Razer copied Logitech... but who wins?

[@FuRyHate]

We live in a world where latest wireless mice cost same a 144/165 hz gaming monitor

[@friendsRfor773]

mice are actually harder to make coz u need to test hundro of hands/shapes if u want to make a GPX killer

[@malvinchau2056]

​@@friendsRfor773nowhere close to the complexity of monitors though. R&D for monitors are certainly more expensive than mice.

[@iitsMikeB]

To dethrone the superlight, you must become the superlight.

[@shiion6711]

Because they do marketing better

[@Wyn3e]

Tbh the superlight Alr got fucked

[@iitsMikeB]

@@Wyn3e That's a matter of perspective. I still main the Superlight because the shape is superior to anything else for me.

[@jumpjack15]

It's just preference at this point

[@shiion6711]

@@jumpjack15 nah no one actually prefer gpx shape just that they haven't try a good mouse shape

[@profosist]

I'd disagree that it's trying to be a superlight, as it's larger and far easier to palm. It's more of an ambitious Deathadder v3 than anything.

[@linos1085]

Interesting that you dislike the main buttons so much. I think they are way better than the hard ass clicky ones on the Superlight 2. But, like you said, it is all personal preference.

[@k.w5804]

Superlite 2 or gpx 2? My gpx had good clicks but the gpx2 had worst clicks I’ve encountered

[@linos1085]

@@k.w5804 2. First one was fine, not great, but fine imho

[@KarmaOTS]

@@linos1085 bro my GPX2 buttons are perfect and light, even too light i click them by mistake :l

[@linos1085]

@@KarmaOTS interesting how different these switches can feel

[@markus301]

I own the viper v3 pro and i tried the gpx2 on a store so i can say gpx2 clicks are lighter, faster and sound better. The razer v3 pro clics are a bit harder and feels a bit mushy to press against gpx2.

[@Bettygolbb]

it definitely didnt copy logitech its just a better mouse

[@benji7275]

yeah he's clearly biased towards logitech which is fine but the title is clickbait

[@xvfdu4]

absolutely these Logitech fan boys are fuming

[@benji7275]

@@xvfdu4 yeah its fine to prefer a certain company but making up reasons to why the other company is bad is cringe

[@georgepierre3594]

Razer did copy Logitech. the basilik copied the g502 shape. the deathadder v3, took inspiration from g703 shape. The viper v3, took inspiration from superlight shape. They refined the shape and made it better.

[@Bettygolbb]

@@georgepierre3594 I have tried both the viper v3 pro and the superlight and they do NOT have a similar shape lol

[@Cunkbot]

I used the super light for such a long time, the only mouse to completely win me over is the lamzu thorn. The shape is just perfect for me and I’ve improved in gaming since I’ve received it.

[@Throwaway-hj2rr]

I think it would be great if you could make the comparison of grip width a regular feature of the reviews, maybe even going as far as comparing some previously reviewed mice, like Zowie and others. I personalfly find that it's hard to find this info (reliably) and relying on manufacturer info is misleading, because it states width without taking into account that mice are often more narrow at the point you're supposed to grab them.

[@PinaEverlue]

so what your saying is that if i continue to have issues with my gpx 2 (replacement on the way) i should swap to razor? got it

[@mrjamesinblogington]

If you fingertip or full claw grip, there's a good chance the Viper V3 Pro shape will be a better fit.

[@H-BuyUS]

nice

[@TheThirdeYe1337]

I main the white version and the coating is great. I think I prefer the rougher, more sandpaper-like V2 Pro, but it works. I actually quite like the Razer optical Gen 2 and Gen 3 switches. In the V3 Pro, I find it is surprisingly close to the Kailh mechanicals in the V3 Hyperspeed. Great review.

[@gowthamt9420]

Is it good for people who travel? I'm concerned having that big dongle. If i had a small dongle like old razer mouse then I would just plug it to my laptop and leave it there. I seen there is no small dongle provided in the box.

[@FirstEyeView999]

Have I been living under a rock or has the viper line always been a direct competitor to the Pro Lite? Smdh

[@Gabriel-it5jy]

Super light2 is decent, but the side buttons are mushy af… viper V3 feels amazing. It’s been a whole Lotta time with it yet, but I think I like it over the new final mouse also.

[@Peacekeeper_84]

I stayed away from Razer products since I had a bad experience with their synapse bloatware which is a shame because they do have great products.

[@Funay31]

Since I watched your top gaming mice video, I bought the Deathadder V3 Pro and I can't think myself buying any other mouse, this thing just magically fixed my hand fatigue and my flicking accuracy

[@Harpocrator]

2:10 also game engines have to change the sens to a higher number so can use a higher DPI, there are recent evidence that higher DPI is faster and accurate, for example: 2 x 3200 DPI is better than 8 x 800 DPI

[@Defiancy]

Idk why but the preferred by Zekken thing is hilarious

[@DiamondLobbyReviews]

i've heard it was a strict contract negotiation that razer had to adhere to. no dpi button (preferred by zekken) no zekken

[@Defiancy]

@@DiamondLobbyReviews I was on the edge of whether or not to get this mouse, but as soon as I saw the DPI button (preferred by Zekken), I knew this was my endgame mouse. Immediately ordering 10 copies cause what ever Zekken prefers, I prefer.

[@DiamondLobbyReviews]

if there was an option to only buy the DPI button (preferred by zekken) i would!

[@riccardobaldi4676]

Hi @Diamondlobby reviews, can you do a review about the roccat kone pro pls?

[@twsarahh]

There are so many enthusiast grade mice for a lower price, I'm surprised the superlight is still so popular

[@Jason-rg2ki]

What’re some of the other mice ? :o

[@Drizzle0593]

@@Jason-rg2ki Zaopin z2, lamzu, ninjutsu sora, vxe r1 pro, etc.

[@Jason-rg2ki]

@@Drizzle0593 do you own any ? If you oh do what do you rec ?

[@Natheyy]

@@Drizzle0593 all Chinese clones with little to no support and qc issues

[@kaisasong1332]

@@Drizzle0593 they all got different shape that’s is why super light is still Populat

[@wiz2400]

do u think the difference is worth 55usd more?.The gpx 2 is 125usd and v3 pro is 180usd.thx

[@carricktime6841]

Yes

[@OTVALSKY]

Superlight is very very good, but that scroll wheel encoder keeps breaking, my god it is annoying.

[@debugboiz4383]

I mean the superlight never had anything special there are mice that are lighter have more polling rate and some of them even have debounce time and there are mice with better quality and better sensor

[@EXTRA_SLIDEZ]

What is even The point in 35k dpi? There is no sensitivity that would be able to control that 😂 I use 1.6k and even that feels a bit high

[@HaaKaaL]

I use 1000 and it's perfect

[@pate00711]

its just a way for them to say "i have a better sensor implementation so my mouse can have a higher max dpi" 🤷

[@alextehgreek]

i think its a way of knowing who has better sensor, usually higher dpi the better/newer or more advanced sensor is.

[@ThinkingFaces]

Would you buy a car with a top speed of 70 mph?

[@The33Fun]

You don't even know dpi =//= sensitivity.

[@ricardogomes6888]

do you know if there are any ergo wireless mices on the pipe? something with the confortable format of the 502, basilisk, glorious model i or kone air pro.

[@Kyuss-Unida]

Yes Turtle Beach bought Roccat some time ago and is now bringing the successor to the former Roccat Kone Pure. The Turtle Beach Pure Air will be released in like 10 days.

[@jessechuff]

Been using the Pulsar Xlite V2 and they somewhat recently released the V3. I find their shape fills my palm better than the 502 and definitely more than the Superlight shape. Battery life isn’t the best but the shape is a pretty good trade off for me.

[@Pillokun]

I like the shape of the new viper v3 pro, it feels like a smaller version of dav3/pro. The viper v2 pro felt waaaaaaaaaay too flat and had the side buttons waaaay to far back. This new v3 has the buttons a bit more forward like the dav3/pro. I have small hands but dav3/vv3p feels perfect for mine relaxed claw grip where I want to feel the hump. gxp/2 felt not as bad as vv2p but I had the same issues with it like with vv2p.

[@stefanpapdi5151]

4:14 HAHAHAHAHA THE DONK MOUSE grip in the greatest individual lan tournament of csgo history 1.7 rating holding his mouse with 3 fingers on 2 buttons

[@SSHayden]

What is the problem with their switches though? My last razer mouse was the OG Naga

[@samz101_]

Personally since I have a Razer Viper V2 Pro, I think the feel and how heavy they feel to click is annoying. I have a VXE R1 PRO (knockoff ninjutso sora) and they have huano blue shell pink dots. The pink dots are lighter and more satisfying to click in my opinion.

[@TacticalPew]

Do you need to have synapse installed and running to have more than 1k polling?

[@ketan1338]

You'll have to install synapse to choose your desired settings and after that you can close/uninstall it

[@TacticalPew]

@@ketan1338 yea, that's what I thought too, it's just I've seen a complaint about the polling rate setting specifically not persisting without synapse.

[@DiamondLobbyReviews]

i'd imagine the polling rate swapping when in game is a synapse feature. as something has to detect a full screen application

[@TacticalPew]

@@DiamondLobbyReviews well yes, but the question is not about that feature, it's about the mouse reverting back to 1k polling rate and not keeping that setting in it's memory without synapse running on windows, so practically being 1k polling rate mouse without synapse installed.

[@DiamondLobbyReviews]

The default polling rate you set the mouse to will persist out of synapse.

[@yinchen7823]

which has better battery super light or v3 pro?

[@OblivionDust2719]

I win it’s me I’m ready to get out of bronze now coach!

[@ethyu7467]

what was the red and white mouse they showed at the beginning?

[@DiamondLobbyReviews]

sprime pm1

[@StarOnCheek]

So... I'm in the market for a new mouse after 6 years and what in the happened to it? Why does every mouse look the same??? They are all literally boring office mice. The previous Viper design looks so much cooler, no? Same with Asus Keris, the old one had a very soft design but it still had a design and stood out, the new one looks just like the Superlight. I understand that ergonomics and weight are good to pursue but is weight really that important, and are ergonomics really only possible when you have a slightly deformed sphere as a mouse?

[@mamorris23]

what about the switches don’t you like? you were never specific. they’re light and spammable. WAY better than the gpx2’s opticals, which were way too stiff and heavy to actuate.

[@DiamondLobbyReviews]

they're raesha opticals (modified with razer) which I think are stinky. its just a personal preference thing which is why I didn't hang too much on it. to me they just feel really hollow and cheap. But this is mainly in comparison with mechanical switches (some of which felt amazing) and also the omron opticals which I prefer.

[@P3RF3CTD3ATH]

@@DiamondLobbyReviews they do feel a bit hollow like the Deathadder V3 Pro but better. They're, I don't know how to describe it, tighter? I like it more than the GPX2 but less than the GPX or the GPW. I have a GPW from the original batch without any double clicking issues and the switches are pretty good.

[@iNViSiBiLiTi]

Viper V2 and Deathadder V3 use Raesha encoder. Viper Ult was Kailh.

[@MrGlaicer]

Raesha optical encoder in rebranded Kailh

[@Dank_Engine]

I love my G Pro X Superlight and have never once misclicked my scroll wheel. All I got from this video is *You* don't like any of *Your* Superlights. And that's fine.

[@Miniowns]

Just switched from the superlight to the v3 pro and my god it feels amazing

[@LinhNguyen-rp4dj]

Im going to make the same decision as you, is it good? My hand's length is like 18,5cm. Tbh the GPX is horrible

[@alkestos]

I did the same, 0 regrets.

[@FlyR7]

The viper buttons are way too hard for Fast games like Fortnite editing. I Prefer GPX 2 buttons, they are lighter and mkre responsive, with the VV3 Pro I have oftens moments were I am clicking and the click doesn't go through. Fortnite really needs that responsiveness in less than 1 sec were you edit, shoot, and reset and re-edit, than shooting again. With the Razer I feels I always miss a click in-between which is horrible. The GPX 2 has lighter clicks but much faster, I think the GPX2 Switches are much better. But yeah if you play other games, you won't have this issue.

[@klaudiamueller1960]

i was using the superlight for 10 months, but its just too big for my hands

[@MP_7]

Glad you mentioned the coating, on the original black g pro wireless it was horrible for me. On the V2 pro white it's awesome for me, best coating ever! So I'm kinda worried about this on the V3, holefully it's better on the white version as you say

[@samvelkhalatyan3362]

Hi, can you try Turtle Beach Pure Air and share your impressions?

[@sekki327]

Can someone recommend me few mices for large hands? I tried the sora v2 at a friend's place and its a bit too small

[@thiefsleef6752]

Razer deathadder v3 pro. It’s rated as one of the top 3 best gaming mouse, good for big hands and good to rest your palm on

[@chad_8313]

Yeah we know the G Pro is used heavily in eSports. That's because Logitech sponsors the teams. They insist on their products being used. It's a stupid statistic. It doesn't change the fact the Logitech uses bargain bin Chinese switches, and their "edge" in sensor performance is matched or beat by even cheaper options.

[@Sherolox]

At least the G Pro X Superlight is a good (albeit outdated) Gaming Mouse. Unlike most Gaming Headphones/Headsets that are generally overpriced and easily beaten by audiophile headphones with excellent soundstage.

[@guccipucci69420]

​@@Sheroloxwould you recommend a GPX vs a Viper V3 or GPX2?? They're roughly half the cost right now, only annoyance is no usb c

[@Sherolox]

@@guccipucci69420 Since The GPX2 is unlikely to go on sale, I'd recommend the Viper V3Pro on sale, unless you're fine with a wired Viper 3.

[@Sherolox]

@@guccipucci69420 Viper V3.

[@Sherolox]

@@guccipucci69420 My comment about it magically keeps disappearing, so you have to search elsewhere, sadly

[@vx9330]

'Gold standard of quality, performance, features' comment hasn't aged well with multiple pros have issues with Viper v3s in a CS:2 match recently.

[@existentialrap521]

Just bought a viper 3 over the superlight 2. My superlight is currently dying, so I was just gonna go to the next one, but after seeing many videos I'm going viper. Amazon lets you "try" for 30 days. If I don't like it, I return and get superlight 2. But it just seems better in most categories for the same price.

[@didaka8]

How is it after a week?

[@existentialrap521]

@@didaka8 It's great. I have smaller hands so I like it better than the superlight. Side buttons are a MASSIVE upgrade. Clicks feel better. Feels more responsive. I like it. Only thing I gotta get used to is the scroll wheel. It has smaller intervals than my superlight so I over scroll sometimes, but i'll get used to it, no biggy.

[@Kaluxd]

would be good mouse if you didnt need synapse for the different polling rates.

[@Seas0nedChef]

To be honest the "better mouse" is subjective. Before the VV3 pro, I was using a $65 Dareu A950 pro that I was performing really well on

[@NethanielBee]

the new synapse is much better than S3 tho so it's not terrible anymore

[@adnope]

bro what part of a mouse pcb is supposed to detect whether you're in a game or not 💀

[@badlorant]

Just to note, this mouse doesn't work in minecraft. It has tons of input lag despite being "one of the best." It will only work when directly connected throguh the cable. This kinda defeats the entire wireless purpose. However I am using a USB hub because my laptop doesn't have a USB type A port. Just wanted to throw that out there for anyone buying who plays minecraft. Edit: The problem was the 8k hz polling rate that wasn't supported by the minecraft client I was using (Badlion). If you want to play minecraft I reccomend toning it down to 1k.

[@Ryuj1nM]

I feel like you just contradicted yourself no? Issues could get caused by you using a usb hub on what i assume is a older/low spec laptop, as gaming mice are made for mid to high range computers. Also having a mouse on higher than 1k hz polling is known to cause performance problems on mid to low end systems.

[@badlorant]

@@Ryuj1nM My laptop isn't really low end. It's got a 3050 ti, into I-7 11th gen, 16 gb ddr4.

[@Ryuj1nM]

@@badlorant then i got no clue, probably just your usb hub causing input delay.

[@Shyvorix]

USB hubs can not play nice with some mice that require more bandwidth. I'd recommend trying various ports or use a USB type A female to C male connector for example to see if the bottleneck is the hub or not. It being buggy in wireless mode but not wired makes me think there might be some strange controller interference happening. Also don't ever connect the dongle directly into the hub or laptop, use the cable to give it a few inches of space. USB controllers are notorious for hellish interference.

[@Rudi-Brudi]

Bro your reviews are the best! Informative and entertaining with a good sense of humor. Really like the style. After trying the vxe R1 pro i feel like every mouse over 100€ is overpriced and pure marketing, brand name fees.

[@DelScully]

nothing like saving money for china to put spyware on your computer tho lol

[@frostlcx]

Low key I like the razer v3 pro better and I used the super light 2 for over 18 months idk the shape and texture and sensor r just better also the pulling rate is just more stable if u like gaming at 2k polling like me

[@mrjamesinblogington]

8:42 That's the part that is so sad and amusing about all of this. Logitech sunk a small nation's military budget into R&D, studying a litany of hand dimensions and their respective grip styles, and came out with one of the most accommodating shapes that Logitech doesn't even have a patent on. What this means is that any competitor can come along, copy the shape 1:1, lower the weight, add their own internals, coating, etc., and the shape itself will cost them minimal R&D since Logitech already did the research for them, but yet all these "Superlight killers" refuse to do this.

[@totalfoolhere.5215]

"I can only afford one" While showing us 2 superlights

[@DiamondLobbyReviews]

Original Superlight and Superlight 2!

[@DonnyDonnMendoza]

2:13 the “it’s just big numbers; what matters is what you do with it” is always true but it’ll always be turned into a meme 😂 More seriously though, I would’ve preferred if razer kept the V2 shape and just lightened it and put these internals into it but it’s understandable as to why razer just made a super light clone lol

[@renzeldavid4568]

its the shape of superlight that makes it so good, now put some holes in it and you are golden

[@AwolRemains]

the superlight just looks more aesthetically pleasing making my brain think its better which in-turn makes my aim better

[@BravenTyler]

Lol "copied" more like made it actually a good mouse, and saying just copied when the V3 Hyperspeed been out for awhile now. Logitech sucks I feel sorry for it's fanbase really uneducated

[@inqizzo]

It would be cool if you compared things like aj159 apex, x6 and f1 moba with these big store mice

[@3mar00ss6]

sorry the razer viper 3 pro destroys the GPX the GPX is overpriced. I would buy neither because of the price alone. the pulsar x2h, almost all of the most recent lamzu options and prolly something budget like the phylina s450 are all better options when price:quality ratio is taken into account

[@novell80]

And how many Companies copied the "RAZER DeathAdder"? Often copied, never reached. The DeathAdder! The most sold mouse model in the World.

[@Venserql]

Logitech also sponsors a lot of teams and players and that's why there are so many Superlights among the pros.

[@IdunRedstone]

Not the first time razer has ripped off logitech (or any brand for that matter, seeing as blade was nigh on just a macbook for gaming). The razer basilisk is a pretty shameless rip off of a logi g502.

[@novell80]

And the Logitech G403 a shameless copy of the Razer DeathAdder, the most copied and sold mouse in the World. Often copied, never reached.

[@friendsRfor773]

u can get gpx2 for around 100$ sometimes and it has 4khz with tiny dongle unlike razer

[@jkfdkjjd]

Your tattoos look like a magic eye puzzle

[@34724]

mr warhuryeah will this get me out of div 5?

[@DiamondLobbyReviews]

div5 doesnt exist anymore

[@Defury8285]

As an avid potato shape/logitech hater i'm just glad they finally have competition in non enthusiast space so they might have to actually update their mice.

[@VCM5]

Apparently someone in China is already working on a hotswap switch board for this that takes mechanical switches so if that’s true, 😩

[@lucasskzh5316]

my problem with razer mice is the fact that they scratch so easily :(

[@edhirxtrastrange]

I have a few mice but keep coming back to the og viper. Hated it when I first got it but it grew on me

[@knneth-io3wr]

Daily reminder, audio of your video is still low

[@DiamondLobbyReviews]

Can't you turn yours up?

[@destinamos]

Cool video keep it up, as for the viper I might try it, although it’s a tough sell when I’m already using a gpx

[@edenmolinar2086]

That is the horseshoe crab grip.

[@Stoogie]

had superlight 2 for 2 days couldnt stand it sold it off

[@wby8466]

My friend... Are those Chrome Hearts glasses? Or am i just blind.... But i am sure im not....

[@VexOoo-x7y]

V3 opticals are insane man

[@keithgreen5177]

Can’t copy when it’s better. Logitech isn’t the best mouse….doesnt matter how much they pay you to say that. Smart people know better.

[@3mar00ss6]

pulsar X2H > GPX superlight 2

[@mrkoolylegend]

Company: release a mouse Diamond lobby reviews: omgg they just copied Logitech!! (Not hating)

[@smalfry4134]

Idk how u made a Blade60 sound that dookie💀

[@hugo-samson]

You look like that guys who killed his brother in "Year one". Edit: His name is David Cross I went to look it up xD

[@MarioSanchez-lh7wo]

I got it , it’s hella sick , smooth with good grip .

[@strvy]

Neither, Lamzu solos both

[@xcalamities]

Meh.. I like the fnatix maya 8k and viper v3 about the same.i got smaller hands tho so I use the lamzu one.still both are good options

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

I hate how Viper V3 Pro looks like. Zero personality, looks like any other Chinese OEM mouse.

[@DiamondLobbyReviews]

its just a gaming mouse bro, it doesnt need a personality

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

@@DiamondLobbyReviews True, but at least you knew Viper by look, it stood out with its design. Now? Generic, boring and cheap looking

[@estebanod]

The Viper V3 Pro is simply better, no need to overthink it ...

[@pneuma23093]

I love that Age Of Empires plug🙌🏼

[@m0zart911]

high dpi is just marketing

[@naowz23]

Warhuryeah?!?

[@DiamondLobbyReviews]

yes??

[@naowz23]

@@DiamondLobbyReviews Nothing was just surprised when i recognised your voice.

[@savage3921]

I have 19x10 hands and for me Viper is just too wide.

[@savage3921]

@owencurtis-wood3577 What bothers me the most is the front, which is a bit wider than the middle

[@Wyn3e]

@@savage3921Yh so it’s mainly ur grip ive also got ur hand size and it’s fine

[@kyriakos8020]

1st gen superlight still the best imo

[@Daniel-qn3ek]

Nice DPI bro😂 2:31

[@VANL0WEN]

very good vidéo good job (you need to add timestamps)

[@Seas0nedChef]

I am currently using the Viper V3 pro and am enjoying it, but I also have a gut feeling that I should pick up the GPX2.

[@shinliew2363]

you definitely picked up the better mouse

[@NethanielBee]

the V3 pro is the better choice, the GPX/GPX2 has always been a bad choice (especially shape wise if you have big hands)

[@adnope]

the click sound of gpx2 make my skin crawl, I've always prefer the razer optical switches, don't really know why diamondlobby hates it

[@Seas0nedChef]

@@adnope Some people like tactility of the Mouse switch, so he might feel the Razer opticals are mushy

[@frescojiggs]

Same, I just purchased the viper 3 pro and it's my first razer mouse but I've been using Logitech for 5 years but after the scroll wheel issues😭(especially as a Fortnite player) it just made sense to try something new, doesn't hurt, I'll probably get the gpx2 tho some day

[@srkovkan]

awesome video! the quality is just perfect

[@ediju2816]

2:32 nice

[@ClumsyMercenary]

razer copied the g502, and now this!

[@Wyn3e]

Tbh razer mice despite price is Alr better than Logitech

[@fwabble]

Does it come with a flamingo

[@bart166]

My viper v3 pro has gray stock mouse feet and is way worse than any aftermarket mouse feet. The best stock mouse feet I 've try it was on Razer DaV3. Skates in DaV3 was well rounded, fast & smooth.

[@ShinanigansStudios]

Gpro wireless > superlight

[@andrebwai]

warhuryeah reviews r the best

[@manuelaleandrosiridilone2162]

Form me a big hand guy, is the best mouse

[@bertrandrussell894]

Razer as s company are crap though. Ive had lousy build quality from them and zero customer service. Id be *really* hard pressed to buy any Razer product. I see it as vastly overpriced at the least.

[@BravenTyler]

L take lmao research Logitechs QC issues before you spue such a bad opinion

[@Krugster]

@@BravenTyler both can be crap

[@LordCommanderVex]

@@Krugster I've had nothing but bad experiences with Logitech as a long time 20yr customer. My g502 X breaking was the last straw

[@Krugster]

@@LordCommanderVex I've had issues with both so now my periferaks are from other companies, I have a zowie mouse and a wooting keyboard

[@LordCommanderVex]

@@Krugster those are the GOATS but sadly I have no access to them here :(

[@rodrigofernety]

Razer clears >

[@Redderz]

G305 is the king

[@kolter9eist]

I was waiting for this one 😅😂