Is Tai Chi LEGIT?

[@KevinLeeVlog]

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[@PracticeTaiji]

It works fine if you understand how to use it, like Dr. Cheng explains. He gave an excellent description of the purpose of Push Hands practice as drills for attribute development, rather than fighting techniques. Cultivated attributes can become components to refined martial skill, but the dills themselves are not for fighting - which is a source of a lot of confusion about Tai Chi Chuan/ Taijiquan. Very glad to see Dr. Cheng back on the channel. Thanks, Kevin!

[@antoniostrina82]

Every technique works if applied in its actual way. I liked master's two statements: "It's just a drill" and "we have to face it". Many masters think their techniques should be applied as they learn them in their drills. Many don't want to face that application is different from drills. This is basically why their technique don't work in actual fights, as MMA and many full contact competitions taught us. Anyway, show us some real fight Tai Chi, please, just like the real Mantis style applied by Ravenswood Academy.

[@wayne3093]

I feel any martial art depends on who is using it and their mind set. Dr Cheng can clearly defend himself if he needs to with the emphasis on if.

[@hanksimon1023]

Excellent presentation! Too many decades ago, we learned that Push hands was the analogy to speedbag training and shadow boxing in boxing. The first level - fixed, even up to peng lu ji an, was to learn Ti Feng: lift and release or uproot and push. We also learned applications of Fa, Na, and Hua for the movements, so I didn't learn much about kicking or throwing, until we learned some of the shuai jiao Tai Chi form. I don't know if sticking, or applications are taught much, today.

[@DxModel219]

Kevin you need to come to Silicon Valley and touch hands with Ken Cheung or Ben Der. Their Wing Chun has tai chi forces.

[@PracticeTaiji]

Dr. Cheng gives an excellent description of the purpose of Push Hands practice as drills for attribute development, rather than fighting techniques. Cultivated attributes can become components to refined martial skill, but the dills themselves are not for fighting - which is a source of a lot of confusion about Tai Chi Chuan/ Taijiquan. Very glad to see Dr. Cheng back on the channel.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Absolutely! Thanks for watching!

[@PracticeTaiji]

@@KevinLeeVlog Very good channel. 🥋

[@GVH1305]

Interesting. It’s more for seniors.

[@PracticeTaiji]

@@GVH1305 Taiji is for anyone. I began at 23. My teacher began at 12. We maybe seniors now, but only very glad for lifetime spent practicing.

[@sway71]

A big part of any grappling art is "hand fighting", and Tai Chi push hands is amazingly good training for that. I knew a former wrestler who fell in love with Tai Chi and would constantly share how each technique or exercise could be applied in a common wrestling situation. That first touch is so important, but it lasts such a short time compared to all the techniques that follow, so this is very smart to slow things down and spend more time exploring that initial contact.

[@jashardwallington]

Thats dope

[@silverfireVRgaming]

So many people fail to see the importance of these drills because they're not "immediately practical" in a fight. They don't realize what they're supposed to teach. This was an excellent video and Dr. Cheng did a superb job of explaining it. Thank you for sharing it! 🙏

[@rojcewiczj]

A key point to understand with push hands and Chinese martial arts in general, is that your power is directly related to your balance/position. In solo practice you are training your balance/positioning by transitioning between different postures, in push hands both people practice their balance/posture while in contact.if your balance/position is correct you can easily express your whole body force, but if you get locked up with using force then you'll never improve your balance/positioning

[@rustydj]

So great to see Dr. Cheng explain Tuishou in a way that is understandable to anyone that are skeptical of Taiji (based only on the slow movements they see).

[@dominionpredatorcontrol1091]

Drills build skill and skill is used in a fight

[@KevinLeeVlog]

💯💯

[@superslyai3675]

Exactly, Tai Chi drills saved my life, twice.

[@bujorstefan9306]

​@@superslyai3675how did Tai chi drills save your life?😮

[@superslyai3675]

@@bujorstefan9306 I was young and fit, had six months of one hour a week Tai Chi classes and the teacher was always explaining to us the real life situation the movements where designed for. For a parking place dispute, 2 "middle age ", maybe 45 and 55, wannabe local mafia guys started to attack my girlfriend, I quickly got their attention and the older guy charged me with an umbrella, low spearing running style, I just stepped aside, grab the umbrella and favor his charge, he crashed in the photographer heavy glass vitrine and knock himself out cold, the youger one, his son I guess, had already a chair rised in the air, ready to crash it on my head, I pivoted in a low "horse riding' position" and with a "hands in the cloud" mouvement grab his wrist and had him fly over me to land face first on the granite curb, he was really dazed, maybe as mush as myself, as I was so astonished by the result that I stared had my hands for a second wondering if I suddenly had superpowers. My girl and I disapired in our building, went to hide with a neigbourg and could hear through the first floor widows how these 2 idiots explained to the fire brigade how they where attacked by a loony than ran away. They coudln't say and admit that they got theirs asses kicked in a fight by by single guy. Second time I send flying a guy and his knife 6 metters below, in the very, very, cold water of the harbourg. So yes, Tai Chi saved my life twice and I advice it to all who ask me about it. Hope this answer your question fully and if your are not already, don't hesitate to take some Tai Chi classes as it is good for your health and self defence too.

[@superslyai3675]

@@bujorstefan9306 Sorry but I typed a long reply with the full story this morning but somehow it seams that it got "deleted" by the channel. I don't fell like doing it again. Anyways Master Cheng in the video above explain very well and shows exactly how it works in self defence.

[@camiloiribarren1450]

Great to see this! Push hand/TueiShou is a great drill and we call it Kakie in Okinawa karate, still helpful and I enjoy these drills to open the mind to see how counters can be done

[@RICHARDCLARKNINJA]

i AM SO HAPPY YOU A RE-VISITING HIM I spend my whole life trying to let people know martial arts (wing chun and taiji) etc through my instruction and to know what they are all about - real deal techniques with many benefits and yes real self defensive combat

[@gallashaw6]

Thank you both, Dr. Cheng's explanation of push hands is clear as a bell! I learned a lot❤

[@Bene_Singularis]

Tai chi is an important part of Kung Fu as a whole. Even while doing any other form of martial arts, these principles are fundamental. I think the main struggle is often about alternating between "straight" and "round" movements. My take is that the best martial artists will know to use both. Very nice video. I keep talking about the combisaison of pummeling and sticky hands to everyone I train with. Those drills are so important and go so well together.

[@trondyne3513]

Actually the "engine" that TC uses is quite different from something like Wing Chun, it also operates at an even closer range so, there's that.

[@kobe51]

Very good instruction. I've very rarely seen any martial art coaches teach this way. Usually i see a bunch of ego, competition, one upsmanship (as if they are in a tournament)or just running a class and hoping you show up again next week.

[@peterwang4077]

Dr. Cheng explained these exercises superbly !!

[@alLEDP]

Kevin you are the greatest! I find it so funny that you are genuienly impressed and happy by the things those instructors and masters show you. At this point you are the 'oh wow' guy and that is a good thing!

[@gaylonmcdowell3823]

We definitely need more videos with this Sifu.

[@nagasen3850]

We need more channels like this

[@Urayuss]

God, Kevin, I'm absolutely IN LOVE with your content lately, man. You've been killing it! I've been using some of the information you've shared with us to speak and train more intelligently with my martial arts friends. I'm about to go into the dojo for some Saturday free training and i think I'll show some of your videos to Sensei today. He's currently a shotokan teacher, but his true love is closer to wing chun. I love that he's invested in the Chinese arts in a way many karateka aren't. So. Much. Good. Info. Thanks a million, man!

[@B..B.]

The other guys have a meltdown when I say karate is a Chinese martial art...they hate me

[@Urayuss]

@B..B. oh my GOD how annoying is that??? Like they refuse to even entertain the idea while simultaneously also refusing to do ANY historical research that shows Karate absolutely evolved from southern Chinese martial arts. To be fair, however- i would agree with most of them that Karate is not a Chinese art. It was born from the union of Chinese arts, Okinawan influence, and then further evolution among the many Japanese masters and later masters of other nationalities. That's a little pedantic of me tho

[@B..B.]

@@Urayuss imo I do say it only to mess with people. But a lot of times I was surprised by how people get mad as it is a sin to say it, so I keep saying 🤣🤣. But I agree with you, it was born out of SC martial arts and keep evolving with the time

[@JaredGenesis444]

he is truly epic

[@jashardwallington]

​@B..B. you should aslo say kung fu is a indian martial art an that it comes from Kalaripayattu

[@simoncamm1128]

Thank you so much for this excellent teaching! So much to gain from this material. 🙏

[@FerLiao]

Muy buena explicación sobre 推手!! 👏👏👏 A los estudiantes tambien les digo que al comienzo es un ejercicio de sensibilidad, y la idea es poder "escuchar"/聽 al oponente, hacerlo un hábito, y de ahi ir avanzando y agregando diferentes habilidades. Muy buena entrevista! Saludos desde Argentina! 😁☯️

[@michaelfox3486]

It took me a while to discern someone's skill level in Tai Chi Chuan. When they can S-L-O-W-L-Y and easily take your center while you wrestle to stay off black ice and fall into the Void, you have found someone skilled. Not physical force. Best to be 6'2" and find someone 5'5" who can do this to you rather than be 5'5" feel force of someone 6'2" and think they have skill when they do not. Best when they are in their 70's or 80's and you practice MMA or wrestling and try to grapple but they are like trying to grab water with your fist...the water is gone then it squirts you in the eye.

[@ShadowParalyzer]

When it comes to discerning someone's skill, one of the signs I picked up is the diversity of what they show. Does someone just show you the same thing over and over again? Or do they show you a diverse set of stuff? For example, the guy in the video has a "go-to" move over and over again which is locking someone's arm by pressing the elbow up from below. He does it over and over again even in other videos. So to me, I have to wonder: "Huh.... why is this the only lock he ever shows?"

[@jamestan4165]

Dr Cheng with the awesome throwback Nike cross trainers! Loved the clip - thanks for putting it up!

[@ishetrying]

I really appreciate the point about minimalism. So much of taiji is about doing as little as possible while achieving positive results.

[@geoatherton5214]

Great video. It was awesome seeing you both click into that combination of chi sau and hubud towards the end and move between them, expanding the game. Also loved the demo of going from locked up to relaxed and moving the joints to absorb the pressure. Buttery!

[@BMO_Creative]

Great video Kev! I gotta say that learning some push hands did even improve my boxing... Especially inside boxing and slipping punches.

[@davidmiller4078]

Well done Kevin great guest to have on again I have been fortunate ti have trained with some good teachers over the years especialy members of the Britiish Council for Chinese Martial Arts based in Leafy Hertfordshire Great Britain Richard and Simon Watson who persauded Prof Li De Yin and Master Wang Yan Ji to visit and do seminars summer camps and weekends But there are many able local groups and clubs out there with varied slyabusses designed to develoop the many differant forms into practicle self preservation methods Good to see Kevin cheers

[@rickeymckissick2065]

I’m glad you are explaining the difference between Cabada drills and real combat because they often confused Kic drills versus real combat and they should understand the combat drill is teaching you formulas to do your encounter and your attacks. That’s what they should understand. I’m glad that you rephrase that.

[@kuzushi_kev]

I have a buddy with a tai chi and wing chin background that comes in to train at our aikido dojo. It’s kind of crazy how much overlap there is between all three arts. The idea of stickiness and connection is huge across them. Also hand positions and the idea of taking angles away is another big one. Great channel!

[@georgieman1910]

I still have Mark's Combat Tai Chi vhs set from Unique Publications!

[@LightGlyphRasengan]

I really appreciate dr. Cheng's realistic explanations and applications of the style. 👍

[@gosunflower]

Another fascinating video, thanks!

[@dmcc1703]

Great stuff. I appreciate your digging deep into the nuances of these styles.

[@rickmortis]

Thank you Kevin, I learned a few things and I've been studying Taijiquan for over 20 years.

[@gordonboot]

Love this video. Thanks for sharing Kevin Simplicity in essence, so many layers & much depth within this short tutorial., which when recognized can be applied to every day life-activities, engagements, encounters an challenges. ❤☯

[@simont.b.2660]

Nice explanation of some practical, applied aspects of Taiji Quan. Thank you !

[@blockmasterscott]

I really enjoyed this. Good stuff! 👍💪👊

[@dailymeditateandchill3262]

Tai chis worst enemy has been most people in the tai chi community who don't understand tai chi. I've heard MANY people who think push hands is Tai Chi, in the same way many wing chun believe chi sao IS wing chun. They're drills

[@larryrichards3668]

Excellent explanation of the drills vs actual fighting.

[@mattnobrega6621]

Great insight. The movements remind me of some of the old kung-fu movie choreography. Thank you for sharing. 😌 🙏

[@manuelzapata1192]

I love your videos Always interesting.

[@fangjian]

What is displayed here is external training similar to how most WC people do chi sao, hubud, etc. Taijiquan push hands is about finding the elements in your own body to transform using different force vectors applied upon you. Taijiquan and other internal training modalities are about discovering how to 'song' the body. The transformative aspect of this (yijinjing) is brutal and not for the faint of heart. Many look at the outer/external shapes of Taijiquan and falsely assume that they are 'applications' (ie, brush knee = blocking a kick, part horse's mane = armbar, etc). The external shapes exist to facilitate the opening of the body's joints, sinews, etc. The 'sticking' aspect is actually not about trying to 'stick' to your partner/opponent (this is a very common misunderstanding), but they become 'stuck' TO YOU (na jin) . This is due to the hacking, if you will, of their nervous system. The only time to 'stick' to THEM is when you want to 'follow' (stick, adhere, join, follow) to maintain the JOIN

[@jordanrock3494]

Blind folded Chi Sao will take your sensitivity to the next level.

[@jordanrock3494]

I also love adapting the drill for judo/wrestling. There's so many levels to the drill that I never see anyone really using it to the degree that me and my cousin would.

[@rastanonascension5246]

💯🎯🧬☝🏾☀️☝🏾☀️❤️💫

[@jordanrock3494]

@robyenney951 That's what's up brother! We practiced it everywhere and under every condition we could think of. The variables and outcomes from environmental interactions and adjustments were next level.

[@Shaolinfluencer]

Yes you will learn to fish for hands and get trapped easily real chi sao it’s about exchanging power to get stronger structure and harder punches

[@PapaFred25]

Just found your channel and watched through your shorts, I really love your content man 🙏🏼

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Thank you!! Much appreciate it!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@stevemeisternomic]

This video also shows why there is so much skepticism towards traditional martial arts. UFC has messed up people's minds into thinking that you can only face force with force, and that skill is something to be looked down on. It has taken the art out of martial arts.

[@georgieman1910]

no it has taken out the 'mixed' in mixed martial arts. It's become a 'crystallization' as Bruce Lee would say. Fixed, static, boring. No evolution.

[@B..B.]

​@@georgieman1910 agree with you. MMA has 3 or 4 crystalizations nowadays

[@nyhyl]

That is absolutely not the problem. The problem lies completely on the side of traditional martial arts and I say that as a passionate practicioner of Taijiquan. The problem is PURELY that practicioners of TMAs don't spar realistically and under pressure and that is why sparring-heavy styles dominate in the UFC. Their main advantage is simply actual experience within chaos. We also spar with more intensity than pushing hands and the results are obvious. You only learn fighting by actually fighting. Period. Expecting to develop fighting skill in Taijiquan by only doing abstract exercises is like expecting to become a boxer by only hitting the speedball and heavy bag.

[@ehisey]

Force on force counter is the simplest and easiest to develop. Look at the training history of and time of many fighters. You got guys in there 20s that started late teens, so have 5 years under their belt and trying to stuff in 3 or 4 arts worth of dissimilar skillsets. They will never really develop the advanced applications of any single skill set. Most MMA guys get trounced when they step in the ring with a dedicated style/sport becuase they just don't have the depth to match. Which is the opposite issue from single style/sport guys go to MMA where they lack the breadth of skills to handle the variety of options.

[@radiantmind8729]

Literally no one thinks skill is something to be looked down on.

[@petemitchel1454]

If “fighters “ don’t see the value in the art of martial arts they miss out on so much. He explains it really well

[@RazielKirin]

The final and most important aspect of close quarters combat. Kumi Kata(Grip Fighting) Has been lost in translation through time. It is the basis of all throws(Nage Waza). To fall even on the knees symbolises death. This is the reality of combat on the battlefield. Thank you Kevin for showing us the context of application behind Wing Chun.

[@innerray]

This video is really informative and helpful for my push-hands practice. Thank you very much !!

[@Sam-z1c4o]

Kevin please take some more lessons with Dr. Cheng about 24 forms martial performance of Tai Chi as his explonation is really acceptable for everyone who is interested at the subject🎉

[@mikeunderwood659]

Brilliant stuff; very interesting👍

[@lady_draguliana784]

excellent vid! this was also a good insight into clues for determining if your practice is being fruitful for what you want it to be, and whether of not your instructor is leading you down the path you want to be on. Drills are fantastic tools, but they need to be understood. this is one of the many aspects of the _deeper meaning_ that needs to be analyzed and understood, referred to by many masters in their written works (it's also one of the aspects of Bunkai (分解), it's not _just_ kata! 😖) imho, if there is a dividing line between a "practitioner" and a "master", of _any_ style or system or skill (even beyond the martial arts) then this would be it; master of both the physical aspects, but also the theoretical ones, _driven by this deeper analytical understanding_ for example, getting a black belt in Karate only means you've learned all the moves, and can apply the fundamentals; and are ready to _begin_ your deeper analysis and understanding of the theories. This is why some folk say that a black belt is "when you're ready to _start_ learning"

[@Arcknight9202]

I'd love to learn some of this but it's not available anywhere where I live.

[@ehisey]

Unusual to see push taught the way I was taught. It is really practical when you get it, but yeah it takes times to develop the skill.

[@HuaJinGenius]

I love how in the recent years the Hua Jin concept has been in proccess of rediscovering, it's a very useful concept, the redirection can be used for transition to hit, grappling or throw, there's this Technique that even allows to return 100% the damage to a opponent by blocking in a certain way

[@kimuraarmlock]

the skills hes showing are really essential fundamentals of rickson gracie style jiu jitsu.

[@40JoCharles]

Another great video. Thanks for sharing. 🙂🙏🏼☯️👊🏼

[@Aniontedone]

Great explanation wow!!!!

[@DarkLight-Ascending]

This guy is awesome

[@eyeofcycle9973]

would be great to see tai chi's push hand vs wing chun's chi sao drill

[@count9667]

Better to learn as many attribute drills as possible, instead of one slice of the pie, get the whole pie!

[@Jenjak]

Mixing them is pretty fun.

[@Erime]

Meeting force with force CAN be sustainable - if you've practised zhan zhuang standing for long enough and developed a good root/structure (only yiquan practitioners seem to do that properly these days, however, but it's there in Chen style tai chi, anyway). The 'yielding' is used mainly for the grappling aspect of tai chi - and just like wrestling vs boxing striking, it is easier/quicker to learn. Very few tai chi people have an appetite for proper zhan zhuang these days, and so they can only demonstrate some stand-up grappling stuff - no powerful striking with planted feet (again, because they neglect the foundational zhan zhuang which hones that aspect). But go to the taichi classics, and you'll find: "When there is movement, everything moves. Movement refers to expanding. When expansion finishes, there will be contraction. Then when there is contact, you can turn smoothly and will be strong everywhere." 動則俱動。動是開。開中寓合。觸之則旋轉自如。無不得力。Gao bagua respects the necessity for zhan zhuang, and so does Chen style tai chi, and of course modernised xingyi - yiquan, does - placing it at the core. Neglect that profound aspect, and it will be to the detriment of internal Chinese MA's reputation on the global stage. As a result, one never hears about these MA in modern MMA. It's a great tragedy - and it's all in the tai chi classics. There's no good excuse for it. It's nice to be the 'chill' smooth flowing tai chi guy at parties, but on the world MA stage, everyone's laughing, bro.

[@johndough8115]

Its a common problem and misunderstanding... in Wing Chun's Chi Sao drills... that the goal is to try to "WIN", by hitting your partner. Chi Sao isnt supposed to be like an actual Fight. Both participants are supposed to randomly present "Weaknesses" that can be exploited.. while they Roll. The goal, is to see if the Other guy can not only Sense the weakness... but also, exploit it... before the Narrow time-window, has Expired. If both people roll with perfect position and perfect vectored energy.... then neither really should be suddenly "Attacking". You are supposed to be "Listening" for the Flaw, before you launch a counter / attack. So the main goal of Chi Sao, is to develop the Highest Levels of Tactile Sensitivity, with flawless responses + the quickest response times. The same issue has happened in many Tai Chi schools... where they have tried to turn Push Hand drills.. into a "Competition"... that is in the spirit of a "Fight". It was never really designed, to fully represent combat (just like Chi Sao). Chi Sao, is clearly based on Push Hand drills... as WC was developed, by using the highest level fighting technology of its Era... and that would have mainly been from the Internal Arts sources. Wing Chun differs from all other Chinese arts... because WC is a "Reduced" art. It was specifically designed to be used by Rebellion fighters... and needed to be able to be learned and fully mastered, in less than 6 years of daily hardcore training efforts. Where as most Traditional Chinese arts, were designed to take like 15 years, to fully learn + master... And you tended to start training in them, as young as 3 years old. As such, it makes sense that WC's version of a sensitivity drill... is again... far more Limited in its responses, compared to what you see from the full Push Hands drills / exercises. But that said... its still operating from the same physics / principles. Once you have developed a high level of Sensitivity... its then up to you, to TEST these abilities in actual sparring sessions. When you first try this... you are likely going to fail spectacularly... because the fear and higher stresses, tend to cause you to lose your focus and structures. You also have to learn to transition from the Drill technology / methods... to understanding how they translate these things in actual combat situations. The main difference being, that "Range" is no longer Fixed... and so you need to learn how to Bridge safely, before you can Operate well within that framework + range, that you trained for. As such, you have to now master all of these things, in a combat context... and that could take a few months, or a few years... depending on your skill levels, your frequency in sparring, whom you are sparring against (different sizes + strength levels + skill levels) , and many other factors. Its also often thought that Tai Chi does not use much more than Palmstrikes.. and pushes. The thing is... Palms and pushes are mostly used for safer training, and general principles of functionality. However, in actual combat.. you would not limit yourself to only using palm strikes. And you would rarely be pushing the OP away from you... and instead, just be striking them with Lethal level blows, using Explosive Short Range Power (Fajin). Tai Chi also has a deep and complex Chi-Na Grappling + Throwing section of training. As well as teaches how to fight, using several different Weapons. Such training goes FAR beyond mere forms. You need the actual Combat drill training... and the thing is.. its rare to see anyone in Modern Tai Chi circles, that teaches them. Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming, is one of the rare few, that Ive seen that teaches the COMPLETE Tai Chi methods, including all of the Weapons Combat drills + In Depth instructions. Ive of course, only seen this via a few of his books, and seeing some short video clips from the longer DVD videos, that he sells. He also is a Master of many other Chinese arts... as well as teaches in depth Qigong practices. It would be amazing, if you could get a video session with him... before he passes.

[@Rippedguy32]

Hello Kevin! Can you please make a video, on how to practise wing chun without dummy, at home, i still can't understand what drills to practice, to maximise efficiency of training, what drills to do to overcome the fear of being punched in face, to block punches more effectively, and punch the enemy as well, i can't buy mook Jong right now, and can't also pay for classes

[@SmilinDeath-455]

Hi Kevin Lee. 👋 Great video. I really enjoy that there is always something new to learn no matter how long u have been training. 💯 I learn something new evertime I watch 1 of ur videos. Thank u for thaat education. My ? Is, What is that thing hanging on the wall over his right shoulder? Tan, red & yellow? Just curious. 🤔 Much 🤟 Kevin Lee. 😉🔥🥃🍻🙏🍜

[@EliteBlackSash]

Watch Push Hands Champion, Tui Shou Chen, sparring with Marcelo Garcia. There it is on video. He held his own with a Legend. BUT, his weakness was leg hooking. So, Tui Shou is great foundation. But then it needs to be integrated back with the wider skills of Combat Shuai Jiao (Chinese Wrestling with Strikes) and Sanshou (Free Fighting and Sparring). Chen Wangting was a soldier, and Yang Lu Chan worked for the Manchurians. Both circumstances means Grappling and Weaponry was a massive part of their study.

[@ch355_]

"understanding the minimalism" was a pure genius statement

[@mider9996]

Hey Kevin, great videos. Are you ever going to try Systema?

[@123waterchiu]

Tai chi focuses on grappling which will be effective and stamina efficient by using own weight unbalancing enemy (especially big guy) via two hands catching one hand. Two suggestions: 1. His elbow facing you, use Grasp Bird's Tail kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqqwnGusj79_pJosi=_4l10lKucyz068eZ 2. His elbow pit facing you, use Kouchi makikomi or Tai otoshi kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJKzn3R5bb6aeLMsi=oC1XRfHKVCtVm1HU kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZPamIGDoZKUqLcsi=5avJOCVi9yhUaEso

[@Tondor50]

The argument about "what works" is often pretty silly. I don't think anyone would argue that Marines don't get great value from doing push-ups. Nor would anyone argue that being good at push-ups is enough to make you a great Marine.

[@NotHeitu]

This. While nothing is perfect, traditional martial arts likely had the time to refine themselves to give everything they teach purpose. Of course, purpose may get lost, but that’s only more of a reason to open your mind more to understand movement better. Don’t force yourself into structure with a solid foundation, expand that structure with a solid foundation.

[@fightflow3165]

Love the flow of it looks systema like but not as useless.

[@jamesdelb6885]

Thank you, both.

[@chrisserong]

Dr Mark! 🙌🙌🙌

[@KrzysztofJarzębiński-l2k]

What I noticed is Tai Chi focuses how to sustain intention of movements in greater period of time (which is not easy trying to focus only on it) than repeating same movements in faster fashion and better awarness of your structure. It's very different approach than popular martial arts or self defense systems but not wrong, as you mentioned good way to learn principles, awarness and good habits. Learn simultaneously how to generate power, penetration (which I think have a lot to do with intention), do some kind of strenght and speed training and you would have some pretty effective routine.

[@belikewater2413]

Can you do a next part where you actually spar, would be incredible to see it live

[@SpicyMcHaggis]

So inspiring to train.

[@ellisburton8733]

I love how super yang individuals enduringly dis Tai Chi - keep on trucking guys, you're missing sooo much.

[@marcelavergara7455]

“Oh wow!” ❤

[@JoergSiegwarth]

actually I am sick and tired of those discussions on KZbin. The question what is more effective or even „better“ is not the question we need to ask. We have developed a deficient culture than looking for the ressources. Everybody wants to win, be better but fighting is not a blueprint. It depends on so many variables if somebody wins or loses. That why we have competitions with rules for the same sport. Martial Arts is about the beauty of movement not about competition. That might come in place later. We should highlight this and not the never to be answered question of what is better. People who ask this question should go out and practice first, enjoy the process, have fun. But, this is what the video is all about. So I enjoyed it, Kevin. Thank you.

[@JCServant1]

How do you apply this when you’re dealing with out-fighters? I find taichi works well when a connection is made but what are the methods for engagement or in hunggar, it’s called bridging.

[@ShadowParalyzer]

Originally, Taijiquan had a second form called Pao Chui (Cannon Fist) which is all about non-connection. It has a lot of hitting, done rather fast - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rn-rqJ-Aa5utZtEsi=fJk2qDZw7aG-8o6Q&t=22 But Yang Style and its derivatives never inherited Pao Chui. Generally speaking, the paradigm of Push Hands assumes physical contact. Once that contact is broken, that is no longer push hands. Instead, that is San Shou (Scattered/Broken Hand). And you might realize that San Shou is also a "sport" - you might be more familiar with the term Sanda instead. But Sanshou doesn't need to refer to the sport itself just like how Shuai Jiao doesn't need to refer to the sport of Shuai Jiao. If I am utilizing an application where I sweep and throw you, that is under the genre of Shuai Jiao, but that doesn't mean I learned the sport of Shuai Jiao. It's a more general term. So you're basically asking about San Shou. Taijiquan originally had this aspect, but very few practitioners nowadays have retained a robust toolkit of it. While Chen Taijiquan (the original form of Taijiquan) has Pao Chui, most people do not know how to use it. And culturally, Taijiquan has sort of just gravitated towards emphasizing Tuishou over everything else. And that might be due to safety reasons since grappling is generally safer than striking when practicing with resistance.

[@JCServant1]

@@ShadowParalyzer Thank you for your reply. i'll look into it. I'm familiar with Sanshou/Sanda and know the Chinese characters associated with it. Is Pao Chui these characters 炮拳? are you familiar with pao chui training to direct me towards?

[@ShadowParalyzer]

@@JCServant1 Pao Chui (Cannon Fist) is 炮捶, but it's also referred to as Er Lu (Second Road). Chen Taijiquan has two forms: Yi Lu (First Road) and Er Lu (Second Road). Yang Taijiquan has one form, and it's derived from a subset of Chen's Yi Lu, and they have a lot more repetitions. If you take Yang's form and remove the repetitions, around ~30-35 sequences remain. In Yi Lu, if you remove the repetitions, around ~50 remain. Therefore, Chen Taijiquan has a bigger curriculum than Yang Taijiquan because in addition to more content in the first form, they have a second form that's more advanced - built upon the foundation of the first form. There's this guy's Er Lu if you want to watch the choreography from start to end - kzbin.info/www/bejne/one0qZWQmNudmq8si=86om52VYzFRDqsIo But, having observed Taijiquan forums for many years now, I would note that almost nobody talks about Er Lu. There's actually not a lot of information about it online because other styles don't have it, and very few people in Chen Style are good at it. From my perspective, Taijiquan is a dying art.

[@ShadowParalyzer]

@@JCServant1 The characters are 炮捶; it’s also known as Er Lu (Second Road). Chen Family Taijiquan has two forms: Yi Lu (First Road) and Er Lu (Second Road). Yang Family Taijiquan is derived from the Chen Family, but they only have one form, derived from a subset of Yi Lu. Their curriculum is therefore much smaller than the Chen Family. You can find videos of Chen Yu teaching Er Lu in a public setting. Here’s one of his disciples performing Er Lu - kzbin.info/www/bejne/one0qZWQmNudmq8si=NmQtUz1-xTtGnBVQ Er Lu is built on top of the foundations of Yi Lu; it’s more advanced. Contrary to the stereotypes of “Tai Chi”, it’s done fast.

[@dlhatch8]

Excellent!!!!

[@tonydare7614]

When chi sau in wing chun is correctly taught and practised, it is identical to push hands here.

[@xdragon2k]

This is the second time I heard about learning in a low stress environment. I forgot where I heard the first one.

[@danlewis7707]

My main question? How did you get to the dojo today? Did you take the 5 and then over to the 10 on to San Vicente? Or did you just keep on up to Santa Monica or Santa Barbara? Or Palisades Park? Why don't you just get out of here!

[@wendellbradley5032]

Please is the Doctor located?

[@CanadianWolverine]

How can we know this can be combat effective without resistance?

[@ShadowParalyzer]

There are paradigms in Tuishou that involve resistance, but the problem is that people immediately start to think of the competition Push Hand stuff which is mostly garbage. One of the problems with push-hand competition is that there isn't a big enough population of skilled practitioners to partake in them. You are not even required to know Taijiquan or any martial arts to partake in them. In some competitions, it's like a gathering of untrained people who have no idea what they're doing. There is also the problem that because nobody knows what they're doing, they take stuff from other arts such as Judo or Shuai Jiao to make up for the lack of Taijiquan applications. So a lot of the Taijiquan stuff that seems to "work" is actually a result of taking some from other arts because they were never taught Taijiquan applications. And while people would cry out: "They're just cross-training!" I would argue that replacing one art with a completely different art isn't cross-training.... that's just.... learning the second art to replace the first one. And the big excuse they give is: "But it has the Taiji "PRINCIPLES!" There is a teacher who wrote a blog post that he learned Western Boxing and how it has the "Principles" of Taiji.... I call bullshit. I call that: "I know shit for striking, so I learned Boxing, but I am branding it as Tai Chi."

[@senecaknowsbest8380]

all martial arts are developed to work in a specific setting, whether it’s a shield wall or a sniper. Taiji works well in narrow alleys and hallways where little lateral movement is possible. It certainly isn’t suited for a battlefield.

[@carlbrewer4598]

I would love to train in Tia chi I trained in Tia chi when I was younger

[@MartialArtUK]

Kevin Lee will you push hands with a chen style master?

[@shoguncustoms]

Great video

[@BramBramSyailendra]

very interesting..how to use tuisho to deal with grappling and judo ?

[@Jenjak]

Push hands can help you finding good positions for wrestling, and all the rooting, sensitivity and yielding skill will transfer perfectly to grappling. You just have to learn actual grappling techniques and tactics to cross that bridge effectively.

[@Jenjak]

Judo though is a lot about fighting for the kumikata (position of the grip in the opponent's Gi)... I never had success against good judokas 😅

[@MehrdadParthian]

i admit my knowledge of chinese martial arts is very limited and i could be completely wrong about this, but from most of the videos that i have watched online of chinese martial arts, it seems like, they're all designed for close range, and suffer greatly from a sniping opponent. and by that i mean somebody who stands in mid range and tries to take his opponent off rhythm by attempting to sucker punch with jabs or maybe even a 1-2. rarely have i seen a kong fu or more specifically wing chun video dedicated to explaining what to do with an opponent that has a long reach and attacks from mid range or long range. i would love to see a video about that someday.

[@ShadowParalyzer]

There's this notion in martial arts of not playing your opponent's game. If your opponent is really good at striking, grapple them. If they're really good at grappling, hit them. Whatever your opponent is good at, you don't play their game. So if someone is better at long-distance sniping me, then mirroring that approach is a losing battle for me because my opponent will always be better than me in this game. Conversely, if a wrestler wants to fight me, you hit them. If he's better at me at wrestling, why would I want to play his game? I will play the game that he least wants to partake in. So this is a type of strategic mindset that some Chinese martial arts adopt, but this mindset is really only afforded to the styles that have a diverse enough toolkit. Wing Chun, for example, isn't particularly diverse. Their toolkit tends to be quite small with a narrow/limited scope. For example, I wouldn't rely on Wing Chun in a grappling-only format whereas some Chinese martial arts can purposely handicap themselves by only using their grappling paradigm to give Judo/Shuai Jiao players some trouble.

[@MehrdadParthian]

@@ShadowParalyzer yeah. i totally agree. and i kind of was saying the same thing, that i wanted to see Wing chun's response to mid/long range punches/kicks. i know there are chinese grappling martial arts that aren't talked about that much, and i would love for them to get the spotlight someday.

[@Purwapada]

Push hands was originally called "grab hands" in Chen style and it had stepping not just standing like cemented to the ground

[@ShadowParalyzer]

Huh? So it was called Na Shou?

[@Purwapada]

@@ShadowParalyzer yes

[@SaadSyed-bt3yp]

Bro can u do another episode with ur sister she was very skilled

[@vitalec2055]

This guy knows his stuff

[@U.W.Y.H.L.]

Im never implying one should be arrogant or disrespectful, but it’s actually become this from people not just simply stating absolute facts about the main issue of martial arts which is internal versus external realities! Qualities are developed in internal martial arts that when understood and practiced correctly totally and utterly dominate any other aspects PERIOD! Anything else anyone does aside from internal martial arts mastery has pretty much an even advantage as no matter what you’re doing you’re limiting yourself to two out of three levels of the epitome of what humans can achieve! Sifu John Cogan, an Australian wing chun practitioner best describes the three levels as Strength, Structure and State! If people like in UFC or any other fighting arts type setting choose to only dwell in the two realms of strength and structure then in theory they remain no match whatsoever for a seasoned internal fighter, who’ll not only be able to efficiently and effectively counter and or control an external fighters every move but also totally devastate them if necessary with extremely powerful strikes! Now the “arrogance and disrespect” I’ve mentioned above is either from external practitioners or those ignorant of internal martial arts reality, or internal practitioners being too passive to give honest and straight up answers even if people are but hurt over it! This is really sad and misleading on a global scale, and thus to this very moment soo many people still think internal martial arts are fake let alone it being effective when all one person with real internal experience would have to do is show it’s true power to an MMA skeptic on a video like this and in a sports setting but ironically no one ever does it. 😳🤦🏻‍♂️🙄/👌✌️🤲☝️🤔

[@andrefagundes2157]

Amei aula 🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋

[@jackedwards2363]

Would love to train with you both love sencenativity

[@B..B.]

I wish I learned more about all of it before

[@lopa-u9f]

if you can, you should check out the movie By the Sword it's fencing but, fencing is fancy 'push-hands' in a simulated combat scenario and the movie has numerous scenes of top-notch choreographed spars that come off as lessons it's an unheard of GEM that the sport community should be exposed to/spread around

[@stanleyyeow1667]

Can taichi work against an experienced grappler?

[@mightymite3958]

"When contracts I expand, when he expands I contract"

[@Torvzjk]

When an Asian man speaks better than me, has training in a garage....watch out

[@stewforwords]

Narrow is the way, and few there be that find it.