Ketamine vs ECT for depression: what studies don't tell you - Dr. Kaveh LIVE

[@5speedMax]

I am a man that suffered horribly from depression for years. To say I was desperate for relief is an understatement. I heard about ect and researched it and found that it is in fact pretty mysterious in how it works but it does work. I did it in 2013 and it saved my life. I found that the depression began to lift after a few weeks and I began to recover. It took some time but I am now fully functional and am glad I did it. It is not a procedure one should take lightly and it is not fun at all. Ketamine was not available in my area so ect was my only option. My feeling is that if ketamine is available I would choose that first but if that is not an option, ect is the way to go. I had what is termed treatment resistant depression. No traditional medication worked and I was on a bunch of them over the years. Good luck.

[@gioiaferrante]

Congrats on your success with Ect. Hearing people talking about their own personal experience and it worked is wounderful. I understand the headaches are very bad and yes the brain fog. I'm happy to hear this treatment saved your life and your doing well. Congratulations on your success. I wish you all the best. Hearing it works for many people honestly is wounderful. I heard some people tell me sometimes they need to go back year's later for a little tune up. Glad you are doing well. Again I wish you the best. Enjoy life again.

[@gwendolynsasso9888]

I am super glad it helped you. Hearing the positive side is wonderful. Glad you are back to being totally functional. WooHoo

[@5speedMax]

@Becka Howard It should freak you out, it is intense, invasive and completely consuming for quite a little bit of time. If one is having suicidal thoughts, that's a pretty good indication its time to at least begin speaking to someone about it.

[@MedusasFeelinSalty]

I'm so glad you had such good success with ECT. It saved one of my friend's husband's life as well. They literally tried everything else with him, nothing worked. He had 6 sessions of ECT and was a new man. He started playing with his kids, picked old friendships back up again, was able to return to work as a fine jewelry designer, and was the man my friend married again. She was ready to divorce him before he did that therapy, and is really glad she didn't need to. I wonder if ketamine would have helped him? This was in the early 2000's, and they were only using it for surgery then. We'll never know, because he's still fine. He calls it his "ctrl alt delete for his brain" lol

[@janetgoodart-smoak7137]

I have almost paralyzing anxiety, PTSD and chronic pain. I'm so thankful there are holistic options available. I quit taking Clonazepam because I don't want to be addicted. I am seriously thinking of getting this treatment. Thank you so much for the information.

[@donpodlas5546]

I'm a 74- year-old Viet Nam veteran. I was on Methadone for seven years with the V.A. for chronic LBP and knee pain. After a nine -month weening period, I managed to get off the medication. However, within just six weeks after taking my last Methadone, I igained18 pounds. And because of the drastic weight gain, my general attitude towards life, my inner spirit, well being and energy just went down the tubes. I fell into a deep depression for almost two years. Fast forward to the present. I contacted an online Ketamine Therapy company and the results that I have experienced have been nothing short of mind-blowing. The change in attitude, energy and even my physical health have improved. For me, this medicine has turned out to be a quick and very effective way to ease depression and anxiety. Thank you so much for sharing this video. Take care and be well...

[@ninapoe]

I'm a patient who has had both and I can say that my results were similar with both. Also, neither one was a majorly unpleasant procedure. In fact, I would rather have ECT under anesthesia than get a cavity filled. With ketamine, you're awake the whole time and you experience more sensory distortions. The mild distortions aren't bad, but I was given too much one time was definitely tripping. I will note that I have depression, and both treatments only worked when I was in a severe "episode" and not for my mild-moderate depression symptoms.

[@ninapoe]

Also, the acute memory loss from ECT was never a big issue for me. I only lost memories for the time during the treatments, and since I was severely depressed I don't mind not remembering that period. I don't think I had any long-term deficits from ECT. Honestly, I'd do either again if I needed them. It usually comes down to what is available and covered by insurance. The nice thing about ketamine is that you are okay to drive almost as soon as it wears off. With ECT I needed family to drive me for the several weeks of treatment.

[@vegasmandie6398]

That’s what psilocybin mushrooms are for ( the in between)

[@gioiaferrante]

How interesting. If I ever had to do anything like that awake? I would choose to be put too sleep myself. I hope it's helped you and your doing better. Very interesting and informative information. No way would I want to feel like I was tripping that would scare me. Congrats on your success and new lease on enjoying life.

[@samp739]

Ect has saved my life 3 times and it would be my first choice if I could access it in the UK , but because can't get it private and NHS won't give me I've had to start esketamine but I'm worried it won't be as powerful as ect . I've done 28 and 56 . Then got 2 X 84 next week . Cheers

[@vegasmandie6398]

@@samp739 awesome for you , brain cells don’t grow back after they’ve gone , I’m a hard pass, you should give mushrooms a go , they have worked on every one I’ve gifted them to , and they protect brain cells , cheers

[@gioiaferrante]

I lost my husband sadly when I was 25, its not worth taking your life. This world needs to educate themselves on mental illness as well as police! I do not have either but I support those who do. It's not hard to be kind in such a cruel world . I have lost way to many in my industry to Duel DI. I admire this doctor so so much its unreal. He educates the world on everything.

[@JellyBean0776]

Why point out police specifically? You don't think the constant attacks and judgments worsen any POSSIBLE issues? You think police don't have enough to deal with. They can't know everything. What we need to do is educate people on what is within themselves, perspectives, and expectations of life and others instead of expecting the rest of the world to tolerate ours/others' negative mindsets.

[@gioiaferrante]

@J U I'm often in Germany 🇩🇪 on tour. I ❤️ Germany and the people. I told my mom when she left the feild of Physic and drug counselor as well. Mom I'm not watching behind my dark glasses self meditating I'm watching friends in our industry and fan's committing slow suicide! I'm happy she highly educated me from ten years old. I begged her to take the shots because I understand you can't save everyone but too date I try. Why do people think our industry is tours stage film red carpets and money? It's anything but what fan's and people think. I saved my son’s life 32 time's he is 27 married at 18 a millionaire almost 5 children but the police killed him and I and we were extremely close. But he paid them off started knowing how to play the best doctor's hospitals and telling him you can't force him to take medicine. He almost killed me and got away with it. That was the final straw and the judge he paid off and she seriously yelled at me. I have permanent disability from the assault it was like extremely strength assault weapons. If it's not ok for anyone else it's not ok for my own regardless of how serious his mental health is. I had to grief him 💔 he's not the person I know rasied. I understand and on other's I refuse too judge others or turn my back it's not in my DNA. I don't know you're personal story but it's ok listen take your medicine or try Ect treatment. I respect you and everyone else 💯. It's not worth ending your life. I've loved lost have friends who the world know's I refuse too apologize or judge another human being. Hello Germany will be their on tours and lastly all a doctor needs to do is am mri of the brain 🧠 and they can treat people better see how high and if you have the addiction gene. I enjoy watching this doctor because he's honestly trying to help other's. My mom after leaving the feild devoted her life to humanitarian aid all over the world until her passing. I also don't have a problem with weed it's not a gateway drug only if you have the addiction gene. If you need to talk just leave me a message I'll alway’s respond. I have a secret group on fb for people who have both or a family member friends and it's secret for people's privacy 😉. I respect and understand even though I don't have it I care. Love from the states Germany 🇩🇪 😍 is amazing as well I've lived overseas it has a big problem with heroine Xoxo Zen

[@gioiaferrante]

@@JellyBean0776 I'm just saying they need to be educated more on this. My uncle friends are police I respect them. Even they tell me they need more classes in university on mental illness and I'm not being judgmental. I was shoot twice and there are bad officers even my family and friends tell me that. I'm lucky I'm alive permanently disabled or not.

[@44VW44]

@@JellyBean0776 ​​⁠ I think law enforcement is an extremely difficult job particularly with current circumstances. They deserve our support & where challenges come from individuals suffering from mental illness, they deserve to have “proper equipment & training” for the vast array of problems they confront on a daily basis. I have read about particular cities that are better equipping officers like San Antonio Texas for one example.

[@MedusasFeelinSalty]

I feel like it would be a good idea to extend the police training when they're getting started, to teach them more about dealing with situations with mental health or neurodiversity. It would save lives.

[@heidi5462]

Absolutely excellent live! Very well worded to understand easier. Great Job Dr.K!🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@stephaniebiggs2091]

Thank you for sharing this information. I have been stuck with debilitating grief since my 17 year son took his own life ...coming uo to 2 years in july. I have three other children snd a husband that need my presence in their life. I have suffered with depression and PTSD for half my life... I was doing okay before my son passed. I live in S.Florida, where ketamine treatment clinics are abundant. However.. I fully agree with the doctor here, that set and setting, knowing your intentions for the therapy are possibly the most important aspects of using this treatment. Im ready Im ready to start living life again. The grief is incredibly heavy. My doctor approves the treatment, so now I am here to do my homework. I cant thank you enough for sharing your professional knowlege. Your time making these videos is very much appreciated.

[@gioiaferrante]

I'm sorry for your loss I understand that feeling myself. I hope you find peace and your new treatment works. Sending love and light and positive thoughts. I more than understand that happening. My husband did it in front of me out of know where when I was 25. Hang in there your family needs you. Your lucky you still have family. Blessings to you

[@greg-op2jh]

I am so sorry that you are going through that..know that you are not alone! I lost my mom this year and it has been unimaginable.

[@stephaniebiggs2091]

@@greg-op2jh thank you brother, my heart goes out to you. Nothing comes close to the love we carry for our mother. May your heart know peace in time.

[@endtimes9763]

I'm so sorry to hear about your son. I was reading a You Tube review on Ketamine and the lady said her daughter suffered with depression and talked about suicide and they (hospital) gave her Ketamine and she never suffered again.

[@boosqueezy2418]

society needs to catch up with the medical research

[@sonjamurphy]

After about 130 treatments of ECT in my 20’s I have been on Social Security Disability since then and I still believe that about 18 years later I don’t have all of my memory and cognitive skills back. I lost not just short term memory loss but also many other long term memory loss. I now have several other chronic illnesses including symptoms that have come from poor health care from my doctors. I now have done many EMDR treatments and have tried several ketamine treatments at home with an inhaler. None of these treatments are easy and but definitely worth really researching and finding a good doctor before starting any of these treatments. I agree that ketamine was a little scary or intense at first but once I was able to collaborate with my therapist I found it helped me tremendously considering my health insurance does not cover my treatments for in office use. But I can’t help but say that I feel like ECT was a catalyst in the process of my mental and physical health issues getting worse. I feel like I was traumatized by the amount of treatments that I had and the way they effected my ability to function in the real world. 😢I have had a few problems with addiction in my past but opiates have been one of them because of chronic pain and I honestly don’t see how ketamine could be used recreationally for “fun” but like the good doctor said, it’s a very fine line between the best treatments for each individual and I encourage everyone to try and feel like they are in control of their own health care decisions and don’t feel pressured to do anything that might make you uncomfortable. Best of luck to everyone!❤😊

[@gioiaferrante]

I remember my mom being in the feild and she seriously couldn't handle seeing her patients getting Ect treatments. She said to me how many of her patients got worse than before and suffered trauma as well. I wish you the best of luck in your recovery process. Don't give up hopefully they can find something that works for you. Best of luck and keep fighting the good fight. I’m no sure how old you are now but I wish you the best. 130 ECT treatments isn't there a limit? Here there is. I'm sorry that happened to you.

[@pamspencer5733]

Google🕵️, long term marijuana on the brain, & schizophrenia induced disease.. Street drugs are poison & cause all sorts of severe cognitive disorders😓

[@sonjamurphy]

@@gioiaferrante I’m 41 years old now. Thank you for your sentiment. Since my ECT most other doctors I have worked with, regardless of their medical specialty, have been shocked by the amount of treatments I received. Some psychologists have said that they don’t think that most people are faced with that many treatments in a lifetime let alone 3 1/2 years of continuous treatment. I have finally found some really great doctors who I’m working with now after recently having to move. So even though I’m still struggling with other health problems, three new diagnoses this year of Graves’ disease, sleep apnea and degenerative disc disease. I’m actually more hopeful than I have been in a very long time. Thanks again for your kindness.

[@megyoung7947]

Thank you very much for your deep level of honesty...that takes ;guts' in my book. If nothing else is effective, maybe ECT. Ketamine and psylocibin (sp?) are my choices. I love what you say about taking control of our healthcare,,,BRAVO!

[@kfemme68]

​@@sonjamurphy can I ask where you lived when you had all of the ECT?

[@ShannonsChannel]

My mom had ECT in the late 60s or early 70s. I believe it did a lot of damage to her memory and cognitive abilities. Her memory is awful, and getting worse and worse the older she gets. I don't see how brain damage can be helpful for depression. It didn't help her. It hurt her. They told her it would get rid of the bad memoires... but how do you target which memories to delete?? It did not get rid of her bad memoires, but it did prevent her from forming new ones accurately.

[@MedicalSecrets]

I'm so sorry you had that experience, but I greatly admire your vulnerability in sharing that. That is one of the great controversies around ECT because we have limited targeting. I hope you found support being part of her care team. Caretakers are vulnerable to so many stressors, too

[@ShannonsChannel]

@@MedicalSecrets thank you. I was a baby at the time, so not her caretaker. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. Yes, without being able to target specific memories, it’s a big risk.

[@1cruzbat1]

Once I learned that memory loss was a possible side effect of ECT that option was out as far as I was concerned.

[@lesliegums5119]

Absolutely true. Not a good tradeoff for eliminating depression. Being ect has been used for 100 or more years it's a terrible course of treatment when there are better and I can't help but think that politics is seriously interfering and it's most likely associated with the idea of getting "high" to fix mental health issues. We're still allowing the idiots to write the rules and it's gotta stop. Insurance companies have children sitting in positions of pencil whipping approvals for all medical treatments and we're seeing where that's getting us.. liberal universities are turning out those mental midgets. Time for patients to start protesting Insurance decisions on denying medical treatments that they don't have a clue about. The ignorance is appalling. Lack of proper mental health treatment is costing this nation and the world and it won't be long before we've gone down too far to get out of the mess we are in.

[@grapejuice7665]

I would love to forget certain memories....memories keep you bound to certain traumatic events which cause suffering and mental illness. But I do understand what your saying

[@dianebatchelder9572]

I had ECT, it was the BEST thing I ever did.

[@neubies3]

Same here.

[@samp739]

Same

[@apurbodey640]

For what I have anxiety disorder it can help?

[@kalayne6713]

After my first knee reconstruction, I was given ketamine. I cannot tell you how amazing it was, both as a pain killer and anti depressant. I have been depressed for 60 years, tried all the usual meds. Ketamine was a blessing but Australia is ten years behind USA so we wont get the benefits for years.

[@janetf9076]

Did the Dr allow you to stay on it for depression?

[@scottlangrehr144]

I live in Australia and am trying to find out whether off label Ketamine infusion clinics are currently available. Would love to know if you found any infusion clinics or did you have to travel to the US. Spravato is approved under TGA do you know where this is available.

[@lesliegums5119]

The United States is still behind when it comes to getting proper mental health treatment covered by insurance. Right now ketamine is a luxury for the financially well off. That's criminal.

[@Mannsy83]

​@@scottlangrehr144 RPA has it free

[@marietjiepienaar9251]

I was on antidepressants with lots of side effects for years. Out of desperation I dropped everything cold turkey, went through severe withdrawal. After that I have done 2 magic mushroom sessions in 3years with some micro doses here and there it was the best thing I ever did, it removed whatever caused my depression and bipolar disorder… I have never been more stable in my life than now.

[@TheFrugalMombot]

They helped me as well. I haven’t found microdosing to be very helpful, but macrodoses have been tremendously helpful. When I feel symptoms starting to reoccur, I just take another 5 mg dose, but always have a trip sitter. It scrambles the brain and seems to reset things for me for long periods of time. It’s been a lifesaver for me, as I was suicidal before and had severe PTSD.

[@marietjiepienaar9251]

@@TheFrugalMombot agree its the same for me, I also have my husband sitting with me during the process to make sure I’m okay. Like you said it’s like a reset and it truly helps.

[@tarakersey6115]

I didn't stop any meds. I used to be on 27 meds. I take 5 different meds now for anxiety and depression. Mood stabilizer. This combination is the best I have been on for 10 years. It's based off genetic and DNA testing. I have some weird mutations that causes issues with metabolizing drugs. And it's down to the specific dose. Before DNA test I was on wrong medication. I told Drs I felt worse with meds.. they said I was lying. A Dr finally believed me and thee are two antidepressants listed I can take. And I have literally been on every one since I was 14. Causing more depression.. feel suicidal.. my brain will react well first to a drug then the next day doesn't work. I don't understand that.

[@cmalek93]

@@tarakersey6115what was the dna test you got to find that info out

[@DianeLee999]

Thanks!

[@MedicalSecrets]

Thank you!

[@lorikendrick5076]

Hi. I just started Infusion Ketamine for depression yesterday. My next time is tomorrow. I'm going to Klarity in Greenwood, IN. My first experience was very relaxing. I listened to Josh Groban while under. That was perfect music to listen to. The only thing I experienced when finished was a bit dizzy. It left with in an hour. I'm so glad I started listening to you and found this depression treatment. Thank you very much.

[@jrman413]

How are you now?

[@leslieallen1989]

I had ECT in 2011 as a last resort. There was a serious complication during the 4th treatment and it ended there. What happened I’m certain was an extremely rare occurrence but exacerbated the reason I was doing this in the first place. That being said I am grateful that the ECT bought me time. If ketamine therapy had been an option I would have tried it first. In my case, it likely would have been the better therapy for me. What I needed was to be able to sleep deeply and dream. This revelation came about in trying a new drug that had come out on the market in 2015. It opened a new door to explore those dreams and other possibilities for self healing. It’s hard work, but well worth it. ECT -vs - Ketamine I think maybe depends on the individual. Either way just don’t ever give up on yourself. None of this is a quick fix. It buys you time to do the self work with people who are properly qualified to help.

[@leslieallen1989]

On my 4th treatment the paralytic worked, but the sedation didn’t. I couldn’t tell them, I couldn’t open my eyes. I was aware of everything going on around me and I was awake when they delivered the shock. The experience was terrifying. I also suffered from horrible headaches for years after having ECT.

[@kfemme68]

​@@leslieallen1989 I'm so sorry honey! That had to be completely horrifying! Sending you love, light and big hugs, k 💗🕯️🫂

[@technophant]

I had a rare complication on my 3rd ECT treatment and quit. He missed my temple and shocked near my eye. Had a burn like mark for months, severe headaches and ocular migraines. I did ketamine also, high dose. Would do that again anytime even though it was strange.

[@schuylerjones2213]

I am on prescribed Ketamine low dose daily therapy for severe anxiety and it has changed my life! No trip!

[@leslieallen1989]

That is wonderful!

[@sgmmedders2419]

@DrKaveh #DrKaveh How is this possible? How does one inquire about this. I am going to a very professional Ketamine Clinic once a week. Sometimes it feels like it works and sometimes I come out having felt I if were garbage and NEEDED TO DIE. It was so hard...but the staff stayed with me. It was the first time I saw nothing but demons and a friend said it is a way of my body trying to rid over 50 years of all the all's I have been carrying inside and pretending to be ok. I have had so many "if it can go wrong procedures" my white coat syndrome kicks in and it seems to take a lot of meds to shut me up. Through the VA, I have been on trial (without guidelines provided) with Ketamine. I had a chance to go visit my son's family and because that meant a week of missing the part of TWO time a week (they don't approve three times a week for two weeks then once a week) due to their skewed ideology, I can now only go once a week till 180 days comes to an end. They also enforce a weekly PHQ-9 assessment that I must fill out for every visit that I attend. And if I DO NOT REFLECT improvement, I will loose the right to treatment. What a huge stressor. This means I must skew my response every week and become very stressed for having to go against my level of integrity. If one was on a diet and told to weigh every day, I believe that individual would give up dieting and become complacent with where there are feeling defeated- this is what a bs PHQ-9 questionnaire is) I continue to go weekly and try hard to find a driver. Sometimes I dread going because of VA protocol but I go...I find it is working, just not text book as the VA would expect it to. As I have mentioned in past comments, I am not, nor ever have been, a drug user, alcohol, street drugs. My mind is wound up so tight, it is beyond hard to trust. Please help. Tried meditation, yoga, reading, equine therapy, involved in Church, would give anyone the shirt off my back, but living as though I am Shleprock from the Flintstones, everything just gets so hard. So Ketamine every Wednesday I go. 😢

[@samp739]

Just started esketamine 28 and 56 not felt anything yet

[@aandrus2169]

I've had both. I had 20+ ECT treatments in 2016-2017, for major depression with uncontrollable suicidal ideation. It worked great!! AND it unexpectedly gave me an increase in energy and DECREASE in Fibromyalgia pain by almost 50%! That did wear off over several months, but wow, what a joy and relief that was! I also had several Ketamine infusions in 2019, for pain. That was fabulous too! My depression was relieved IF I kept using a special ketamine nasal spray daily. I loved love loved Ketamine. It helped with many things and wasn't as much of a terrorizing experience. ECT was more traumatic for me. I recommend both since they have different uses though similar benefits. But Ketamine isn't covered by insurance and ECT is, so that's important. By the way, I've discovered that when I have used a lot of cannabis during times of high pain, it has always allowed me to connect with memories that were forgotten, usually from childhood.

[@lesliegums5119]

Just curious what state you're in? Ketamine in NY is hard to access unless you're financially well off. The nasal treatments so far, are only available for addicts. Ketamine infusion clinics are available but therapists won't even talk about it.. pathetic.

[@liztaylor85139]

I had several treatments of ECT years ago and I did not see a big improvement. Ketamine treatments are not covered by insurance at this time for use to combat major depressive disorders or medication-resistant depression. I did save 400.00 and was able to take one I.V. ketamine treatment in which I did have a breakthrough but did last long. I think it would have really helped me if I could have continued but I can't afford it. So now I'm thinking of asking my DR about ECT again. So sad that insurance companies would rather pay $1000's on monthly medication and ECT treatments than cover ketamine a proven drug to help with depression and PTSD.

[@TheFrugalMombot]

One of my children had ECT 2-3 times a week for months after years of endless medications and hospitalizations being thrown her way. I would say it helped moderately. However, it also changed her personality significantly and she had significant memory loss as well. She’s a different person and I’m not just meaning in that she’s different because her depression has improved. The way she treats others, interacts even with her siblings, as well as with me, her mother, has changed and not for the better. She even became abusive with her identical twin. I had offered to find a location and pay for her to have ketamine treatments, to join a psilocybin study, or even to pay for her to go to Peru and have an ayahuasca ceremony, but she refused and insisted on the ECT. I think part of her reasoning for this was she was drawn to the idea of memory loss, because of a sexual assault she experienced. I supported whatever she chose and either I or my boyfriend took her to every ECT session and within weeks of it ending she had turned on both of us and just became filled with hate and rage all the time. I just wish I could have my daughter back.

[@tarakersey6115]

I can understand wanting memories gone bc they stay in your mind and play vividly like a movie and it doesn't stop..it never stops.. it has gotten worse as I have gotten older. I don't know why.. it is like being in a mental prison. I go to therapy and it doesn't help. Nothing has helped with constant vivid memories that have just gotten more vivid.. I have horrible insomnia... when I do sleep it's not a deep sleep. Even with sleeping pills.. anxiety meds don't work. My brain has always never had a quiet time... it's always on over drive. I make myself crazy bc of the thoughts that I have that will not stop and they are about things that have happened to me and they play over and over images. Did the ect help that

[@tarakersey6115]

I don't see where I can add a new comment.. I have been doing the Sprovato since May have had the max dosage and rounds and I go once a week. I was supposed to be twice a month.. I was and they moved me back to once a week. I honestly only feel a little quiet mind during treatment but after 30 min after last nasal spray it's back to the movie camera racing thoughts. I have told them this. I have never experienced disassociation or drowsiness. I could do algebra problems or crossword puzzles during it if needed. I actually drove myself two times and had no difficulty bc I didn't feel anything.. bc we sit there 2.5 hours after last nasal spray.. but I was caught.. I don't have a supportive family.. My sister tries but she thinks taking Tylenol is bad.. My narcissistic mother who runs her mouth to everyone she can about me spreading bs.. reverses Any treatment.. I realized driving home there is nothing that will cure that and that really broke my heart.. all my life I have taken all these drugs... For depression, anxiety. Since I was 14.. hospitalized.. a couple of times.. eating disorders.. suicide attempts.. my mom has isolated me... She has ruined every relationship.. including my kids.. everyone believes her. I have this psych label... My ex husband and her have the same story. And I wasn't strong enough to fight them . And realize what was going on.. and when I did.. it fkng broke me.. my mom more than that POS . I knew our relationship was kinda off always and I have always did everything to get uncomfortable love.. including marrying someone that was " suitable" in her eyes . But made me miserable.. Had a mask in public just like my mom.. and I guess I was kinda comfortable with that behavior bc that's what I grew up with. They say the partner you marry .. you marry the one who you are trying to fix emotional issues .. so I married. My mom.. and I'll be damned if my oldest son didn't marry his Dad.. boy did she switch and turn after they got married.. she turned on me and is isolating my son.. using my new grandbaby as leverage and my son won't say boo to her.. my Dad didn't say boo to my Mom.. and he had constant health problems his entire life.. he literally had all of his colon removed but like an inch to avoid a pouch.. I firmly believe from holding his emotions in and myoms emotional crap.. he never stood up for me and my sister.. And I'm afraid this is going to happen with my son and worse my granddaughter. My entire family acts like I am " crazy" I'm a problem " instead of having a problem.. but they all have their part .. I have been in the World of Psychiatry and Therapy since I was 14 bc I couldn't talk to my mom about feelings. I was constantly shamed and guilted in a religious home for normal behavior. She just gave me money to get out of her way.. I was taught how to speak about feelings all my feelings in a family that refused.. every hospitalization.. family day for me no one showed up and the picture was clear to my team.. but I always defended them.. I think how sad.. I almost died during a suicide attempt.. they demanded I go somewhere but wanted to dictate how long I stayed and they were upset when they kept me 90 days and refused to take part of any thing. Anyway.. that's when really my mom and ex husband mask fell. And they knew what I was dealing with. I'm not feeling sorry for myself or want pity.. I feel hopeless.. Where I'm at in life I allowed bc I didn't set up boundaries with my mom. I didn't see it.. and I really think she would love it if I killed myself.. she loves being the saint and Savior. If it wasn't for me.. she wouldn't have much to talk about or make fun of.m trust me I've seen her Messenger and texts.. she doesn't have friends.. I wonder why.. if I heard a mom talk shit about their children I would say something.. I told her it makes her look horrible and if she thought about that.. it doesn't make her sound interesting or whatever she is trying to sound like. It sounds disgusting to hear a Mother speak that way about their own child. And they don't feel sorry for you.. They feel sorry for me and probably say " it's no wonder her daughter has issues".. so u look pathetic.. AND they think.. " if she talks about her own daughter like that, what does she say about me?!" And mom u talk about everyone and people automatically think that when someone constantly talks shit about people... It is a bad look.. your the town gossip.. spreading rumors.. mean girl.. would you like it if someone talked about you at work? " I didn't do anything" That u know of" you're not perfect mom, no one is". Quit talking about me to people especially my own boys... And before you say you don't I know you do... Just stop... It's so messed up.. you work for a Psychiatrist.. ask him.. and Psychologist.. They will tell you how inappropriate it is amongst other things.. She just gives me dirty looks Imm venting sorry but anyone else live with a Narcissist Mom or Dad, then Marry one.. there is other stuff.. but did any medication fix that.. I wish I had zero memories of her bc she will never change.. and it really hurts me.. my heart feels broken.. she loves it that she's convinced my boys of bullshit and turned my daughter in law against me... I don't really have my family.. she has successfully taken it . And I can't do anything about it and she knows...

[@TheFrugalMombot]

@@tarakersey6115 I am so sorry you’ve had to deal with all of this and had such a hard time. I get it. I think your mom and my mom (and my ex-husband - even marrying someone to please my mom that was just like her, maybe worse) sound almost like mirrors of each other, although I wasn’t allowed to seek treatment even when I technically died from an overdose because that would make her look bad at church and also I think she feared people would find out she really had been physically abusing me and she’d get in trouble. If you haven’t already, I think you need to seriously think about cutting your mom, and probably your sister, out of your life. I have very limited contact with my parents and my sister now and I’m finally healing a little bit. I haven’t tried ket yet, but I do use mushrooms and LSD on occasion and I’ve done pharmahuasca once (which actually helped probably the most). It wasn’t a one time fixed all situation for me - I think I have too much baggage for that and also I started experimenting with using these for treatment when I was still having to deal with my parents, my sister, and my ex quite a bit, plus I was having to watch the fallout of having all these toxic people in my kids lives for years and seeing how it affected them. It’s hard to get better when the cause of all of the PTSD in your life (or most of it) is still a part of your life, because they just keep reopening old wounds. As far as ket not giving you dissociation or whatever, it is likely due to the dosage. It’s a lighter dose than what would probably put you in a k-hole. I tried microdosing mushrooms/psilocybin, but it didn’t help much. For me (and other studies have shown similar results), the most effective doses were macro-doses. And it has helped significantly. I do have to re-dose on occasion, but now that I’ve pretty much cut all contact with all abusers in my life the time period where it works and I feel significantly period lasts much longer. I went from needing to trip at least once a month to now being able to go at least six months, if not longer. Seriously, please consider at least greatly reducing your contact with your mother, sister, and other abusers in your life. Sometimes we can’t completely eliminate contact, but we can reduce how much we interact with them, set boundaries, and learn to walk away when they get out of line when you do have to talk to them. My mom texted me just yesterday begging me to talk to her to let her know how my kids are doing (they also have all pretty much cut her out of their lives now after initially having a great relationship with her, having her encourage them to turn on me, but they figured out who she was and what she did, and let’s just say karma is a bitch and there’s been significant healing with my kids and me) and also to talk about my beliefs (I was raised in a strict evangelical home, but have walked away from that and that drives her nuts and despite me having an actual spiritual experience, even an “death experience” that was nothing like what’s in the bible she refuses to listen) and promised to just listen and not preach at me, but of course even in just my reply to her about why i wouldn’t do it she had to bring up her own beliefs, so I told her it was off limits and if she did it again I would block her and also tell her why her beliefs are BS before doing so. It’s been so freeing to have healthy boundaries and very very very limited contact with my parents and sister and ex-husband. I still have nightmares occasionally and get triggered by things on occasion, but that has reduced significantly and only usually happens when something forces me to deal with one of them. Hugs. I hope you gain some closure and healing soon. I’m so sorry you’ve had to deal with so much and I empathize greatly, especially as it seems we have had pretty parallel experiences with mom and ex at least. I also hope that your kids come back to you and realize the harm that these people have caused not just to you but also to them eventually. I think they will, if they get the chance. I know being in a relationship where they’re isolating you can make that hard and you can lose yourself and just remember that your kids are in that state right now, so be patient, give them space and respect whatever boundaries have been placed, and they’ll come around I think. Mine have. It took some time, but once I stopped trying to force things it was just a matter of time and looking back not even that long really before they came around and saw the truth of things. Actually, my oldest and her fiancé are about to move in with me to save some money to get their own home, and I’m really so excited about that.

[@TheFrugalMombot]

@@tarakersey6115 sorry just saw your first comment to me about my daughter’s ECT. I’d actually forgotten what I’d originally commented about and your story being so similar to mine I thought I must have talked about that lol. My relationship with this daughter is just now starting to return. It’s not been the same since the ECT, which changed her personality and our relationship significantly, but it’s getting better. Part of it, I think is due to the guy she is with that is not good for her. Anyways, about the ECT, it’s hard for me to recommend it, but there are people that have had great results. I’d say use it as an absolute last resort. Also, I think they did too many treatments on my daughter. She was having it 2-3 times a week for months on end, which from my understanding isn’t normal.

[@PaigeBarrentine]

♥️

[@ArynMadden]

I read some information about memory loss and memory problems after ECT. I don't think that the risks are properly disclosed to people considering it. I was considering it and was appalled by what I found. I think the Ketamine is a fair option, but I was warned away from it by my doctor due to inherent problems with dissociation. There seems to be no option. It's very frustrating. I suffer and have no options! After thinking about it during your video, I think I want to try to fight for the Ketamine treatment. I think the dissociation is mostly caused by my high anxiety. I want relief. I stopped drinking years ago, which I believe was me self-medicating, and that was very unhealthy, and I am not going back to that EVER. I'm calling the doctor now.

[@TheFrugalMombot]

Doctors using that as a reason to warn people away just don’t understand the benefits of just that or how it works and why it works, imho. See my stand alone comment about what happened to my daughter with ECT. I fear I’ve lost her forever. I would never recommend ECT to anyone.

[@865style]

I wanted to try ketamine but I stopped smoking weed 20 years ago because it made me go into a full blown panic attack. My anxiety is already bad and I know that if I did ketamine treatment I'd lose my sh!t lol. I'd have a horrible trip. So I'm leaning towards ect.

[@bekahelder537]

I’m a 38 y/o woman going in for an intake on ECT. I tried ketamine and found it unreliable and brief (2 hours of relief only). Then I was put in a medically induced coma for acute respiratory failure with hypoxia. The sedation they used was 500 mg of a ketamine drip every hour. Yes every hour. I had the most realistic hallucinations and nightmares for weeks while my body was healing. I’m grateful to be alive but I would be very wary to try ketamine again. Wish me luck with the ECT!! ❤ Thanks for this video!! ❤

[@lindadove8298]

My brother best friend who served in the military with him and fought in the war back in the late 80's when came back he never recovered he killed himself ten years after he came home. It was sad he never was offered help or get any care. Only my brother what help him but now all we see his picture on his bday he would be 50 now. I wish could of gotten the help. Thanks Dr. Kaveh for the great information. I am still going to ask if can do a video on negelect. Have a wonderful weekend.💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕

[@janetf9076]

So sad how often our vets are treated so horribly😢

[@lindadove8298]

@@janetf9076 right

[@rodneyreno5109]

I love your content. I subscribed.

[@damonmclain4752]

In 2000 I went into the hospital and the doctor decided ECT would be the course of treatment. I didn't understand it. I was woken at 5am and given a sedative. I remember being wheeled down a hall and into a room with a machine. I was given another medication and I lost sight. I could still hear the doctor and nurse talk. I could still feel my body. Something dry was put into my mouth and I could hear the humming of the machine. I felt this horrible head ache like pain. The paused because something came up with my heart monitor. Then this continued two more times. ECT caused me more damage than it did good. Took me years to recover from it.

[@endtimes9763]

Wow now I'm afraid to try the TMC treatment

[@aandrus2169]

This is the one that made me subscribe. Thank you for understanding all this so very well!!

[@Jszar]

I’d love to see you take apart one of those studies which compares real ECT to sham ECT where they only anesthetize the patient. I seem to remember reading that they have equivalent performance?

[@shaybrauer6080]

Me too

[@oscarballard7911]

I assisted in number of ECT administrations while in training in the 70's, and it appeared quite humane, and in one case brought a 19 yo who was Catatonic out of the fog, to the point he would communicate and interact. However, in training we were shown films from the 40-50's of the procedure which indicated to me that ECT was an assault on the human body. It's been offered to me, for MDD, and I'd consider it, were it not for the great probability of increased memory loss. Getting Ketamine, is so difficult within my medical community and I wonder why? I had a Ketamine experience precipitated from a comminuted fracture of my left leg. I was overwhelmed by the experience, and it's left me wanting to know more? I'm also convinced that Psychedelics have great potential in treating more than depression and anxiety.

[@tarakersey6115]

I have felt nothing from the Ketamine treatments when I received it.. no disassociation..no feelings of hallucinating.. no high. No low.. no nothing.. first treatment I cried a little. That's it. Im very happy after. My mom can tell a difference.. but I don't trust her bc she's A legit narcissist. I think I am In this depressed state bc I came out of her and was raised by her and she has mind fkd me my entire life and I can't cut her out.. I'm not getting in to everything but I let her get it to the point to where Im dependent on her. It's a long story.. I'm not a victim.. I survived this shit. I married a narcissist.. which is normal for people who have a narcissistic parent.. I didn't really realize this crap until about 40.. of course my therapists from my teen years said the word Narcissist but I really didn't know what it meant.. didn't believe them.. until I finally GOT IT.. and saw the bs . Figured out the gaslighting.. and when you have two narcissist people playing games with you. And they are calculating together. It's fkd up.. that is what broke me.. my mom and my ex.. me finding physical evidence. It broke my heart, spirit. My mom broke my heart. I couldn't function.. I could have gave a shit less about my ex . I was over him shortly after I married him bc he changed after I gave birth to my first son.. I would confide in my mom Like most daughters do.. and she was telling him everything I said.. in text form or messenger.. but she would talk shit about him.. he showed me everything like 15 years in our marriage he saved everything. It destroyed me to see the mean words your mom says about you. Lol at me making fun of me. It was disgusting. She does it still. But with my grown boys. Sigh

[@gregzeng]

Here in Australia, over 55 years ago, my mother was given ECT for post-natal depression, and being a victim of domestic violence from her first husband. In those early days, the procedure was very different from that described in this video. This was long before feminism was created. Feminism still has much work to do now. ICD-11, described here in this video, is very different from DSM-5. Social workers and community workers have other ways of treating isolated individual sufferers.

[@AndreaDingbatt]

ECT is Horrible, it leftme with migraines and memory loss!! Thank you so much for caring!! The UK is dreadful, no real help for lomg term depression...

[@lesliegums5119]

The UK medical as well as other third world countries us a joke. I was there in the 70s and I felt like I'd gone back in time, like to the 30- 40s. I caught the flu while I was in London training for the company I worked for and fortunately I ultimately had a doctor come to the hotel. All you need to do is look at the dental conditions of the average UK citizen and figure out why they're in questionable health. Dental health very strongly correlates to overall health and their teeth are a mess and these are easily observed if you enjoy British television. If their "Hollywood" people can't get their teeth taken care of what's that tell you about the average citizen. Oh but their royalty is well accommodated. 😏

[@AndreaDingbatt]

@@lesliegums5119 I Totally Agree 💯 with Everything you have said about This!! You are presenting Facts! 👌✨ It was just like going back in Time when I moved to the UK myself!! Namasté 🙏🕊️

[@AdiOrigGirl]

I had 14 ECTs around 2011- 12 inpatient and 2 outpatient. I was desperate to not feel depressed and my doctor at the hospital told me he I was out of options (hard to hear when you already feel like giving up). Anyway, my memory used to be amazing prior to ECTs and now it's awful. I'm not sure how much is correlated to that or not, but I noticed the shift after receiving the treatments. Q: Do you feel your migraines are related to your ECTs? Do you mind sharing how often you get them? I used to get them occasionally prior to the ECTs and directly after. For over a decade I've had chronic migraines that have increased in their frequency. I have also had daily headaches shortly after the ECTs. I have wondered if there could be a correlation/ if anyone else experienced this. It's made life even more unbearable and has greatly decreased my quality of life. I can't be reliable to make plans of any kind or even keep important medical appts. I'm sorry for what you've experienced. Thank you in advance. ❤️‍🩹

[@scottsears5545]

These remedies are not miracles they help

[@anthonythomas9456]

I disagree with the part u mentioned about the uk if it wasn't for the uk mental from what I've seen is they are doing their best and have been amazing from what I have seen myself

[@spencerbachus7494]

I have done both and would definitely recommend IV Ketamine infusions over ECT. ECT should be a last resort in my opinion. It is a very powerful tool that can work wonders but the costs (side effects) can be way too high for some people.

[@Mannsy83]

How long did benefits of ketamine last?

[@spencerbachus7494]

I pop into ketamine once a month now. You start off doing like 8 over a span of two week. Ketamine has helped me understand myself better and unload a good amount of the baggage I was holding on to for so long. I just felt like ECT fried me into not being depressed. It’s effective, but that effectiveness came at a high costs. If you are in a nightmarishly bad way by all means try it.

[@miriamreeves9437]

I just became lucid for the first time in two weeks after having ECT. I literally didn’t know who I was before. But I’m no longer depressed. I tried Ketamine before, but it didn’t work.

[@favouredwanjirungari7869]

Did the ECT work for you ? Did the memories of who you are come back ?

[@darkphase7799]

I just got out of a mental health clinic on the 20th of August 2023 where I stayed for 65 days. During my stay I first tried 35 sessions of Transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS), which unfortunately didn't hold for me, in the middle of these sessions I started an antidepressant, then at the end I did 6 sessions of ECT. ECT sucked for me, it made me feel nauseous, it caused a heap of confusion, and caused a lot of memory loss. ECT did help to reduce my depression and also helped to reduce my flashbacks, but if I am honest as the confusion wore off, my symptoms of depression and PTSD have returned. I will be honest that my symptoms aren't as bad as they were, but they are about 80% of what they were. When I talk about confusion and memory loss, it was to the point where when I got home I forgot the layout of my house and my wife had to show me around the house. As much as ECT helped, I really really don't want to do it again, it really sucked. But I am worried as my psychiatrist said that I will need to do "top ups" at some point in the future.

[@lovejoy71422]

Talk to your psychiatrist about ketamine and see what he has to say. And please remember you can always change doctors to get the help that you want. God bless you!

[@darkphase7799]

Thanks, sorry for the slow reply. I am from Australia so I am not sure if they are as likely to be willing to do Ketamine. I am scheduled to do more TMS (once workcover approves it). I can get Ketamine infusions for pain, but I am not sure if they will do it for mental health. I am in the middle of changing doctors as my last wasn't that good. Saw new one for the first time last week. Thanks for the reply @@lovejoy71422

[@neubies3]

ECT saved my life. I had judgement from people when they found I had this done. Side note, being put to sleep was the best, most peaceful feeling.. Thinking about it, I'm too afraid to get a ketamine treatment if I needed it. I'm terrified of a bad trip, I know my mind..

[@865style]

Same here I know my mind. I want to try Ketamine but I know I'll go bonkers if I tried it. I'm leaning towards ect.

[@TheHarryleemartin]

92 treatments here over 2 years. Many ECT patients say the same, "It saved my life." That's how I address the vast side effects I had. Usual suspects: Memory loss (I don't recall 2017 at all now). My short, short-term memory is almost non-existent. I had (and still) have trouble telling time with an analog clock. IQ dropped. I see photos of me and can't recall even where I was. BUT, it did save my life, so it was worth it.

[@neubies3]

@@TheHarryleemartin I can relate to that. I have noticed my short-term memory isn't the greatest. I, too, cannot remember certain things. I don't really remember anything from before I was the age of 15 and it's worse now. I can't say that I regret ECT because I'm here, but I wish I didn't have the memory issues!

[@laurisawitch0707]

I loved ECT. Unilateral ECT snapped me out of a depressive funk with no more side effect than being sore after a marathon. Bilateral ect caused major holes in my memory. In my opinion the most important thing is to have a safe person who can advocate for you and a doctor that is willing to listen. Most side effects with ect can be minimized by changing the dose of electricty or switching methods. I want to try ketamine so i can work faster than doing ect. As always thanks

[@PolarBearChicky]

Ive had Ketamine quite a few times. Its ok, vut I think they give me too much. I always dissociate. I felt like i was dying twice. I also wish the clinic i go to would make their treatment room a little more relaxing and less like a hospital high care room. It's also very important that the docs and nurses know what they're doing. Know to darken the room and be quiet. Loght, noise and movement can be very disturbing. Luckily for me all negative effects were short-term and long-term the treatment really helped.

[@jsubsmixes3779]

It's crazy that people are using it recreationally at festivals,clubs etc 🤯

[@Leelou853]

I am gladyou are feeling better, you are a brave soul

[@debbie4503]

Shock therapy can take away the good memories and leave the bad ones. I can't believe it is still used.

[@mjungle773]

I had 45 ECT treatments in late 30’s about 15 years ago. I’ve had MDD for about 30 years. At the time I needed it to live. My husband drove 3 hrs one way at 3 in the am, 3 times a week for several months. I was working the day after treatment. I developed severe claustrophobia of the oxygen mask for years after. I had a change in personality and memory loss still. It was crazy bc I could still teach science but can’t remember my kid events. In the last 2 years I started having severe suicidal ideation again. Ketamine was suggested. The first treatment released suicidal ideation for at least 2 weeks. I did the initial round then came to realize that every 6 weeks is my magic time. We still have to drive 3 hrs one way but I am no longer experiencing Si on the daily which is the first time since early teens. I can completely function the day of treatment where ECT took me several days to get better But really check each option out, talk with your people and do what’s best for you

[@lesliegums5119]

15 years ago in the late 30s???what part of reality have you zoned out on.

[@JosiahSCooper]

I seriously need either ECT or Ketamine. I am in a deep depression, and conventional methods have not worked. I don't want to suffer anymore, and rather than taking my life, I'd like to try these experimental options - than - jump to end it all.

[@tarakersey6115]

Ketamine helped me at first. The sprovato. But now I go every 2 weeks. I don't feel any type of reaction. I think I should take it daily. Like nasal spray. It helps my mood and depression. But I don't feel disassociation. High. Hallucinating.. nothing. I have done x and I never felt anything either.. weed always made me feel weird not enjoyable.. never liked it. I think it is bc my mind is always on over drive and I'm overthinking EVERYTHING and FEELINGS.. I'm never relaxed.. and I blurt out dumb crap when I have smoked weed . Not for me. Alcohol makes me mean.. Beer doesn't. But I take meds. Not a good mix. I don't like the taste of alcohol anyway. I'm prescribed anti anxiety meds that do nothing. I could take 5 and I would still be awake for 2 days in a row. I don't get it. Im hyper vigilant.. Fight or flight 24/7. I wish I could be put in a coma for a week just to give my brain a break..

[@jeantarry6726]

Do NOT consent to ECT!!

[@jeantarry6726]

I've had many ECT txs in the past. Isn't brain activity measured/observed on a monitor to determine how long to zap your brain? I lost a lot from ECT: my career, my intelligence, my memories of my life....

[@zwatts38]

That's what I thought...I had ECTs and never had the tourniquet to monitor the seizure movements.

[@jeantarry6726]

I had the tourniquet, but I'm pretty sure that brain activity is also monitored.

[@teresalehtonen8499]

Ive got 12 x ECT therapy. The worst thing doing it was that you will not remember how you got to hospital and what are you doing there. That actually caused me anxiety knowing that after this procedure I will not remember that Im doing here. Of course soon you realize that oh ok thats why. Also I dont remember some events Ive been to, see a photo of it and not remeber. Thats not nice. It helped when I was not functional at all and severe depression. But Ive suffered this most of my life and still do. Tried most SSRI and Wellbutrin , none help and cure. Also severe anxiety and panic attacs are real horror at time. Ive not tried Ketamine and idea of tripping cause me anxiety.

[@865style]

That's what I'm worried about with ketamine. I know ima have a insanely bad trip.

[@laurieeyebee]

I was hospitalized for depression and anxiety twice. During these times some of the patients were matter-of-factly rolled down the hall for a dose of ect. I can't say they seemed worse off than the rest of us, but apparently they were. The loss of memory is what surprised me, but didn't seem to bother the patients. They told me a little bit about it but it scared me, so I went the antidepressant route. I lost my memory with septic shock due to pneumonia a year or two ago -- had no memory of the ambulance, the paramedics, arriving at the hospital, nothing until I woke up in icu. This bothers me to this day. I'm TERRIFIED of hallucinating (I did when I had my stroke) so I'd turn inside out with anxiety if you told me you were going to give me that. Did you know James Taylor means ect when he says "fire" in Fire and Rain? Rain would be cold water tubs, thank heavens we're past that.

[@MaxMax-kt2pw]

I’m glad you’re doing this

[@dianethoroughman9541]

ECT was a lifesaver for me. I did have some memory loss. Some of that loss i regained with from others giving me pictures etc. I don't mind the memory loss that didn't come back. However, the last time i was undergoing anesthesia for the ECT treatment, i ended up having severe hypoxemia and ended up in the ICU for 2 days. That facility will no longer treat me with ECT because of my reaction to the anesthesia. My depression has improved significantly in the last few months. I had my last ECT two years ago. Last March i attempted suicide. But I am undergoing a 12 week suicide prevention therapy and it has really helped. As for ECT i have had about 25 treatments total.

[@scottlangrehr144]

If you don't mind me asking what is your diagnosis I have suffered from Bipolar II for 35 years. Statistics suggest about 40% of Bipolar sufferers attempt suicide. Make sure you reach out early if you start to even have brief thoughts. We are a tribe of survivors and will not let the illness destroy us Current cutting edge hallucinogenic research suggest that the silver bullet we have all been waiting for is not far off Stay strong. Take omega oil tablets, try the Ketonic diet, make sure you have a regular sleep pattern and try to walk 30 minutes a day. Stay strong

[@laurenclark1480]

I need my nervous system fixed. I have been destroyed from meds constantly hundreds of blood tests scans and others. Im sick all the time and its horrible having no way to even go anywhere.

[@vickimainard9566]

Excellent video, A great balanced view of both treatments.

[@swimfit57]

Great podcast

[@Nancy-m9g]

Hey Dr. whats your take on TMS? ive been wondering... Thank You.

[@francesca333]

Great videos, good information....I'm curious to know if you have talked about doing ORAL ketamine WITHOUT antidepressants. The country I live in doesn't have IV ketamine use for mental illnesses, they only have approved nasal. Thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

[@janetf9076]

This video is so very educational. Thank you.

[@lwgrantsmom1603]

Dr Kaveh, I had a friend who I saw devolve into meth-induced schizophrenia before my eyes. Your knowledge is very fascinating to me. I can only pray she finds her way to treatment. She lives on the streets now.

[@kfemme68]

Well I will tell you the things I know about ECT and fair warning, it's not good opinions. My grandfather was schizophrenic and had many, many (I have no clue the number) ECT in his lifetime... well probably between 1968 and 1987. I'm guessing the beginning date but I was always told he was worst the year i was born. Between the ECT and any other meds, I never really met my grandfather. He was a hero in WWII but what he saw and did there is what brought on the schizophrenia. I also had another friend that I met when I was going through my own major depression and suicide attempt in my 20s. This woman was really sweet and dealing with major depression of her own. We'd known each other for a couple of months and really connected. We spent a lot of time together. Well her husband decided that she wasn't doing as well as he thought she should be (basically she wasn't doing every errand he wanted her to do or anything else like that) so he went to her Dr and the two of them decided she needed ECT. So she tells me that she's going back in to do this and I told her what I thought but she went ahead with it. When she came out, she was a completely different person. The woman that I had become friends with was gone and I hoped that somewhere in there she'd remember our friendship and call me. It never happened. When I tried calling her, her husband would say she wasn't there. So I'm not a fan but that's not the only thing I know about it. When I first got out of college, I worked a temp job for a little while and part of that was compiling a chart of all the hospitals in Illinois and their ECT use and what happened with the patients. This was over 20 years ago and I don't have the exact numbers but you would be surprised at the number of deaths after ECT. I know I was. I also know that Springfield had a very high rate per capita. So those are the facts that I have on ECT. I also know it's something that will NEVER be used on me!

[@darriontunstall3708]

Good live stream man

[@sydneyme856]

Just had my first ECT treatment yesterday, got 5 more to go.. can’t say the memory loss has been too bad, but I hate being under anesthesia

[@savanahasargent4856]

Hi! Oh h🤬ll no on ECT. I have AFIB & TACHYCARDIA, wouldn't be good to have a seizure. 🤢

[@cindykinser7850]

Glad u know your body. 16 ECT treatments saved my daughters life.

[@irenenavarrette1918]

Hi Dr. Kaveh! How are you doing today? : )

[@MaryJ420]

Thanks for the lessons!!

[@karenalberini9205]

I began ECT treatments in my 50's right after menopause. After a few treatments I eas told I jad treatment resistant depression and eanted to try ECT with ketamine. I agreed. Both under anesthesia. I had a terrible reaction. I could not stop sobbing uncontrollably. I was sectioned to the psyche ward. I don't remember anything. My sister came the next fay and took me home. I was told I had ECT a couple times after of which I have no memory. I had no improvement. I tried TMS but got vertigo twice. Jàd yo stop. I am 67 years old and am struggling to this day. It is so embarrassing. I was never like this before menopause. I am a retired nurse that worked in operating room st a large hospital. Enthusiastic hardworking, great sende of humor, compassionate, creative, athletic. Before becoming a nurse I was a hairdresser for 16 years and went out dancing and traveled all over. Presently I try to keep my depression a secret. I have chronic fatigue. I ßm isolating. Taking lexapro and wellbutrin in morning ßnd remeron st night. Tried Adderall snd still mo motivation. I lost me. Started a 50 gram low carb diet 90 gm protien saturated fat. 1000 calories a day. Lost 15lbs. But still no energy.

[@karenalberini9205]

Sorry about the spelling. My phone has a mind of its own sometimes.

[@jsubsmixes3779]

Excellent content, thank you 👍

[@garymeeks1681]

Could you please do a video on Ketamine vs TMS.? Is it close to the ECT treatment? Always love your videos.

[@B.CaroleVassar]

In the 60's I unexpectedly had an ECT treatment followed by hospitalization and two weeks of daily insulin shock. This was repeated a few weeks later. I had no idea what was happening to me. Thus-trust issues. Hopefully treatments have improved and am looking forward to Ketamine.

[@sybilwagar]

I've taken many medications for depression. But they don't help. But when I started ECT's I found something that finally helps me. I do tune ups now. Without my amazing Dr. I found , has helped me to be able to get these treatments. He helps me by talking to me as they put me to sleep. He has been amazing to help me learn about ME and my mental illness. I have suicidal depression, I have PTSD, anxiety disorder and panic attacks. Chronic pain. Seasonal depression. I HATE BEING THIS WAY. He's got the ketmon😮

[@rosehenninger1594]

I think, you're great. I enjoy watching your videos.

[@imjustmeTBD]

I was given ketamine once in the ER FOR a migraine. They gave me a huge dose without telling me anything about it then left me alone in the room for hours. I freaked out and a nurse came in and yelled at me! I've never allowed them to give it to me again since then.

[@leslieallen1989]

I’m sorry that happened to you

[@pamspencer5733]

I heard some 🥺ketamine stories!

[@imjustmeTBD]

@@leslieallen1989 thanks. It was really scary!

[@PolarBearChicky]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I have a great doctor who explained everything to me and was with me the whole time the first few times, so it was much less scary. I did once have a too large dose and it was unpleasant, but at least not that bad.

[@Americansangel]

Hi Dr, I missed you live , I was out running errands , it is something you mentioned about the shock therapy in 2011 I went with my ex sister-in-law to get shock therapy for her, I also watched a film with her that they had us watch on people with deep depression, and it was actually amazing how much it did help some. I seen some people in the film that they were so depressed. They were bent over and could barely walk because they were just so super out of it being depressed. Anyways, they had shock therapy and I was shocked how it helped them. It would be interesting to know how they would do with the injections I really was impressed because I never knew depression would do that to people to where they can barely walk, lift up their arms and do anything they were just so super sad , myself I also have anxiety and a little depression, and I take duloxetine also known as Cymbalta t, but I’m sure you already knew that ,lol anyways, if I’m ever up in the bay area, I will look you up. I’m all the way down here in San Bernardino County. I wish you were closer., also, I would like to ask you do you know if medical insurance covers that I am underneath United Healthcare? Thank you very much again for a great video and by the way you look well rested today take care and have a good weekend ☮️😎

[@gioiaferrante]

Isn't he an amazing caring doctor? If I had surgery on anything I'd love to have a doctor like him myself. People really don't realize the Anesthesiologist is the most important doctor in the operating room. People really don't realize their lives are in their hands. I think he's amazing myself. I'd travel from New York to have him myself. Great caring kind influence too People and other doctors on how they need to remember why they went into their specialties. He's got amazing caring bedside manor. I'm lucky any surgeries I've had I've also had amazing experiences from doctors like him.I agree with you 💯 👍

[@Americansangel]

@@gioiaferrante he is amazing and he’s also a awesome teacher. I love learning with him. He has a way of explaining things so we can understand better, i’m so glad I found his channel ☮️

[@gioiaferrante]

@@Americansangel I am myself I found it accidentally and couldn't understand why. I'm very grateful I did. My step sibling is a top sergyon in his feild and he's got that I'm better than anyone else audited many have. This doctor isn't like that what so ever and it's refreshing 😌. I agree with you on this. We need more doctor's like this. I wish more people would find his Chanel and KZbin shows myself. I ❤️ him myself. Staying kind and caring isn't hard. He's great 👍 👌 👏

[@Mari9472]

I had three sessions of Ketamin for pain. My first sessions seemed very dramatic. When I woke, a nurse was by my side, holding my hand, and the anesthesiologist said that I was very emotional. I asked her about it, but she would not share my experience under the ketamine. I did two more sessions, but after the third session, I felt no pain relief. My experience with ketamine concerned me. It's been a couple of years since those sessions, and I am still curious about what happened while I was under anesthesia.

[@TheFrugalMombot]

Yikes. I think they should have shared what occurred. I think it’s part of the healing process.

[@Mari9472]

It was a wild trip for sure, I don’t think I’ll ever try it again.

[@chocolate82467]

I have severe major depressive disorder for which medications have not worked. As a last resort, I was actually forced to have several rounds of ECT which unfortunately, didn’t work either. I’m still dealing with memory and cognitive issues from them. I’ve kinda given up trying to find anything that will help. 😢

[@leslieallen1989]

Please don’t give up trying to find something that works for you. You are not alone in this struggle. The fact that you continue to try is what makes you one step closer to healing. If I’ve learned anything from these comments here it’s that I was not the only one who went through every medication that was available and ECT was my last option at the time. I’m not the only one who had an ECT disaster or had complications that impacted my life. For so long I felt that it was me. I understand that feeling of being so tired of trying, other people acting like they had the right to decide for me because I was incapable and wasn’t trying enough. I have been dealing with anxiety, major depression since I was 16 years old and now I am 56. I’m still working on myself but sometimes it’s helpful for someone else to say “please don’t give up on you because you matter in this world.” The path your life has taken is the one less traveled but no less significant. There are so many that are not even willing to go where you have already been. Take a rest when you need to; just please don’t ever give up on yourself.

[@lisapeddicord8973]

Why not try the ketamine?

[@chocolate82467]

@@lisapeddicord8973 trying to get my insurance company to pay for it.

[@scottlangrehr144]

Ketamine therapy is a really successful treatment for MDD or Major Depressive Disorder

[@clairemurray3202]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@MedicalSecrets]

My pleasure! Did you learn something new?

[@clairemurray3202]

@@MedicalSecrets yes, I did and I have regular ketamine treatments for chronic pain.

[@swimfit57]

I would love to try Ketamine.

[@jsubsmixes3779]

I highly recommend. The dissociation takes away the need for needs. Gave up alcohol n tobacco. All negative attachments gone from my body ✌️

[@davidrogers9925]

Wonderful presentation!!!

[@MedicalSecrets]

Thank you! I hope you learned something new to advocate for yourself 🙏

[@Gary-lj7pi]

Keep it up brother .. Thanks ..

[@KS-sf2vo]

Thank you doctor Kaveh 😊

[@stevenkovler5133]

I was recently told that Ketamine is not good for severe anxiety. One explanation was that the Ketamine relieves the depression but not the anxiety. So the anxiety can actually feel worse. I would like a second opinion on this. I have moderate depression but horrible Anxiety.

[@TheFrugalMombot]

It can be helpful with PTSD, which almost always has severe anxiety as a component, so I don’t know why this would be. You might also consider MDMA.

[@miriamreeves9437]

Ketamine did not help me, but I believe my doctor told me it was good for both depression and anxiety

[@handsome_man69]

It completely obliterated my anxiety

[@joytulip2]

They will administer Ativan with the ketamine IV infusion … so the anxiety is minimized

[@betawan3195]

i personally believe the cognative functions through use of psilocybin is a better approach to start treatment, if i was given the option ,y/n? ,this wasnt a request for those types of drugs .i believe in the concept of trying to get a horse through a gate,sometimes it takes a few times before its brain/mind is in the right place to do it ,,so its not always good to just throw meds at a problem first without some kind of ground work being done

[@Sassyhound]

How does it compare to TMS therapy? I did 36 treatments and didn’t experience a lot of help

[@amygradybsw]

Thanks for the informative video! ❤

[@nondanelson9553]

I have been trying to get the administers of my Sprovato treatments to hear that the environment it is given in is as important as the strength and efficacy of the Sprovato. There is a need for feeling safe as well. Major depressive disorder, treatment resistent disorder, ptsd, anxiety...living has been difficult.

[@ninapoe]

One thing people don't always realize about ECT is that it's actually safer than some medications, more effective for people who can't metabolize meds well (they could have disease in their kidney or liver), and it's safe for pregnant women ( and their unborn child). Some meds are straight out contraindicated with pregnancy. ECT is safer for mom & baby in those situations. I can't imagine being severely depressed during what is supposed to a happy time and potentially not being able to care for a new baby because of severe depression.

[@zorintoto1167]

You left out TMS . I would keep ECT as last possible resort . I wonder if magnetic convulsive therapy is available is the US

[@PaigeBarrentine]

What about malignant catatonia? Does ketamine help MC?

[@gaylecook4101]

I had ECTs years ago because of major depression. I was in my 40’s I believe.

[@MedicalSecrets]

How did it work for you?

[@gaylecook4101]

It worked very well but I think it did affect my short term memory.

[@KimAdams-sx7yv]

Disclaimer: I have been working with psychedelics professional for a decade. The missing piece to this conversation is that there are insights gained with the use of psychedelics that are not possible with ECT. Additionally, no drug intervention or electromagnetic intervention should be used without intergration of the experience. The thing that stands out is that ECT can cause brain damage whereas the use of Ketamine causes marked neurogenesis- connections within the brain. From a medical perspective and from the perspective of this study, I understand the conclusions but the quality active experience of a person who works through a challenging feeling state inside of ketamine vs those that bypass them through ECT is invaluable. You are learning that emotions are transient which is a life skill ECT can not teach. Teach a man to fish as the saying goes,

[@soilmanted]

Before electro-convulsive shock therapy was used, for various behavior abnormalities, insulin shock therapy was used. Person was put into a coma by insulin I think. As electricity became more readily available than bovine and porcine insulin, ECT was used instead. Today we have Humulin available. This is human insulin produced by genetically modified microorganisms. I suspect this has made insulin safer, and also less expensive. I wonder why insulin shock therapy has not returned to common use. Of course many people are quite dependent upon insulin. They must have it every day, in order to feel well and be functional, just like someone addicted to heroin. Not sure if they develop a tolerance or not. I wonder what Dr Kaveh's opinion is on treating people with ECT against their will? This was quite common in the past, and some people today are still treated against their will with ECT. This certainly contradicts dr Kaveh's idea that any treatment onw arranges for, one should have confidence in it if one wants to get the benefits from it. By getting ECT against one's, will, this seems to be just the opposite of having confidence in it.

[@ninapoe]

My understanding as a patient is that inducing a seizure with electricity is far safer and more humane than inducing a seizure through insulin shock (which is very risky and can result in death). Also, you probably can't predict the timing of the insulin seizure as well, meaning you might not be under anesthesia.

[@scottlangrehr144]

ECT can only be used with the patients signed consent

[@soilmanted]

@@scottlangrehr144 I am not a lawyer but I think that there are situations where it can be used without the person's signed consent. I'm having trouble remembering his name offhand but I spoke with a psychologist regarding a patient at Pilgrim Psychiatric Center, an involuntary patient (2 physicians had declared him in need of inpatient observation and then in a court hearing it was decided he had to stay longer than the maximum 30 days that a 2PC would legally allow. Once in that situation, the MDs at Pilgrim were authorized to perform any treatment they deemed necessary, and an ECT was schedule. The patient hired a lawyer and was fighting it. He had already had a few ECTs, I don't know if they were voluntary or involuntary, and did not want any more. Now it's possible it was involuntary "hospitalization" that his lawyer was fighting and that I mistakenly concluded that it was ECT the lawyer was fighting, but I don't think so. I heard this story from a psychologist who was against involuntary ECT. I might have his name in my computer somewhere.

[@Suekyle]

Loved this video

[@chuckbolik7060]

Awesome tutorial.

[@catbb1000]

I've suffered with MDD since I was a teenager, I'm now 64. I started in '84 on Xanax and was switched to Prozac when it came out on the market. What a relief it was, made me feel " normal" so long as I took the name brand. Fast forward to age 57 I went into menopause. I had horrible depression to the point of suicide & developed chronic pain. The Prozac was no longer helping. They switched me to Sertraline. Eh, I have a constant level of depression that I would call a big nuance. I'm no longer sudical even on my worst days but I don't feel well either. They added Cymbalta, it did nothing for me so we stopped that. Tried trizinadine can't take it. Oh and I complain but my PCP who is an internest just doesn't know I guess where to guide me. I'm past sick of the medical system in this country.

[@johnwills3020]

You can get ketamine delivered to you anywhere, I was In the same situation and it lasted for 2 years but now with the aid of psychedelic medicine I am in my best place mentally and other areas of my life , I got it from an online vendor

[@johnwills3020]

You can get it from the telegram handle below

[@johnwills3020]

*Formulah11*

[@LauraMorrisrnmd]

I wish PET scans were done after ECT because a certain percent of patients have more severe cognitive changes and actual brain injury. This is an « N » of one, but in 2018 and 2019 a 68 yo female underwent 30 sessions of ECT and rapidly lost speech, memory, and cognition. She was placed in a nursing home for two years where she slowly and partially recovered. A full year after ECT her PET scan showed bilateral frontal hypo metabolism (brain damage). In general patients are not given informed consent prior to ECT, nor thorough testing afterwards. Worry about this, Dr. Kaveh! The dangers of ECT can ruin patients lives.

[@LeahEdwards-ih8fe]

My son is scheduled to have a ECT he suffers from schizophrenia thank you for sharing.

[@sonjamurphy]

I have tried DMT and the first time reminded me of psilocybin in magic mushrooms but a few times I tried it I felt like I couldn’t breathe and I don’t know if I actually had stopped breathing or if I was just imagining it. Does the good doctor know what that is about?❤

[@jsubsmixes3779]

It's that the dissociation makes you think you are not breathing in the trip but you are in fact still breathing ✌️

[@TheFifthWorld22]

🌟

[@turner2952]

Kratom not only relieves physical pain but also emotional pain. Being in constant physical pain and unable to perform normal daily tasks works on the mind and causes depression. Kratom is an all natural pain reliever and has no side effects. I was in the hospital a few months ago for major surgery, and I also fell and injured my left arm/hand/wrist while in the hospital. Kratom, CBD oil and red wine got me through all the physical and emotional pain. I had no help when I got out of the hospital, so I had to fend for myself. Sometimes we have to just find what works well for us in our time of need. Sometimes it's just God and us, and the medical establishment is not around.

[@sheryldumitru477]

Is Kratom by prescription only? Or a natural product I can get on my own? Thanks😊

[@LoremIpsum497]

used kratom for 5 years, first year worked really well but after the “honeymoon” period is over it becomes hard to maintain that elevated mood. I didn’t have much issues quitting it cold turkey other than minor flu like symptoms and anxiety. that being said, everyone is different and they need to do more tests and control the product

[@gregdietrich3378]

Great content

[@DixielandDelight0928]

I thought that while ECT was in progress, there would be sensors or some sort of monitoring system of brain activity that would indicate when a seizure was in progress and when one ended. Do they really rely on restricted blood flow and movement in hands & feet to make that determination?? Seems archaic.

[@MedicalSecrets]

No... We do not use that level of targeting

[@tanianigelwade8935]

Thank you for this information. Xoxoxoxo 👍

[@davidtuley8949]

Hey dude. Thanks for your videos. I have a ketamine infusion today. I thought of you when I decided I wasn't going to 💨 before the appointment. 👍

[@cmackiddie]

It's just enough to cycle a seizure itss not a MASSIVE ELECTRICAL CHARGE.

[@andreawisner7358]

I wonder if it helps with chronic fatigue and attention deficit. TMS is a good topic of conversation.

[@tarakersey6115]

No . Not me

[@monicamarion7262]

Very interesting video. I wonder if its available where i am and if its covered. Will have to mention that to my doctor next visit. Thanks. I suffer from depression plus anxiety and panic disorder.

[@drinkwalter9346]

Have you tried microdose on psychedelic mushrooms to cure your bipolar, there have been natural remedies for ages and they remain untapped, I have vets as friends who have used psychedelic and it has helped them tremendously , I get it from an online vendor that specializes on trades and safe prescription of dosage use , they deliver discreetly anywhere

[@drinkwalter9346]

And you can also get ketamine from them

[@drinkwalter9346]

The telegram handle below is the contact information of the vendor

[@drinkwalter9346]

*Formulah11*

[@Ramona5981]

Ketamine I thought I was laying between my muscles.. No way I ever want them to put me out with that again.. for a colonoscopy.

[@jeanward9984]

I am one big genetic abnormality and my body went crazy even on diseases, viruses things that I am supposed to be allergic to as well as medications.