Dr. Goobie’s Big Mistake 🚨 A Dangerous Take on Medicine

[@trollol_]

The fact that you can't accept Goobie's basic and valid point without a bunch of "buts" and ad hominem just reinforces the fact that sick care is broken.

[@jakeradi3634]

As a Type 1 diabetic I have come to understand how broken the system is. Insurance won’t cover things like continuous glucose monitors that have a proven record of helping people reduce their A1C. In my case, the CGM is lifesaving and has saved me many times from passing out from hypoglycemic events. These devices have a proven record of helping diabetics achieve better blood sugar control and reduce the risk of complications in the future. Unfortunately, medicine is only concerned about the cost now and these devices have been deemed too expensive to cover even though it can actually help reduce the cost burden on the healthcare system. The complications from diabetes are more expensive to treat than paying for prevention interventions

[@01xmidhat11]

I absolutely loved Dr. Goobie’s video. I followed and subscribed on the spot because of how much of what he was saying resonated with me, and I wanted to hear more of what he had to say. I do agree Medicine is indeed broken.

[@tal8871]

He's 100% correct that medicine is broken. Most of what he says is true. The reason why so many people resonate with him is because he's saying things people have already felt or noticed. It's not about saying "surgery is useless," it's about where we should be focusing on in terms of caring for patients. We should encourage people to take their health into their own hands and not promote false ideas like "a pill can solve anything" or "surgery will fix the issue" etc etc. Patients and the general society need to understand that medical treatments are band aids. The underlying issues most people face cannot be solved by medical Tx's, but rather only via a patient taking their health into their own hands. A huge part of this is mental health btw. It's not just about working out or eating healthy. It's about the perspective a person has, their spiritual connection, etc. This is why there's no shortage of crazy stories of patients getting healthy after taking psychadelics or other spiritual/perspective shifts. When people open their mind and realize that they can be healthy and it's in their hands, and most importantly when they reduce their physical obsessions. When a person is constantly running after this physical pleasure or that physical pleasure, they end up eating too much, sitting on the couch too much, etc. Our physical bodies are most healthy when it's serving our souls not our physical desires.

[@kevinjubbalmd]

many doctors push the lifestyle management changes. it's not the doctors, it's the culture and expectations amongst patients. i've seen this tons, not only in my training but also amongst extended family members when recounting their interactions with doctors. patients in the US often times say "that doctor didn't know what he's doing, the pill/intervention didn't work!" when in reality, the doctor copious counseling on lifestyle interventions and was using x therapy (e.g. blood pressure meds) not as a cure all, but as a adjunct therapy with lifestyle intervention.

[@tal8871]

@@kevinjubbalmd It's not about pointing fingers to see who's to blame. It's about figuring out the problem and speaking out about it which Dr. Goobie has been able to do on a large scale. Like you astutely pointed out, patients think that pill/interventions are supposed to be some magical solution for serious issues. Nobody gets frustrated if a band aid doesn't always work because they expect it to be a band aid. But when patients see doctors as someone who can fix every problem and doctors (some) play into this, showing off their prestigious degrees to send the message that they are the fixer of issues, then the patients rely too much on the doctors instead of seeing the reality, which is that there's no magic solution to their issues, just ways to alleviate the situation. Hopefully this will allow people to rely less on the medical system, but instead to see it as a helper for them to take care of the bigger issues on their own. I think one thing doctors can do better though is to promote the message that they are helpers in the Tx of patients rather than the "judge" that tells you what you must follow because you are too uneducated to think for yourself. I get that the current medical system is flawed in this regard because it doesn't give doctors enough time to have these longer discussions with patients. But this would be much better I think for many patients. Obviously what I say wouldn't apply to those medical issues that are completely out of one's control. But even in such cases, I think patients would benefit from not relying on the medical system as the sole Tx, but rather use the benefits medicine can provide and continue to work on healing in additional ways (ideally with the guidance of a doctor).

[@wordup897]

Great comment. I think the bones and teeth recovered from ancient people provide evidence that a natural diet and lifestyle have enormous impacts on health, as though that should even be in question. The so called "Blue Zones" provide further proof as people who are currently living "primitive" lifestyles have the longest life spans and best physical and mental health while spending zero on pharma and procedures. That this is not common knowledge is indeed proof that the medical industry is broken, or more precisely, concerned about profits above all else. The system is the 3rd leading cause of death and number 1 cause of bankruptcy in the US, and not a peep from the legacy media as we live in a system of corporate cartel cronyism that all fall under the same Umbrella. This operation makes the mafia look like pikers.

[@trollol_]

@@kevinjubbalmd copium

[@monicaperez2843]

My brother's best friend, a back surgeon, told him to do everything he can to avoid surgery, as the success rate is only 50% . . .

[@mustang8206]

All surgeries are a last resort, but spine surgery is especially one. I've had back pain for years from an injury in my right side but with plenty of squats and deadlifts most days it's completely unnoticeable and only really becomes an issue if I overdo said lifting

[@megbennett6490]

Twenty years ago I suffered a horrible attack of Sciatica. The orthopedic surgeon told me that no one knows how it happens, but that it will heal. He told me to lose weight and go into Physical Therapy. And to not consider surgery or Chiropractic treatments. He prescribed Norco in the beginning. Eventually, I did improve over time and PT. My L5and L4 are still touching with no disc at all. I’m okay at 81. But I do agree with Dr. Choi. I just got lucky and saw a competent orthopedic surgeon. 🥰🤩

[@stillth3sameg735]

It’s really interesting, comparing this video with its click-baity title and digestible format with how Goobie presents himself and his ideas… it’s really night and day. Goobie is out here addressing things that are way greater than just the medical field (in fact, he hasn’t even gone into this topic in any of his last several videos), yet it would seem that some people are still riding the coattails of drama from that first video for the sake of viewership. Key phrase, “it would seem.”

[@sho6501]

yea had to stop watching after I realized it was total clickbait minutes in. expected constructive criticism and solid second opinion. Instead got dogwater commentary.

[@jmn1238]

3:35 my docs never tell me to eat better

[@THExBIGxBADxWOLF93]

PLEASE READ! To be honest Dr.Goobie states most of his patients got better from a healthier life style. Eating healthy, Drinking more water, sleeping 8hrs a day, Stretching, physical Exercise, low Sodium intake, and Sweating. The facts is every doctor will never try to go this route for several reasons. 1) If it works there wouldn’t be as many patients with as many issues. 2) if he owns a Practice he wouldn’t make as much 3) if he works for a hospital they wouldn’t make as much 4) if a doctor told this to people. I bet 75 percent of the population wouldn’t even LISTEN. We don’t take our advice or even advice from loved ones so why would we from a doctor. if you think I’m wrong look around you the next time you go outside or in a store. Look at how many people are out of shape. People say it’s the doctors fault it’s the doctors fault when really we don’t even take care of ourselves like we’re suppose to in the first place. To be honest I’ve seen several doctors at age 31 and not one had ever approached issue starting with health. It’s always medication then if that doesn’t work off to the “Specialist” AKA Surgeon. Thank you have a nice day.

[@redburchell]

I watched the video too. He brings up a controversial topic of how MDs are incented, when docs are pushed to see more patients and do more procedures. It comes down to "healthy care" vs "sick care". There are many MDs trying to improve the process of healthcare, helping patients live healthier lives rather than meet them when they are already sick. This MD is just one of many. He is a bit earlier in his journey, but hopefully he gets involved in the movement.

[@dhillonb9036]

Its hard to change someones views especially if they are intelligent like Dr goobie.

[@exiledkenkaneki701]

I find some of his takes valid however I find many of his takes doomsday thinking and pretty ridiculous like when he says his patient's got rid of their back problems doing this and that however this ignores any follow ups and updates from there exact same patient, we don't know how they are doing now, hopefully okay but it's a completely ridiculous argument he made. His videos heavily used lacks nuance and I fckn despise how his video is mainly targeted layman who are already conspiracy driven people who had one bad encounter with a doctor and decided yeah medicine is broken The only highest issue in specifically America is the financial problem people face,, that's the thing that needs to be fixed

[@coffeemug3009]

What he said is nothing wrong, and diet does play a good part in recovery. Also the healthcare system is broken. He doesn't say you should not go for surgery if you have problems, but he also cautioned why surgery won't fix a bad diet. He might not be too specific in his advice but he is not wrong.

[@kevinjubbalmd]

agreed, all the conspiracy theorist laypeople latched onto this and use it as validation, when much of what he says is a gross oversimplification or just black and white incorrect

[@reddbendd]

I have myofascial pain due to spondylothesis, & sciatica secondary to si joint dysfunction. Eating better (just taking his advice) did relieve my pain to the point I’m no longer using opioids or considering surgery. Bash them as much as you want.

[@wordup897]

@@kevinjubbalmd The establishment (banking, pharma, insurance, media, education, military, etc.) tactics are now so overplayed and threadbare that a large segment the general public (what you authoritarians call "conspiracy theorist laypeople") can see right thru them. Just look at your smug intro, a page from Disinfo 101: Discredit all skeptics and critical thinkers by portraying them as idiots and paranoid lunatics ranting about "conspiracy theories". Do you actually believe in the year 2024 that conspiracies do not occur, or just that only the peasants would be so crass while the super wealthy are above nefarious acts? Let's have a look at the great "philanthropist" who created the AMA and allopathic medicine, JD Rockefeller. That was one righteous dude. But I get it, you spent a lot of time and money to get that license and you may need to pay back massive loans or at least want a hefty return on that investment. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." -Upton Sinclair

[@Joseph-kp4rv]

I think a lot of people tend to forget Austin Beraki and Jordan Fagenbaum (not sure if I spelled that right) of Barbell Medicine. They aren't nearly as active as I remember pre-2020, but they were on top of a lot of cutting-edge information and getting it out to the masses. I don't agree with all of their opinions, but when it comes to the latest science and research, they were definitely a huge catalyst for me in understanding great medical care. From ApoB, masked hypertension / guidelines, spinal injuries and general rehab - truly influential people, even if they never paid attention to my questions during their Q&A's lmao.

[@seetheworld-t7m]

Medicine in my opinion is relatively dangerous. The fact that most people in it dont really like to admit that they made a mistake, and everyone practices defensive medicine- try telling your doc an alternative treatment that might help you, and see if you dont get a litany on why medical research (skewed as some know) has not proven that alternative thing. Medicine should go back to more natural treatment first like in the ancient days before big pharma and insurance took over. I think doctors dont really have the time to do their own research regarding different studies. They just imbibe what the medical organisations (or the WHO- God forbid) tell them is right. Goobie I think is doing what he believes is right. And through his own experience and insight into it, rather than what the authorities tell him is right. Good on him for earning a lot of money! We should all celebrate that another human being has accomplished that and now he is on to greater things beyond the confines of the dogmatic medical system.

[@GoldStandard05]

You must not have watched Goobie's video. He said he wanted to do brain surgery. Specifically, he wanted to repair the brain so that artificial limbs could be controlled by the brain. That was his reason for going into medicine. After he finished his medical education and began practice, he found there just were not enough brain surgeries needed and that science was not at the point where he could do surgeries to connect the brain up with prostheses. So, he said the only other type of work he could do was spines. He did not choose to do spines for the money. Your entire thesis is wrong. He did not go into spines for the money.

[@kevinjubbalmd]

You clearly don’t understand neurosurgery at all. Watch our videos on the specialty and watch my first reaction video for additional context He should have done functional/stereotactic given his passions. Spine is what pays best and the money spoke too loud for him

[@tab8294]

​@@kevinjubbalmdfacts 💯

[@tab8294]

I don't know why I enjoy medical talks so much thank God I take biology I loved it

[@tulgaganzorig6046]

This dude is hater. seems like he been hating on people doing better then him all his life. You have a problem jokester 🤡

[@benjamincai1272]

This dude looks like the Darth Vader of medicine.

[@1212CSmith]

He appears quite provincial.

[@Montaser.Alhlaly]

I think General surgery residency + Plastic surgery fellowship will provide wonderful lifestyle and good profits if you work in Private Practice or you own the private practice.

[@mustang8206]

Your description of surgical process is a lot like the gym. When you first start you'll get stronger every week and it's fun and you think you'll be bench pressing 315 lb in no time. Eventually that progresses slows way down to the point where you're lucky if you can lift an extra 5 lbs after 6 months

[@barbara7750]

I got the impression that Dr. Goobie would have preferred to work solely on neurosurgeries because that’s the more elite specialty. If an orthopedic surgeon can do a spine surgery then it’s clearly beneath his skills (sarcasm here, don’t beat me). Unfortunately in real life neurosurgeons must be available 24/7 but spend a considerable amount of that time waiting for emergencies, not actively treating patients, so spine surgeries generate some income. Dr. Goobie’s father was a doctor and it’s quite likely he was expected to go into medicine even though it’s definitely not his passion. Sad waste of an education in a very needed field.

[@cubegoose-x5p]

He is right to some extent though. Surgery for nerve compression and spinal surgeries are 100% the last resort. Physical therapy and other conservative treatments are the first option by far, it is just that most physical therapists aren't equipped to treat complex issues like Thoracic Outlet Syndrome or other compression related ailments. I know that in TOS, many patients who get the surgeries get TOS again because the problem isn't addressed. Plus, complex surgeries have a low success rate.

[@gracelovesme-r3j]

For what it is worth, if a healthy lifestyle diet, exercise, pulse a lifetime of not smoking or drinking are all you need to prevent chronic and crippling diseases, then I for one should not be sitting here with a pacemaker, and advanced osteoarthritis. Maybe I'm just one of the unfortunate few, who after a lifetime of healthy living, still find myself needing medications to control blood pressure and statins to lower cholesterol. Just unlucky I suppose!

[@mustang8206]

Well you didn't list your age and we all develop conditions as we get old. Heart disease can be genetic so yes you probably are just unlucky. As for the osteoarthritis, your job and type of lifting can play an impact. If you did a very physical job or did lots of heavy lifting then you can get osteoarthritis. For example, powerlifters have very high rates of osteoarthritis

[@trollol_]

who told you your diet was healthy? clearly it's not

[@reddbendd]

man i met this really attractive woman for the first time in like 5 years at the pain clinic. every tjme i hear pain medicine im daydreaming

[@Natsu19981]

One thing i wanna know why do people really have problem doctors earning. Isn't every profession supposed to be paid or are doctors another species who are immortal and don't need food and shelter. I know we save people and shouldn't take anyone's life for granted. But that is true for every profession.

[@reddbendd]

I think its due to the fact that the $compensation, & how much the patient improves do not correlate with each other. Especially when compared to alternatives. Which are not as highly compensated, but typically more peoples symptoms improve using those methods & without any bad side effects, than the alternatives. Spine surgery can cost a lot of money, & sometimes patients get worse. (Iatrogenesis) The same cannot typically be said for something like psychotherapy or physiotherapy. Like psychotropics, the more effective they are, the more side effects they have & this is raw data being given to you. Not come inference being made. Which is why I’m doing NP instead of MD. Is there really any dollar amount appropriate to give a person responsible for saving your life? No. Trauma surgeons dont get paid enough compared to CNOs and CRNAs. Both may only work 40hrs/wk, and still get paid the same amount, but some CRNAs might only perform elective cases. might not be saving anybody from dying. That doesnt really change their compensation, though. Same for the CNO

[@curiouslyeternal]

Envy

[@kyleat17]

Love you Dr Jubbal

[@bettysmith4527]

I think a good surgical role if you want a constant challenge would be a pediatric cardiac surgeon, because.you are working on hearts that might all be slightly different if they have a congenital heart malformation you are trying to fix. I would never ever have spinal surgery, unless it was a trauma type situation, have never met someone who has improved after having spine surgery!

[@josephkeyes7800]

I would be really interested to hear your take on Casey and Calley Means and their book “Good Energy.” Casey means was on her last year of ENT residency when she left because she felt like the system was broken. Likewise her brother Calley worked in the pharmaceutical companies for a while after leaving because he felt it was corrupt.

[@EmilGabrielNYC]

Is that your car in the background? Are you filming in your garage? Porsche?

[@kevinjubbalmd]

It’s my Lotus! Jubbal & Cars KZbin channel for more!

[@EmilGabrielNYC]

@@kevinjubbalmd love it bro! I knew it! Will definitely follow you!

[@samkeino6810]

Kevin, what happened to Memm? Did you guys abandon it or perhaps roll it into Medical School Insiders? The last video on the Memm website is from three years ago. If defunct, why not take the videos down?

[@kevinjubbalmd]

Memm is still very much a thing! We try to promote sparingly here and on Med School Insiders because they are educational channels but I still speak about it occasionally. More info here: memm.io/

[@samuelbrown9665]

I think it’s clear that he is suffering from high burnout and apathy. Hearing his story, he seems to have gone into neurosurgery with the perception that he could cure disease entirely and has become disillusioned with the reality of medical practice - its imperfections and frustrations included - due to his inability to produce god-like cures for his patients. Medicine is imperfect, that’s part of the beauty of the profession, but if you expect to be perfect (as many neurosurgeons must) you’re likely to burn out.

[@KenmanG1982]

Has anyone confirmed that Dr. Goobie was a real neurosurgeon? Just saying, given the MIT thing and the fact that this is the internet. Leeeeeeeroy Jenkiiins.

[@doctoratta7007]

Yes. A doctor has come out to say they’ve worked together in the past. Dr Betsy Grunch

[@grapeskunk4003]

He reintroduces himself in the comment section of his most viewed video as Jonathan Choi

[@zanyaboutit]

He is just a typical East Asian who were good at nothing but studying. Harsh for me to say this, but this is true. Because of that he lacked any insight or deep thinking about his life. What? After all those years, he said 'This is actually not for patient', 'I feel skeptical about my job as a doctor', etc.? Those are the thinking you should have done way before you decided even to enter into medical school, not after all those years. And I want to say to him, please don't pretend to be a wise guy or some saint with brilliant realization. No.

[@giacomoperin4883]

Exact same thoughts i had going through the video; how in the holy saints of paradise does one go though half a career in neurosurgery without ever asking themselves such fundamental questions? Has he ever read a book other than medical textbooks? It's almost as if he has gone the whole way through his education with this self inflicted tunnel vision, from stimuli depletion that is.

[@kiwisky9736]

There are many doctors who cosigned his sentiment, who are not East Asian. A lot are Indian just like Dr. Jubbal. Dr. Goobie just had the balls to speak up. Let's be objective here with evidence. Indians are from a pseudointellectual culture who are great at orating and semantics to appear wise and intelligent, getting to positions of power, but do they deliver? Whole country is a disorganized, hot stanking mess (you can smell it from the computer screen), no innovations compared to the West and East Asia. East Asia = overall organized and efficient, results don't lie. India is the most populous country in the world, low Olympic medal output (talking and naval gazing doesn't get you anywhere, you have to actually put in the work), East Asia is always in the top 10. Lot of big time leaders who brown nosed and euniciated with noble white night speeches to the top, like Sundar Pich, Rishi Sunak, Laxman Narasimhan (Starbucks), but who have all failed miserably due their lack of vision and innovation. All of these things reflect the cultural values and thinking that make up the Mighty Indian Man. According to your thinking, East Asians are just good at studying without anything else? Indians are the the most educated Asian Americans, which would indicate they too are good at studying, but then like was cited, what is there to show from their culture? East Asian thinking is collectivist, pragmatic, logical, results don't lie. Indian thinking is self centered, resulting in low quality output overall.

[@kiwisky9736]

He just reflects the logical, pragmatic, and collectivist mindset of East Asians, actually thinking about the wider community around them. He had the balls to speak out and point out the elephant in the room. Let's be objective here with evidence, using Indian as an example, since you like to make generalizations about entire groups of people and our good ole Dr. Jubbal is from India. Indians are from a pseudointellectual culture who are great at orating and semantics to appear wise and intelligent, getting to positions of power, but do they deliver? Whole country is a disorganized, hot stanking mess (you can smell it from the computer screen), no innovations compared to the West and East Asia. East Asia = overall organized and efficient, results don't lie. India is the most populous country in the world, low Olympic medal output (talking and naval gazing doesn't get you anywhere, you have to actually put in the work), East Asia is always in the top 10. Lot of big time leaders who brown nosed and euniciated with noble white night speeches to the top, like Sundar Pichai, Rishi Sunak, Laxman Narasimhan (Starbucks), but who have all failed miserably due their lack of vision and innovation. All of these things reflect the cultural values and thinking that make up the Mighty Indian Man. According to your thinking, East Asians are just good at studying without anything else? Indians are the the most educated Asian Americans, which would indicate they too are good at studying, but then like was cited, what is there to show from their culture? East Asian thinking is collectivist, pragmatic, logical, results don't lie. Indian thinking is self centered, resulting in low quality output overall and bruised egos out for revenge, like Dr. Jubbal is clearly fixated on Dr. Goobie what the hell? Harsh for me to say, but this is true. 🤷

[@pinkdew7280]

East Asian thinking is logical, pragmatic, and collectivist, thinking of the wider community overall. He had the balls to address the elephant in the room. Let's be objective here with evidence, using Indian as an example, since you like to make generalizations about entire groups of people and good ole Dr. Jubbal is Indian. Indians are from a pseudointellectual culture who are great at orating and semantics to appear wise and intelligent, getting to positions of power, but do they deliver? Whole country is a disorganized, hot stanking mess (you can smell it from the computer screen), no innovations compared to the West and East Asia. East Asia = overall organized and efficient, results don't lie. India is the most populous country in the world, low Olympic medal output (talking and naval gazing doesn't get you anywhere, you have to actually put in the work), East Asia is always in the top 10. Lot of big time leaders who brown nosed and euniciated with noble white night speeches to the top, like Sundar Pichai, Rishi Sunak, Laxman Narasimhan (Starbucks), but who have all failed miserably due their lack of vision and innovation. All of these things reflect the cultural values and thinking that make up the Mighty Indian Man. According to your thinking, East Asians are just good at studying without anything else? Indians are the the most educated Asian Americans, which would indicate they too are good at studying, but then like was cited, what is there to show from their culture? East Asian thinking is collectivist, pragmatic, logical, results don't lie. Indian thinking is self centered, resulting in low quality output overall and bruised egos out for revenge. Dr. Jubbal is clearly fixated on Dr. Goobie, this is actually hilarious to see Dr.'s breaking character. Harsh to say, but true. 🤷

[@CNCiel]

Unfortunately, with a lot of people, there is no opportunity for such insight. I am certain that even today, a significant portion of people who become doctors are either forced or pressured into joining the medical field. (maybe less so with Americans but very common still in Asians). "Freedom of thought" doesn't really exist for people who belong to certain cultures who are told from a very young age that studying is the most important thing. They get good at studying which is what A LOT of getting into medicine and even the first few years entails. And once you get into the "system" i.e. medical school and beyond, then crippling debt, sunken cost fallacy, family pressure and the fact that as you mentioned, all you're good at is studying, keep you trapped to finish the marathon.

[@richiemd777]

"Primary Care doctors begging patients"? Bro.. they barely stay in their room for more than 10 minutes. The sad thing is, it's always his own people (Medical professionals) that'll chew him up.

[@exiledkenkaneki701]

Mostly doctors don't infact tell theirs patients diet, lifestyles modifications, including ever single doctor I know

[@careborne]

Isn't this obvious? Why do you need someone nagging you?​@@exiledkenkaneki701

[@Gus24823]

​@@exiledkenkaneki701 How many patients will follow through if you reccommend diet and lifestyle interventions to them? Very few, heck even doctors themselves have the shittest diet and lifestyle despite knowing how important it is. Everyone with a brain knows you need to exercise regularly and eat a balanced diet but who actually does this? If you have metabolic syndrome and your doctor just tells you to "change your lifestyle bro" would you feel like that appointment was worth your time/money? Even if the doctor provides you with a detailed plan on how to adjust your lifestyle factors how likely is it that you'll follow this plan? Many patients already have difficulties with adherence to treatments and medications what makes you think they will be able to implement diet and lifestyle modifications whilst grappling with everyday stressors of life. Dr Goobie thinks he discovered something revolutionary but fails to consider how hard it is for the average patient to contemplate these things when they're working a full time job and raising kids.

[@khoitran8467]

@@exiledkenkaneki701opposite for me. Different life, different circumstances I guess.

[@shobsickle]

Comes back to the other issue he brought up which is the monetization by corporations. Either you don't even get a doctor (you get an NP or PA instead, but they still bill you like its a doctor) or the docs are made to see impossible amounts of patients.

[@tulgaganzorig6046]

But why you keep talking about $ thou lol

[@careborne]

He is likely depressed. Thus the "wisdom." Hopefully, rest will benefit him.

[@KarnbirRandhawa]

Kevin, can you make a video on your thoughts about Bryan Johnson's daily routines?

[@tulgaganzorig6046]

This guy is a joke.

[@Rob_430]

Goobie speaks 30 m/hr, you speak 90 m/hr. lol! I don’t get bored!

[@workinonit7508]

First

[@chimichurri2612]

Finally someone making sense. Goobie's nonsense is just comical at this point