Keris II Ace vs V3 Pro vs Superlight2 -- Are HyperPolling Mice Worth It?

[@alexbretzlaff5461]

Great video - minor correction, the keris does come with a second set of much larger PTFE feet in the package, FYI, for folks that prefer the feeling of the larger feet.

[@mynusten]

@alexbretzlaff5461 thanks for flagging this. I'll pin your comment to the top! 👍

[@WindowFluffer]

That’s even better I was disappointed to see the feet size in this video after my purchase but thought it wasn’t a deal breaker as it was similar to my current mouse. Thats even better I am so glad I bought the Keris now.

[@perspicacity89]

You're a fantastic reviewer. I see big things for your channel. Subbed and liked.

[@mynusten]

@perspicacity89 many thanks for the kind comments and encouragement. Really appreciate it. Continuing to work on my craft and getting better with each video. Appreciate the sub, too. 👊

[@refragged]

I have gone through about 20 mice in the last year and a half trying to find what is "best". I've come to the conclusion that shape is king above all else. I've used 2k/4k/8k, I dunno, I just don't notice a difference. Is it because I'm 40 years old? Maybe. Right now I have narrowed it down between the wired Deathadder V3 Pro and the Keris II Ace. Time will tell. Thanks for the video. I really appreciate how calm, cool, and collected you are in your content. A nice contrast from others in this hobby.

[@mynusten]

@refragged 40! Wow, you are like a spring chicken relative to my aging gaming reflexes! 😄 The underlying tech is legit in that higher polling rates really do tax the CPU, but I wholeheartedly agree with you that its almost impossible to tell the diffeces between 2, 4 and 8K polling. I just received my Deathadder V3 Pro and going to give it a try next week to compare it to the Keris II Ace. Definitely becoming a fan of ergonomic gaming mice, for sure. I should have my video out in a couple weeks. Thanks for your kind comments and appreciate you engaging in my content! 👍

[@WindowFluffer]

@@refragged hey did you ever get either mouse? I was curious I did buy the Keris II Ace and was wondering if you did too how did you like it etc? I honestly hate the deathadder shape when I got it a few years ago off the hype. I returned it in a week.

[@MFN073]

@@WindowFlufferim also considering the keris did you get it?

[@WindowFluffer]

@ I did, and so far so good I haven’t had much time with it it’s been a couple of days and I’ve only played one game so far and haven’t really dialed in my sensitivity yet just used the same settings from the old mouse and it’s already almost night and day better. I had the Steelseries prime wireless for reference it’s a bit small compared to even the Steelseries which also was small I liked it however because I liked to be able to just barely rest my hand on the mouse in sort of a fingertip grip. And it worked well this one being lighter and smaller with enhanced grip on the sides is really interesting for me for that style.. Edit: ooo I should note too I also got the falchion RX LP to replace my SS apex Pro TKL and the two work together off one wireless dongle and the actuation being on a Low profile KB is completely insane tho. And then working together so seamlessly is a nice touch I will have to delve deeper into both with the software some more and get into the macros and stuff to really see how they work.

[@MFN073]

@ so you have a relaxed fingertip grip or a relaxed claw grip? I have a relaxed claw grip and i dont know if the shape is good enough

[@MarbsMusic]

I used a SL for quite a while but really liked how the Glorious D fit my hand... I did have to charge it more often but it was ok... however it died after about 6 months. As I had given my SL to one of my sons when his died I just got a SL2 and been super happy. Like you my reflexes aren't what they were playing Quake 2 Rocket Arena anymore so 2k polling is definitely more than enough for my needs! Great video, was very interested to see if there was a difference!

[@mynusten]

@MarbsMusic The SuperLight2 is a definite classic and the SuperLight series has been my go to mouse for years. After trying the Asus ROG Keris II Ace ergonomic mouse, its hard to go back the the SL2. 2K is plenty fast enough and 8K is completely unneccesary. Always appreciate the engagement!

[@mynusten]

CORRECTED: This is a corrected version of an earlier video where I mistakenly stated Razer's Viper V3 Pro cable is proprietary. It is not proprietary and Razer's Viper V3 Pro cable is manufactured to the USB-IF standard. Shout out to Razer for pointing this out! 👍

[@WindowFluffer]

I’ve disliked Razer for decades they never felt premium enough to me, I haven’t tried anything newer in the last few years now, however I fell in love with Steelseries a decade or so ago. I have since continued with brand loyalty until today. I love this review. And I went with the Keris after a few lengthy reviews as it was the closest size wise to my Steelseries prime wireless that I use now but as a much needed upgrade. I’d never thought I’d go back to a Rog Product as a top tier product line which has similar performance to the Viper v3 pro but at almost $30-$40 cheaper. Thank you for this review. This helped with the final trigger pull so to speak. And it arrives tomorrow can’t wait to get it.

[@mynusten]

All three mice in this video are pretty solid. I couldn't get the Razer to work for me as it just too big for my hands. I also didn't like Razer's implementation for hyper-polling. I've been maining the Keris II Ace for most of this year and I still haven't had another brand dethrone it. In 2024, I've come to the conclusion that the underlying tech is all pretty comparable; thus, mice reviews have really come down to 1) fit for hand (very individual) and 2) build quality. Hope the Keris Ace II works for you. Appreciate the kind remarks, too! 👍

[@iuliani1663]

A few things to add to your review. 1. 4k/8k eating 20% of your CPU - true, you can check this by opening task manager and moving your mouse while on 8k hz and see the CPU spike up. However, if you test it at the same time you will notice that on 1k hz it still eats up to 10-15% CPU instead of 20% so it's not like you throw away 20% of you CPU when running 8k, you "invest" roughly 5-10% more of you CPU into what your system already eats up. Running a 7800x3d and this is what I notice on my end (tested about 7-8 mice from thorn/maya/keris2/viperv3pro/GPX2/GPX1/RXE1PROmax/op18k) 2. Difference between 1k-4k-8k -> playing COD isn't a good way of trying to notice these things as the pacing of the game is too chaotic and fast. In "slower" type games such as CS2/Valorant, there is a clear difference in smoothness, not to mention in situations when you need to spray down your enemy (e.g try to record you spraying on 1/4/8k and watch it in slow motion. The ability of the mouse sending 4000 or 8000 positions per second to the PC/CPU greatly improves the controllability of your spray pattern compared to 1k; ofc it helps you even more so if running 360hz or 540hz.) Otherwise cool vid, just heads up.. your eyes moving when speaking from (your) right to left feels like you're reading off a prompter, not that is a bad thing, it's just a tell.

[@mynusten]

@iuliani1663 Great feedback and I'll take a look at your recommendations. Like you, I'm running a highend AMD CPU, so we may never see the impact on CPU usage since we've got plenty of headroom. Wonder what the CPU usage would be on an older CPU? I'll try out your recommendations. Appreciate the input and feedback! 👍

[@iuliani1663]

@@mynusten I'm not sure about a lower CPU model, and I didn't bother testing on my 13900k before selling it. I think it might be tied to IPCs/Frequency. Also I spotted something odd, the 4k hz setup on all of my mice indeed goes up to 3800-4000hz while the 8k setup goes only up to 2800-3200hz for some reason. I tested 800 dpi all the way to 9600 or so, same result on all mice; not sure if it's a hw limitation or none of 'em can reach 5000-6000 or more hz at all regularly. Oh an yes, I did test this on a solo usb hub, it didn't share power with any other device, plus with the bitsum high performance mode.

[@mynusten]

@@iuliani1663 I'm going to have to do some research on the best way to test these HyperPolling mice. You raise some very good comments and I wonder if there is software that allows testers to isolate PC usage by hardware device? Interesting on the 8K polling. Were you using a webased app or an app on your desktop? As for USB, I always plug the devices into my I/O panel on the back of my gaming rig. Keep sharing your feedback as I want to get better at testing these mice. Currently testing the Glorious Model D2, but it caps out at 1,000 Hz.

[@iuliani1663]

@@mynusten I plug them straight into my mb as well. I used a web based browser, multiple of them. Not sure about something called XLAT that a lot of people are using (hw based), I know it is used for testing latency but not sure about mouse hz ( i mean latency is influenced by mouse hz but not sure about polling rate consistency)

[@mynusten]

@@iuliani1663 I'll check it out for the Glorious Model D2 I'm testing this week. Cheers! 🍻

[@cubinn149]

I got the keris 2 would trade it for any other awesome mouse

[@monsieurtimmy6838]

Nice job ! ❤

[@tigrux]

I use a cheap Ugreen cable to connect the dongle of my Razer mice to my PC.

[@mynusten]

Good to know and glad there are affordable replacement cable options!

[@perspicacity89]

Great video; subbed.

[@Seas0nedChef]

I have the Viper V3 Pro and I am enjoying it , but I notice my hand gets tired very fast. Rn I am using the GPX2 to compare and see which one I will keep

[@mynusten]

@DaBoxGhost84 the Logitech G Pro X SuperLight2 has a much lower profile where the Viper V3 Pro has that bulge in the back that elevates your hand and wrist. For symetrical mice, I'm still partial to the GPX2, for sure. The interesting part about all these gaming mice is their underlying tech is pretty much rock solid across the board. Appreciate your engagement! 👍

[@Seas0nedChef]

@@mynusten I am mostly a palm gripper that dabble in claw sometimes and just notice the feeling in my hand. Both are great.

[@gtf2584]

@@Seas0nedChef you know who else dabbled in claw inspector gadget thats who not sure his polling rate thou

[@KienLe-fb7xg]

Why not adding dav3 pro ?

[@mynusten]

@KienLe-fb7xg All the gear I review, I procure on my own, so I have limited resources to comparisons. The form factors are different, but this video is focused more on hyper-polling, buttons and feet.

[@KienLe-fb7xg]

@@mynusten bringing 2 symmetrical mouses and only 1 ergo. In the end, u like the ergo one, so let be fair u should bring atleast 2 ergos. Btw good video, the keris is a fantastic one however i like the dav3 with my big hand

[@mynusten]

@@KienLe-fb7xg I did another video focused on ergo mice and really coming to the conclusion that the mouse form factor is the key differentiator as all brands now have top-notch, underlying tech - switches, polling rates, DPI, materials. The Razer mice are solid, but a tad bit too big for me. Appreciate the comments! 👍

[@sNova-nf5tj]

If you connect omni receiver with booster with keris and azoth, would keyboard have too 4k hz?

[@mynusten]

@sNova-nf5tj Good question! The Asus ROG Keris II Ace manual says if you connect multiple devices to its Omni receiver, the max mice polling a gamer can acheive is 1000 Hz polling. Apprecaite the question.

[@sNova-nf5tj]

​@@mynusten I like rog devices, and have ROG Azoth as main keyboard, and want to replace my mice, Keris II would be perfect i guess:) Possible idea for next video: Does 4/8k Hz matter on a keyboard? I just remember that Razer has such keyboards, don’t know about others :)

[@mynusten]

@@sNova-nf5tj That's another good question. I'll have to check into the topic and see what's out there to test. On a mouse...the polling rates are real, but they are impossible to perceive. Appreciate you watching my content!

[@Smouchieification]

@@sNova-nf5tj Pretty sure the keyboard is limited to 1k polling, which is more than enough for a keyboard. I have both the Keris II and the Harpe Ace Aimlab edt, im hoping they bring an update to where the Harpe can also support 4k with the booster.

[@mikexda5362]

​@@Smouchieificationhow you compare is harpe ace more comfortable than keris 2

[@phucnguyen0110]

I was a bit confused at the upload day, but yeah - a slight mistake in a nice overall comparison video (in a slower pace, which is refreshing to me at least!)

[@mynusten]

@phucnguyen0110 Razer was kind enough to point out my mistake, so I corrected the video. KZbin makes content creators delete videos and all history, but better to be accurate. Thanks for the kind comments and watching my content!

[@phucnguyen0110]

@@mynusten Ironically these are the 3 mice I would like to get next - I'm currently having the Viper V3 Hyperspeed and the Deathadder V3 wired.

[@mynusten]

@@phucnguyen0110 I just received the Razer Deathadder V3 Pro wireless version and going to spend a week with it before doing a review on ergonomic mice. Haven't tried the V3 Hyperspeed, but will check it out.

[@phucnguyen0110]

@@mynusten it's the budget/initial version of the Viper V3 Pro - basically the same shape with the previous Razer Focus 30k DPI sensor and using removable battery ^^

[@DarkspaceII]

I have a question. The days before yesterday i got Keris II Ace and it felt great. But today i woke up with pain in my fingers. I spend a lot of time using mice per day, so it is getting worse and worse and i think its cause of its shape. The little finger and the one next to it are hurting cause the curve next to the right button is going outside instead of inside making the mouse broader. Since i use palm grip it gives more pressure to those fingers. The question is .. anyone with palm grip having similar problems? And will i ever be able to adapt to it or no? Im over 40 btw.

[@Seas0nedChef]

I feel that it's a little too wide at 67mm for such a short mouse at 120mm length. I feel the middle of my hand stretched and I have to death grip this to feel stable

[@DarkspaceII]

@@Seas0nedChef Still its the most precise mouse i have ever used.. it doesnt need slight corrections ever, wherever i want to put the cursor on, no matter how fast. its unexplainable. If they fix those curves it will be the best mouse for me by miles.

[@mynusten]

@DarkspaceII I hear you on the daily mouse usage. I'm on my computer at least 14 hours per day. Reading your response, I'd recommend visiting an ocupational therapist as you may have medical issues related to your hand that they could address. As for other mice options, I know a lot of folks who have wrist and hand problems often check out Vertical mice. This may be an option to investigate. Appreciate the comment! 👍

[@Seas0nedChef]

@@mynusten i'll look into it

[@DarkspaceII]

@@mynusten I did that long time ago and there was nothing. It happens very rarely when the mouse is very uncomfortable and its too hot so my hand sweats and makes it move harder on the pad.