KewCast Episode 24: Diadem Hush, "Gen-3.5" Ace Heart Paddle, JOOLA 3S Paddles

[@anthonyng8800]

37:50 eddie "it grabs balls" 😂 youre welcome

[@EddieK-PB]

🤣I knew it, as soon as it left my mouth, that someone was going to pick up on it! LOL

[@bryanyee7]

Are you going to do a detailed review on the Diadem Hush quiet paddle?

[@romanhernz3839]

I played with the Hush at recreational environment, with caution with no problems I do have the power, but played soft with it love it. So play responsible and have fun with it. Nice video like always thanks.

[@roguegaston]

Looking forward to hearing more about the CRBN Genesis TF paddles. Soon hopefully?

[@wensdaypickleball]

Late September apparently

[@hendrikdewit628]

Where’d you find out about this paddle at I can’t find any info on it

[@jimwaldemarsen472]

Ask Chris Cali where Thomas Wilson is. Not much has been said about him. Injury? Issues with his heart again? He hasn't posted anything I have seen with and update. I'm a big fan of his.

[@DannyBPlays]

Mod ta 15 is so garbage to play against

[@WarrenT-ub1iy]

I couldn't find a USA Pickleball Quiet Approved Listing on their website for Diadem Hush. The only quiet approved paddles on their site are the OWLs ???

[@robertharless3304]

The surge hits almost identical to the m1 forza. The om aero is nice hitting paddle. But the grit wears out quick

[@boli1974]

So does the Ace Heart have two layers of edge foam? If not, could you let me know what paddle has two layers of edge foam? Thanks!

[@barney9997]

Thanks for another informative podcast. As much as I like power and especially spin, the Hush cannot be good for pickleball. Someone is going to get seriously hurt. I recently played in a 4.5 league match against a team of young, skilled bangers who used delisted Joola Gen 3 paddles. It was no fun.

[@grant5864]

I'm surprised your league allows them. Pretty sure every organized event in my area has them banned now. Anyway I heard tons of people in 5.0 who aren't sponsored are using the Gearbox Pro now, so bangers are still pretty prevalent.

[@tonym753]

@@grant5864the pb club I belong too doesn’t care what you hit the ball with as long as you pay your membership dues. Free for all in public rec play.

[@barney9997]

@@grant5864 It was a loosely run league that's now finished. I mentioned the delisted paddles to the league organizer and he just kind of shrugged his shoulders. He didn't want to get into policing paddles. With the recently released Joola Mod TA-15's playing the same as the delisted Gen 3's, I guess these types of power paddles are here to stay. I actually hit with a TA-15 this morning. It's a fun paddle to play with, but these increasingly more powerful paddles are going to ruin the game.

[@sbinsdca]

It was the same in the past playing against delaminated paddles. Those were rocket launchers.

[@HowieB-isMe3885]

As to that new Hush- I think they should require a senior citizen card for purchase.

[@gg80108]

And under $100. I'm a 4.5 senior gonna get one. Better wear eye protection.

[@tonym753]

@@gg80108me too. I hate the way the game is headed with these hot paddles, but what choice do we have? If you can’t beat them you have to join them

[@1Frst693]

The game is evolving and you have to change with it. If someone has a hot paddle, you can’t come to the net on weak shot. You might have to fight from the baseline and wait for your opportunity

[@HowieB-isMe3885]

@@1Frst693 i’m not worried about me. I have plenty of power and I’m very fast. The thing is there’s a lot of people who won’t be playing this game anymore if it’s gonna become all power.

[@gg80108]

@@HowieB-isMe3885 i just bought mine. 25% off labor day sale. Im 75 4.0

[@keithheintzleman7831]

Excellent podcast, as usual. I just checked out your new Paddle Database. I like it a lot. 🙂 I found it much easier to sort on metrics I wanted (e.g., spiny, average or high powered Standard or Wide Body). Note: Your PIKKL Hurricane Pro paddle power metrics appear noticeably higher than other Reviewers. Could you have received a prototype or non-standard paddle from PIKKL?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Glad you're liking the new dashboards! The Hurricane Pros I tested were production models. Like with any other paddle, it's possible I got some outliers that were hotter than the average. I do have another, unplayed one that I'll test to see if it's more muted

[@keithheintzleman7831]

@@johnkewpickleball I hope to see a full Hurricane Pro review. My brother, his sons and I bought Rombus's based upon your quality reviews and I bought a Ruby last December. Like you, I liked the Ruby's high spin, higher-power, and lower-pop. I added 5-grams/side and 10-grams on end-cap. The Ruby's center-surface is now smooth. I'm presently planning on trying a ShapeShifter, but wonder if I should get one of the forthcoming new paddles instead (e.g., Ripple, ...).

[@MattsPickleball]

Pickleball approval bodies like USAP and UPA-A have unique standards and equipment metrics, making it unlikely for a paddle to be certified by both. This situation is similar to youth baseball, where different bat types (USA, USSSA, BBCOR, and wood) exist with varying certifications. In baseball, the Bat Performance Factor (BPF) measures a bat's impact on ball speed, with different organizations having varying BPF standards. Similarly, pickleball uses the coefficient of restitution (COR) for a comparable purpose. While future developments might see governing bodies agree on a standard testing method and consistent COR value, other measurement criteria will likely remain different. As a result, we'll probably see paddle companies create two different products, each meeting one certification criteria, or ignore one certification entirely. This mirrors the baseball industry, where manufacturers produce separate bats for different certifications rather than a single, dually-certified product. The key point is that unless certifying bodies agree on standards, we're unlikely to see paddles certified by both organizations. The baseball bat industry demonstrates that when certifying bodies have different standards, manufacturers typically produce separate products for each certification rather than a single, universally approved item.

[@sbinsdca]

I bought a Hush. It plays great. Very soft with nice feel. I didn't feel like it had significantly more power or spin than a PPE. IMO, the paddle shines with controlled aggression, depth and placement rather than full power and spin. Hit it too hard and like all power paddles, the ball is going long. It doesn't have enough spin to dip the ball when hitting full power. The muted sound IMO is also a plus.

[@afterthesmash]

With that spin number, I guarantee it can dip the ball at full power into a halfway decent headwind.

[@sbinsdca]

@@afterthesmash that recorded spin number is too high IMO.

[@NexusPickleballUSA]

Would love to hear your take on our Nexus ProStar titanium surface and foam injected core paddle.

[@MattyRut2922]

Agreed. Coretek also has some foam injected cores, but there are limited reviews on them. They used 3k and 18k carbon fiber, but no titanium. I think the Nexus Prostar will likely out perform them.

[@jeffreyunderwood8625]

I heard somewhere that Ronbus Ripple had UPA sticker approval. Have you seen or heard about this?

[@Syndrome88]

So what's the selling point of Ace Heart compared to what we have on the table?

[@romanhernz3839]

Hi John I called Diadem to asked them how to clean the new Huff paddle and did not much luck. I think the surface is not carbon fiber , if you fin d out please let me know appreciated!

[@Newchiii]

It’s an EVA foam surface, I imagine a slightly damp cloth would suffice.

[@El_Guap]

@@Newchiii It's actually eTPU not EVA, from diadem's website "Meet the Hush, featuring its innovative eTPU foam face designed for minimal sound and quieter rallys." ...but you clean it the same. Damp microfiber cloth.

[@Newchiii]

@@El_Guapmy mistake, I remembered it as EVA. But that makes more sense

[@romanhernz3839]

@@El_Guap Thanks do you have one if you do you like it? thanks again

[@diademsports]

Hey there! We recommend cleaning the Hush with a microfiber towel and the tiniest bit of rubbing alcohol. Less is definitely more when cleaning the surface of the Hush!

[@joeypupillo5210]

Officially which paddle has more pop and power, the gearbox or the mod?

[@sbinsdca]

I've had my GB Pro Ultimate for a couple weeks now and I'm feeling the increase in power after breaking it in. I liked the way it played initially better than broken in. Hopefully can adjust. I'm also interested in trying the Mod.

[@RTJ-PB]

Hi guys - thanks for the awesome pod - can you talk about the difference in performance of using a concentrated short led tape strip (3g bars) vs. using the same weight in a 1g per inch or 1/2 g per inch setup? So assuming we are talking same target location for tape, let’s say 4 and 8, but on one setup the length is much shorter (3g condensed strip) vs the other setup using 3g spread out with a .5 g per inch setup.

[@lesterma1608]

I like lighter lead tape more spread out!

[@bippie999]

If I get a Slyce cap for my MOS TA-15 paddle would you recommend a 1/2 or 1 ounce? I already have 3 gram lead tape at 5+7 o’clock.

[@bolbi858]

Do you think the spin will degrade slower than carbon fiber paddles on the Hush? As someone who plays every day that might be big for me

[@johnkewpickleball]

Yes, almost definitely. The spin on the Hush is from dwell time and friction, rather than surface roughness.

[@bolbi858]

@@johnkewpickleball That was my thought. Thanks so much, you're a great influence in the community!

[@garygorgo3600]

Maybe I'm old fashion, but I like graphite paddles like Engage pursuit EX. I tried Carbon fiber paddles but still like the graphite. Could you recommend a new paddle with graphite I should try with power and alot of spin?

[@jamesa.4454]

Jonh i love love your channel you are fantastic at what you do. I'd like to see a review on the TKO CX 12.7 BANTAM PADDLETEK

[@ArianaWilson-]

Learn a lot on your podcast. How does the Thrive Surge compare to the HUDEF Mage Pro Gen2? Look forward to your video.

[@TCW1977]

Did you both play the Hush stock or would you recommend lead tape on it ? and if so, where ? I'm a short older female and struggle with bangers at rec so interested in getting it.

[@terogan]

That actually fits. Johnny was a drummer as well.

[@johnkewpickleball]

@@terogan Hahaha, I had forgotten that fact

[@Jimpickleballuk]

You mentioned a couple of pod casts ago that a new paddle was coming, you couldn't say who....but, it was going to be very good... I'm looking to change paddles soon, but am hanging off till you announce what it is.....do you know when you'll be able to update us?

[@johnkewpickleball]

@@Jimpickleballuk unfortunately, that paddle release has been pushed back, so please don’t wait on it

[@UnexplainedToday]

Let's get a take on the nexus prostar

[@halohawkxx]

So question then.... what happens if you as a player can generate higher than 2500 RPM (your testing)/2300 RPM (their testing) just off their own mechanics & form? Would that make the paddle illegal, or how are they gonna regulate that type of skill? On a side note... I'll pick up this Hush Paddle now just to see how stupid things get😅 would this be crazier than a current Gen 3 paddle? O.o

[@sbinsdca]

It's not as crazy as I was hoping. Definitely some hype going on with all the reviewers. It's a really nice paddle and the sweet spot is large but slightly high on the face. The ball leaves the face predictably, unlike some of the other power paddles. It takes a few minutes to get used to the way the ball is pocketed. I play with a SW grip on drives. I'll have to try it tonight with a full western grip.

[@Rock-cz5hv]

What about control of the hush

[@sbinsdca]

The control is good once you get used to the feel. But, you still have to pull back for full on drives - if your drives are strong. Otherwise, the ball is sailing out. You can do shorter dipping drives as the paddle creates nice spin. This is a good option for older people who can't create their own power but want to compete with younger stronger players.

[@airwalkmike]

is there a paddle like the hush that isn't muted? I love the sacking sound

[@sbinsdca]

The sweet, crisp sound of a bodybagging

[@claytonaddison3451]

Do you think the Ace Heart will have that break in period and make it hotter after a bit of playing time?

[@pomper8366]

Great podcast! What day will your review be?

[@86309]

John, I have the MOD 15 but in 14mm, what weight slice cap do you recommend for the 14? additionally, from playing with the AB 14mm Gen 3 to this Perseus 14mm Mod 15-TA , the MOD doesn't seem to have as much juice in drive and pop compared to the Anna G3. Now regarding the Hush- where I play GB Pro Power Elongs are everywhere....my Mod 15-TA seems slow. ...maybe just maybe.

[@johnkewpickleball]

If you go to SLYCE's website, they have the MOD-TA-15's in the dropdown menu. Interesting that your Anna G3 has more firepower. The Hush is insane, ha

[@pomper8366]

@@johnkewpickleball yeah but what gram option

[@samsongausch5814]

For what its worth stock caps are not that far off from the half ounce slice so you may want the full ounce slyce cap to really notice a difference.​@pomper8366

[@86309]

@@johnkewpickleball thanks, ill check there.

[@johnkewpickleball]

@@pomper8366 1oz (28 g)

[@MattyRut2922]

I can’t wait to get paddles that never lose spin (please don’t reply with a Proton comment).

[@HeavyAndLow]

"It grabs balls" LOL

[@fe0g]

Kew - what color is your melin hat!

[@wd122]

Thrive Surge 💯. There’s currently only two reviews on KZbin for this. Please fix that!

[@rusty935]

Nobody cares about it shill

[@gg80108]

This is a novelty until it gets tournament approved. The other reviews say it's head heavy and slow hand speed.

[@HowieB-isMe3885]

Please remember to fix the Monarch speed numbers

[@johnkewpickleball]

I retested the Monarchs and the new numbers are up on the database

[@samuelpierce7664]

What about the break-in testing

[@65atBestPB]

Curiosity question about the Hush paddle. I have found I don’t like paddles that make me shorten my stroke on full forehand drives from baseline. That is determined by combination of power and spin … enough spin can keep big pace in. Did the two of you find you had to adjust/shorten your drives with the Hush? I guess same question for 3 gen Joolas. I had the problem with Oni once it broke in … I can hit big spin and it wasn’t enough. I am finding more and more I’m better off with moderate power and full swings, both baseline drives and swinging volleys in the transition zone. I want that 2600 rpm 😛 … but with less power.

[@65atBestPB]

Not sure why I can’t edit my post here … so a reply to myself. Some context … could take full swings from baseline with Vatic Pro V7 16mm and Flash 14mm, not Oni.

[@sbinsdca]

You do or the ball will sail long. It may not with a full western grip but with that grip the ball may have too much height and arc and be easily smashed.

[@Eric-Denton]

The certification stuff is kinda crazy... Sure, have a barrier to entry to reduce the quantity of paddles they have to review/certify, but dang that's a lot of money for some of these companies... AND they have to get certifications from 2 (maybe more in the future?) organizations? oof.

[@kevsknavs]

I have the OM. Great feel but spin degraded quickly

[@STEVEBOZIC]

Love the new paddle database John! Question for you about the spin #’s for the Proton Series One Type-A 11MM - could it be that the paddle you tested wasn’t “broken in” and that’s why the spin #’s are a little lower than they should be (as compared to the 15MM for example)?

[@johnkewpickleball]

It's possible, because I'd played a few games with the 15mm before I spin tested it. It might also be variance in the nanotac surface

[@theluisgonzalezjr]

Hope to see more reviews on elongated paddles!

[@padflash]

"There's only about 20 paddle companies in these pro sponsorships at the PPA level..." does this account for players that come through the qualies and wild cards? I would think it doesn't impact top ranked pros or ones who are making it through the draw each tournament all that much, but players that are trying to break through, it could be more impactful to them.

[@KO1967]

Great ... competitive rec play is going to be a $h1t show with every player grabbing the hottest paddle approved by either USAP, UPA, or quiet paddles and no ability to regulate the local court paddles based on "an" approved list.

[@sbinsdca]

Don't worry too much. All the power paddles' are quickly approaching "terminal velocity". They can't get much more powerful without destroying your individual game from over hitting the ball. IMO, the next goal will be increasing the spin potential. I can't see anything beyond the Hush for power and spin. With the Hush, I'm enjoying the spin more than the power. Dipping shots and topspin lobs are divine.

[@madelinetavarez538]

I don't want to spend on paddles. I would like you to talk about some cheaper ones that are good to play. THANKS

[@downwinder3]

Sorry john....HATE the new paddle database

[@kimleith1378]

How does the HUSH dink? I have a OM ENVO (concept) that is pretty quiet but is a rocket.

[@johnkewpickleball]

Soft game with the Hush is as expected with a very powerful paddle - hard to control. You really have to play with Downy-soft hands at the kitchen to avoid pop-ups

[@jonnygibaud7954]

The Aero¹ EVO definitely hits it fast. :)

[@pomper8366]

You said said you recommended a slyce cap on the mod. Which size cap? And what does it add to the feel of the paddle

[@johnkewpickleball]

There's a dropdown menu at SLYCE's website that has the MODs

[@pomper8366]

@@johnkewpickleball thanks but how many grams theirs 4 options

[@pomper8366]

@@johnkewpickleball like what weight works best for your paddle

[@johnkewpickleball]

@@pomper8366 Oh sorry, 28 grams is what I’m using

[@pomper8366]

@@johnkewpickleball does the 1 oz cap higher the sw at all?

[@alexpazmino4762]

Is the diadem hush approved for tourney play?

[@gg80108]

No

[@adamheath4599]

I don’t buy gen3’s being the drop off in Riley’s performance. He was having a really good first half of this year and the gen3’s were around then too. I think the main drop off is that he’s playing less competitive play. He skipped like a month or month and a half of ppa play and he’s really only doing mlp now. I think Andrei is having the same issue after his suspension he hasn’t been looking as tight.

[@gg80108]

Does Riley show up anymore?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Interesting take. I suppose it depends on what Riley did with his time off. He might be burned out and didn't drill, so is rusty. I think Andrei is a different story, though. I saw him in Phoenix during his suspension, and he seemed to have a fire lit under him

[@adamheath4599]

@@johnkewpickleball well im not talking about drilling. I’m sure he was drilling, I’m talking about high level pro play. No amount of drilling is going to replicate that. I do agree that Andrei did play fiery, but he didn’t have the results in the two mlp events or ppa that he had in the beginning of the year.

[@laurendegelia964]

This paddle should be banned! Probably the most dangerous paddle to exist and if you are playing with people that are lower skilled level than you, you will definitely hurt someone.

[@rick9705]

I'm about to stop buying paddles. Way too many coming too fast now.

[@coachfezz1137]

62 mph ?? wow ok i just ordered

[@zachcarmichael699]

Why? You can't use it in tournaments and you'll get complaints from rec players who may not want you to use it. Just get a Joola Mod TA 15 or wait for the Ronbus Ripple 14

[@tonym753]

@@zachcarmichael699I try and stay clear of players using the gearbox pro and the joola gen 3. Have to be selective in who you play against depending on what paddle they are using

[@1Frst693]

@@zachcarmichael699 what’s the difference between a legal racket and a band racket? So it’s OK to play with the Mod TA 15 but the same gen 3 is banned? 99% of players don’t play in tournaments. it’s a joke and all about money. There are trade-offs with all paddles. You still have to have the skill to use them.

[@1Frst693]

@@coachfezz1137 how is the control? Do you think the surface will last longer than carbon?

[@coachfezz1137]

@@1Frst693 not sure but it hits like a cannon

[@Mr.DJones]

Thank you for your time. I don't watch 'Sorry, Not Sorry' because most of his videos encourage negativity in the sport and unsportsmanlike conduct.

[@Nix27.]

Hot paddles are ruining pickleball, they make the game less fun and should not be allowed.

[@mcnillerandsons7906]

I think they’re very fun

[@Nix27.]

@@mcnillerandsons7906 They're fun to use but not fun to play against or watch pro matches using them.

[@sbinsdca]

The thing I dislike most about them is the full body drives from mid-court. Nearly impossible to counter. Also difficult to duck in time.

[@iantercero5380]

@@mcnillerandsons7906maybe when you’re doing the pegging from mid court, but if you’re on the receiving end I hope you’re wearing eye protection.