Ket Language Structure

Edward Vajda lecture on how Ket language structure was gradually affected by the unrelated neighboring languages. Title: “Areal features in Yeniseian grammaticalization”, a talk given for the symposium Areal patterns of grammaticalization and cross-linguistic variation in grammaticalization scenarios. Mainz, March 12-14, 2015 Recorded by Matthew Anderson, University Communications, Western Washington University.

[@atomharris]

We, the grandchildren of the Dène, have found numerous Tlingit names and words throughout Asia and Europe. One of the most curious was an ancient map that held the name of a village site called “tungusqwan” on the southern shoreline of Lake Baikal. This name in Tlingit is reserved for a seal hunting village. It was some time later that we learned that Lake Baikal has land locked seals and salmon, that were placed there after the world flood. This matches our legends taught to us by our “Eesh” , of the underwater villages that were at the ancient shoreline now known as the continental shelf. At that time when there was a greater light in the day and a lesser light at night. After the flood the grandchildren of “NoaxShaa” , who were the first to see the Sun, moon, and stars, traveled north and west to reach out to those who also survived the flood. Because of this our Elders taught us to guard our tongues, for we have yet to learn how we are all related.

[@vlagavulvin3847]

Surprisingly, thanks a lot for your efforts from the Western Urals.

[@andres6868]

Fun fact: While in internal exile in Turukhansk in 1913-1917, Joseph Stalin lived among the Kets and of the hunted with them

[@jakubolszewski8284]

Woo.

[@decem_sagittae]

What is "fun" about this fact?

[@bodatotalitarian7278]

@@decem_sagittae Everything

[@leovnambo]

Sad fact given the fact of how the Soviet Starr te e would treat these people

[@user-gn6gi2pf6e]

@@leovnamboОбсалютно огласен с вами, я из России живу так же как и кеты, на реке Енисей.

[@acz3er222]

hi im trying to learn ket but i cant find any rescources for it. does anyone know weather a dictionary exists for this language. thanks

[@amacsizbirkisi]

Try libgen, bulk of the resources are in Russian, but try your luck

[@acz3er222]

@@amacsizbirkisi thank you

[@uberkloden]

You know how much intelligence it takes to survive like they did, a lot. Looks like they had it together, portable shelters, tipis, sailboats, etc. Russia messed it up.

[@user-rd2bh6bs8g]

Just like United states with native americans.

[@amnbvcxz8650]

@@user-rd2bh6bs8g No, it’s different. Siberan conquest was different due its more gradual nature, previous contacts and trade going long time ago. And the wars didn’t happen as in America.

[@viisaus7187]

they were caveman level iq

[@Sanzianabel]

good video

[@johanna-hypatiacybeleia2465]

əkŋ də’k kəŋgon, Professor Vajda

[@brodyhill1449]

Johanna-Hypatia Cybeleia Are you Ket?

[@TheBrofessor]

Hey Hypatia, good to see you again! Isn't Prof. Vajda great?

[@melanieliston4034]

Hey those are Díné people 😁 They are related to us ☺❤

[@kew4395]

I don't believe it, not yet, I'm studying the Ket language and the other Turkic Mongolothic and Siberian languages right now and I'll do some comparing with our languages over here in the Americas once I'm done. If we are related it should look something like the modern Romance languages that have their origins with the Roman Latin Language. I'm not saying we are related to the Romans I'm just making a language comparison. Language structure don't mean nothing like this professor or whoever he is, is trying to say. The Mexican Nahuatl language is spoken just like English, structure wise while the Comanche language are spoken backwards like in Latin to make a comparison. I just spent 3 hours dissecting a 2 minute video of the Ket language and pulled up some keywords i'll be using for comparison with our languages over here in the Americas. I also did a DNA test too I have no relations with anyone in Asia at all just here in the Americas. Maybe this is a waste of time but then again I grow sick of this debate and now it time to finally time to put it to and end.

[@dobfrnd3687]

@@kew4395 What are the results?

[@kew4395]

Green Guy still working on it. There are 26 different Turkic, mongolothic and Siberian languages to go through that’s only in Russia not counting Central Asia or Mongolia and lets not forget too the other minority languages in China and south east Asia and poloniesian island chain I will eventually I’ll have to go through too. As for over here in the Western Hemisphere there are 500 Native American languages I have knowledge on about seven of them.

[@reddlinkk6465]

Dinë

[@johnsherfey3675]

@@kew4395 Hasn't it been separated from Na-Dene a lot longer of a time? So, it wouldn't be exactly the same?

[@californiaisland5537]

Tent is qos in Kazakh language,very similar to qu’s. Why?

[@zorronegro229]

There are also some turkic peoples that have been around Siberia before they've probably had contact one time, and sometimes people borrowed words from each other Edit: *Turkic

[@zorronegro229]

@@gawrgura70 lol sorry typo

[@Eugensson]

There are only so many one-syllable words possible. Coincidences happen a lot in linguistics.

[@mladjo007]

Is it only in Kazakh or in other Turkic languages also? If only in Kazakh, you should look int Yenisei Kirghiz and where they lived ;). Remember that until recently in some literature Kazakhs are called Kirghiz, and Kirghiz were called Karakirghiz, but then Russians started to call Kirghiz Kazakhs for some reason, and KaraKirgiz becomes just Kirghiz. Both Kazakh and Kirgizh languages are very similar even for central Turkic languages. It seems that both originated from Yenisei Kirghiz and migrated south and split. Or Kazakhs lived near Yenisei Kirghiz, also close to Ket, and also migrated south just like Kirghiz.

[@foveauxbear]

fascinating, but, for one with no education in semantics or basic grammar it's hard to understand

[@christopherellis2663]

ı, not ï. as with Australian Ravens and Eagles, no parallel cousin marriage, ever.

[@Korruptionsfeinde]

AWA LONI RAS DA ? KO KASHA EE NSH ? AKA NAJA KO KEKA ONAK ? O HAKA JANA KO KEKA ONAK ?

[@mahakalabhairava9950]

Isolated language? I see words that are surprisingly familiar. For singing. For tent it sounds like house. ..

[@JamesSmith-by3qy]

3000 miles!? Other countries are closer to Alaska than the Ket are! Mongolia, Korea, China, other parts of Siberia besides the Ket, Japan, etc. are closer to Alaska than the Ket are!

[@atomharris]

Check out the work of Dr. David Reich of Harvard. His studies show that Ancient Northern Eurasians (ANE) are much older and migrated from North America to Asia not from Asia to North America. His studies documented ANE into Spain. Corresponding analysis shows multiple Matrilineal markers throughout Europe where Dene DNA is also found.

[@yaxshibala]

Yenisei is turkic „yeni çay” meaning new river or “ana/ene-çay” main/mother river

[@ANTSEMUT1]

No, it's just borrowed a few words and features from turkic language since it's surrounded by turkic speakers.

[@yaxshibala]

@@ANTSEMUT1 I ment the Word not the People 😆

[@ANTSEMUT1]

@@yaxshibala oh.

[@rl-hd5ku]

No, Turkic languages borrowed from Yeniseian such as "Tengri" and "Khagan"

[@yaxshibala]

@@rl-hd5ku Bro their Number was to small to borrow from them they got absorbed not otherwise

[@Platero505]

I'm Navajo, did DNA, and confused to have no genetic markers to Ket, Siberia, Mongolia, or Asia. Im 94%Athabaskan Navajo, 5% Zia Pueblo and 1% Spain. Basically, 99% indigenous SW US...... In a flip side world, 🤪 my thinking goes that the Ket people traveled to Siberia from Canada. After all, there are more Na Dene dialects in North America than in Asia. And the Ket population dwindling in Siberia. 🤔🤯🤣

[@vasekbrezina2801]

Interesting. Which DNA test was it? Can it even possibly reveal Ket ancestry?

[@user-gh1us2zc7e]

Wait, Ket people.oroginated in Siberia, it's Indigenous American tribes that went to Canada from Siberia, not vice versa

[@acenname]

@@user-gh1us2zc7e You are repeating the old eurocentric theories that new DNA research may prove to be wrong.

[@TrissTess69]

yeniseian is a link between turkish and old chinese , they are also part of the xiongnu tribe and they are ancestors of amerindians

[@TrissTess69]

@Luqmān At-Turki you commit an error ket people share many common terms with turkic peoplesort=proto&ic_any=on for light they say kana, kinix who is closed to gun in turkish starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=%5Cdata%5Cyenisey%5Cyenet&first=1&off=&text_proto=&method_proto=substring&ic_proto=on&text_meaning=light&method_meaning=substring&ic_meaning=on&text_ket=&method_ket=substring&ic_ket=on&text_sym=&method_sym=substring&ic_sym=on&text_kot=&method_kot=substring&ic_kot=on&text_ari=&method_ari=substring&ic_ari=on&text_pum=&method_pum=substring&ic_pum=on&text_notes=&method_notes=substring&ic_notes=on&text_any=&method_any=substring&, i bet yeniseian and turkic langages evolved from the same old langage : sumerian es is god for the yeniseians and es is divine for the sumerians, also dingir is god in sumerian and tengri is god in turkic langage

[@kevinlezo1046]

Ancestors of Navajo and Apache not other natives only dene people

[@TrissTess69]

and dingiri is god in yeniseian

[@shiverarts8284]

Ket does not sound like navajo, sounds more like something else in that region...

[@dsyy90210]

the talk *literally* started with a discussion about areal influence on modern Ket.

[@SquigPie]

Well yeah, that's called areal influence, which this entire video is about.

[@Fummy007]

Why would it "sound like" a language its been separated from for millenia?

[@atomharris]

@@Fummy007 Not a millennium. 14+ millenniums. The very devices and their lexicon we communicate with each other today, did not exist when our grandparents were born.