is that a really good scholar is also a clear scholar. He is saying a mediocre scholar or even a sham can often pass as highly learned by simply being confusing. He is NOT saying that an unlearned or malignant person doing a good job peddling nonsense is a scholar. It's worth noting that Sheen was a prodigy of a student, and a very popular professor for 20+ years before he got a show on television. He wrote over 60 books. He sometimes provides wonderful, illuminating theological insights. In that statement, he is not elevating slick con artists. He is taking down a peg the kind of people who maintain their reputation by making their conversations, articles, books, or lectures as intimidating and confusing as possible. (Those people absolutely exist.) He always disliked it when professors would not do the work to find clear ways to convey information and actually TEACH their students.

[@melissasaint3283]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 Oh, I see-- you're willfully misunderstanding him ☺️ I'm sorry, I misunderstood. So what sect of Christianity do you belong to?

[@melissasaint3283]

Mmmm.... I'm guessing, Jehovah's Witness.

[@melissasaint3283]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 I always hesitate to engage with Jehovah's Witnesses...because someone who knows the Bible, and knows the details about their 1950 translation, is a very problematic person for any Witness to engage with. If a Witness asks enough troublesome questions at or after meetings, and shows signs of having done legitimate research outside what is provided by the organization, he will get himself into trouble. Is your entire family JW? That's always the most difficult situation, I know 😟 Changing your mind on faith can have such consequences for you. I love talking with door to door evangelists in general (Mormons are my favourite, they're almost always so sweet and pleasant) But with JW, it's very easy to give the evangelist information that will cause huge problems for you if you genuinely follow up, and the fallout can be big.

[@asantiago740]

Wao what a powerful lecture, Kenosis. Thanks be to God for letting us have Jesus as our Savior.

[@elmerdemleon9418]

These are the things we need to hear today from our priests

[@ryanhudson7521]

You heard it here. Pray that priests hear it too and tell parishioners today. :-)

[@conradlopez5243]

@@ryanhudson7521 p0

[@samlawson6507]

We need to hear it from every man who has received Holy Orders & the permission to preach. Deacons, Priests, Monsignors, Bishops, Archbishops, Cardinals & Pope Francis.

[@optimal8155]

Why don’t we?

[@naomymose1866]

Am house worker in Saudia Arebia,, and I have hear lord empty Himself and become slave. Lord Jesus strengthen to sarve, our bosses well. ❤

[@marthashilshi3410]

Excellent excellent how I love listening to you day in and day out.What clearity.May all those listen to you inherit your understanding of Christ fully.

[@shyaka-8774]

If you had the power to put your soul into the body of a dog! I hereby understand the mystery of Christ God to God-man!!!!!! Glory to you oh God for this superb lecture by your servant! !!

[@ellahope6494]

Fulton Sheen is a highly intelligent, gifted speaker. Listen people he is to be respected. Watch your mouth. We will be judged scripture says read.

[@bernie.fitzpatrick7948]

Chur! 👍 👋 From New Zealand 🇳🇿

[@veronicapresa4045]

But the church not caninized him cause he is a witness of sex abuse scsndal and not reported

[@alankuntz6494]

Everyone who listens can make their own determination. I think the kenosis message is great and any one can deliver it with out ever practicing it. Quite frankly I think he is full of himself.

[@147gilky]

"In silence we best discover God" 26:28 This is gone from the modern world! Distractions everywhere.. We live too fast.. One good thing to come from from the virus is too slow people down and start asking deeper questions... I hope he is made a saint soon, His messages are for these times. Stay strong in the Faith and God Bless you!

[@marlinaricafort7319]

I do love his sermons! God bless u father...ur sermons are still relevant more so today.

[@McIntyreBible]

2:20 "its always the business of a teacher to complicate the ordinary things of life". That's a great saying!

[@EichelTrocon]

Thank you heavenly Father for Bishop Fulton J Sheen

[@jimtamanisokula5225]

Always a wonderful and inspirational talk from the Archbishop Fulton Sheen ( now the Venerable Fulton Sheen ).

[@thresiakampalathfrd8920]

Beautiful sermon,very inspiring and convincing.thank you.

[@ranipaul100]

Tears Tears Tears ...Thank you so much profoundly from the core of my Heart Saintly Archbishop Fulton J Sheen. Please pray for me a miserable Sinner

[@rattanavadyluangrathrajaso563]

Powerful Archbishop SHEEN thank you for hearing your teaching AMEN My seeing RESSURECTION OF MY BLESSED LORD JESUS christ 2010 Halleluiah AMEN

[@chamdieladiela4296]

Let us never fight over God's Word. God reveals Himself to us day by day. Let us not fight brethren.

[@lenorecatalogna9752]

I was very young too when my parents used to put your program on television.

[@nicholasaleksandra4059]

That’s a wonderful performance and is great! I hope everything is going well Lenore and also my pleasure meeting you here..

[@c-lokes3636]

He is a brilliant teacher

[@animefreddiemercury]

I wish the church were still so focused on the Lord. The people before the creation of the Vatican II church dont know how blessed they were.

[@CP-cd1cy]

Thank you so much for sharing these videos

[@yadimanlaia3790]

Waoh..what is avery holy sermon and very deep knowledge....

[@jeradjones4160]

I'm stoked to meet him

[@dennisjacob1081]

Father God brought us into the world with nothing he will take us away with nothing. It's as simple as that.

[@jesusagonzales9485]

Simple truth is so refreshing. Truth is a person and the person is Jesus Christ. We will never be lost when we follow Him.

[@lornaallosa1865]

I love him so much Amen 🙏

[@coronamagnaye1168]

This was beautifully explained

[@wendyfield7708]

A great sermon.

[@marialaurafuentes8446]

Thank you so much

[@kathleenspector5596]

What a beautiful teaching to remind us of the love Jesus has for each of us and the importance of salvation. It is as pertinent today as it was when originally taught. God bless us all with insightful, holy educators of our faith.

[@jeradjones4160]

Bishop sheen gets to take credit for me returning to the sacraments a father in faith no two ways about it✝️✝️✝️⚜️

[@michelleb1]

Amen God bless you

[@Zoidbergirl]

Please pray for my family and my sister's divorce and parents financial burdens. Amen!

[@nandofigueira2005]

Brilliant!!

[@nicholeblume2191]

God bless and keep us all

[@nonoboddy8491]

Stunning

[@improvingourworld]

Amazing

[@cristinafratepietro6625]

Ave Maria fratelli io e mio marito Renato siamo in Italia e siamo molto devoti a Fulton Sheen ma perdonate la nostra ignoranza non sappiamo l inglese. Potreste qualcuno di voi mettere i sottotitoli? Certe catechesi le hanno. DIO VI BENEDICA

[@zsofiasz.8533]

❤

[@frankdelamotte9008]

Wo kann ich den Beitrag in deutsch hören. Wundervoll.

[@gorgana5]

He should have been a pope he is very wise

[@joanietomassi6131]

jeffry gagnon SScc- ópthe last days of John Paul

[@gorgana5]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 Was he a priest then??? he can repent like we all can and he will be saved. Jesus said do what they tell you not what they do or something similar.

[@Miriana727]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 Where are these films? Why weren't they discovered before? We are living in an age where we can say anything about anyone. Accuse anyone of anything. Especially the dead. I have no idea if Fulton Sheen was a practicing gay priest or what his sexual orientation was. But, in my opinion, he was a great saint.

[@Donna-cc1kt]

gorgana5 . If he should have been, he would have been. He was our teacher , our gift from God.

[@wenshan9101]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 you've made audacious claims that you do not support. If you regard yourself man enough and not some lesser species, apologise and repent in the way you know best. The Catholic Church was officially recognised in 110AD. In his epistle to the Smyrnaeans, Ignatius of Antioch affirmed her new identity. The need was to distinguish the universal church from the heretical sects which proliferated at that time. Your Roman paganism claim is even more ludicrous because this was a time of heightened persecution. Ignatius of Antioch would in 140AD be martyred by the Romans. The only date you came close, was Rome's conversion in 313 AD. Stop spouting filth, you damn yourself persisting to do so.

[@UhegbuJoseph-lp5sp]

😂l missed his book on life of christ by ven F sheen.lneed that book.....joseph lmo state Nigeria

[@cyama8679]

Profound words!

[@WayneGoulet-t6t]

Saint Fulton Sheen ; now that makes things better !

[@MouthwashTyphoon]

His reaction to that kid's age is hilarious 😂

[@loiscarrillo4058]

Enosis: Empty

[@jeradjones4160]

The Lord identified with mankind not with the angels to show his love for us

[@Edwinke11ey]

Start at 4:00

[@lenorecatalogna9752]

I did not much understand everything you said,but I knew wqho you were,the great Cardinal Sheen.

[@anthonycharnock6560]

I think this man is a real saint...but I take issue with his statement "We are a thousand times better than dogs." Dogs are the most loyal, loving, trustworthy and clever creatures... The same cannot be said for Humans... We are more often than not, worse behaved than any animal...we are the worst.

[@inma7608]

Podrían decirme donde encontrar estos audios traducidos al castellano? Gracias

[@winifredfew7336]

Amen

[@UhegbuJoseph-lp5sp]

I didnt know he is agood humorists.lam overwhelmed by his talks

[@carlosjavierariasdeceballo4164]

I need traduction in spanish please

[@robertmiller1299]

As we say in England: ‘Marmalade is a big word where I come from.’

[@dianearchambault7868]

Fulton Sheen explains in his lecture with such love poetically "....drop s of blood from Christ making a rosary of blood."

[@szatanowska]

👍❕

[@albaluzestesbravo9162]

Praying for his sainthood

[@lenorecatalogna9752]

I am sitting here with one of the Seniors li ving here who is 79 years old. She has never grown up with computers. Nevertheless, she was well educated and a psychiatric nurse. She is scared to even write a commnent because of the backlash she will receive from people she never met,never cared about, and does inwardly care what they think of her. To her, a comment is just showing they have nothing to offer but ignorance.

[@gloriaflorez8333]

No se hablar sino Español porfavor tradicirlo

[@ellahope6494]

You protestants don't read the whole Bible, you read and don't see. from Math.16 to John 51-55 to Luke and on an on what Catholics go by for Eucharist, confession, Mary virgin birth is found in scripture. The Catholic Church obeys what Jesus says, you do not. You have a man who leads you. Jesus founded The catholic church. All priest at daily mass read from old& new scriptures daily. Us Catholics have bibles also. I read mine daily, after rosary which is mediating on the life of Jesus, all scriptural. Don't criticize what you don't know, investigate find out your lies you believe are false. Prayers.

[@JeremyFrancispiano]

+ella hope Bless you, but for what merit is your spouting? Do you not see how you sound much like the pharisees of Jesus' day? Even Jesus said, "You read the scriptures daily, for in them you think you have life." Do you not see that the more we quarrel about who has the right walk of faith we only make evident to others that we are doubtful in our own faith? We are all sinners. Our flesh is as filthy rags to God. Only Christ was a perfect man, and our sins were put to an end on the cross he was hanged. Now if you don't really believe that, you might continue in sin by thinking your works are worthy and Christlike, because you pray rosaries and read the Bible and attend confessions. That is not living out faith, that is living out the belief that you will become like Christ in your flesh. But your flesh is good for dead, because your flesh is tarnished by sin! To live in faith does not mean to do good works for the glory of God, it means you believe that only one man has good works, and that is Christ Jesus. And you are made righteous with God by having faith in Christ's work alone. And in our flesh, we cannot perfect good works, but we can love each other. And if you spout out why certain schools of discipleship are unequipped for the Kingdom of Heaven, you too will be judged in the same way, just as I will be judged in the same way for making these judgments about you. But I tell you, I do not want to judge you. I encourage you: Pray your rosaries, participate in the sacraments, follow the Catechism. But when the day of judgment comes, know that your practices are good for nothing. But let Jesus himself be your good works. God's grace was lowering himself to human form so that we no longer had to conform to the law in our flesh for our salvation, but that we might conform to Christ in the spirit (which is our unseen faith). We are made righteous with God by our faith in Christ and the work He did for us. That is the Gospel. Let's try not to complicate it with our human practices, but keep our minds and hearts set on Christ. He is our good shepherd and he will bring home his whole flock! God Bless you!

[@thomasgahagan8832]

+Jeremy Francis An intersting way to look at things. Would say its quite interesting that you see Catholics as Pharisee like. My understanding of Jesus speaking to the pharisees is 1 Moses was given the Written law 2 Moses was given the unwritten understanding of the laws which he went into great detail in the three books after exodus that were attributed to Moses. These were the traditions of God as understood by Moses through the grace that he received from Jesus (the word of God) the second person of the holy trinity. 3 Moses received the teaching authority of those scriptures and the throne of teaching authority and if someone couldn't understand then Moses would sit in the chair and teach the correct understanding. Moses was the head of the congregation of gods people and would be the judge of differing undertsatnding of the written and unwritten laws and tradition of Gods and Gods will for mankind. Now the Pharisees came about after the second destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem while in Babylon. They wrote a new understanding of the traditions of God as given to Moses. This book I believe was the Babylonian Talmud (Book Of Jewish Law). It was more a book for bending the laws of God. A bit like how to break the commandments but yet still not actually have broken the word of God. The jews had gone through period of rule by Moses to Joshua to Judges to Kings and the Jewish royal family (Sadducees) to exile to Lawyers (The Pharisees) who bent the rules to suit the rules of men. Jesus referred to Pharisees as men with the traditions of men which ST Paul (Saul the Pharisee) goes into in depth to explain his understanding of the sin that jewish men had swapped the traditions of God for the traditions of men when they created a new book of law that imposed mens will on Gods laws. Now jesus came along and said Moses wrote about the things I told him and I told Moses that men were to love one another and to love god with all their heart soul and mind. Moses through grace translated the positive commandment of god and made it ten rules to NOT commit. But Jesus way explains in words the actual grace Jesus conveyed to Moses on the Holy Mountain. Understanding Grace and the words of God is hard, putting it into written words that humans can understand without confusion is even more difficult. It would require the spirit of God to guide the words. But even then its possible to misunderstand and come into conflict with the authority. Therefore when Jesus gave Peter the keys he gave Peter the authority to Gods Traditions through the deposit of faith placed in the 12 apostles. And the teaching seat of moses was transferred away from Pharisees and the traditions of men to Peter and the Apostles and the traditions of God were installed in the Catholic church to interpret the written word of God the unwritten word of God (Catholic traditions) and the authority on earth to bind and loose through the keys to the WAY to enter Heaven. The church had the authority of God the written word of God and the true traditions of God as taught by jesus to the twelve. Some of the true traditions of God were written down and later became the bible, but not every word of God was placed in written form in the scriptures. Exactly the same deal with Moses chair of authority of god, ten commandments as written word of God and the uwritten traditions of god on Moses heart. Now assuming you read this far. The Pharisees are more like the protestant congregation of christianity in my understanding. For they both reject the traditions of god and replace them with their own interpretation contrary to the true authority of Christ and create the traditions of men. Jesus promised that Satan would not prevail against his church. Protestants proclaim that Satan did infiltrate the church and thats why they had to splinter into their own traditions and create legions of new understandings of the written word. Anyway thats my undertanding. Catholic/orthodox is the church created by Christ. Their are some schisms between undertstanding between orthodox and Catholic and the seat of Authority. Thats anther question altogether. But Protestants argue among themselves which is the correct interpretation. hence the reason Jesus gave teaching authority to his twelve with Peter the Holy father of the twelve. Its very simple system to help keep the faith as close to the true vine as humanly possible. If you cut yourself off from the vine then you need God to graft you back on. And to be grafted back on you need the sacraments of the holy Apostolic church as understood by the church fathers through gods tradition taught directly to the church fathers from Jesus himself the word incarnate. Anyway peace and love to you and I pray that all find the narrow way to God and avoid the highway to hell. Peace be to you.

[@MrMjqdelmar]

I am a relatively new convert and have found your explanation excellent. Are you an apologist that I can follow?

[@adammiller3609]

ella hope ...god reads the hearts of men...no need for you to try...if "Saints" exist then God establishes them...not men. There is absolutely no Biblical basis for men acting as buffers between God and men...certainly no basis for praying to another human being such as Peter or Mary..that is pure idolotry

[@alejandrocanela691]

@@jeffrygagnon5506 It's just a long paragraph, I understood it clearly

[@lenorecatalogna9752]

How easy it is for youth today. They cry the blues about anything under the sun. It is not your fault that their lives were on the road to perdition. They should learn the difference between a comment and appropriate learning, teaching, thinking, acting, and everything else.

[@lenorecatalogna9752]

Instead of comments all these youth around the world crying the blues on social media should learn how to read your books too and after listening to you write a significant article with appropriate references and I might listen to their help.

[@McIntyreBible]

8:35, for God to become man is like a man becoming a dog.

[@emabelsmithable]

And so I ask; why wasn;t he a pope?

[@vincezetti7216]

no American has ever been Pope. he never stood a chance.

[@joemama5259]

If anyone , including non christians do not understand the trinity , let them study this video .

[@chazmology]

i john 5: NOTE 3-AGREE..8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. NOW BACK UP ONE...8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life....NOW BACK UP TO HEAVEN...NOT EARTH...7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. YOUR ALL BEING DOOPED...Watch my video for the TRUE WITNESS...TRUE 'RECORD'

[@craigbloomfield8908]

Remember came obedient to death , who is death? Is the question all should ask

[@melissasaint3283]

Obedient "even unto the point of death"....it means obedient even to the extreme of dying when one is commanded to die.

[@dhss333]

But well put.

[@craigbloomfield8908]

Christ , the higher city ,

[@TupacMakaveli1996]

He just went on talking random stuff about jesus

[@1699stu]

The Holy Spirit fills he does not empty.

[@fritula6200]

Jesus wasn't a Protestant.

[@paulbryson6118]

Jesus was a Jew

[@stephenfinlay5013]

I thought he was a Christian

[@florian8599]

Well, sometimes dogs are better company than some humans...

[@dhss333]

A disservice to poor dogs.

[@Robusquet]

This man is a red magnet with grey hair.

[@patricknovak6471]

The Catholics gave you the scriptures.... Lol

[@nickys3225]

chazmology Latin is not the sole language of the Catholic Church.

[@melissasaint3283]

@@chazmology I don't understand that criticism. How does it translate into English?

[@chazmology]

FT

[@melissasaint3283]

@@chazmology OMG, out of the most gigantic coincidence on the face of the Earth...I know you, lol! You're a really talented musician! What are the chances you would respond on YT to someone who is an acquaintance in real life?!?

[@chazmology]

melissa saint: the world isn't that big....I commented on here because my MOM always admired this guy...Still...their lost....at end he tell the truth....2 Tim @:15...but never quotes it..WANNA CALL ME MELISSA????...LOL

[@jerryservilla9145]

No bible verse hidtory lang

[@pertinaciousD]

I really like this guy but I wish he's stop bad-mouthing dogs.

[@philippinestroppoholic7996]

What does ‘venerable’ mean? Special? Holy? No man is special on earth. Me too

[@titokosh6293]

It is a title given to a deceased person who has attained a certain degree of sanctity but has not been fully beatified or canonized. Praying that soon, Venerable Fulton Sheen will be named a saint.

[@panchovilla5400]

WAIT A MINUTE FULTON!!!! WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!! AREN`T WE MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD?????????????????????? WHAT`S THIS SIMILITUDE WITH A DOG???????????????

[@winebarimunsi4732]

Please listen again and when you do please listen again not to argue but to understand the context from which he spoke...

[@cynic150]

Can he prove any of the things he just said?

[@wenshan9101]

Assuming you are referring to kenosis, read Philippians 2:7, the greek word used being ekenosen, translated as Christ emptying himself. Kenosis conceptualizes the act of emptying our will and replacing it with God's will. The passage talks about Christ taking the form of a slave in the likeness of man. As a logical extension, we empty ourselves in the service of humanity, obeying the will of God. If you need proof for his anecdotes, I'm afraid you have to ask him when we meet in heaven, if ever we get there!

[@cynic150]

@@wenshan9101 Your first sentence makes sense. But how do you know that Sheen is in heaven, or wherever?

[@wenshan9101]

@@cynic150 the 'we' was intended to include him. His canonization has been put on hold, so as a catholic, there is no way for me to comfirm his sainthood. By the way, it's always a pleasant surprise to find a cynic in the neighbourhood. Hope you find what you seek!😉

[@cynic150]

@@wenshan9101 Thanks! Well, canonization is something bestowed by human mortals, isn't it? So even if he were canonized that would not prove he was in heaven, would it? I will admit that he was really good at telling jokes and had many good ones! I do think a sense of humour important.

[@wenshan9101]

@@cynic150 catholics are bound once canonization is upheld. Anyone outside the Catholic Church need not assent though they may induct the saint into their communion. Since direct evidence is impossible to adduce, you are not wrong to say it's a human decision. But the cause for sainthood involves investigation and adjudication. Anyone with damaging evidence is entitled to object. Furthermore, miracles attributed to the subject's intercession must be adduced. In an oblique and circumstantial manner, catholics are convinced that a person's sainthood may be divinely revealed. If you search for St. Pio of Pietrelcina, there are accounts of healings that are beyond modern medicine. I would say more than just the humour, was a critical, incisive, powerful mind that delivered a knockout punch every time. Catholics like me come here to be punished for our lapses.