Kep1er and their Justified Hate

[@txt.moa_luvs]

This is a verrrryyy late comment but anyways *clears throat* in case you’re wondering why the audio of my intro is cut off, it’s because I muted it due to copyright issues but that ended up affecting parts of my commentary, so to clear it up, the words that are cut off are “too late” and “Hello everyone”. If you wanna check out more of my Kep1er related videos feel free to watch them :) Redoing Kep1er’s Career: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXzKcnmcq9yrmJIsi=VUQxGwWnl5-jtNw1 The Hate on Huening Bahiyyih: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2rdmqytg8SYobcsi=HRlvC5b2gZpo7bA3

[@xiaorina]

the craziest thing is how xiaoting and hiyyih have gotten multiple brand deal offerings and wakeone just simply turns them down for some godforsaken reason like what is going on

[@mylovechoerry2233]

Bahiyyih didn't get any brand deal, stop the propaganda 😂 where are the proof? Appart this one Bahiyyih akagaes who pretended to work for a luxury brand(not even a w1 employee) without showing recipe. If it is indeed true we only able to know only at the end of her contract with w1 like hwasa dating was released only after she leaved her old company.

[@loyalia]

as an ot9 kep1ian I honestly think it‘s kinda sad how many solo stans there really are.I think they honestly have really good music like you can‘t tell they have bad music while there are songs like back to the city,good night and le voya9e in their discography

[@SBBunny93]

Their B-Sides are a lot better than their Titles. They don’t have a clear concept or sound. And if they truly went in with dimension and planets concept their constant sound change would make sense but they don’t. But comparing them to any girl group on the market, hell even IZ*ONE (yes we can compare because they are involved in the market and are competing with other girl groups) they just don’t hold the flame. When they DO get a song that sticks out like “MVSK” the company completely ignores the reception. Again I don’t think they have bad music but their titles aren’t strong and for some the title track is what is going to sell the group. Some fans only listen to titles while others only listen to B sides while some listen to both. But the average listener won’t pick up an album if they don’t like the title and most people don’t like their title tracks.

[@ANNE-ng1sr]

And fuck all bahiyyih haters.

[@Matthew-ei8hp]

ive always emphasized the fact that up! was just that, a SUMMER track. it was never supposed to be a concept change for the group, it was literally just a summer themed album. so when non fans and akgaes use doublast as an example of their alleged lack of concept or sound, I never take them seriously bc they are obviously dumb or biased. or both. edit: I want to thank you for adding a section about the hate that Dayeon gets. I genuinely never see anyone comment on this, and she's constantly villainized by antis who project onto her. Please give these girls a break, we've got 6 months left with them, and a lot of us actually cherish them and just want to enjoy and support our faves in peace. Burn wakeone, not Kep1er. Also it is 2024 now. Can we finally leave the Hiyyih hate in the past? She is talented, she worked just as hard as the other members, if not harder. I roll my eyes so hard when I see a tweet or post talking about Hiyyih or other GP999 trainees that 'deserved' to debut instead. It's been almost 3 years, my god, move on. Nobody else can fill her spot, it wouldn't be kep1er if she wasn't in it. I wanna add that IZ*ONE was well planned and conceptualized before PD48 even finished airing. Mnet rigged a few members in and even rigged a member out (Chowon from Lightsum actually placed 6th). They knew which members they would have at least early on, they made sure of that. I HAVE to also remind everyone that Korea has actively boycotted Kep1er since before they even formed. Even recently at an awards show they received a black ocean for no reason. Its disgusting and ive felt like ive been fighting an uphill battle as an OT9 Kep1ian since 2021...

[@draculena]

27:58 i disagree with this point; wonyoung was absolutely despised and hated and scorned at izone's debut. for the entirety of pd48's airing, everyone thought that sakura was going to be the center. the amount of hate wonyoung got for debuting as center, and then when the pd48 ranking scandal came out, was actually criminal. it was very sad, especially because of how young she was :(

[@ishathakor]

kep1er got unlucky because they debuted around the same time that much more cohesive groups were also debuting. and those groups had the benefit of not already being disliked before debut (due to lineup). kep1er's team also made the mistake of making their first comeback a summer song that deviates from the established sound they had. this made a lot of people immediately write them off. ive also did a concept change with baddie as you said but they already had a couple of tts sticking to their concept that helped them establish a fanbase for themselves with stuff like after like and i am before they started changing things up. kep didn't have that. lesserafim absolutely did not have a concept change with fearless to antifragile. just because they're wearing denim now doesn't mean it's something completely different. it's different styling yeah but both songs definitely sound like they're from the same artist. i think kpop fans have too narrow of a definition of "concept" if y'all are expecting the same aesthetics every time as well. their thing is a specific brand of confidence. i'm fearless. i'm antifragile. i'm unforgiven. they're still doing those same things.

[@markigirl2757]

I thought they all swapped outfits tbh bc their staying theme seemed so simailr even with the denim

[@kisus4489]

Thank u so much for putting attention on Hiyyih’s situation, I really pray for this girls success and peace after the disbandment because she had to go through massive hate from kpop stans, without her labels protection or support, getting treated really poorly each comeback and even being treated as a second thought by her own fandom. She’s so talented and deserves way better

[@JoaoHenrique-pu2xi]

Kep1er has been my favorite group. I love their synchrony and chemistry. The songs are incredible. Kep1er has faced a lot of bad things so I can't get enough of sending all my love to them and I will continue to do this!

[@sakuta_kun]

I just can't get enough of these kep1er career analysis videos😶

[@annamann8659]

Me too

[@narychka]

Get put of here then

[@ggstan2439]

Yes lmao I relate

[@ggstan2439]

I did 39473973642828 alternative line ups and careers to the girls.

[@chelleange1s]

although i think many ppl thought hiyyih’s lines during wa da da era would just be a fluke, it really showed how wakeone viewed her. it’s annoying bc many ppl thought she’d be a lead vocalist, but wakeone has given her less than the bare minimum and made her a sub vocalist despite not even remotely being terrible. something else that i find both funny & interesting is how kep1er kinda reminds me of twice. yes they’re both 9 member groups, but when u look at their positions, they SHOULD be almost the exact same but they’re not.

[@skylarmartin4247]

I didn’t realize Kepler had mostly solo fans, I really enjoyed their first year of activities, up like you said was a favorite of mine and that album was really nice. It’s tough to hear all the hate the members get especially Chae, Dayoung and Huening. I hope everything in the future for the group goes well.

[@evenif7431]

I feel like when kpop stans complain that Kep1er doesn't have a musical identity, what they really mean is they don't like Kep1er's musical identity, which is a different issue. I think the same is true of recent criticisms of Itzy, the problem isn't a lack of identity, it's a lack of appeal to you personally.

[@luv1ssour_]

I see where your coming from but I disagree the reason itzy has so many musical directions is because of their saying "all in us" meaning they have and can do everything (including concepts) and hopefully their fans will give them all their love in return, kep1er with their name and debut was supposed to have a space concept and while they did change it after they did they didn't stick to one changed concept

[@Hhhyyookii2233]

I’m not a keplian ( I hope this is right 😅) ,but it angers my so much how much hate they all received in just 2 years, it’s so sad to see that this innocent people went through so much. I don’t want them to disband either , because I think they are a cute K-pop group, which you can’t really find nowadays and I love some of their songs so much . I know I can’t do much to help them , but I want to say “don’t believe in the hate , stay as you are and enjoy your rest time in kep1er .” ❤❤

[@HectorH-M]

Keplian

[@Hhhyyookii2233]

@@HectorH-M thank you ☺️

[@annamann8659]

Haven’t finished the video yet, but one of the things I’m so pissed about is the fact that hiyyih was offered a brand deal. This isn’t just wake one stupid favoritism w1 is actively affecting her paycheck being an idol is her job and the fact that they turned down an opportunity for her to make money is extra bad. Like they can be sued kind of bad

[@HectorH-M]

I don't think they can be sued

[@annamann8659]

@@HectorH-M it’s highly unlikely that they will ever get sued, but I was trying to say that it is not a good look to try and take money away from someone if the option is there

[@HectorH-M]

@@annamann8659 Ι see

[@goldyd144]

​@@annamann8659 A suit wouldn't likely go well in Korea. I feel like Hiyyih, and many members of Kep1er, will experience a career boost after they disband kinda like Blackpink is experiencing more solo activities now that they no longer have solo contracts managed by YG.

[@MissyxAkunai]

This happened to Sakura when she was in IZONE, sadly it's the trade off for debuting in a produce/mnet group. They play favouritism, technically there were some members who got subunit and solo endorsements/activities, and no one could do anything about it.

[@MarkAlexander2010]

It's interesting to hear your perspective. I think the biggest issue was that Kep1er was always going to be compared to IZ*ONE. It didn't help that GP999 aired so soon after the disbandment, which not only drew animosity from fans, but also those that were upset about the Produce scandals. The show itself had an interesting concept with contestants from the 3 nations, but didn't have enough structure. Ideas like separating contestants into C-group J-group K-group rankings, then creating cells, but then abandoning it shortly afterwards, might not have allowed viewers to become invested in the show. I think it also contributed to the issues you mentioned some people had with the final lineup. Unfortunately, whichever group was going to follow IZ*ONE was going to face difficulties. Produce48 was a massive success, in part due to the involvement of AKB48. The group formed from the show was always going to have strong international support, and regardless of what people think of IZ*ONE or their music, they became an absolute juggernaut in the industry. In fact, their inability to avoid disbandment might be a contributing factor to why Kep1er has so many solo fans (as you say). I don't think Kep1er has been a 'failure' or 'flop' though. I'm sure there are a lot of groups that would love to be 'failing' as much as Kep1er. Like you said, it's because of IZ*ONE's achievements that K-pop fans have unrealistic expectations for Kep1er. Perhaps your observation about Bahiyyih could be an analogy for the group. That the younger sister's individual qualities should be appreciated instead of being compared to the older brother.

[@brinsssicyrine2865]

The talent kep1er possess is insane

[@ellajeon8509]

Haven't finished the video yet, but one thig pissed me off as a hiyyihlights is how w1 reject most of her brand deals, it is not only dior we have Dolce and Gabbana too that they rejected, the line distribution and never protect her. Actually most of hiyyih variety show was because of us asking and sending email and messeges to the Pd of the show to invite her. As a hiyyihlight who witness everything from how some ot9 excuse our sentiments to some ot9 giving hiyyih back handed compliments to blaming us from her hate that she have receive to ot9 excusing her talents and being her anti and defending anti( some also are friends with her anti, follow her anti and even approving on the hate anti giving to hiyyih).

[@annamann8659]

Me and you are on the same page

[@kailasdandekar8103]

They do that to every member Recently dayeon was pressyrised abt her weight Earlier chae and her regualr injuries And many other members havent had their tiktok videos or covers uploaded yet after a long ass interval

[@mylovechoerry2233]

Those brands deal don't exist it is pure propaganda from an hiyyihlight akagae.

[@mylovechoerry2233]

Hiyyihlights are always acting like victims no surprising 😂 when they are the biggest agents of chaos in kep1er unprovoked most of the time.

[@ellajeon8509]

@@mylovechoerry2233 Lol it exist it was comfirm by the person who works from that brand. W1 reject those deals cause it is ot Dy and XT they are requesting it is hiyyih to be part of the spring collection

[@faeriegraver]

I'm not even 9 minutes in... I feel like Up would've been received better had they not been put on Queendom after Wa Da Da. I'm sure Queendom will be discussed. I just wanted to pause the video now to say this. I really feel Queendom derailed their chances of greater success. It was also unfair to immediately put them through another survival show instead of focusing on group activities. Edit - yeah I knew Queendom would be brought up. I really think things would've been better had they not had to do it.

[@annamann8659]

No i get you. Kepler did not need queendom to boost their career it was just another tactic. My personal theory is that mnet was struggling to get groups for the second qudom lineup so they put Kepler on there to fill the roster

[@wonyoungspinkynail]

i swear fuck the bahiyyih haters like they hated her for nothing like sure kai was a part of her growing popularity but it was the stans bringing up kai whenever bahiyyih was brought up, and the way they act as if bahiyyih doesn't have any talent even though she continues to improve and no one notices because of their shit company just pushing her to the back like she wasn't the reason this group became popular.

[@u72174]

i have been waiting for someone to make a video abt kep1er without calling them flop nugus for ages and i agree with every point u made. emphasis on the izone part, ppl put so much pressure on them expecting them to be izone the sequel but the minute they werent they were mad and we all know that if they have been izone 2.0 people would still be mad. i truly hope kep1er members find happiness and joy in their future careers and create great final memories in their last 6 months. They've worked so hard and got payed dust and if i could turn back time to prevent all of this from happening i would. I just know kep1er would be appreciated the minute they disband :(

[@annamann8659]

I finished the video and I agree with you. I will definitely miss Kepler as a group even though I know in my head that they will probably end up happier once they go there separate ways. I’m still gonna miss the days where we had all nine of our girls shining on stage. I hope they all find success in no matter what career path they take ❤❤ o9 forever

[@almondm1lkk]

The last section of the video really brought tears to my eyes bc it's exactly what I'm feeling 🥹 I'm also an OT9 Kep1ian from Germany and I would give everythinggg to be able to see them before they disband, I have money saved and my Lightstick ready 🥹 I'm so sad that they will disband soon, but as you said, it's sadly the best for them :( I've also been a fan since the first episode of GP999 aired and have bought every album ever since debut & always supported them, but have never been too active in the fandome (e.g. on twitter) bc, as you said, it's soooo hard to find OT9 kep1ians... I followed some accs that looked nice only to see them drag another member a few hours later, so I eventually gave up...

[@alaaye5237]

Thank you for not tearing Dayeon down in this video, I’m glad you realize it’s the company’s fault and not hers 😭 so many ppl hate and harass Dayeon to the point she’s started developing an eating disorder and hating herself. Thank you for acknowledging her talent while also acknowledging that others are mistreated.

[@shirosflower]

Breaks my fucking heart, the kepi girls don’t deserve any of the shit they got. Kpop stans are so cruel, just as cruel as the industry theyre in

[@mememe2314]

had wakeone just promoted hiyyih more and given her more lines and spotlight from the beginning then the group could’ve been even more successful. hopefully hiyyih’s next group utilizes her more

[@xiaotingles]

She is literally amongst the better vocalists in the group, you'll never catch her slipping when it comes to delivering vocals. W1 & antis have made y'all believe that the girl can't sing when she ACTUALLY can & well at that. Also, kep1ians & her solo stans only want what's best for her and for her to get treated fairly. The group could've been doing better if W1 treated the girls right and took action againt antis- especially the ot8s who were ultimately the downfall of the group@@vixxexo6855

[@mememe2314]

@@vixxexo6855 she’s not the weakest vocal in the group and actually she’s one of the more stable vocalist. a lot of people hated the debut because of how she didn’t get lines and that’s a fact. her not getting lines was also why we fresh was hated. but it doesn’t matter anyway because her next group will be better than whatever kepler was

[@kayliawilson8842]

She's honestly not he weakest vocal in kepler ​@@vixxexo6855

[@mylovechoerry2233]

​@@vixxexo6855 Yeah most hiyyihlight are either hybestan, armyhiyyihlight, moahiyyihlight that token stan bahiyyih and love to harass kepian even the casual ones, attack dayeon and spread anti-kep1er propaganda on any kep1er related content. That's why she has the lowest number of sales with dayeon for individuals merchs sales. They are loud and proud but when it's time to open their purse they are nowhere to be seen that's why for me they are worst than lisa stan. One of the worst thing about it is like I feel Iike she could have gained more fan over time looking at how she has improved greatly in every area if that was not for her deranged fanbase that the silent majority don't want to be associated with.

[@mememe2314]

@@mylovechoerry2233almost everything you’ve said here is so false lmao

[@un3hcorn]

ha ha can't wait for people to start switching up as soon as they disband 🫠 sweet darling kep1 girls deserve so so much better than what has been thrown at them continuously these past two years

[@suzyocean7392]

Not a keplian but a casual listener (their b-sides are genuinely good) and find the girls very charming and talented. It's a shame their company clearly isn't giving them the creative concepts & promotions they deserve. Compare this to ZB1 that have a very clear conceptual and musical direction

[@Stay_Zerose]

11:19 IVE could only step outside the box because they had a signature sound to begin with, but it also didn't come out of total left field, Love Dive definitely had girl crush elements to it and so did royal which was their biggest b-side, Kitsch may not have been loved at first but it's streams showed that it really grew on people. Baddie also infused enough of the elegant sound to their post chorus and pre-chorus that it didn't feel like a completely different group, it was also released along side two more elegant slow tempo songs to give the audience a broader scope of their sound but also give the audience range to listen to, if you didn't like Baddie you could listen to Either way or Off the Record. Kepler does have a really great discography particularly in their b-sides that absolutely stack up to the other big groups but the problem is the audience tends to have to find it themselves. Kepler needed to create a standard to be able to subvert it, then they had to infuse elements of the standard into the outlier to make it seem cohesive. Groups like TXT and G-idle are able to switch up their sound every comeback but they have also got years to build and maintain their fanbases, Kepler doesn't.

[@sakuta_kun]

But fr kep1er could've made it big if they stuck with the space concept because by the end of 2022 the two other groups with this concept, those being wjsn and loona, were more or less inactive/disbanded

[@u72174]

true but kpop stans have dead braincells so when wakeone realized that ppl liked up (the brighter side of kep1er) more than the spacey concept they switched and became cats and galileo lovers 😭😭

[@dzrmgkva]

Kep1er have a concept! For me they are kids bops, with electronic sound. Locations and some performances looking like video game. Kpop stans just mad that it's not sexy or lesserafim -ish

[@V_OmegA]

Well, I'm not a Kepl1an, but from all the videos making a point (many, even) about Kep1er, this one is the best. Good job. I even had the feeling that the AI voice was sobbing sometimes 😂 After watching the Tokyo concert, I realized that they all are incredible performers, and MVSK became one of my fav' kpop song of all time and in my top 5 daily playlist. But I'm not as pessimistic as you are about their future after Kep1er. Time will tell. Anyway, thx for the time you spent on this video.💯

[@jazmyn3931]

I am definitely not the first person to have said this but Kep1er and gp999 was very obviously just a guinea pig project for mnet and wakeone. After their whole scandal and the widespread hate mnet receives when the company does pretty much anything 💀 they knew that they were gonna have to make big changes going forward. The survival show format has produced some of the most iconic groups in the industry and they needed to make sure they could continue to replicate that success and that is where gp999 came in. They used the show and Kep1er to test the waters of the post produce industry. Also I think part of the disparities in treatment of Kep1er and Zb1 could be in part of both groups’ popularity. Even bp999 was more popular that gp999 and while some people were upset with the outcome of bp999 it seemed like nothing compared to the disappointment and dissatisfaction of gp999 watchers all the way up to Kep1er’s debut. Even now Kep1er still get copious amounts of hate or seem to constantly disappoint fans with their comebacks while Zb1 has had little to no problems with everything that they’ve done so far (which is partially due to the disparities in treatment). I’m probably just restating things that were already stated in the video but I think about this almost everytime Kep1er is brought up.

[@vane5088]

Their downfall started the day their own fandom throw hate to one of the members to the point they actually created a whole blue house petition 💀 What can u expect from something that started that way? At this point, I'm just hoping they rush their disbandment 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@mylovechoerry2233]

Lol moas playing the victims when it's your fault.

[@vane5088]

@@mylovechoerry2233 ??? What are you talking about? 💀 How is it the fault of a completely different fandom how evil kep1ians were (and some still are) towards Hiyyih?

[@edenmelaniee]

@@mylovechoerry2233 girl you’re a hiyyih anti no ne cares what you think smh

[@mylovechoerry2233]

@@vane5088 stop the victimisation yall incels bg stan voted her in because of to satisfy your oppa, when the public gg stan was CLEAR on the fact that they didn't want her. Now you want to play the victim when it's yall put her in this group, nobody forced you, you knew outside of hybestan people didn't want her now you act shock that they still don't like her and yall want kep1er to disband??? What's the point of even put her in, wasted a place that could have gone to someone else. Waste of time. the worst thing about this situation is that yall not even buying bahiyyih shit so most of you are only token bg stan.

[@vane5088]

@@mylovechoerry2233 what was all that nonsense??! This is how I know you don't even follow Kep1er's career. When you can speak coherently with real facts, then we can have a real argument 🤗 To your information, Hiyyih's merch is one of the most expensive and demanded between her group. It's other members you should be worried about. Her fans are exactly that: HER fans. They are in NO WAY obligated to buy the group merch. Some of them do and they spend thousands 😅 Not ALL of them are bg/GG stans, Not all of them are her brother's group fans either. Whenever you'd like to actually LEARN that, you'll get surprised 😉

[@jay4star]

You just said everything I had in mind! Tysm for this video! As a Kep1ian I rlly wish more ppl would understand that!

[@neverlandlv9]

I swear, kpop fans have such high standards and it’s getting so old. Stand are hating on some decent songs and yet still say “the concept is bad” and when they switch concepts they want the old one back. It’s not just Kep1er it’s a lot of groups

[@randomasheavn]

mentally checked out from the moment hiyyih was getting mistreated. you don’t take a member-especially the most popular member, and treat them like utter trash. there’s a lot you’ve left out about hiyyih but it’s okay. it would require you to be honest about the members themselves.

[@mylovechoerry2233]

She is the most famous but the least popular in the group. Yall delulu

[@randomasheavn]

@@mylovechoerry2233 ????

[@notpregnant]

''the most popular'' lmao nice troll ! maybe the more known bc of her controversy but kick that drag out and 100% the group state will get better

[@edenmelaniee]

@@notpregnant you’re very odd babes. bahiyyih is popular and loved cry

[@notpregnant]

​@@edenmelaniee only by horseridding fans and her own brother fandom babe should be singular form. and i'm not even an english speaker so fix that real quick Melanie, bcuz i would be embarassed if i was you

[@CJesss]

When you listed all the cruel hateful things said and done to Bahiyyih my heart started aching so much for her. The fact that she's not even problematic at all and she seems so sweet. I don't get why this immense hate was directed at her, what tf did she do wrong? She didn't ask those people to vote for her, hate them not her, she didn't ask to have not-so-good skills, she didn't ask for Hueningkai to be mentionned by mnet, she didn't ask to be his sister. Like bro she was just there trying to be an idol like everyone else. She's so strong for apparently withstanding this. Any of those lowlife haters being put in her shoes for a minute would quit immediately

[@goyangzi2652]

I've been a KEP1IAN since my debut, with a Choi yujin and a Hiyyih Bais. And it's deeply sadest me that 1. they gonna disband the song and that they haven't reached their full potential and 2. The hate that Hiyyih got was unfair and had no good reason, she had not done anything wrong. Their music is awesome, I love Giddy and Wadada.

[@k.a._135]

Hello I'm an ot9 kep1ian. Most of us just chill on discord and don't really engage with fanfom drama.

[@katierodrigo5893]

No because you’ve made a lot of good points. The way that Kep1er became the punching bag for k-pop stans is ridiculous. I’ll really miss them when they disband

[@cursedwyvern3044]

I think that Kepler have definitely solidified their concept more - and although Up! wasn’t THE marker of an unstable concept, I DO think that it still shows bad management. They should have kept it for the following year - they don’t have a storyline or concept development so it wouldn’t have been out of place after Galileo or Back to the City. The poor management here was not the fact that it existed, the poor management is that it was shoved out right after their debut - where it would have been easy to know that they’d be criticised for a concept change. They would have been better off going wa da da - we fresh - giddy - up - although with the obvious switches to make mvsk, back to the city etc title tracks or more promoted. This would have helped them solidify a concept, and although they would still have A LOT of issues, concept changes would not be one.

[@Catchouyu]

I feel so bad for kep1er, i hope they go viral again before they disband :(

[@EvaAli-qi1mv]

I love the fact that how you presented each and every point unbiased and properly. Also I love that all my thoughts are present in this video. I have been following kep1er since pre debut and they should not be receiving this much hate. I will not force anyone to love them but at least don't hate them. Each and every member has worked hard to achieve their position in the group. And I will say k stans are very hypocritical. Also wakeone is useless.

[@kiravarga3880]

Kep1er has been getting hate SINCE FOREVER BRO and now that the disbandment is coming (I'm still hoping they can stay bc wakeone is talking with the companys but :((...) everyone in their mother is posting about it (especially on tiktok) it's so irritating bro. "I will miss kep1er so much" where was this energy when they were getting hate. Why would you say you are a kep1ian and then ignore when they actually do something or are in need. The switch up is crazy Update: I made the Izone comment and I have to agree with everything you said. Literally my thoughts exactly. Thank you for talking about this :DD

[@albarr953]

11:23 Not to take away to your point, just adding context. The thing with Baddie was that it wasn't the only title track on that EP. Either Way and Off The Record were released as singles before Baddie dropped, and those were somewhat different of IVE's usual style, so people weren't caught too off guard when Baddie released. I observed that kpop stans welcome concept changes, whetever they are permanent or temporary, as long as they are forshadowed and/or they make the fans warm up to it gradually (usually). Red Velvet, Billlie and (G)I-DLE are examples of this. Though yeah, sometimes, kpop stans are annoying about this ngl. We can have discussions about this and more aspects of the creative part of kpop, but I always draw the line at hating members of group. If you don't like a group for whatever reason (music, concept, not a fan of their vocal colors, etc), fine. But sending hate is off limits. It's important to recognize your bias, positive or negative, whenever you talk about groups, to not devolve into hate. Remember people, criticism and discussions are okay, hate is not

[@kadi_gnigue]

i also think wakeone added fuel on the fire by treating hiyyiy the way they did during their debut era. like its something what fan have to say about idols skill but when the company literally legimated what they said they'll even go harder against this member. I honestly think, if hiyyih wasn't treated that way by the company so sooo many things could'have been different

[@mylovechoerry2233]

Not at all 😂

[@LucyDawg]

I know this video is 3 months old, but I’m very worried for their final album and the reception from everyone nearing its release. I’ve been stanning since GP999 and even bought a signed album before WaDaDa released. The industry is become more toxic by the second, so I’m worried about their post-disbandment activities. I just hope they don’t suffer massive hate once they re debut, and I wish the best for Yujin if she decides she done with the industry.

[@wandeesthoughts]

W1 is so incompetent who has a comeback during Chuseok?

[@melissangwenya]

the sad part about all of this is the cycle continues coz k-youtube is starting to do the same thing they did to Kep1ian to ZB1

[@HopeeInk]

I kinda agree on the concept thing. It went electro, bright, electro bright with the brighter concepts being obvious summer releases like many groups do.

[@jody286]

People are sometimes genuinely confused when I say i’m ot9 kep1ian

[@xiaorina]

i just hope we can get at least one full album before they disband liiikkkkkeeeeeee.........even simply 8 songs will be fine

[@pomegranateoats]

I'm a new Keplian & OT9 stan who wasn't around during GP999 and I completely agree with you, the hate and disrespect that Kep1er gets is so unjustified and irritating. What got me into Kep1er were their synchronization when doing choreos & the members voices, espc hikaru #bias, and their group's concept which felt new and fresh (reference lol) to me especially during Love Struck and I eventually grew to love their whole discography; as a new fan I was hyped to hear that they were abt to drop a new album in sept (Magic Hour) and I loved it, later on I started to learn about their mistreatment and even witnessed it in real time during their JP tour for Magic Hour where wk1 egregiously failed to promote Kep1er's new JP cb 'Fly-high' which I wasn't even aware were original songs og to Kepi until the MAMA's (insane performances I loved every bit of it). I started becoming an active stan ever since the MAMA's. I'm also very saddened that my time with Kep1er will be cut short once d* day comes but I've been focusing my energy more onto supporting all our girlies now & in the future. Thank you for speaking up for our girls🫶

[@iiSaeJN]

Honestly seeing how w1 handles kep1er just gets me scared for whats going to happen to zb1

[@gogoo2447]

ZB1 is safe when you watch their promotions and popularity.. Okayy we can see with Ricky some bad things but it s nothing if you see Kep1er treatment

[@iiSaeJN]

@@gogoo2447 True but still, if another group takes the spotlight zb1 may be next sadly

[@joyofamoras12]

I love kep1er so much, these girls are very talented and charismatic, their songs are very good, especially we fresh (❁´◡`❁)

[@Worldwarv]

I feel you on pretty much everything you said I love all the members @ this point I just don't see entertainers in general especially 1st young 2nd female 3rd asian entertainers and their supposed to be temporary but I supper hope they get a extension or become a full time 7 year contract group but at the same time I thought that about izone and kinda wish they could find a way to like be izone and all the solos and groups too what would that concert look like izone con maybe but they are so talented they might never get the right treatment or chance to shine in Kepler I mean did they really turn down a deal with Dior that's artist sabotage 😮 bahiyyih is be one of the most distinctively beautiful women period I've never even heard of someone with her ancestry but it's so much going on with them I'm just going to enjoy what I can while I can and thank you and everyone for standing up for them ✌🏾💯

[@5autumndream]

I haven’t finished the video yet and I really want to return to it, but I wonder what would’ve happened if kep1er did not go on queendom. Because I think it was too early for them, not because I don’t think they were talented enough but because they had a tiny discography and again didn’t have a cohesive concept yet. I agree with you about up! That was literally my most played song of 2022. I know we will never know, but if kep1er went from wa da da to we fresh or the way you explained it with girls (can’t turn me down) I think it could’ve been better for them. If they had established an initial sound with wa da da to we fresh, maybe stans would’ve been more open to up! It makes me so incredibly frustrated to the point of tears knowing how good it could’ve been. How it should’ve been. Knowing how good their albums are, how much heart they have makes me extremely disheartened. I know they’re popular as hell in Japan, but the fact that they’re K-pop’s punching bag all the time just makes me wish better for them. I’ve supported them since debut and will support them til the end. Hiyyih being globally popular seems like something wakeone doesnt want to nurture for some reason, and I could speculate it’s cause when groups are too popular globally then the k market tends to turn on them .. but i don’t have any real basis for such an opinion. It’s really horrible, she didn’t deserve any of the hate. It’s not like she was my top pick during the show, but I know I can appreciate her now. The dior sponsorship thing is so sad to hear.

[@mylovechoerry2233]

"Globally popular"??? You mean hyped up by hybe bg stan who won't spend one penny on her or kep1er because they are bg stan and because they don't care enough about her as a person because who they truly care about its kai no matter if they are his akagaes or anti. 😅

[@5autumndream]

@@mylovechoerry2233 I mean I agree with you on that front, I witnessed it at Kcon myself. The amount of cheers she got in comparison to the other members, at least. I think Wakeone didn't even give her the opportunity to show her personality as much as they could have. When I say she's popular I just mean she's more well known globally versus in kr where no one gives her gifts at fansigns etc.

[@talkinglion3223]

28:40 no hate, but Chaehyun as an center just doesnt make sense. You even said it yourself she doesnt fit the role of being a center.

[@txt.moa_luvs]

Then you must have misunderstood me because the only thing I said is that Chaehyun doesn’t excel in performance and dance which is what most centers are known for, not that she’s unfit for being a center. I even mentioned that she isn’t a terrible performer and that she has been maintaining her role quite well.

[@mylovechoerry2233]

​@@txt.moa_luvs Chaehyun is actually the best performance in kep1er she just doesn't have preominant facial structure that's why she doesn't stick out. Xiaoting stick out the most because out of all kep1er members she has the most preominant feature and she one of the tallest with long limbs which great for idol dancing.

[@gdragon42069]

lowkey i feel like the root of at least half of these issues is w1 seeing female idols as inherently less profitable because the public is much less forgiving w them on average.

[@Vin_heh]

I donr have anything to add, but i want to say that girls don't deserve so many shit which they got. This world is too cruel… They are amazing,their music is so cool(especially Doublast,very specific choice, but i like it). They returned me in K-pop 2 years ago,I so love them:(( I hope that their last 6 month(i am not crying, it is rain) will be the best time for them(( Back to the Kep1er city💜

[@yuribaka4809]

Congrats this is your most viewed video in a short amount of time🎉🎉🎉❤

[@Teeeeooo]

im a keplian and i literally love all of their song. We fresh is def my fave tt (im also ot9 they were my top 6 artist in 2023)

[@sweetyeseo]

we fresh is a masterpiece, the only bad thing about it is the ld :((

[@bahiyyih09]

If Kep1er debuted under a big company like hybe , they would be ruling the world rn

[@mxiulivs]

Everything in this video was explained PERFECTLY!

[@carolveltin8720]

First….i adore Kepler! I watched GP999 from the start and as they announced the order of winners I was very confused by a few. I understand now that Bahiyyih has a following in Korea, at the time I and as watching the show, she was never a thought to me. It’s not hate, it’s just my viewing experience. Since forming Kepler I felt Bahiyyih needed a lot of work. She had no facial expressions and you could actually see her concentrating on her next moves. She has come a long way in my opinion, but I’m still curious how someone that didn’t rank in top 9 throughout the show came in 2nd overall. Personally I’m against underager’s, so to me the youngest shouldn’t be there to begin with. Yes, a couple of them are very talented but a couple are too kid like. Dayeon is one multi talented young lady and deserves to be there. Xiaoting ranked top two from day one and I was stunned she came in last…especially with Yurina not making it as she was also top two throughout the show. BoRA & Chayeon were my top two vocalists, my personal feeling isBoRa is too good for these type shows but always nice watching her perform. Mashiro was so sweet from day one, but I like her voice better than most as it’s lower than most of the high pitched whinny voices on the show. She’s also very beautiful and when she speaks (regardless of which language), she’s very mature and well spoken. I did vote for Yujin, but was honestly disappointed with how child like she became especially after watching her on Queendom. She is not mature at all, so makes me wonder. I am not bashing any of these girls, I see the talent in all and personally love watching Kepler, they are great entertainment…not just simply a singing group. They know how to utilize the stage!

[@bernardsih5987]

Yujin is always childlike since her CLC days, she did not change, that is her personality. I do not know how she should be more mature. If you follow her since her CLC days, you know that is the real Yujin. Her personality offscreen is always youthful and bubbly despite her age. I think she was trying to be more mature when she was competing in gp999 and Queendom 2 since she is leading the group and has to show that she is responsible for the group when it is onscreen.

[@vinsukun_]

Kep1er is a great group. Maybe I'm biased for liking the final lineup immediately upon announcement, but I liked them since the beginning. Idk..every single release has been good to me to varying degrees and I've just been vibing and enjoying the music. Their performances are incredible too. They have great chemistry as a performance team and all the members are very talented and visuals. People hating them for "not having a sound or direction" need to remember this is 1. a project group (I would HOPE they get to showcase as many concepts and sounds as possible in a short time) and 2. they are a kpop group......if you are not for example Dreamcatcher or something chances are your group is going to experiment with different concepts, sounds and directions to gain different fans. So why the hate? I haven't, don't and will never get it. I don't even think they "don't have a sound"...I feel like everything they've done has been EXTREMELY "Kep1er". Hating the company for underpromoting the girls individually is one thing, but hating the entire group or calling them a mess or flops is completely off map in my opinion. It just shows most Kpop stans like groups for their status rather than the sound or members themselves. Very sad, especially since I think they're looking and performing their best right now, 5 months before disbandment. Kep1er didn't fail in KPOP, kpop failed Kep1er.

[@eethan_]

All of the things I want to say is here so thank you very much. Very well said

[@chelleange1s]

i 100% agree abt keplians being 9 solo fandoms forced to get along & i think it’s why the fandom has gone up in flames & there’s not many ot9 stans, ot9 fanbase pages, or ppl interacting with said fanbases unless it’s a certain member they bias. i think this came from after gp999 where ppl misdirected their anger for mnet towards the kep1er members & didn’t see the problem in talking shit abt a certain member. these ppl were a loud majority who many ppl unfortunately agreed with. the ones who did speak out abt these fan pages were small & drowned out by the majority.

[@goldyd144]

As a Kep1ian since GP999, Kep1er's disbandment is going to feel bittersweet. I love the members; I love how I got to watch their relationship form and grow over the past 2 years; I love the music; I love their performances and content, etc. But W1 fumbled the bag _hard_ with Kep1er. So I know that, even if they never reach the same popularity outside of Kep1er, they're gonna be better off not being managed by W1. I'm going to miss experiencing Kep1er as a group, but I'll be excited to see what new opportunities they have too ❤

[@bahiyyih09]

Kep1er is the best 4th gen gg I SAID WHAT I SAID

[@goddessjihyopark]

I will never understand the hate towards these girls. Same can be said to my girls Itzy and Twice.

[@u72174]

begging kpop stans to leave kep1er alone for their final 6 months

[@Taerae_bear]

I used to go on TikTok live with my cousin and we spammed people to put we fresh on 😭

[@txt.moa_luvs]

You and your cousin are officially my new favorite people

[@medneyday3379]

Chaehyun is hated as a center, because she doesnt embody what a center needs to be

[@mylovechoerry2233]

The problem with chaehyun is that her facial features are too delicate so they don't standout, she must look extremely pretty in real life but on stage light her facial features are overshadowed by people like xiaoting who way stronger and preominant facial features, same for wonyoung and Karina. That's truly her only problem because performance wise she is easily in the top 3.

[@marketamala1032]

People just think that anyone who isn't in the top 3 most popular groups is a flop... that said, i think that if some kep1er bsides were title tracks instead, or at least promoted, they might be more popular. And yes, i do hate we fresh.

[@San-yp4hm]

To be honest baddie actually did get a lot of hate and was considered a flop until it slowly started to rise but i do agree with you i didn't really understand when people said they switched concepts when they released we fresh because i thought everyone knew that was their sound but i swear to god people don't actually care about concepts or sounds they just wanted a reason to hate on kep1er watch them say "kep1er had no skips" from people who didn't even care about them after they disband

[@txt.moa_luvs]

Honestly, sorry if I go off topic, but can we like talk about how starting 2022 everyone and their mother started caring so much, way too much even, about groups having a “signature sound and concept” that they need to stick to permanently? Like why do I feel like everyone got so nit picky on Kpop groups maintaining their “typical sound that anyone can recognize” that year specifically cuz in the years before I NEVER heard anyone say “oh this doesn’t even feel like a group xyz song” or complain about groups changing up musical styles and direction every other comeback, or maybe that’s just me. And yeah, I agree with you, watch everyone switch up sides REAL QUICK once Kep1er disbands.

[@kailasdandekar8103]

If u hate kep1er u failed at life Like the best gg discography

[@HopeeInk]

I kinda wanna disagree on the Wonyoung, she’s absolutely a born center, but the way that netizens ripped her apart from the moment she debuted in IzOne to today is kinda unmatched. That poor kid is despised by many. It’s truly unhinged how much hate a 14 year old got. I would even argue that it’s quite similar if not even worst to hiyyih’s hate. She got flag from every side: her debuting that young, her making center instead of Sakura (I mean that was kinda crazy if you watched the show), her sticking out. People called her prostitute, tried to link her to the mafia and even bullying. She was 14 and she still gets the same energy most of the time.

[@HABILOBBY]

31:30 i love we fresh to girl 😭

[@luv-like.a.papercut]

i always wonder if the girls would be better off in other companies. i like kepler but i'm always really frustrated with xiaoting and bahhiyi's lack of lines, but whenever i think "oh, they're probably better off in any other company" i remember those companies that only post about their idols every 5 months and its just random instagram posts. i'm definitely not happy now still to be really frank

[@mylovechoerry2233]

The only one who seems to care is 143ent lol.

[@noc4392]

11:20 "they're just trying new things" it seems like kpop stans are very selective about who can and can't try new concepts 😭, an example is Itzy, everyone said they wanted to see them in a new concept, but when it changed and obviously they didn't do the same style, they just complained and started criticizing the girls for trying different concepts. 30:53 girl I loved we fresh since the beginning, it was just so charming and entertaining and the visuals were really good, the choreography was so funny and enjoyable yo watch, like god damn I really loved that song but then I saw everyone’s reaction to it and I even felt bad for the fact I like it.😭 In conclusion, many kpop stans are too immature and hypocritical, the girls never did anything that really made them deserve all that hate, I think kep1er was tangled up between very bad coincidences, like being the first mnet group after their scandal, being the "successors" to izone, debuting in a year in which many very famous girl groups debuted or made a comeback and being under a terrible company that only used them to make sure that boys planet did well (I say this without the intention of throwing hate at the guys from zb1 because they are not to blame for anything, also screw you wake one) and the saddest thing about the case is that the girls are fucking talented, if the company had taken the time to do things right like giving them a good promotion or not getting into scandals for his poor care of the girls, I think Kep1er would have done so well. As much as I would like to see them together longer, I know that they will do better once the contract ends (except for Chaehyun because she still has a contract with the company 😭) because Wake One doesn't deserve them and I really pray that they are good at what they decide to do.

[@txt.moa_luvs]

It’s like ITZY did the self love teen crush concept for three albums and everyone was like “ugh I’m so sick of this whole I love myself trope give me something else”, then “Not Shy” came out and everyone was like “omg this is not Itzy bring the old Itzy back.” Can you like make up your mind 😭

[@noc4392]

@@txt.moa_luvs fuck yes!! Is so frustrating like its totally fine if you don't like it but whats the necessity to complain bout something so superficial like a change of concept? Weren't you all asking for it? At the first moment it was something different that they didn't like they just left the group saying "they're not the same, bring my girls back" and its like gurl there are right there, like its totally fine if you don't like the new style or the new vibe or what ever but that doesn't give you the right to hate on them and i just really hate how many people just start normalize hating on itzy since sneakers, im not gonna lie, it's not my fave song ever but its pretty fine, i think the reason it got so many hate was because first the teaser trailer of the concept had shown an elegant style that didn't happened and the second one was just because itzy were the one's doing it, like, if you really think of it, sneakers its not really a bad song its just that it was an itzy song, like how do the teen girl crush group its doing know a a funky, funny, cute song with no dance break?!?!? Even do everyone was asking for a change and diversification in their music and its just trigger's me out like did y'all expect them to be the same forever 😭😭? Like, they're not going to be teens for ever and as much as im not the biggest fan of sneakers im her biggest defender and hear me out BOYS LIKE YOU, CHESIRE AND CAKE ARE SO GOOD BUT Y'ALL NOT READY FOR THAT CONVERSATION 🗣️🗣️🗣️❗❗❗ the conclusion here its that i cant talk for thing like these for hours but i cant even write well in my own lenguage so sometimes its hard writing opinions that are so long in my second lenguage 😭😭

[@txt.moa_luvs]

@@noc4392 agreed Boys Like You, Cheshire and Cake are so 🤩

[@noc4392]

@@txt.moa_luvs chae high note in boys like you is so 😻😻😻

[@--5265]

Wk1 are so fucking stupid all of kep1 are great dancers (standouts: Xiaoting, Hikaru, Yeseo, Dayeon) and kep1 have great vocalists (Chaehyun, Yujin, Yeseo, Youngeun, Hiyyih) and 2 great rappers (Dayeon, Hikaru) I genuinely think that kep1 could be one of the best dance groups (like ITZY, LESSERAFIM) with a sleek/teen crush/alien concept also having actual cohesive lore (what the fuck was the last chorus scene in up??? it was pretty but it felt so last minute) could be nice bc it can have a actual end that other groups can't provide (they don't need to but im a orbit so...) and having kep1 do covers (Vocal and dance OUTSIDE of festivals) and actually giving them proper promotions like a variety show for kep1er and sending them to variety shows, this I think would defiantly give them 1) fame 2) even out the feeling of favoritism I didn't become a kep1ian during GP999 but during UP era so if theirs anything I missed let me know!

[@me9981]

Kpop fans : this group has the same concept all the time and the songs are all the same Kpop fans : omg why did they change the concept and the style of music People need to get a life. I started to listen to kpop in 2015 with EXO being my first group and through the years I've never seen more people having a problem with groups' music and concept than people have with Blackpink lmao. Never knew Kep1er goes through that shit too. Poor girls. Writing to SK president? I'd expect that from bigger fanbases like Blinks or ARMYs, maybe ExoLs back in the day LMAO . this is funny and sad at the same time.

[@juancarloslectorpiscoya4752]

El problema de Kep1er siempre fue Wake One.

[@spdluv]

I used to be an ot9 keplian until we fresh came out, Wakeone is to blame, they clearly treat bgs better, Kepler has 6 months left until they disband, pls wakeone, RELEASE A BETTER SONG FOR KEPLER!!!!!!!!!

[@districtdalso]

while i agree that many of ur points were contributing factors to kep1ers flop of a career i think the biggest issue was solo stans and the expectation for their conceptual identity to live up to iz*one’s

[@faeriegraver]

I think the biggest problem was going on Queendom, especially so early in their career. But it doesn't make sense to me for a temporary group to go on a survival show like Queendom at all. It was so close to GP999, it must have been draining for the members to do two of these shows practically back to back. But it was also a waste of the limited time they had. Instead they could have focused on group content, and establishing themselves properly.

[@San-yp4hm]

​@@faeriegraver True like they were already really popular I think the company wanted them to go viral but they ended up overworking the poor girls

[@faeriegraver]

@@San-yp4hm I really think Up would have done better if they didn't do Queendom between the debut with Wa Da Da and the comeback. I don't know if I could guess how much better they would have done, like I don't think they'd have been as big as iz*one, especially given the influx of popular rookie girl groups debuting at a similar time as Kep1er. But I think there would have been a lot more interest in their first comeback if not for Queendom. They only had one title track, and one b side when they did the show. It's wild to me.

[@BTSENGENEXGIZNA]

Didnt like the final lineup so didnt support. I like Xiaoting, Youngeun Hikaru tho thats about it. Xiaoting ranking last was a mess 👀

[@kayliawilson8842]

Here me out😬😬😬 i think kepler does have a unique image... exploring different planets and sounds... and i feel like maybe I'm delusional but most of their MV have something related to searching planets and new surrounding.. Wadada, Up even We Fresh, and Galileo they are all similarly different, they where all space and/or teen crush ..... their sound is uniform they do dark scifi space stuff but ppl just trash them since they aren't Izone.... their concept can even be seen in their releases before their song they release mysterious puzzles for fans to figure out, like recentky with the Galileo era they had the whole telescope and space them, they did they same in Up and We fresh.. ppl just don't dive into their lure as much. And my heart breaks for Hiyyih, i can't even imagine what she went through. While I do believe that she benefit from her father and siblings popularity because in China their dad is famously known in for his comedy films... I do know for a fact that Hiyyih worked very hard and still does. I wish nothing but the best for her. I want Kepler to end like tomrw!!!! And I am not going to be upset when they disband I'll be elated!!!! And I am an OT9 stan and a hiyyihlight. I want them to disband so the girls can be away wakeshit. Ps I love We fresh I play it when I'm studying or cleaning or at the gym

[@nnnn-sc2im]

23:30 ok kendall jenner

[@Junjisboi]

the whole reasoning of temp groups is dumb af iz one ioi kepl1er didnt even get a world tour but the boy groups are even w1 the korean public wanted em to stay as a permant group even a 2nd world tour was in talks at sum point but impossibile due to indivual sechules being to packed sad we lost a group like them to being a temp group which is dumb af 2.5yrs we didnt even get that with w1 and x1

[@talkinglion3223]

26:24 I disagree with this. Although I don't agree with the hate Bahiyyih has gotten, you can't compare the popularity Yujin and Yeseo received for being previous idols, they did that themselves. Same with Mashiro and Chaeyhun being popular trainees. Bahiyyih didn't have to do anything for her initial boost of popularity, while the others worked for their "initial boost"

[@ellajeon8509]

cause you don't know her before the show like most of keplians are but the OG hiyyihlights already know her before bc of tiktok, instagram( she had many followers) and her being a model. she have fans already before the show started and have the popularity too but not as what she have now

[@talkinglion3223]

@ellajeon8509 I did know her before.... and guess why I knew of her, because of her brother. If she wasn't Kai's sister her path would have been different and probably more difficult. Her initial boost came from her brother whether ppl want to say it or not

[@freeyoutube-hr8sf]

@@ellajeon8509if she was just an influencer without brother kai, she would still not have debuted. kai's sister will always just be kai's sister. she has nothing without him.

[@edenmelaniee]

@@talkinglion3223is that a problem tho? it’s not an uncommon thing in any industry so idk why y’all villanise her for that when even tho people knew her from kai she gained fans by her own merit

[@talkinglion3223]

@edenmelaniee don't say that I'm villanizing her for pointing out the truth. I didn't say she only made it because of her brother, your assuming that I'm thinking that. What I won't agree with is that ppl are equating Yujin's, Yeseo's, Chaehyun's, and Mashiro's previous hardwork to being someone's sister. That's the only thing I'm pointing out.

[@justbecausedanae]

I'm not really a kep1ian but I liked a lot of their songs. Galileo for me was a bit annoying but Love on lock was pretty good. I liked Giddy. I agree that We Fresh's MV was nice. Not a fan of the song as I'm more into calmer songs. But I've noticed there are a lot of solo stans. I'm mostly a casual listener that listens to their songs. I also stan a group that's not as successful but still has a nice discography. I liked IZ*ONE and I think they were treated better than Kep1er has ever been now. I won't pretend to be a huge fan but it's sad these young girls are getting this much hate. And they didn't deserve it. In Kep1er it's a problem that people never realise their actual talent for example dancing but they always bash on them for singing. It's sad how terrible they're managed. In IVE yes Starshit makes it look like it's Wonyoung, Yujin and friends but at least they are promoting the most popular member(s). In Kep1er that's a problem. Bahiyyih is probably the most biased member and a lot of Kep1ians stayed because of her but is she promoted as good as Wonyoung? No. Is she promoted at all? No. They've done the bare minimum and it's sad because she attracts a lot of people. Cha Eunwoo from Astro was at least promoted solo because he attracts a lot of people. But Fuckone can't be bothered to do so.

[@mylovechoerry2233]

Bahiyyih is famous but not popular, Twitter clout =/= real life popularity. Her fandom is just loud she has one of the lowest sales in the group. If that was not for moa she wouldn't have pass the first elimination in gp999 People stop being delulu its getting tiring.

[@ellajeon8509]

@@mylovechoerry2233 how can you explain her slo platform album being sold out from 20 websites around the world more than from her other members, her only merch being sold out during concerts that they had to restocked again and again.

[@vane5088]

​@@mylovechoerry2233 that doesn't make sense at all cuz her merch is one of the most expensive ones between the group & the most demanded worldwide... Always sold out & difficult to find. If she wasn't popular, she wouldn't be selling at all (which unfortunately I can confirm from other members)

[@chaehyunlvr]

hiyyihs merch almost always sells out first from what ive seen, what are you on about? ask most casual kpop fans or non kep1ians and hiyyih and maybe xiaoting are the only members they know.

[@del__]

JUSTIFIED hate???????????????????

[@txt.moa_luvs]

I should really start using quotation marks from now on in my titles…..

[@jaidaolivia1678]

24:52 I 100% agree that no one deserves the hate that hiyyih has been getting but racism against white people doesn’t exist. Prejudice does for sure though. I think that is a better word to describe the hate that she’s received. Love the video!

[@mylovechoerry2233]

It's not true at all, racism is exist for every race, can we stop believing those weird new age definitions of racism made up by American academic to excuse their racism against white people and futher their political agenda. I am not white but tired of these bullshit that intoxicate my country, these theories don't even make sense when analyzed. Like this is the perfect example of why I hate soft science like sociology and sociologists because an idea doesn't have to actually be true to be popular in these field, these academy are truly eco chamber worst than twitter, that's why they birth generacy. Let stick to the official universally agree upon definition of racism that actually make sense In real life. Let study some Thomas sowell before saying bullshit like that. You all really need that it will open your brain.

[@hch3859]

Wtf are you saying? Racism can exist for any race.

[@luv1ssour_]

um no?? you CAN be racist to white people why are they exempt💀

[@Nanai_mp]

They're gonna come for you (they already are) but I agree all the way. Prejudice is the right word

[@tzxyuaesthetics9338]

i agree with you on the identity part. in their first year i do think they had an identity "we fresh" feels like a natural progression from wadada and "up" is just a summer cb which generally breaks the mould even for groups with a set direction. whether we fresh/wadada are public friendly or the type of music kpop stans currently like / consider good is a totally different topic but i feel like in the 1st year there was very clearly a direction (maybe the wrong one though lol). i feel like mnet may have seen the demand for a cosmic cb but decided the current lineup didn't fit it that well. edit: i will also add that bahiyihh 100% made it into the group bc of kai. she got 0 screentime at all, and if people didn't know about her before there's no way she would've made it based upon the content she got on the show imo. i can understand how people who watched the show and wanted contestants they actually saw grow to be in the lineup but what is crazy is not getting over it afterwards. i've been disappointed with lots of survival show lineups and sm survival shows are "unfair" but normal people get over it

[@ArielSupp]

not getting over a survival show lineup after 2 whole years is actually insane

[@elle_darling]

Hard disagree that Hiyyih got in to the group cuz of Kai…people discovered her cuz of him sure but the majority of people who became her Stan’s did so because of the unprecedented hate train she was getting during the show When someone is getting tons of hate (especially when it’s uncalled for) they get a huge number of very dedicated fans willing to vote them in at any cost Some were also confused on exactly why she was being mentioned so often with no screen time and checked out her Fancams and naturally became fans 🤷‍♀️

[@polar7335]

Bahiyyih sitting pretty with all her girls planet fancams in the millions. She has her owns fans and one day keplians will realize this. This is why hiyyih will always have hiyyihlights

[@april2782]

I came off as a ot9 after gp 999 then ot8 qnd hate made me hiyyih solo stan it's not just me so many of them

[@monyetcerdik9177]

i already predicted their future just overhype fans temporary and today 4th gen group more attractive aura visual and song, stupid decision m-net for exclude visual yurina, duo talent C-line ace suruqi and fuyaning, even mnet can do fan meeting in hongkong or macau also taiwan koishung if china banned kpop inland that still has more money and international fans loyal

[@myjunkdrawer8014]

The weird thing is if Bahiyyih dyed her hair black the company would be more likely to push her forward but she'd probably lose her sparkle with the (normal) audience. Edit - Holy Crap what's wrong with you people?!?

[@edenmelaniee]

huh? what do you mean ?

[@naofg]

i'm an ot9 kep1ian and an ot9 zerose... it's hard out here 🥲