KGW Investigation: Service dogs vs. fakes

5 things you need to know about service dogs and the law.

[@WindsofChange]

Finally one of TWO news reports I've seen that got it COMPLETELY correct...kudos

[@MustangRebel3]

They didn't tho...

[@WindsofChange]

Please point out where they were incorrect...I didn't catch anything...:)

[@MustangRebel3]

They mentioned that service dogs are required to wear a vest stating that they are service dogs

[@WindsofChange]

Where?

[@FireWrathAK]

I thought miniature horses could now be considered Service Animals. But only dogs and mini horses so there's an inaccuracy. If I am wrong, please tell me, I could have that wrong.

[@rainbowrivers8375]

Okay I think it's *very* clear to say that a service dog would not urinate on a flower they obviously need to be trained to not do that

[@suzyra1212]

What not to lounge and not to barking even see someone else with a service dog if that dog peeing do it on the grass if can’t not hold it every dog can’t hold it bathroom outside on the grass after finish bathroom then going into a store but i guess need to training dog more 😳😵

[@HannahniahMarin]

Thank you for actually getting your information right! I have seen other news reports who have no idea what they are talking about. I see fake service dogs all the time and it makes my life with a real service dog hard.

[@MustangRebel3]

Service dogs are not required to wear a vest

[@WindsofChange]

But they are required to be leashed, harnessed or tethered and be under control- nowhere did they say they had to wear an ID vest (quite the contrary as a matter of fact)....only that they had to be leashed, harnessed or tethered which is in keeping with Q27 of the ADA guidance - 2015 "The service animal must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered while in public places unless these devices interfere with the service animal's work or the person's disability prevents use of these devices. " Q27 - ADA Guidance from the federal department of justice, 2015 edition www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html

[@MustangRebel3]

yea yea we have been through this all I'm stating is that they said service dogs are required to wear a vest stating they are service dogs, once again, I never said anything about being leashed to stop bringing it up because that is not what I said

[@WindsofChange]

Can you point me to the time mark in the video where they said that because I did not hear them say that. If I am wrong I'll freely admit that I am wrong....I'm good that way..

[@MustangRebel3]

2:12

[@WindsofChange]

Exact Transcript- " they must be harnessed or leashed, they must also be controlled through voice or hand signals" YOU said "all I'm stating is that they said service dogs are required to wear a vest stating they are service dogs, " Nowhere here do they state they must be ID's through what they wear. They say they must be harnessed OR leashed which is the exact words in Q27 of the 2015 edition of service dog guidance put out by the federal department of justice. This Q deals with the need to have the dog under your physical control with restraints of some sort- commonly used restraints are harnesses and leashes (and headcollars which are arguably another form of harness) You seem to fail to understand that controlling a dog through a harness of some sort which has a handle or a leash attached to it for physical control of the dog, OR just a leash, for the same reason is not the same as ID vesting them. In that case I can't help you. I could put a plain old nylon harness that I got at the pet store with no markings on it at all- straight from the pet store and put a handle of some sort on it and I would be in compliance with this directive. That is because this directive is about physical control of the dog through the handlers device of choice. Nowhere here did they say it was mandatory to ID vest your dog by any stretch of the imagination- in fact they stated that a vest does not mean that they are any particular thing legally...only that it was mandatory that they be physically restrained via harness or leash systems and be trained to respond to voice commands or hand signals.

[@gunnersplace]

Can’t think of anything more shallow than to create an issue under false pretences. That makes it harder for people who r already disabled , And really need these dogs.

[@user-wn5ld9ny1i]

I would like to see some sort of I.D. for service dog owners, like a drivers license only it's stating the dog is legit. Of course liars and cheats would figure out a way to forge them. I also think the online shops who sell bogus service dog vests and equipment should be shut down and legal action taken.

[@amandabilger2235]

I completely agree with this but people who need Service dogs are against it. They are claiming that requiring them to have ID like that would be an invasion of their privacy. They refuse to see that expecting them to have an ID like that would cut way down on the fakes. I got so tired of arguing about it with one bunch that I finally told them that they could either accept the ID idea or learn to deal with the fakes. IDs would be an easy thing to do. They would have their Doctor sign a form basically saying that they require a Service animal. They would then take that form to their local DMV and get an ID that looks a lot like a Drivers License but has different info. To be honest I do not understand their claim that it would be an invasion of their privacy. I don't think having an ID saying that you require a Service animal is any different than having the Service animal with a vest that say in huge letters that it is a Service animal. The ID doesn't have to say why the need the animal only that they do. It would be no different than being asked if your dog is a Service dog and answering yes.

[@jaykun06]

some people do not have the money, time, nor are abled enough to get it

[@Jayjoy94]

Why can‘t they have one type of vest that functions as an id. Maybe even printed on it the individual id number of that dog. Then you can avoid a lot of unnecessary and uncomfortable questions.

[@TheDemonFerretFursuits]

Jayjoy94 it's not a bad idea, but for one service dogs can be any breed, so vests would need to be in all sizes. Additionally, the ADA allows service dogs to be trained by their handlers, which is extremely important to keep, since some people need very specific services or dog breeds they wouldn't necessarily get going through a training service. How does the government regulate that? Put up testing facilities for dogs to go to, to prove their training was successful? Sure that could work, but it would cost a fortune, and such facilities wouldn't be everywhere, so mobility can become a huge problem if someone needs to travel two cities over, or even a state over, just to get their dog tested. It's not like regulation hasn't been thought about, it's just WAY more complex than anyone really considers.

[@eliicd303]

Because service dogs are not required to wear any kind of vest.

[@servicepuppyryn8592]

I do think their should be an official ID but what about all the people who make and design vests for service dogs? Also, what if someone doesn’t have a place to get the vest.

[@yarnkillah]

The reason for this is simple- it’s gatekeeping. People with disabilities are far more likely to live in poverty, and in the lower scales of the poverty levels. So many people in that situation self train, because they cannot afford more. After the training, they would have to take a test to get an id or something, correct? That would require them to make it to a testing location (which is either gas mileage or bus fare, in addition to lost wages) and probably have to pay for a tester. And then pay for the ID. And then pay for the vest. Service dogs are generally started young, so that means they would have to pay for multiple vests for them to wear as the dog grows. A life of a service dog is roughly 10 years. So start this cycle all over again in roughly 8 years, when you have to start training in another dog. Even sooner if the service dog has to be washed due to injury, illness, or death. It’s a slippery slope.

[@roove1537]

This needs to be regulated so much more. Honestly, I'd require identification of some sort. There is a way to provide identification and not make it overly personal. It's become an issue now that people are taking advantage of this and using fake service dogs or "emotional support animals". A friend of mine has a psychiatric service dog that can actually recognize whenever she's about to have an anxiety attack and will help her get through them. You don't need an emotional support animal just because you feel stressed about stuff.

[@theravenmuse7226]

ESAs aren’t fake service dogs. They are a completely different thing.

[@dogluver431]

A service dog can be worked off leash if it is under voice control and a leash would interfere with its job. My service dog works of leash because if he needs to alert quickly I can’t have him getting tangled in a leash.

[@JustMe-ec2ph]

The dog owner that their dog wet in the store should had been approached right then and made to leave! Service animals must be housebroken to be allowed inside public places.

[@bridgidthepirateelf4135]

Service dogs don't need a vest. They also only need a leash if it doesn't interfere with their tasks.

[@tayloroxiclean9671]

Miniature horses are able to be service animals also service dogs do not need to be vested

[@OfficiallyLydiasLife]

Great video! They got most everything right! The only part that was wrong was the ending (lol they should of stopped talking a minute before xD) but threapy animals are not covered under housing or the ACAA (airplane rights). A threapy animal is traiend to help ppl in nursing homes, hospitals, schools, etc. They help multiple people and They aren't there to comfort the 1 person, so they don't have ACAA or FHA rights. It doesn't always even have right to go into those places if the place says they don't need the animal at that moment. Unless it doubles as a ESA it doesn'thave really any rights. Also I wish they would of mentioned a store may ask a miss behaving dog to leave. Because explaining the stores rights along with the handlers, would help inform emplees that they have rights and may ask a disobidant dog to leave. And it would also inform the puplic just because its easy to fake a SD does not mean if they can fake the 2 questions, they suddenly have rights. But over all this was great!

[@sublimehonkers]

The poor dog at 2:29. Jesus Christ people, train your damn dogs.

[@nadrolobtheorcwench6342]

JRRnotTolkien they; the owners, are emotionally unstable people, don't blame them.

[@atyourservicedog]

Thank you for this report, it really helps to educate people about the laws. Real handlers need their dogs, and fakes make it very difficult for us. We’ve been attacked by aggressive pets multiple times.

[@ludwigvanzappa9548]

Easy to see the difference , the service dog always stays on the side of the person , never in front or back sniffing stuff ...

[@ludwigvanzappa9548]

Damn ,I will do my homework LOL !!!

[@eliicd303]

Nope, there is no law saying a service dog must heal. And some service dogs do walk in front of the handler.

[@yarnkillah]

While most do stay in a heel, some walk in front or back. And some do still sniff. But you are correct, they are usually fairly obvious if they are real vs fake just by watching how they act in a store.

[@xxangelxx06]

My service dog in a medical alert dog

[@laurac5451]

Please quit saying these are the eyes for a blind person service dogs help with so many more disabilities than blindness and some of the public think all service dogs are supposed to be German Shepherds for the blind.

[@smexyphysics]

Laura, emotional support animals are NOT legally considered service dogs, they are called "comfort" companions, so therefore they are NOT allowed to be inside grocery stores or places that sell food. If you are so emotionally unstable that you can't leave your home without a pet, then you need to get some more medication. But an emotional disorder is NOT considered a disability that would warrant a service animal.

[@smexyphysics]

First off don't presume you know anything about me, secondly you are the one that needs to brush up on the damn laws. Unless you have a LEGITIMATE service animal it does NOT fall under the same regulations as an actual service dog. I was a paralegal for 5 years and worked for a civil rights attorney, so I know a lot more than you do. Furthermore, there is no laws in place to regulate REAL service dogs. Those papers that people get off the internet are FAKE. Real service dogs don't have papers. They have vests for "emotional service" animals, but the fact of the matter is food establishments can refuse to let them in. A doctor will give ANYONE that asks for support companion papers, which is bullshit. The law clearly states that in order to qualify for a legitimate service animal under the ADA the animal has to be trained to help their owner with a task, NOT PROVIDE EMOTIONAL SUPPORT. Again two different things... don't come at me when you don't know shit.

[@tomtomtomtomtomtomtom]

I get what you're saying. There are tons of invisible illnesses that people need service dogs for and usually they're the ones getting harassed and having public access issues :/

[@cashmerekitten8275]

Soulless Raven ever heard of a psychiatric service dog? Mental disabilities exist and are protected by the ADA I have a psychiatric service dog.

[@10huskys]

You clearly never mentioned ESA's. True they're are other disabilities other than being blind that alot are not aware of good point.

[@xxangelxx06]

A service dog is not always need to be on the leash my service dog has to perform her tasks off leash

[@nathalierodriguez0]

2:13 they actually don’t have to be leashes if a leash interferes with there task then they don’t have to wear one but you still have to be under control

[@doggielover5587]

Ok at 2:12 or something like that when he said service dogs must be harnessed and leashed that is false they do not have to be harnessed or leashed ( ADA.gov )

[@doggielover5587]

Here you go if you don’t want to read the hole thing Q8. Do service animals have to wear a vest or patch or special harness identifying them as service animals? A. No. The ADA does not require service animals to wear a vest, ID tag, or specific harness.

[@doggielover5587]

@William Hoblitzell, if you want people to die. If a leash interferes with the service dogs tasking and the dog is leashed then the dog can’t do it’s task and the owner can die. Also, about the vest, someone with SPD that has a service dog, could hate the feeling of the vest. They could have a sensory meltdown.

[@sdigf3167]

@@doggielover5587 That is extremely rare. At least it was until hysterical You Tubers found out they could make money from it.

[@doggielover5587]

@SDIGF3, the only way I am sitting here is because my service dog was off a leash. I had a heart attack and I could not breathe. My service dog got someone and brought here to me. They called 911. I also suffer from SPD and my service dog can’t wear a vest unless you want me to scream and cry/have a sensory meltdown.

[@doggielover5587]

@SDIGF3, rather me die then just have a well behaved service dog walk beside and alert me to my anxiety, and heart attacks?

[@rogerglass6149]

I am so sick of people on my dog, my kids not go anywhere without a dog, such as restaurant, grocery stores, etc. were on earth and the lawn guy cracking down on the people so much they can’t leave the house without a dog and they don’t need to go out for DoorDash. Please, I don’t wanna be shopping tomorrow with someone who can’t leave their dog at home.

[@alaitain]

Liars, and Fakes

[@tayloroxiclean9671]

Service animals DO NOT have to be leashed if it interferes with the task and the handlers disability

[@wildone9946]

I don't know why, but when I saw the dog urinating on the pumpkins, I laughed. I guess that was because I saw that, I saw it as a way to remind shop owners to be strict with their policies. I haven't seen any dogs come around in the local shops here

[@110311DONTWANTCHANNE]

supposedly they can go off leash for a task

[@msmakos1]

As a service dog who spends thousands to train my dog myself. Spending day in and day out for 2 years straight to fully train my dogs and then have to stress about pets being where they're NOT allowed. It's unbearable. I call pet owners out because their breaking federal law. Endangering my safety and my dogs safety.

[@sunshine_pnw]

If your dog is fully trained he would not be distracted

[@msmakos1]

@sunshine_pnw their NOT robots karen. Service dogs are still dogs. That's why we demand people to IGNORE them. It's like if I go to your work place and distract you. I'll complain about you getting distracted instead of working.

[@ivangeo3319]

American appetite for suing others makes employees of a business refuse to question anyone who bring in their dog inside the building. In a way, it's the fault of service dog culture to begin with.

[@sharonmaclean8122]

The pictures of these dogs shos them not wearing vests. Also second good readon to wash all your veg an stuff.

[@2010afroro]

Out off all videos I have watched on here about real vs fake service dog, a service dog handler is better off telling people about this video instead of wasting their precious and valuable time explaining on why that person should not have their fake service animal in places they are not allowed.

[@garyshepard6421]

The dog that pissed in the store was bullshit. They should make the owner clean it up.

[@josephparker646]

Under California law they are required to abide by a standardization of indicators including ID papers.

[@josephparker646]

Yes there is. Here is the wording on the link below "Provides for standardized identification tags for “assistance dogs” which it defines as “guide dogs, signal dogs, or service dogs.” Cal. Food and Agriculture Code § 30850 (2004)** . "Makes falsely claiming an animal to be a service animal a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for six month or a fine up to $1000 or both. Cal. Penal Code § 365.7 (1994), Cal. Food & Agriculture Code § 30850(b)(2004) www.dor.ca.gov/DisabilityAccessInfo/DAS-Docs/SERVICE-ANIMAL-LAWS.pdf

[@josephparker646]

Main Street Boxer sorry but I’m not. You are. What California requires on that identification is so the visually there’s a uniform appearance for service animals. Paperwork is in the process of obtaining the service animal and is not required to be shown but is required to have on hand.

[@________stephens8251]

Federal law says no CERTIFICATION AND REGISTRATION Q17. Does the ADA require that service animals be certified as service animals? A. No. Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, as a condition for entry. There are individuals and organizations that sell service animal certification or registration documents online. These documents do not convey any rights under the ADA and the Department of Justice does not recognize them as proof that the dog is a service animal. www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html#res

[@xxangelxx06]

There is no law in California that says you must have papers for your dog I’m sorry but you are wrong Joseph Parker

[@jaykun06]

ADA law overrides state law.

[@diegomontesruiz2812]

You know who's ruining Portland, news company like this. Report in real news

[@dirtfloofs4526]

I have a ESA

[@alissatravers1218]

Olive & Currly Brown not a service dog.

[@xxangelxx06]

Yes you cannot bring an Esa into public if you try it is against the law and you can get arrested for it

[@Lil_xoxoxox_777]

I now i have a service dog the fake pepole are pissing me off.

[@suzyra1212]

That dog is peeing on the pumpkin they need to throw that pumpkin that dog peeing on 😳😵

[@cloud_monkey422]

Chihuahuas aren’t service dogs are they?

[@cloud_monkey422]

Main Street Boxer lol

[@maleficent5381]

They can be. It depends on the needs of the handler.

[@maleficent5381]

@William Hoblitzell per the ADA, any breed can be a service dog. What makes it a service dog are: 1- if the handler has a medical or psychiatric disability. 2-the dog has been trained in at least 1 task to mitigate its handler's disability (emotional support isn't a task). 3-the dog, or miniature horse, has impeccable manners in public.

[@EmmysJourney]

I hate fake Service Dogs im Owner Training my Service Dog for my problems on my channel and shes a rescue shes well trained and loves to play but fake Service Dogs just pee everywhere and bark and bark and can bite u

[@JustMe-ec2ph]

Some fake service dogs do that, not all of them. There are some very well trained dogs that are not service dogs but you can not take them in public places, either, unless it's some place that allows all dogs like the pet stores. Well, some motels do allow any dogs.

[@sunshine_pnw]

Unless their dogs attack yours why you need to hate them? I don't understand the hatred in the face on people with service dogs.

[@suzyra1212]

Training that black dog not to peeing on anything take dog out to use a bathroom store is not a bathroom that black dog wasted up on the pumpkin that grow really nicely and to sell those to people 😳😵

[@guy-uo8nv]

I believe all service dogs must have a vest and paper work that the store can ask for.

[@oldfucker68]

johnathan hawkins I believe you're wrong. Would you ask someone with a wheelchair why they needed it? It's the same for a service dog.

[@oldfucker68]

As far as a vest. Would you wear a wool sweater in 90 degree heat?

[@lotsoflove5378]

no service dogs dont have to wear a vest and you dont have to show a store paper work BY LAW

[@jaykun06]

incorrect

[@yarnkillah]

The only people with paperwork either paid a fake company for fake documents, or they have a certificate of training from a professional trainer simply stating that they trained the dog, but that document has no legal standing and are not typically carried on your person

[@ravagesoyjoy]

No peepee!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ellabias8224]

*sighs* SERVICE DOGS DONT NEED TO BE FUCKING LEASHED OR HARNESSED.

[@valeriacorona4456]

They are dogs, they were first before us. Dogs should be allowed everywhere.

[@cielonehellofaservicedog4648]

no...no they weren't...humans came first, before the domesticated dog...cause we are the one's that shaped or developed dogs... secondly please keep your pets at home...their is a big reason pet dogs just don't need to be everywhere in public....they distract and even attack our service dogs... unfortauntl people can't be trusted to have well behaved, none reactive, pets in public...the one's that fake or just think they can go into public places where their pets don't belong, often distract and attack our service dogs as it is...adding more of those isn't needed...

[@sunshine_pnw]

Maybe in some European countries but then they are required to have training unlike most dog owners in US who don't put effort train their dogs to behave