Keo & Zels: Unpacking Rassie's Bok revolution

[@SARugbymagcoza32-12]

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[@chantalottino1671]

So many stars.Polly our Ice man for life. Damien, Jesse, cheslin, eben, Psdt, Malcolm, Willie, Kwagga, Ox. The list goes on. For ever grateful to be witnessing this era of SA/springbok rugby. These giants will be remembered for years to come and immortalized as the greatest.

[@SteveWarlee]

Yep

[@Bakkies93]

Another hell of a show. Boks by 10+ 10+10+10

[@ahmedabdullah2375]

One of the best rugby podcasts, hilarious okes. Cheers from Canada

[@SteveWarlee]

😂😂😂 at -50 you know we're hot

[@paulvandermerwe5510]

2:36 “It’s a great day to pull a hammy in training if you are Welsh” had me in stitches 😂😂😂

[@ngolinyirenda6421]

Or the riposte "A great day not to BE Welsh" 😂😂😂

[@lukhanyosotyingwa1680]

May God grant Rassie good health cos this is a Hollywood movie unfolding in front of our eyes... We come out with the world cup and the end ... Blockbuster!!!😢🙆🏽‍♀️

[@akashaef1]

A trilogy 🤞

[@lukhanyosotyingwa1680]

@@akashaef1 Chasing the Sun 3 and then they drop a movie , Rassie retires ... Damn!

[@AC-hu3xk]

Yeah, ....praying for his health.

[@SteveWarlee]

Nutters, the poo is about to hit the fan in nuclear fashion or fusion and your calling on the God of creation to grant a coach to have life. 😂😂😂 Don't mix sport and eternal life issues, focus china fokus.

[@lukhanyosotyingwa1680]

@@SteveWarlee eternal life? Pipe down doomsday prepper, who made you eternal life prefect anyways? Everyone shall answer for their souls. I literally said health and now you're here evangelizing on a Rugby podcast. WEIRD . Focus Bro cos where we're going you won't get browny points for this useless take..

[@werne123125555]

14:25 Malcom Marx is at 16 is a cheat code!! What a player to come and finish off your games. Big part of Boks succes 💪🏽

[@ngolinyirenda6421]

I like how you put that ! Cheat code ! 🎮💪🏼🏉🇿🇦

[@docsimo412]

Kitsy, praying for your recovery mate. We miss seeing you scrumming players into the ground.

[@craigmorgan4676]

Agreed, absolute servant of Sa rugby, cracking player, prayers with u brother for this serious neck op!🙏🙏💯👍💪💯🤝🇬🇧🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@wernercowley]

Watching from the home dorp of the Boks- Boksburg😁 Great show, thanx guys💪 Very happy we have a show that is so positive and singing the praises of the Boks🇿🇦

[@timbaker4253]

So glad to hear you emphasise the coaching. That’s ALL that matters for the Boks. We’ve always had and always will have the players.

[@lukhanyosotyingwa1680]

@@timbaker4253 we needed someone to put our whole house in order cos honestly we've had way more talented squads , now we have a functional structure from top to bottom and blessed with players that understand the responsibility of the jersey in our current times.. Rassie understood the assignment!!❤️❤️🇿🇦

[@Lvka137]

I’d hate to watch these okes if I wasn’t SAn. 😂😂😂

[@sethrandall5489]

😂

[@chilius73]

They’re annoying - but a great bunch and very factual… 🇿🇦

[@MosesMatsepane]

I can’t believe that Wales is the same country that nearly knocked us out of the World Cup Semifinal in 2019. Just shows you how quickly things can turn around in Sport.

[@clivecolbert5485]

Always treat to listen to you

[@kennethbrown8144]

Fun fact that I am surprised the rugby historian Keo didn't bring up: Rassie was in the team that beat Wales 96-13 in 1998. Would it not be amazing if he could beat that record as coach!

[@mikezog1030]

not going to happen

[@mikezog1030]

I went to that game with a Welsh mate of mine who was wearing his red jersey. The game was in Prehistoria. After the game he never bought a drink all night after the game because all these massive Afrikaner Bok supporters were walking up to him and saying "Ag shame man, let me buy you a drink."

[@gmlangley]

First Try - Jesse Kriel Points - Wales - 6 RSA - 56 Big G watching all the way from Addis Ababa in Ethiopia MATE!

[@rmr3403]

Love the gees good RSA attitude and energy. Those boks are paying us back for all those hard years in the wilderness

[@lukebentley3770]

Reminds me of Pep Guardiola. Rotates to ensure game time management. Sign of a genius elite coach and elite performance. The Pep of rugby in my opinion.

[@uadriaan]

Wilco is in for Ox, what a champ.. deserves a break!

[@Smokey1801]

What a great prediction by Keo for the boks, so close!

[@Gavsta60]

We had a dearth of quality 10's in South Africa just a short while back...and suddenly we're producing them in batches!! We face the next 10 years with Hendrickse and Sacha while Pollie slowly phases his way out of international rugby, In the background are Masuku and Manie and there will be others coming through as well, The future of SA rugby looks pretty damn great at 10.

[@SteveWarlee]

😂😂😂 Polly phases out. 10 years. Would U like me to provide U with a bone shiner.

[@Gavsta60]

@@SteveWarlee - Shame are you naturally obtuse or do you just work hard at it varknuckle? I said we're good for 10 years with HENDRICKSE AND MNGOMA-ZULU....not Pollie you doofus. Pollie will start phasing out soon so the youngsters can move in and take over and THEN we're good for another 10. Slap yourself in the head chop.

[@dewalddevilliers1834]

Hope Jordan shines,he is one for the future, utility value.Happy for Cameron.

[@alexwakefield4717]

Zels, at 9, Jaden and Grant are both the way forward as it depends on the starter and the finisher in the game which is determined by how we want to play against a specific opponent. Both skillsets suited perfectly for a 23 man team.

[@MarcGravett]

Cheers boys. Always a good laugh 👊

[@BentJ87]

It would be great to see/ get Rassie on the show. One day it would be great to have a masterclass in coaching from Rassie's perspective. So much to learn that could benefit all aspects of life (Leadership/ team management / analytics and trend insights and how to use it for decision making etc). It would be a sad day for the sport of Rugby (dare I say wider humanity) If all that skills/ insights /lessons go to waste and not re-taught.

[@username-iq1nt]

Springboks are not only the best team in the world, but also the only team that truly plays entertaining and innovative rugby. Up the boks! 🇿🇦🇿🇦💪

[@fernandodesousa6543]

Excellent

[@orlandosadie6283]

Apart from Hanekom am I glad Jordan gets one more run at 10. He is a better all around player and more versatile than Manie looking ahead to 2027. Thanks Mountain Men for a great show. KEO we love you for your optimism & ZELS for your pragmatism. Boks by 10 to the power 2

[@quaziforus]

Manie is the best 10

[@orlandosadie6283]

​@@quaziforus​ I rate Pollard and SFM above Manie

[@JayKay-on2gr]

Tired of of watching Mannie. Let's hope Jordaan can have a good game and leapfrog him into 3rd choice.

[@ad2040]

Agreed on Jordan. There was a great breakdown of his stats on Forever Sports here kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIvbZHuHiLijpbssi=3FSjqgEKsVlW_yyB He is the best defensive 10 at club in tackles made, tackle success and time between tackles, exceeding even SFM in that, kicking a respectable 76%, skewed by the fact those were long range kicks as he has a massive boot on him and what he was being used for. Can also play 15. Definitely a better test prospect. Hope he has a great game.

[@orlandosadie6283]

@ad2040 fully agreed he will push SFM all the way for 2nd choice. SFM can be brilliant and erratic at the same time given his age, but Jordan looks more steady operator like Polly.

[@kierontreas5971]

2 episodes in 4 days? Is it Christmas already?! 🎅🏾

[@denzelwindvogel9262]

Hats off to you guys the efforts that you bring we can even hear the heavy breathing or is it just the quality mics being used 😤

[@jacquie212]

I love the observation that Rassie always gives the guys in the team something to play for… that unchanged team against Ireland is the perfect showcase. Boks do not generally back up wins, and he seems to have figured out a solution.

[@Gorilladome4664]

top shelf insights boyz!

[@daylynlundall1663]

Love how Keo always puts emphasis on the word “absolutely”🤣

[@riaanbotha4893]

you two guys are genuis as well - great discussion

[@hannesolivier204]

This episode was extremely motivational. Just because you’ve lost it all now, remember, you have what it takes to be a World Cup winner the next year.

[@Goggawie]

Soooo lekker om ja julle te luister 👌

[@twoface_janus]

I think Rassie loaded the team because a loss, if we trip up, would be disastrous. We need a dominant win and we need to play like it’s the number 1 against 11. End the year with a bang! Go bokke!

[@titantitan8425]

whats the update on Faf Dk and De Jager

[@jameswyatt4443]

Faf is not injured, Lood is.

[@jarredgoodman9688]

Faf doing hair commercials, more lucrative than international rugby😂

[@KyleJanks-nr3qs]

Fafs selling budgies 😂😂😂

[@jetrojaars9975]

Yes Keo , something that buss me out of confusion with the IRB ranking that someone by loose against minor team then they leap frog you.

[@chrismouton1985]

Howzit from a Namibian living in Austria! The Age of Rassie is good! My prediction is Boks to win 55-17.

[@gideonjoubert7692]

Honestly, how we lost that 2nd game against Ireland on homesoil is just shocking. Rassie must have had nightmares for days. Everyone keeps ridiculing the ranking system, but the Boks allowed them to meander alongside us at the no. 1 spot. Take this and do not forget it, you do not lose home games ever if you're building a legacy team

[@Smoke_C]

Let’s not get too comfortable or cocky. It’s not becoming of a classy champion. Let’s stay humble.

[@MuhammadMotala]

😂 hell no, let's enjoy what we have while we have it

[@Babalola12]

The way I can hear Keo breathing so heavily while Kels is talking in anticipation to respond is a showcase of the passion he has❤😅. Love your show gents!! Much love from Botswana!!

[@twoface_janus]

😂or just an indication of how unfit he is… But I agree, the passion is infectious

[@Babalola12]

@twoface_janus I was trying to be nice....I actually meant both.. 😂

[@benvandermerwe4934]

Great entertainment as usual. Remember a young Mark "Ruffalo" at the Cape Argus in the '80's. The only trustworthy rugby reporter against Quintus's and Bokkie's provicialism. Cheers! 👏🏻⚡🏉🥃

[@adahero77]

Top tier coaches are rare for sure. With that in mind, I think it won't be long before Jaques N is tempted into the top job for one of the home nations teams, England would be my guess. Setting up Rassie vs Jaques at RWC27!

[@abbu.robinson]

Boks by 20 we are going to test some moves and plays and things will feel like a regression from the less than 100% form against Scotland and England (though I think it's Rassie tinkering in the Wales game and not that players will be running cold)

[@craigmorgan4676]

If Rassie wins 3 rwcs on the trot,I dnt think that'll ever b achieved ever again!Good luck to whoever takes over from Rassie, MASSIVE boots to fill!👀👀😬😬😬🤝💯💪💪👍💯🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@tilmanvondelft]

23’27” very illuminating the number of Boks still playing in 2024 who lost against Wales in 2018…

[@johanjoubert2312]

Love the show, you guys SHOULD mention though that we are 2019 and 2023 World champions, Lions series winners, Rugby championship winners…😂

[@akashaef1]

And no 1

[@jamesbester7520]

🤣🤣🤣

[@SlekelekeSwela-du4mw]

And a record 4 World cups..hahah

[@brandonwysoke4456]

Well we got the du Toit and Wilco front row in the end.

[@troycosnett972]

WHEN & WHERE ARE THE HOME RC TESTS NEXT YEAR!!??

[@jaunalonzo5866]

Rassie Erasmus Is the Pep Guardiola of Rugby!!!

[@pantoffelslippers]

Ox out now? 😮

[@Jan-p4y]

Poetic that all you heard out of Wales was that Hanekom was eligible. Now Hanekom makes his Bok debut against Wales. Watching every week from Surrey 🧐

[@Quin.CR7]

Nice chat as usual, chaps. I think Canan Moodie should be playing at 13 against Wales.

[@izakcelliers7307]

Lekka boys.... Proper show!!

[@PJR89]

Strongs ou rooies✊💪

[@klagoshaya5517]

Do you all know how kak it is being a Bok supporter here in Sydney. Nobody here knows rugby like we do. The bloody Wobbelies I just can’t do it.. been here 16 years .. this is hands down my best rugby podcast. From a ‘de Villiers’ living in an expensive city…

[@mikezog1030]

I feel you bro - also in Sydney.

[@ianleobacktonature]

A wounded Wales cannot be taken for granted. Knowing Rassie, he and the boys won't. GO BOKKE 🇿🇦 💚 PREDICTION BOKKE 52 WALES 19

[@ThePretender47]

All this says to me is that with all this experimenting with players and wins that we would think should have been won with bigger margins, is that, come 2027 World Cup the Springboks will lift the trophy for the fifth time, three in a row making history like nothing ever seen.

[@jaredevans5712]

Jaden our best 9😐😐, l love this show and your guys opinions but that is far off

[@TheSwingingFlamingo]

agree

[@stephdegoede8316]

Not even close to out best.

[@mcgyvermatatiele1182]

I also don’t agree. Grant is our man.

[@akashaef1]

He had a bad game against Scotland, and the opposition put a lot of, illegal, pressure on him. The forward pack didn't make his job any easier, but he had a blinder against Arg in Nelspruit. He was incredible in that match, and much closer to his normal day at the office.

[@jaredevans5712]

I just look at how physical today’s 9s are and have the opposition guessing at the ruck as well as speed of ball. He looks like a scared kitten near contact and is far from the physicality expected of a springbok. If we refer to some of the great 9s SA has produced as a standard, Joost, fourie, faff etc that’s the norm. Grant is all of the above 👆🏻

[@aswebb74]

@keo, why is there no SA-A team going on tour for 2 or 3 games? Thus is where some of the extended squad or fringe players can test combinations and get serious game time. The AB's and Aussies both sent A teams on the Northern tour.

[@Kid_Senekal]

my understanding is that the mandated rest periods for players was a factor- especially with the URC restarting next weekend. Super Rugby only starts mid-Feb so potentially easier for NZ & AUS so do that. I also would've loved to see an SA-"A" team going to France and Ireland.

[@notenoughstones3873]

Honestly no experience will compare to test rugby. A-team games are nowhere near the level of test matches so not a great indicator of how good a player is. Also with Rassie playing over 50 players, he has probably given more meaningful game time to more players than NZ or Aus with their A teams.

[@ngolinyirenda6421]

If you look at that England side, they are the only sode who physically were quite close to the Bokke in sheer size, but rugby is about ability before size and power !

[@davidekerold9071]

Aphelele Fassi to score the first try! go man go!!!

[@briangovender7435]

Grant Williams is our best half backs

[@annJord123]

Thinking of Steven Kitshoff today ❤ in other news, does Frans Malherbe live in Constantia and how badly is he hurt? Saw a Frans Malherbe clone having a little jog there this morning at 6:15 😂😂

[@zamaonceya8736]

Thanks to Rassie now no player carries the bags the whole tour " like Roger Telemachus issue back in the day"

[@svndile]

BOKS BY 50 🏉

[@DerekChaplin-mu1gc]

Did l hear right, Fassi started against Scotland? l don't think so, not in the match 23, 7-1 split, Grant W only back. Willie Le Roux started. Jean Kleyn must still be in the mix for 2027, will be 33 versus Franco Mostert will be in his 37th year, not sure he will make it. Thanks for a great show!!

[@OG_FPL]

Boks By 10

[@essenceofsa]

Thoughts going out to Kitsie and his family

[@SovrinWealth]

Keo and Zels - bring die brandewijn - Saterdag gaan epic wees as hierdie span die Welsh gemors met minstens 10 drie....

[@mikezog1030]

I make the point that 57-0 is not JUST because of inferior coaching. There are much darker forces at work. There are divisions and there are cliques and there are prima donnas at play, and there is poor leadership within the team and there are coaches that have lost their changeroom, and players that want revolution. I would like someone to do an investigative documentary on what happened there. We deserve answers for things that scarred us as a nation for life.

[@dieterbester9528]

The greats in the back line predict that Tony ball will be exhibited

[@quaziforus]

Rassie says Cameron is not a 6. 7 or 8 only

[@Tar-ZA-n]

That’s odd. His game seems a lot like Kolisi’s. Plays to the ball but also regularly a threat in the wide channels.

[@babapush]

Jacques for Wales coach?

[@PHREINECKE]

And don’t forget the important Freedom cup

[@PHREINECKE]

And thanks for entertaining us every week with your opinions

[@toscabrutus1781]

Lekker chat. Groete uit LIma PEru!

[@GeorgePie-li6hw]

Lekker show but I like Grant Williams. Wats up with Faf?

[@johannmalan2994]

You can say this one is useless and that one is useless as much as you will,but Rassie is the Genius with a plan. This is in reading the comments.

[@Success101king]

Craziest thing I've heard... Jaden best 9... wow

[@jameswyatt4443]

He had 1 bad game. Grow up.

[@brettfleiner4906]

He has been the best 9 in terms of game management and tactical kicking for a while now he has one bad game and everything else he has done is forgotten. Let's also be fair and mention that Jaden's game against Scotland was one in which the rucks were an absolute mess and Scotland did a good job of keeping it that way for the first 50mins of the game. Grant is fire and basically a younger version of Reinach, he'll always be around but not usually the starting 9, especially in games we expect to be more territorial.

[@izakcelliers7307]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@andremeyer1286]

Boks by 💯

[@tevredenplaas1484]

Did KEO run from home today?? Heavy breathing again.

[@IrmaDavis-i9s]

Hi guys. ..a slight digress.. Do you have an opinion on Tyrone Green? Just curious Cheers ND

[@bwana4711]

xx Not enough laughing at your own jokes in this video xx Still 10/10 though. 🇿🇦🏆🏆🏆🏆

[@deanburger4574]

I Always find it quite ironic how we in awe of this Bok side ect which we should be but we can never truly say how badly BEE type appointments like Pieter De Villiers and Alistair Coetzee threw our rugby to the dogs and also Heyneke was ready to take over in 2008 where he was on super high from Bulls and when he did take over it was forced and on back foot and scared to loose instead of taking over when he should have with CORE Bulls players and some other exceptional talents but lets be glad we finally got it right . Lets hope we after Rassie get the right people in instead of our pathetic transformation bullshit appointments.

[@keenancapkey555]

How about playing Esterhuizen on 11 nd make him a Jonah Lomu Imagine how interesting that would b

[@aswebb74]

No Zels... Jaden (two-step pass), is currently 3rd in line. Williams is our best 9 option heading to the world cup.

[@okkertgreyvenstein5765]

Rassie said Cemron Hanekom isnt a 6 , but a 7 or 8th man.

[@jameswyatt4443]

He can do any of them.

[@roryblake3232]

No way, Jayden, come on

[@MduPlessis-j6z]

Jesse Kriel to score first try Final score: Wales 9, SA 59

[@roryblake3232]

Never gonna be 17 Welsh world cup winners, ever.

[@shuaybfebruarie1204]

Can something be done with Keo's mic. Every time zelz is talking you can hear Keo breathing heavy. It hurts the ears mate.

[@ianleobacktonature]

Prediction 52 Bokke 19 Wales

[@BlazeEigs]

Please ask Keo to say: "Jan is young". (Jan as in Jannie).

[@justina7041]

Disagree with you on how good Jaden is. He is way too slow at the ruck. All the really good scrum-halves are a second or more quicker. I hope he plays well of course. Jordan is not a 10, rather keep him at 15. He is also too slow in decision making to be pivot

[@evanh8749]

Agree. At the moment I think Reinach is the strongest all-rounder. And Grant is the best/fastest on attack, some weakness getting turned over as he out runs his support. But understand what they are saying with Jaden... When on form he shows old school Bok style, with low error rate steady delivery relying more on the Flyhalf and fullback to act as play maker. Though he had a shocker on tour, think they see him as a knockout rugby scrum half. Needs to prove it still. Think Grant Williams is too good off the bench, so although he deserves more starts think he's proven too valuable as back up utility. Agree. Jordan will not be the 1st or 2nd choice flyhalf, unless it's against a super physical islander team where he's got the better physicality. Even at 15 he won't be ahead of Willemse, Fassi and other's at club level. His value long term will be utility coverage on the bench, and late game kicking. If he can drop goal from distance too, his value goes up. If he could jump into a forward role as well (a reverse Kwagga) given he's got the more physical frame then he will become an irreplaceable player on the bench. ... A lot needs to happen there, but I'm excited at the potential he could over various strategies.

[@justina7041]

@evanh8749 I like how you think. People think I'm attacking the Hendrkse brothers and get so defensive, but I'm just pointing out what I've seen with how they play and what could be worked on. I agree with how Jordan could be used. Even at the Lions he was more of a utility player.

[@mikezog1030]

@@evanh8749 but Jordan has been in fine form for the Lions this year. I want to see if he can handle higher levels.

[@evanh8749]

@@mikezog1030 I'm most excited to see him play. I think he has a real future with the Boks. But I see him being behind Pollard, Libbock and Sacha as a starting 10 (at least for now). But he would be in front of Libbock as a utility player. And he has the potential to really grow. While I see Sacha as a better future replacement for Libbock, I think Jordan is the closest replacement for Pollard down the line, with greater physicality in defence. And he's growing in confidence playing for the Sharks.

[@StevenBenjaminAuthor]

Maybe this is payback (to the Boks old hands)for all the headaches Wales has caused Rassie over the years (never an easy opponent), but they're vulnerable now,

[@TheOyster-w2x]

Summary of this show: "My Boks are better than your team and must beat everyone"

[@sakabula2357]

Yes..that's the summary of sport....

[@jameswyatt4443]

The truth is the truth.

[@udovanschalkwyk5206]

Yeah kind of the truth, let it be so

[@roryblake3232]

Well thanks, saved me from watching:)

[@MrBreakdownBoy]

SA Rugby posted, Ox is being rested.

[@claytonhorn7195]

Do we need to worry about Oz for the next WC? Seeing where we were in 2018 and how they are bouncing back and the fact that the WC is in Oz makes me shit a little

[@jamesbester7520]

The Australian rugby pundits are already saying “The Wallabies’ next generation of stars have arrived”. They are very much like Jeff Wilson and company getting well ahead of themselves. They are definitely improving. I would like to see how they do against Scotland and Ireland in the coming weekends.

[@davidlategan3982]

First try Curtley Arendse Springboks 56 Wales 20