The multi-reviewer format is excellent and doing exactly what people want from reviewer's: points and counter points that they can contrast against their own to figure out if a game would likely be or not be one they would want to try. I love hearing multiple views, it adds more good with zero downside. I also appreciate the effort considering I assume it takes more coordination and organization to have multiple people on a review. I also loved Tom's casual and smooth phone fatality!
@thelumberginger1632 жыл бұрын
"An Ecosystem of a Down" = pure gold. I'm loving whoever is writing these titles lately!
@adamdrabek6246 Жыл бұрын
Seems like a Chris Yi thing for sure
@hypnotoad55 Жыл бұрын
hmmm - I wonder who??
@andrewellis712 Жыл бұрын
@@hypnotoad55 all glory to the hypnotoad
@JamesOrr19872 жыл бұрын
I also appreciate the Mike DiLisio Solo experience perspective included on some of the reviews. Really adds value.
@angelafortunato38667 ай бұрын
A 2nd Edition has just been announced that changes that game to 1-2 players and fixes issues from feedback that was given. I'm excited to try this new 2nd edition. It should be crowdfunding soon in 2024.
@TheRetroMachineTV5 ай бұрын
Yes I too will be interested to see the changes! I didn’t buy this but am open to the new edition.
@desireerudolph59922 жыл бұрын
Really like this multiple-reviewer format. The lively discussion with point/view and counter point/view is really helpful.
@Leiderg Жыл бұрын
Huh? This made me think the seals of approval can't be trusted, if you see future printing of this showing it, people will not know it's only for a SP review from Mike, while Tom and Camilla actually gave it bad reviews. There needs to be a different Seal for SP maybe?
@BrandonGraham2 жыл бұрын
Knowing how it plays is definitely the most important part of the video, but it is also super helpful to see the quality of components that we will be playing with.
@hamakakun2 жыл бұрын
im loving this new style of reviewing where you put 2 extremes of reviewer giving opinion the same product as people might lean towards an opinion instead of the other. This way viewer cab accurately align their decision before pulling the trigger.
@jasonpmathew2 жыл бұрын
Really loving the multi-reviews. Sometimes I watch a video I normally wouldn’t just because there are multiple opinions.
@shadowling14782 жыл бұрын
my cousin did art on this game!!!
@DarthPizza7772 жыл бұрын
i love the way you guys are doing reviews now. Not just one person but as a group
@booner292 жыл бұрын
I was at GrandCon yesterday and this game was a hit. It was rented from the library a lot and the BG vendors mentioned people were buying it immediately after playing it. I bought it and my table all loved it. Probably a 7 for me.
@montyfarris2 жыл бұрын
I was a bit worried, but just played a 2 player game with my wife and we both enjoyed it. Is there hate drafting/discarding potential cards the other may need, yeah(Sagrada can be just as mean). Maybe we weren't as mean to each other as we should've been. Final score 65-65(I won owning one more synergy point than she had)
@mmmmatthewwww2 жыл бұрын
Wow I've been trying to design a game using the same market + grid scoring system as this game, and have encountered the same issues Tom and Camilla are describing. Thanks for helping me playtest Dice Tower lol.
@bigg31102 жыл бұрын
Have you considered taking an average of the scores and then giving it a seal based on that with Tom's Hammer at the end? I miss Tom's final judgement 😂
@BOHDominator2 жыл бұрын
I actually thought this was better than calico. The puzzle in this game is trying to maximise your personal goal card score, and maximise 1-3 of your rows/columns for scoring but it's impossible to score every row and column well so it's about making the best out of what you can. It's very possible to score 0 on a row but sometimes just getting a few points on a row could really get you the win. 4 seems a harsh score. I don't thi k the game gets less fun it just gets more puzzley
@blankname-pw3sk2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's time to add Seal of Approval for Solo, like kids approved?
@taterjoe2 жыл бұрын
I love the title! Could not stop giggling!
@VickyLu1 Жыл бұрын
Played it multiplayer tonight and unfortunately did not enjoy it for the reasons mentioned in the video. However I’m interested in trying it solo!
@hunorheim27662 жыл бұрын
8 out of 10 from me as well. Absolutely wonderful solo game.
@kchorst50372 жыл бұрын
Good points, now I'm wondering why keystones weren't reserved for 1s and 5s since 2-4 are more versatile.
@LouisChora2 жыл бұрын
Nice tagline. Chris' musical taste shining through :)
@michaeldilisio5572 жыл бұрын
Chris doesn’t get the credit for this one! 😁
@DTChrisYi2 жыл бұрын
@@michaeldilisio557 Credit where credit is due. Mike named it after Tom's favorite band 😛
@theguitarexplorium2 жыл бұрын
@@michaeldilisio557 proving that us 'old' guys are still down with the cool kids! 🤘
@nshaw12992 жыл бұрын
Actually, for Mike's review it was more like an interstate love song by the keystone temple pilots...
@DannyvanHolten2 жыл бұрын
Casually flipping the phone of the table because it lights up ... + 10 points :P
@jameskirk4692 Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@Trae_Lenox2 жыл бұрын
I played this once and enjoyed it at 4. I disagree with most of the criticism unless you are OCD and are trying to get perfection on your board, because that ain’t happening.
@flawed12 жыл бұрын
Me as soon as I saw that one of the actions was discarding several cards from the row: Nope!.... nope nope Also, will you require them to specify that the seal of approval is only for solo mode if they put it on the box?
@Hieronymus-Pseudonymous Жыл бұрын
Perhaps there should be a "Solo of Approval?"
@HEMAYATC2 жыл бұрын
Tom continues to knock phones off the table! 8:48
@TheClyd3Man2 жыл бұрын
He's too popular and people keep calling. 😆
@abesapien99303 ай бұрын
How did this get a Seal of Approval? They gave it an average rating of 5.33 out of 10! (4+4+8=16. 16/30=5.33/10.)
@thedicetower3 ай бұрын
Because the seal of approval can be given by any reviewer. What if a reviewer at the Dice Tower hated a game and gave it a "1"? Then no other reviewer's opinion would matter.
@abesapien99303 ай бұрын
@@thedicetower So it's the Seal of Approval of one reviewer, not the Seal of Approval of the Dice Tower. It's a very misleading reward. Depending on how many reviewers you have, it's probably not hard to find one reviewer that likes it, even if it is an objectively bad game. On boardgamegeek, I can always find a random reviewer that will give a "10" for a game that hundreds of others will give a "1" for! Your system does not capture any kind of consensus at your company.
@dailyminutesofpeace3 ай бұрын
@@abesapien9930 Well, there is a difference. We have at max eight reviewers. These are reviewers who play a TON of games. We do NOT give out the seal willy nilly. In fact, you can find THOUSANDS of games we have panned.
@ryandriver30762 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how it gets a seal of approval with an agg. score of 5.3? Maybe you need a different seal for Solo ratings? Somebody buying this solely based on the seal and intending for multiplayer may get a nasty shock!
@kjerins Жыл бұрын
Seals are based on the highest score, not an average. And if you buy games solely based on seals or other awards, then any misses are 100% on you.
@dbungart30442 жыл бұрын
Mike “kickstarter” Dilisio back in action baby.
@bagookster2 жыл бұрын
Love this new format, as I’ve said before…. But based on Tom and Camilla’s scores, how does this get a dice tower approved logo…. That’ll get put on the box and promoted by the publisher….
@rebeljonny2 жыл бұрын
It only needs one reviewer to give it that score for any of the approved or excellence seals.
@pauldenie2 жыл бұрын
@@rebeljonny Time for a separate "Solo" approval/excellence seal, like they have for kids games.
@eliseh.21522 жыл бұрын
Yep, seeing that happen in more reviews. I know they said the person who liked it the most would be doing the review by themselves before, so it would always have gotten a seal of approval. But I'm fairly sure that the last few weeks there have been more games that are getting seals of approval/excellence. But other than that, I love the format of this as well.
@DannyvanHolten2 жыл бұрын
@@rebeljonny Mike didn't play the multiplayer game at all though ... that's a huge oversight imho.
@mgk20202 жыл бұрын
@@eliseh.2152 Maybe games are getting better. Also, they've changed the threshold in the past to reduce the number of seals, so if Tom feels it's out of balance, he'll probably address it.
@karldoughty79962 жыл бұрын
For some reason, with all the negative comments about the grid, I couldn't help thinking of Sagrada. As you get to the end of the game you HAVE to take useless cards/dice. Not fun in my opinion. I think I'll be giving this one a miss, thanks.
@TiagoSousa0262 жыл бұрын
I think you should start doing an average of the scores and give the seal based on that. Although I also understand your way of giving seals I am just afraid that could be misleading to the "common" consumers that see a Dice Tower seal and don't know that only one rating is enough but this is also true for media groups. But I as said I understand your way one opinion is so valid as the others. I just think by doing the average it could be more representative but also the game doesn't need to please everyone.
@thedicetower2 жыл бұрын
We aren't going to do this. Our Dice Tower FAQ explains why.
@TiagoSousa0262 жыл бұрын
@@thedicetower Like I said I understand and I don't mind, just giving my opinion. 🙂
@Poiuytrew.Q2 жыл бұрын
My opinion is doing an average would be too much work. If other people from the Dice Tower were to review it then the scores would have change and then there would be update videos and more work and less time to do reviews on other games or other videos/projects.
@NormalTheBand2 жыл бұрын
That would not make sense in the context of this review. Speaking as someone who has played it both way, the game IS actively a bad game played multiplayer but an excellent experience solo. It deserves its seal approval.... with the context that it should only be solo
@HEMAYATC2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that title
@Jimunu2 жыл бұрын
The title forced me to click
@NOWTabletoping2 жыл бұрын
I think this game needs to be played by you guys a few more times and come at it from an altered mindset, try getting the goals and some of the numbers in a row, but don't try to solve it as a puzzle, the points from the goals are high but if you can also get some numbers in order while doing that you will get some extra points. I think you need to play this game some more and try some different strategies and takes on the game I would have given this game a 7.75, it does have flaws but I don't think it's anywhere near a 4. But I understand everyone has there own opinions, but I feel like if you play it more you might see the greatness of this game
@thedicetower2 жыл бұрын
Can't this be said every time we don't enjoy a game? Why doesn't anyone ever say when we enjoy a game that we should play it a couple more time so that we see that it really sucks?
@cthulwho81972 жыл бұрын
In the gaming circles I move in if a game isn't enjoyable from game 1 it's never going to be seen again. There'd just two much competition from the thousands of other games released every year. Designing a game that takes half a dozen, or more, plays before you get it is a poor design choice in the current climate. Gaming time is limited for most people, and asking players to sign away multiple gaming days to play your game until they finally "get it" is a massive ego trip for a designer.
@traceyshenanigans2 жыл бұрын
I understand that you are trying to change up the reviewing system but I have to say I am not a fan. I miss hearing Mike's solo voice on his own and I definitely miss Zee's target system. Yes, sometimes its fun to hear different voices, but I feel as I'm missing some voices that get diluted in a multi-reviewer review.
@bigg31102 жыл бұрын
Interesting I think Zee and Mike in particular thrive from reviewing with other people. Whereas Tom is the best lone reviewer in the business so feel sad to lose that.
@MyKonaRC Жыл бұрын
Bummer, game looks cool, plays like bingo. :( Keystone: North America Bingo
@rexology_bg2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like this game has one thing I like and one I strongly dislike in this type of game. When there are larger game objectives and personal objectives, I much prefer that there is not synergy between them. I enjoy pattern games where you actively have to decide a direction, rather than just do everything. The part I dislike is open information games where an effective decision requires you to study another player's board state. I'd rather have multiplayer solitaire with a memory element that having to look over other players' shoulders. As far as ratings, perhaps a DT solo seal of approval? Seems like having a full seal on this might be misleading.
@rexology_bg2 жыл бұрын
...than having to look over other players' shoulders...not that.
@MythicosQc742 жыл бұрын
I'm pushing back on Mike saying "pushing back" every other sentence ;-)
@michaeldilisio5572 жыл бұрын
I’m pushing back on your pushing back.
@DTChrisYi2 жыл бұрын
@@michaeldilisio557 Sounds like a Lamaze class in here.