Kia Sedona : P0016 Cam Crank Correlation Trouble: Part I

[@SouthMainAuto]

Hey there viewers! You'll have to excuse me in this video because I was fighting off a pretty bad cold 😷 ANNNNDDDD some of the video had recorded WITHOUT AUDIO 😠! I cut those parts out so it may not seem as fluid as it usually is. Any how hopefully it all makes sense in the end😎

[@johnferguson7235]

Hey Eric, the video is DEMONETIZED.

[@SouthMainAuto]

Ok thanks...

[@samueljames9342]

Still a great video

[@johnferguson7235]

@@samueljames9342 Certainly, that's why You Tube should be paying Eric and not demonetizing his videos. Their AI is just terrible.

[@leonardodavinci303]

Lots of fluids + Vit C plus zinc. At night, put a shot of apple brandy in your favorite tea (boiling hot) and breathe in the vapor.

[@Jernjacksonable]

Had this EXACT issue yesterday with a little supercharged 3 cylinder Nissan engine here in the UK. Nightmare to start and when it did would run like a bag of spanners and stall. P0011 intake camshaft timing over advanced. Scope data showed the same, out but quite a bit (should of started alarm bells). Ready to pull the trigger on worn timing chain as there's endless reports on the issue. Watched your video last night when I couldn't sleep and bingo! In a attempt to remove the intake solenoid this morning I must have freed it up, car now starts and runs perfect! Shame I couldn't confirm when stuck but never mind, new valve on its way, Cheers Eric

[@b52tricopter]

This is why SMA is my favorite channel.

[@TheCowgirlNiamh]

Runs like poo ... 😂😂😂 Odd looking engine bay! Looks like something is missing! Hoping for a part 2!!!

[@Airman..]

The telltale of P016. Its always good to watch SMA in action

[@VWWRENCHIE]

Yes.welcome to the future Timmy..phasers would be set on stun...warp factor one..these vehicles make me appreciate my old clunkers😎

[@1013redoak]

Another great diagnosis Eric! The only problem with being so good is that you always get the basket cases that others have played around with! As long as you're properly compensated I don't guess that's a problem either!

[@dpomeroy1]

Big thanks to Eric for offering catchy alternative phrases such as 'what the thunder' and 'crap biscuit' for every day use. My family prefers both over my 'native tongue' while working in garage. Keep'm coming!!

[@porleg]

It's goanna be tricky to explain that situation to the customer without sounding like you are making stuff up. Very smart work

[@lexteakmialoki5544]

Brilliant attack on that issue. Proper tools, excellent execution, extensive knowledge of the overall system. All stacked on top of a heaping pile of common sense and awareness. You are simply the best.

[@tylerh629]

1 owner! (that ran it right out of oil, never changed the coolant, let the battery run flat multiple times, never got any sort of alignment, no recalls done, over heated it etc.)

[@SouthMainAuto]

BUT.... One owner :)

[@owenarsenault5955]

I have a friend like that. Lol

[@smokeskull]

Maybe they meant only driven by one person at a time.

[@vikingtu]

I hope there is a part two. I felt like crap last night and was watching this around 1AM. It's like losing cable TV in the bottom of the 9th!

[@richardbambenek2601]

To work on today's cars you need to be a computer nerd to be successful. Hats off to you Eric in your ability to interpret what your test tools are showing you. Did you go to school to know all this or are you one of those guys I hated in computer school that somehow understood everything naturally? At any rate you impress me.

[@steveorshon]

Brilliant move not jumping the gun and realizing the VCT solenoid could be a factor. Anxiously awaiting part 2. Customer would be a fool to NOT give you the job.

[@marwanmohamed4414]

I just want to add that since I started watching your great repairs, I've learned a lot stuff and fixed a lot of cars including mine thanks to you Eric..big fan here from Libya.... God bless you.

[@VoltageDropDiagnostics]

Another great video! one of my favorites uses of a scope is checking cam timing. It would have sucked to pull valve covers and timing covers to just find it had a bad solenoid. Good find!

[@jacobs2309]

This has gotta be one of your best daignostic videos yet. Very clear explanation and methodology. I thought the chain may have jumped as well. Great use of test equipment to see it was out by 30degrees and not the usual 5-20degrees a jumped chain would give you.

[@stephenlawrence4362]

Great diag, and to the point. Can’t wait for part 2 . Looks like an 07, same as mine

[@robertdavis6708]

As usual Eric O., the best video and explanations on KZbin.Thanks for taking us along . If that were my Kia, you would be the only wrench to touch it.

[@helloitsme4139]

for a second I thought you face planted into the keyboard. Thanks for a great vid as always Eric

[@wyattoneable]

That was a classic Eric O find. The PICO in the right hands is amazing.

[@rtchrg440]

Very cool video Eric - love seeing the scope and the variable valve timing stuff! Hopefully there will be a part 2!

[@lesweiner8444]

A good opportunity to show what the "pintle hump" looks like on the good solenoid vs bad. It shows up really clear on the Hyundai.

[@mikey27437]

Great tutorial! Thank you Eric. It's a 2011-2013 3.5Lv6, 272hp, 250lbs, 6 speed auto in Cristal Blue. I bought the same new in 2011 for my wife. Paid CAD 25252 cash taxes in. There was 8k cash discount. Very strong peppy engine, smooth tranny. As of today we put 82000 kM. My wife drives kids to school, shopping and to church, same scenario. Change oil every 7K kM. Most of those km short 10- 15min drives on a cold engine. ( heavy duty cycle.) There were 3-4 recalls. Most significant: oil pressure probe leakage and front control arms. Would buy again in a 💓 beat.

[@mikey27437]

Naturally curious about the outcome! Can not wait for part 2.

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

Mr. MD (Motor Diagnostician), excellent work! I like American iron with non variable camshafts and large amounts of displacement along with good old Kettering ignition. I'm thinking 409 Chevys, 394 Oldsmobiles, 427 Fords. Feel better soon!

[@joeo1352]

Excellent diagnosis. No such thing as wrong groove

[@BrianSmith-ps7lh]

Reason 14,809 this channel is the best on you tube. Thanks for the great videos Dr O

[@cuznjo1]

i am amazed at how much you know about working on problems in cars. have you ever told a customer to look at your video of you working on their cars

[@kmt01]

Internet says classic symptoms of oil issues at those solenoids, mainly dirty. Might just need to be yanked & cleaned up ( also a new connector on the one), but.. rehab'ing both would be smart - that and better oil, changed on a regular schedule, of course. Enjoyed watching, as usual!

[@d.a.2742]

Get well Eric and we hope to see part 2

[@emcque]

Great video Dr. O. The "runs like poo" technical language was a little confusing at first, but I followed along. I hope you get the job and we can see you fix her up.

[@mikechiodetti4482]

THANK GOD for PICO SCOPE! Waiting for Part 2. OH ya. NEVER saw that one coming with the possible stuck VVT or VCT Solenoid ! !

[@henrykrzewinski2299]

Now I’m low level shade tree mechanic. I would have opened oil cap first checked for sludge then pulled dip stick for finger feel viscosity. You may fix but I would do quicker oil change with proper viscosity for three cycles otherwise things may keep breaking.

[@8power0]

ERICK ERICK I HAVE NEVER SAID THIS ABOUT YOUR DIAGNOSTIC VIDEOS BEFORE BUT THAT DAM VIDEO WAS REALLY WORTH WATCHING..., AND ANOTHER THING I ALSO LEARNED SOMETHING NEW I HAVE WATCHED MANY OF YOUR VIDEOS BUT THIS ONE WAS A BIT DIFFERENT IT WAS DOWN TO EARTH TRULY EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND TO REMEMBER . JUST THOUGHT I WOULD LET YOU KNOW THAT WAS A DAM GOOD VIDEO THANKS AND I WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD FOR MANY MORE .

[@wysetech2000]

8power0 Is your keyboard broken?

[@8power0]

@@wysetech2000 NAY MY EYES ARE SLIGHTLY THOU THANKS

[@wysetech2000]

@@8power0 Yeah, I can relate to that. You have a reason then. Some people type in caps to be noticed or something.

[@breadman-oc2lx]

You are the you tube repair man !

[@Prinotu]

Great video man, much more detailed than those other shiny youtubers

[@seancurry2863]

You are an excellent diagnostician. Software developer here - there are many similarities to debugging computer hardware and software. I guess modern cars really are just big computers with a few mechanical parts...

[@MTVlogs]

I had a similar issue with my 07 Hyundai Azera, same 3.8 engine with slightly different intake manifold. Got a P011 'A' Camshaft Position - Timing Over Advanced or System performance (Bank1). P012 'A' Camshaft Position - Timing Over Retarded (Bank1). As well as a P0300 Random Misfire Detected. The solenoids are referred to as "Oil Control Valves (OCV)" There's a TSB for them: KIA: TSB 046. HYUNDAI: 09-EM-002. I ordered both OCV's because if one is bad, the other likely will as well. Plus its a pain in the rear to get to these OCV's. You have to remove the air filter cover/hose, unplug a bunch of connectors, Intake manifold and gasket, as well as the suge tank and gasket (below the intake manifold). Then you'll be able to reach the two OCV's. DO NOT MIX UP THE TWO OCV's they're different (color coded gray(bank1) and purple(bank2) connector). Once I replaced both. Issue went away. There's more to my story on the HyundaiForums.

[@samueljames9342]

Missing teeth? Must be from Kentucky. You know the tooth brush was invented in Kentucky , if it had been invented anywhere else it would have been called a teeth brush.

[@zuestoots5176]

And another keyboard gets drunk! lol

[@SmittySmithsonite]

What do you say to a girl from Maine? .... "Nice tooth!" 😬😆

[@KBLIZZ333]

Awesome job !! I could watch vids like this all night !!

[@emerg0n0see]

A bit much is currently “over my head” but one day it’s all gonna come together! You are my beginning! Thank you! I did change both camshafts A/B Then changed crank shaft, ultimately with my 3rd eye since it was in direct middle, almost center of the engine with little to no correct tools. Yes, I’m broke, motivated and a bit crazy… And engine light is still on… Ohhhh, and this is what would be somewhat embarrassing… The “male” (wire holster) part to the camshaft A bank 2 was severed. The “female” part is what I replaced on each. Soooo…. with absolute ignorance I stripped the wires and braided them back together. I need some Tesa tape but used traditional wire tape. Now I’m going to learn about electric current and such (I know, I know… I’m that idiot, after the fact) so that I can hopefully replace the male connector of the camshaft sensor. By the way, so far I’ve spent about $100 on all these parts. But I spent 8 1/2 hours replacing the crankshaft sensor. 3 hours verifying its location…😳 3 1/2 hours trying to get a screw aligned with movable parts that I can not see nor get 2 fingers in. (Hence, the third eye, statement) I’ve got to get this thing fixed before Thanksgiving. Please pray for me in all the ways visibly needed by my comment. Thank you!

[@vincescalise4821]

looking forward to part to part 2, take care of your cold

[@bostedtap8399]

New subscriber here, from the UK. Great diagnosis. Been catching up over the last two weeks, and enjoying your technical skills, and outlook on what life is giving you. Or someone is putting bricks in front of your wheel barrow. You may be able to start your own religion!, ( No disrespect to any religion intended).

[@stevefleck5892]

Very interesting detective work. Thank you Mr. O, hope you get to feeling better asap.

[@Mike-pu3ot]

Hi Love your videos very informative and also the family involvement that so many of today's world needs again. Thank you

[@LAnonHubbard]

Hope your cold is better. About to watch part 2. Thanks for making the video!

[@gvvq-pi5ml]

I think your on the right track with the solenoids Eric.

[@upman664]

Intake comes off really easy. If you go that far replace the oil pressure sending unit. $10 and they fail often. Oil runs down the in take valley and runs into the trans bell housing. Looks like a rear main seal failure.

[@brandonfoss9445]

This^

[@SerenoOunce]

Working on a 2008 Sorento 3.8l, had same codes P0016, p0300, P0301/3/5. What had me chasing my tail was the misfire counters on scan tool climbing for the bank 2 cylinders. Sometimes on #2, go to restart they'd be jumping up for #4, occasionally then on #6. Once I saw the difference between intake advance actual/desired and it being stuck at 50 deg adv, it became obvious the VVT was the culprit. Fortunately it wasn't corroded in on this vehicle but Kia put a steel coolant Y pipe in the front engine bracket that prevented removal. Rather than take off the lower intake and deal with draining coolant + a lot more labor time I cut off 1/4" of the pipe and it slid right out. Section of the filter screen was torn and got lodged in the valve. Removed the debris, replaced the screen with an old dead valve I was hoarding and wound up being a no-parts req fix. Dealers want stupid $ for these and aftermarket quality is shady at best.

[@martinp1901]

Looking forward to part 2 interesting

[@302vettelife2]

Rooting for a pt 2

[@SouthMainAuto]

Parts on order, should be here at the end of the week....

[@backyardbasher]

@@SouthMainAuto looking forward to it !

[@mrsmith8436]

Such an advanced problem requiring advanced troubleshooting all for the sake of advancing others knowledge and your youtube channel

[@hankfin7626]

Your a top rate Technician Eric O. Excellent video.

[@jeffreykulessa5365]

I think your diagnostic skills are fantastic! I wish I was as comfortable around the test equipment as you are. I think it's terrible that they didn't make one solenoid activate both cams.

[@pyro323]

Phasers? What is this an episode of Star Wars? The force is strong with this one.

[@2secondslater]

Great vid, Eric O. It would certainly be awkward to pull a timing cover and replace a phaser and then get it back up and running only to have the same fault! Looking forward to part 2

[@petemedina8446]

That was an interesting diagnosis look forward to a part 2 if there is one.

[@cccdetective787]

H Eric hope your feeling better. As a long time user of your new tool. I was a little surprised to see you cut from the small point to the wide section. either way works of course but I usually found it easier to get the blade in the groove if you start at the wide exposed part of the butterfly and chase the blade to the narrow point. Just Remember if I can do it you can do it.

[@KevinJohnson-fx6wq]

Always a pleasure watching you work. I definitely know how hard it is to think with a 'cloudy' head. I have an '07 Mitsubishi Galant ES 2.4 that seems to 'struggle when starting. I want to check the connections when it gets a bit warmer. They stuck the damn starter under the exhaust manifold, but such is life. I've the car for 3 yrs. now and am happy with it. Also had problems with battery not have=ing enough oomph, but thats mostly because I don't drive it every day and only happens on '0' days. Also want to go through and check all the circuits to see if I have any drawing extra power which I believe you mentioned in a video. thanks for sharing.

[@luisbaez88]

Good video as always. Hope the costumer say yes so we can see the final results. Another thing I will try is fully advance the other bank just to see how many degrees the timing move. Just to compare against the suspect bank.

[@ethelryan257]

An interference engine - what could possibly go wrong with advancing? Great diagnostic video. I really like your cautious approach.

[@HomieHektor]

Maestro Eric 👌🏼 Well done sir, as expected 😎

[@billdunlop8683]

Absolutely love the channel, Have been watching all the old vids and trying to catch up as fast as I can, I think the "Whoaa" parts are really funny, Therefore from this point on I think I will be calling you "Eric Whoaa" :)

[@denniswilkinson1118]

That's some good detective work. Very interesting.

[@robc5955]

As ever great learning much appreciated especially when you feel plop, just passing cold round the family myself so know how you feel. 🤧

[@greasemonkey5216]

another great vid reminds me of me 1974 or 1975 electronic just replaced points Thanks for all your great vids and your thought train Jim

[@lwilliam22]

Thanks for always showing scope usage and explaining!

[@codyrobert12]

Pleased to be one of the first. Thank you for the congratulations. Was worried Mrs. O's new van had broken down.

[@dougtexas]

Great job at diagnosing! Maybe they didn't monetize the video cuz ain't no BrakeClean!!

[@bethnwalt]

Great video Eric, get well soon! Hope you get the job so we can see the part 2

[@williegillie5712]

Nice going Eric. I think we can definitely say that the cam phaser is stuck. I hope you get this one so we can see it to the end. At least this means the engine is still good. Just needs to be torn down enough to replace the faulty phaser or solenoid. Sucks they demonitized this video. The video was very good and informative. I look forward to seeing how this ends. You might wanna keep an eye on KZbin. If they’ve demonitize ya once you can bet it’s happened before.

[@crisprtalk6963]

carfax approved. i love it!!

[@SouthMainAuto]

Carfax says it's good then it must be!!

[@Auto-Tech]

Hi Erick, great video as allways. I't would have been great to dry-run the engine (no/low oil) for 5 seconds to re-take the cam-crank correlation, and i would have checked the pcm driver for that actuator before seelling the actuator to the customer (wich i'm pretty sure you did). I'm also looking forward to part 2. 👍👍👍

[@63256325N]

You really know your shit! Great approach as always...never gets old! Thanks for the video.

[@ronniecardy]

First time no compressor came on in this video

[@tedsaylor6016]

Someone should gift him a screw compressor

[@oldsilkhat7893]

I'm my experience with Kia, I've never seen a timing chain jump on a Sedona. We usually find a tar (lack O maintenance) engine, that was the cause of the oil control valve sticking or passages blocked. .

[@busslayer4790]

I finally subscribed just to see what happens next. So much suspense. 🙂

[@arthurfricchione8119]

Good video Eric. Guess I should have watched part 1 before part 2 but what the heck. Somedays are just that way as im sure you know. ❤️️

[@kboomarangfinch167]

Boy howdy, that Big E has a head on his shoulders, Nice Job !!

[@JOHNPHUFNAGEL]

Thanks for making this video because you brought up something I never gave much thought to, and that was about putting power to the solenoid valve if the chain has jumped. That would be a bad freaking day if you would advance the timing and it was already advanced. I will admit I have done that more than a few times, so thank god that it hasn't bit me in the ass!

[@greatreset3]

No clicky, means it's sicky!

[@norcal715]

Hi Eric, I would have liked you to advance the good bank phasor solenoid and see if at thet point more or less the 2 bank waveforms would have lined up. I think it would be a very good test. Also when aiming your camera at a computer screen you should use manual focus to keep it from "hunting" and also increase the f-stop between 1/2 to 1 1/2 stops to increase the exposure (if the majority of the screen is white). Great video as always. Keep up the good work!

[@codyjohnson1982]

Hey there viewers! And welcome back to the South Main Auto Channel!

[@mechanicmike1236]

Great video, wish I lived closer! I have a harness off a junk 3.5 that has that end you need. Take care

[@andrewk778]

An excellent diagnostic video. You make it look easy. Thank you for sharing.

[@joshuamyers3185]

Hope the pin is not broke in CVVT. But will find out when you do the solenoid. The pin breaks and cam will get stuck at full open which in return holds oil in passage and causes the solenoid to "short". Hope just bad solenoid. Real pain in the mamma jamma.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

This was a great one! I probably would've yanked the cover ... and then flipped out when I found I didn't need to. I forgot how cam phasers throw a whole other variable into the mix. Scary part is, this thing is NINE years old now - I can only imagine the pitfalls they're engineering into the current model year stuff. I won't know for another 5- 10 years, depending on how low manufacturers set the bid for the parts makers ... I laughed my ass off when your camera did the slow-mo dive straight at the keyboard! I've seen that view before after a few too many, lol.😁 Love how it stayed in focus almost the whole way down. Always love your reaction too! CRAPBISCUT! 🤣🤣 And, "Must be from Avoca" .... 😂🤣 That was great!! Nothing good happening around here. One kitten just cost me $1k after he refused to eat, and drank very little for 3 days (not the one that watches SMA with me - his brother). Love the little guys - couldn't stand watching him just lay there instead of running around at light speed like a terror with his brother. I'm getting soft with age - love my cats, what can I say. Was expecting it to cost double that, so that was good, I guess. Thought he had an obstruction in is colon, but it turned out to be roundworms! Nasty little f'ers. He's slowly bouncing back now. Sucks giving a cat meds, let me tell ya!! Then all the welding I did to the front axle of my neighbor's yard horse broke, and took out the brand new front driveshaft's u-joint. I have to wire up a 220 3-pronger plug for my big Miller, and drag the thing through the mud out back to the new shop from the old barn - the little Campbell-Hausfield 70A welder just ain't cutting it. But before I do that, I've been battling with my sister-in-law trying to explain to her that when you shop by price for tires, and brakes, the results are usually less than favorable ... AND, it makes more work for ME! Haven't shot any video lately since I've been in a foul mood the past week, but things are finally looking up. Ordered some name brand tires for the sis-in-law (tire place was trying to sell her no name junk tires for $79 each - could get same on eBay for $58 - Talked her into Continentals, and threw it on my card - they can pay me when they get it ... then to top it off, tire shop sells her 15" tires to go with her SIXTEEN inch rims!! Gotta love it .. ), and got her front brakes straightened out - they had me throw pads on it a couple months back with no rotors, to fix a "grinding noise". Yep! So I explained to her how she just tossed her money right in the fire by trying to save a few bucks. Got some new pads AND new rotors, and did the job right this time ... although they bought the cheap pads with no shims that were lower quality than what I had to toss. 😞 I'm gaining on it though! New rule around here for family - I buy the parts, or I don't work on it!! 😉

[@robhalter]

Great video.if you get the job and pull the intake put a oil pressure sensor in while your their.Saves doing the same thing in the future.

[@aaronarmelin616]

Nice work Eric. Very informative video. Hope you get the job like to see part 2.

[@ScienceOfDiagnostics]

Kicking ass and taking names, even with a cold. I learn something every time I watch your videos. I like the articles you wrote for Motor Age as well (if I remember right). Keep on keeping on man. I appreciate all you put into these videos.

[@rlbatch5193]

I use a seam ripper (from the sewing store) to open loom wrap. They are really sharp and used carefully won't nick wires.

[@SteelheadTed]

Seems a letter opener would work too

[@jamesyoung151]

@@SteelheadTed Not strong enough.

[@Paul1958R]

Eric, Great video and diagnosis. Love the scope info! Looking forward to part 2. Thank you. BTW would you cut off the entire connector and replace or would you remove the wires/contacts from the existing and replace just the connector housing? SMA#1 God bless Paul

[@rnunnallee1]

Eric, you get a GOLD star!!!

[@drloch6174]

Good find. Hoping for a 2nd video.

[@baxrok2.]

Sweet diag and lucky for the buyer. Thanks Dr. O!

[@billmaxfield7831]

Man Eric, this is when you are at your best....Great diag so far. If you don't get the job the guy is a "maroon"...lol

[@markwheeland3329]

Fantastic find! I hope there is a part two. I

[@eovdubsvw8743]

Looking forward to part 2

[@WatchWesWork]

I'd be curious to activate the phaser on the "good" bank and see if the cam sensor signals then line up. Is there any risk in doing that?

[@FlameDudeUmai]

Thanks for your videos i have learn alot from since i have started watching them