Kickass Miracles - T'aekkyŏn

[@hoo8072]

LEE SIN, IS THAT YOU?!?!?!?

[@stockmaster1982]

This is gotta be one of the most interesting martial art ever. Its not like other martial art, where everyone looks stiff, looks like there constipated. Rather, a very comfortable form and stance. There are so many great things invented in Korea, and i think it would be nice if ppl get more aware of it!!

[@Sevv9220]

I have been practicing Taekwondo for the past 15 years of my life...and I am ashamed to say that all this time I felt and thought that Taekwondo and Taekkyon were alike. Only until last night did I spend a few hours checking numerous sources and concluded that I was wrong. Strangely, however, this has only enhanced my fascination with Taekkyon and I hope to one day have the chance to learn it. I'm not Korean, but the Korean culture fascinates me.

[@IntelligentDiscussion]

T'aekkyon was for everyone, at the height of its popularity even the king at chosun practiced it. The only reason it became banned was due to gambling in tournaments but was only allowed to be practiced by the military, then the japanese came in and tried to obliterate it from existence. I did my thesis in college about this martial art...

[@ajlee613]

many western people seem to misunderstand taekkyeon is a folk style, it is like sirrum (traditional wrestling) in the past it is universally known (but some are better than others), TKD is not a martial art, it is an umbrella term for the 9 public schools that existed in Korea, all of which first started with founders who practiced taekyeon as children (the older ones) or seen independance fighters use various martial arts (probably GyeongJu Lee style taught at shin heung millitary academy in manchuria to train independance fighters by Lee HoeYong), and just called the style taekkyeon as a generic name for korean styles. Korea is like 90% mountain. it is pretty common in Asian martial philosophy to use aspects of martial styles which best suit the person, in order to stay harmonious with your inherent nature or "constitution." because Korea had so many mountains and was until 8000 years ago a hunter and gatherer people, running up and down mountains made the people have unusually strong legs and thus culturallly using legs for combat developed. however Korea did not traditionally teach schools (much like traditional china) but instead kept everything in family or in the millitary or royal guard or temples. thus the oldest styles being clan, shaman, taoist, buddhist, millitary and later royal. taoist and buddhist styles had a lot more structure, millitary had mostly weapon and formation combat and is similar to that of China, shamanic styles are another topic all together and was developed to kill demons and ghosts and stuff (not many people practice this today) and clan styles (only a few clans seem to have retained their style, most peasant families would have no knowledge of a clan style, and even those in a noble or even royal line would have forgotten about it since the end of the occupation. TKD thus is a mixture of various older styles that the original 9 founders learned or observed, mixed with northern Chinese styles learned in manchuria, and Japanese styles learned after being drafted or volunteered in millitary in Japan. these 9 schools came together and modern TKD, are heavily influenced by just 1 of these schools. the lineage of modern taekyeon is probably from someone who was trained to do it for tournaments and defending small country side villages from bandits or corrupt officials who would abuse power. thus this lineage has a bit more structure and there was actually things to teach about it, however there are still no ranking systems in it, and there are no forms in it, as it is pretty much just sparring, and drills, which is appropriate for how malitia or "rightious armies" of korean history would have trained. My grandpa faught during the occupation, is a few years older than the oldest of the founders of the 9 kwons. while some of the things he taught me are vaguely similar to TKD, generally it is easy to recognize the difference. however there is also a difference from taekyeon (we have clan style) as taekyeon is generally much softer (there are hard versions that were demonstrated by the guy who re-introduced taekyeon in Korea, however this was not taught or practiced, he insisted that one should not hurt the opponant and the types of kicks used and taught would reflect this mentality). also "flying kicks are sacrifice attacks to knock a general off his horse, the person who did it would almost surely die afterwards, however with his death and the fall of the general, 2 armies find peace and hundreds or thousands of lives are spared, this is why it is glorious, not because of it's use in general combat" is what i was told when watching the "cool kicks" western and modern tkd were doing and asking if those worked. actually they do have a history, and have always been considered "cool" and glorious, but just as today, not considered practical (there is a reason why old school TKD demos always have those flying kicks reaching up like 8ft high or above, it is the height a general's face would be when sitting on a horse). so you cannot say TKD or taekyeon is better or whatever, actually both are kind of umbrella terms, and taekwondo is pretty much taekyeon + karate.

[@LunaticReason]

Wow thank you for that info. The stuff about the flying kicks makes so much sense now under that context.

[@InkedNinja84]

i love this! finally the truth behind Korean martial arts. i like the philosophy!

[@djjed]

tae kwon do was created in the 1900's because most of the traditional martial art trainings were done in secrecy. it is merely a contact sport, like competition karate. most of the lethal or high risk moves have been removed

[@IntelligentDiscussion]

Hwa Rang Do is thought by most Koreans as fake, in fact most Koreans didn't even know about it. One instructor that came to the West said that he was taught by some master, and called it Hwa Rang Do.

[@pgh1585]

리신 성지순례왔습니다

[@Wuei108]

I was happy to have my taekwon do skills in streefigthts. I surprised people. they learned that they never should underestimate somebody. Never...

[@poorkwamoi]

Too many people say something doesn't work. Too many opinions and tapping. Not enough people practicing. Good for you that it works for you!!

[@kim4738]

Hi i'm Korean and I have studied in Korea until my high school year. and yes I am positive about my own country history, Korea did fall under the power of Mongol and aided them in invaing Japan.

[@sleepykid156]

it was dangerous in the sense that Taekkyun taught people how to fight, that is why Japanese tried so hard remove any trace of Korean Martial Arts, that's why Soobak became lost to Korea. and i think u misunderstood him. He was trying to say that Taekkyun applies sudden, whip like strikes. He was not trying to describe the back hand strike as Unique to KMA

[@Mazaloth]

Point sparring is to utilize the moves learned. It is done in points for connections of the attack. While it isn't the true way to be ready in the streets it allows a person to get the feel of the art.

[@stern75]

"Be calm and relax" - this is what my taekwon-do master always said ;).

[@cspark809]

Things about the martial arts it that it improves itself really fast when there is some type of tournaments or competitions.Even though TKD started out by Karate masters, however, today's TKD is totally something else. It has vastly improved and differeinate on it's own by millions of TKD practioners in a world and their ideas applied during tournaments/sparring; and it has made today's TKD. Now TKD, is influencing today's movies such as ongbak

[@ax3ninja]

taekwon-do is quite good, i do that. ive found that westernised maritial art school art often what you make of them; take the time to do the extra work and you'll be eons above the ones that just train regularly in class

[@leonpse]

At 2:39, hosts talks about the attitude of Taekkyon of being relaxed and happy. Taichi instructor said the same to me too. For Taichi, the movement just had to be done correctly to work (required years of practice). Bill Walsh, the San Francisco 49ers coach use to train his players similarly. They were just suppose to do there jobs, no crazy emotions.

[@collectkit]

ShiniGAmi, I loved your interpretations and insights.

[@hotpopcorncake]

wow you still the power after he finish explaining,this style is older then tkd

[@babotaechi]

taekkyun motto is to defeat your Opponent without causing real physical damage. For example with their kicks they don't use their shin or their top feet to kick as in most martial arts do, but they use the bottom of their feet to do a kick push. It's a really good martial art. There some videos (I dunno what happen to them i can't find them anymore) where taekkyon beat a lot of karate and taekwondo guys.

[@TheNecroWrencher]

kind of funny how all the moves shown were ones included in hapkido and taekwondo but still very cool :P

[@taihuu25go]

The times when Korea was a military regime. Korea force used KARATE. I wrote KARATE as a in kanji 唐手道　in Korea. And the Korean read it with Tangsoodo. One day I performed 演武 of KARATE by the soldiers of Korea force in front of the President. The President mistook KARATE for TAEKKYON.

[@GRISHNAKHTKD]

muy bonito, mis respetos a todos los practicantes de taekkyon, yo hago Taekwondo Itf, y estoy feliz de hacerlo a mis 38 años, jeje, pero mas feliz parece que esta el Sabon de Taekkyon. Felicitaciones desde Argentina

[@Dactylus]

Hahaha, I thought the video was fun to watch. The guy was goofy in that relaxed, eccentric way. I'm sure he knows what he's doing if his art is a national treasure, but it didn't look all that effective in this video. Especially because he would look where he was kicking before he kicked, telegraphing the move :O

[@IntelligentDiscussion]

Actually all Korean Martial Arts are even loosely based off of Taekkyun, TKD is a modern mixture of martial arts yet you can still see the huge influence Taekkyun had on it.

[@moncmon]

wow so, you gotta be a Happy Dude when your doing this martial art, sounds fun!

[@Cheerok]

Again i didnt say it copies capoeira (i never did this) all i ever said was that is very similar to eachother and it has a similar history behind it. I think i have to describe this kind of view a bit more : I wanted to say that it is amazing for an art to not even survive the kind of opression during the takeovers but also develop a bit more by the need to hide itself. That was my original statement !

[@zollen123]

Superior Cultures are cultures who have the ability to learn from and appreciate the strengths of other cultures *and* they should also have the ability to recognize the weakness of their cultures, improve their own culture shortcomings.

[@cspark809]

where Tony Ja had shown many kicks during the movie was actually TKD kicks 720 degree spining kicks, etc.

[@YoshikoImaichi]

I wrote about a story of the vice-chairman of Korean 国技院 several days earlier, but that was referred to as spam promptly. Even though it's released from spam recognition, then it's marked again quickly. I bet it would be "An Inconvenient Truth" for Koreans.

[@Nastuf]

This is a beautiful art I would like nothing more than to learn it.

[@collectkit]

I do have to agree that the comparison was not the greatest, but I does make a point how different they are.

[@airforceallie]

collectkit and tkdjuncky thanks for your history bits. i really appriciate hearing it. i am very impressed with what i saw in this clip, usually with TKD and Kook Su Won i was really bored. but this guy moved so smooth and it almost looked internal, except for the kicks lol. i hope this has a resurgence instead of the martial arts that are popular today. i saw the similaroty to this an capoeria too, but i'd take taekkyon any day.

[@Cheerok]

which is not just solely applyable to korean martial arts only. There are any martial arts that or said to have a history they really dont have !

[@deltortuga]

There are two succesors. They are both Widea Taekkyeon: one in Seoul one in Los Angeles. Yes, anyone with an honest desire to learn the martial art is welcome. But not just for a few techniques, one must be want to learn as much as possible. To only learn a few moves would be confusing.

[@taihuu25go]

Even Korean King was punished in those days by China. The Korean King went to the outside of the town and met a Chinese public employee. + And the Korean King had to do greetings to touch a head in the ground for a Chinese public employee. In other words the Korean King said hello when "I was the social position that was lower than you of the Chinese public employee".

[@IntelligentDiscussion]

hehe, I do now cuz I love Taekkyun and it enhanced my sparring a lot believe it or not! I think it's because many see me stepping slow and attack but then I explode out in speed which throws them off. Others just think its funny and weird :P.

[@taihuu25go]

Yi Sun Shin attacked the supplying ship with a little armament. He who became 武班 at 36 years old was not trusted by a subordinate. They fought till death of Hideyoshi was conveyed from Osaka by them. And Yi Sun Shin was spoiled by the Japanese armed forces on the way which withdrew.

[@Wintershines]

Blindness is no impairment, against a smelly enemy.

[@fernandoscreni7992]

The spiritual Realty in this form is A lot stronger And has a tone of it's own!!

[@NickGKiefer]

There is a saying that for a beginner a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick. Then for an intermediate student a punch is not a punch and a kick is not a kick. Then for a master a punch is once again just a punch and a kick is once again just a kick. With experience you can point out the distinctions between different techniques but in the end the human body can only move so many ways and a roundhouse is still just a roundhouse kick whether it is from karate or taekwondo.

[@taihuu25go]

2002. A Korean article about "the Japan-colored exclusion movement." Words of 50% come from Japanese now in Korea. It is very difficult to remove it. There are both the thing except it and the thing coming from Japan. The one is taekwondo.

[@redninga65]

이분 도기현 사범님 이세요. 저도 다음 스토리펀딩에서 택견이 나와서 후원했습니당^^vv

[@wonphi]

thats exactly what I mean by asian martial arts share similar techniques. I have done shaolin kung fu, which is a very old martial arts and predates many martial arts, and we have all the kicks bruce executes. from hook kicks (one of lee's favourtie techniques) to side kicks, to sweeps. Bruce Lee changed his way of fighting according to movies. He used much shaolin technique in ETD since he played a shaolin monk.

[@TakgeyonBlackbelt]

@8hiner I trained in Tae Kwon Do and I am a Han Dong in Takgeyon. If there is any influence of Takgeyon in TKD I sure failed to realize it.

[@IntelligentDiscussion]

Yeah, I like Hwoarang only because I love Tae Kwon Do soo much and I had never played Tekken until this year.

[@bluehavencd]

Holy smokes....I love it.

[@DavidBarnwell876tkdja]

Interesting that their breathing is so similar to ITF TaekwonDo breathing.

[@8hiner]

Taekkyon is not a dead art. It has mealy evolved, as Taekwondo was created by General Choi Hong Hi and is made up of Shotokan Karate and Teakkyon. This was taught to the 29th Infantry division of the Hwang warriors.

[@YoshikoImaichi]

(cont) 당시 한국무술은 송덕기 옹이 하는 택견뿐이었고요. 하지만 택견은 보건체조 수준이었어요. 그러니까 동작이 부드럽게 나가고 건강관리에 효과가 있는 거죠. (The April 2002 issue of 新東亜)

[@taihuu25go]

A description of the Chinese history. The epitaph of Monument of King Hotae. Kudara was a Japanese dependency. And Kudara held out the imperial family in Japan. The Wuning King was brought up as a hostage in Japan and assumed a Japanese a wife. katana which came from Kudara to Japan is for religious service. It is gifts from King of Kudara to Japanese King.

[@kim4738]

If you are Chinese do not be offended but this is what I have learned, the hisotircal aspects might make us see from different views but I am only telling it from a Korean view.

[@hisashivalentine]

japanese : AAAAAAAAAH chinese : CHRUUUUUUUHH korean: TUNG~~ WTF XDD;;;

[@Koldztone]

It does work in a real world fight, as long as you know that it will eventually end in the floor... Any martial art can work since all martial arts are based on reality, the fact this one is a dance-based one like Capoeira doesn't make it ineffective...try fighting a capoeirista who has experience, he'll give any karate or kung fu black belt a decent fight if he knows what to leave out and what to use from his style.

[@theMAXILOPEZpsycho]

cool, I do kok sool won, its supposed to include some off all the korean martial arts - I wonder if I will do this stuff at some stage??

[@WorldOfIvillis]

From what I know Tae Kwon Do was derived from part taekkyun AND karate put together.

[@Simon0]

2:33 man they been practising all day and now its night time! Time to go home have a rest and eat a pizza.

[@sleepykid156]

no, Korea and brazil didnt have contact with eachother when Capoiera was developed, Taekkyun is quite old

[@wjffkdhkf]

Okay, I'm one of the Chen Style Tai Chi lineage holders. Chen Style Tai Chi is considered one of the most effective styles, I teach people. and I was able to convert some of the traditional kung fu/MMA school owners just by showing them the little basics. I look at this style from a perspectives of a Chinese soft style expert, and I think the effectiveness of this style is very good. Effective enough for it to be outlawed even if they didn't have to worry about uprising. Good enough for you?

[@taihuu25go]

Our culture is a liitle bit influenced from Ming. YES. It means that Korea was a Chinese dependency. The days before letting soul fall after the armed forces of Hideyoshi struck Korea were only one month. There were not the armed forces which stopped the attack of the armed forces of Hideyoshi in Korea. When Hideyoshi died, I did the talks of the cease-fire in Japan and China. Korea is not added to the talks. It means that the commander of the Korean armed forces was ming.

[@IntelligentDiscussion]

Taekkyun Dates to the Three Kingdoms Era of Korea

[@taihuu25go]

They who lost a country of Kudara criticized it once in the Yamato. I know the legend that they moved to Miyazaki afterwards. The ancestors worship is Japanese tradition. The Korean is the worship to the power. It is an irrelevant story in Korea which sent them.

[@bdkelevra]

spinning, height, speed.. they all translate to power when used correctly. taken into consideration, one kick, whether placed to the knee, arm, ribs, etc, it WILL be detrimental. the head as a target, i think speaks for itself. look more into this martial art, and you see techniques that resemble that of jujitsu or other like martial arts. and i suppose, no matter what the martial art, it depends on the practitioner to be victorious.

[@berni17c]

love it, its like korean capoeira

[@Cheerok]

I never stated korean martial arts are child-styles of japanese, chinese, indian or mongolian martial arts. All i wanted to say is that modern martial arts in asia are almost everytime descendant styles of those origin. Korean styles might've existed before the takeovers by several other nations and they might've been older. I even believe that most asian archery except kyujutsu are offsprings of korean archery. Mongolia btw is just a name the world gave that area.

[@Xuanmen9]

@Kinghercules it seems it was his teacher that was practicing in secret during the annexation of Korea. The man in the video was then taught by that master. And I agree, it probably was to promote Japanese culture as opposed to Korean. I really dig Taekkyun though. Wouldn't mind training in that for a while.

[@Cheerok]

It existed before but under another name of course !

[@sleepykid156]

agreed, there is only superior practitioner not superior style

[@nafaidni]

You people need to see Dravidian martial arts. Karalipayattu, in Malayalam. It is one of the most ancient martial art systems on Earth. Using the traditional weapon, the Urumi, is pretty much illegal to use for anyone besides masters. Anyway, watch Kalaripayattu (dravidian). It is very exciting to watch. :)

[@collectkit]

I was comparing Japanese colonialism in Korea with only Nanjing rape (I am sure what happened after Nanjing rape in China was horrible too). The main difference is that there was no systematic Cultural eradication in China. This was not just stealing all historical documents, art, but to even eliminate the basic way to life such as language, customs, names, and all of them were planned. Likewise, in Korea, there weren't any massive war civilian murders.

[@wonphi]

and no, bruce lee didn't do TKD, he used kung fu kicks, from shaolin kung fu. He studied other martial arts, but there are chinese names for every single kick he has done in films.

[@corynn.l5146]

Lmao japanese: AIYAA!! chinese:Hua... Korean: DHoong!

[@YoshikoImaichi]

You can't find the word "taekkyon" on any historical records such as "Samguk Sagi (三国史記)", "Samguk Yusa (三国遺事)", "高麗史", "高麗史堤綱", "高麗史節要" or "朝鮮王朝実録". Also, there is no data like scrolls whatsoever. Only rumor has it that a certain kind of martial art called "taekkyon", which is something like Taijiquan (太極拳), had existed. What the associations and stuff are doing now was designed after WWII.

[@UchihaSilvan]

tool or no tool, I love the guy and the show. He needs to do a show featuring Capoeira, I would love some insight on that style.

[@taihuu25go]

Yes. Karate was born in Okinawa. It spread out in the Japanese whole in the 19th century.

[@poofly02]

Awesomenes... !!

[@babotaechi]

lol...you have to go to korea. Taekkyon is still only being taught in korea. Hasn't left yet to teach other countries taekkyon. haha...I want it to come to the US So i can learn too.

[@IntelligentDiscussion]

Who me??? The history of Korea was the freaking thesis for my Geopolitical History final as a senior in college.

[@Cheerok]

have backed the fact that almost all records of martial arts from korea aside from archery has been destroyed and that which is left is not enough to show an exisiting taekkyon before the japanese takeover.

[@sethbateman462]

Taekwondo has evolved into a unique Korean/World sport. Even though it is not popular and boring to watch it is hard to play. The early Japanese influences have changed it is its own Modern Style now. Real Widae Taekkyeon is not available for the spectator, yet maybe in10 years from now.

[@cooks2006]

Dont get your panties in a knot bystander. It *IS* interesting to follow the origins of martial arts. Just because YOU arent interested doesnt mean no one else is. I do Goju, and enjoy looking at White Crane SanJin because it is the ancestor of Sanchin. The same goes for other kata.

[@Cheerok]

Well when i research stuff i do it the alchemist way which means : i always combine different ways that history could be written down/documented thats not the point. What i want to see for once would be like diary entries from the masters themselves or similar stuff. I have no problem with the fact that the "official" history has been erased or hidden. The history of ninjutsu for example was hidden too but that doesnt mean everything has been erased. I know that there is stuff that had to be

[@monkeyfire320]

lol you could tell the guy in black was totaly freaked out a couple of times

[@DaveJones876]

That motion looks so much like sine wave in ITF Taekwondo.

[@yenxion1713]

+DaveJones876 YES!

[@Cheerok]

hidden i know that. the art i study also has hidden history since it is a descendant style of what the original members of the clan hashashin (aka Assassins) studied. I want to see if there is anything directly documented by korean hands. The crossreferences from japanese or chineses history is stuff i studied no worry i always do that.

[@wonphi]

Karate, TKD, Kick Boxing, Wrestling. You do know that kung fu isn't just one style now. too. There is Shoalin, Northern Shaolin (yes they are different) Xing Yi, Bagua, Tan tui, Monkey, Tai chi, Suijao, chow Jiow. All of which I have studied and researched, That is why I know there are so many similarities.

[@zpdldj]

i'm found to korean dictionary 托肩 = korean is tak kyon -> modern is taekkyon 托(tak) = support 肩(kyon) = shoulder Hmm... i don't understand this... other name is 脚戱(kak hee) 脚(kak) = lag 戱(hee) = joke

[@M4Inchan]

Traditional Taek-Kyun only has one successor. Modern Taek-Kyun is much like modern TaeKwonDo.

[@YoshikoImaichi]

HAHAHA! Some people call it "fabrication", other people call it "wish". Either way, that's emotional rhetoric valid only in the Korean Peninsula.

[@88CrazyLegs88]

Hmm, I always wondered what Bruce Lee was talking about in his book when referring to breaking your opponents rhythm (assuming he/she has one). Now it's very clear by what he meant.

[@rex2074]

All I sad was, its like capoeira - Nothing else - and it is similar to capoeira, different, but similar. When I watch this, I think of original man, and I think of the truth of the human form and it is easy for my minds eye to call up a history of the earth when man may have used a dance like this, like capoeira, which may be the root of all martial arts. It is incredibly important for humanity not only to preserve these cultural treasures but to DO THEM and dance in the shoes of those from be4

[@jackinsonjoy]

eeee kuu!! aee kuu!! toong!!!!!!!!!!

[@higgyfoo]

" go on have it!" lol

[@threedumb]

give it to him go on HAVE IT

[@icesamurai8]

very nice

[@animeboy2015]

omfg awesome 0:35

[@Cheerok]

Very interesting that the basic orientation with kicks and and the history behind the style is VEEEEEERY similar to capoeira, Taekkyon is younger than capoeira no matter what "experts" say i wont believe it was just discovered and is 100s of years old. thats just ignoring historical facts. also it turned into to public recognition when north korea started "reinventing" era like telling people Einstein was korean and stuff like that.

[@HipposHateWater]

Now to be serious: 1. People switch martial arts all the time; it's hardly a basis of judging how "effective" your particular flavor of unarmed combat is. 2. All [effective] martial arts use the same principles. The different "styles" are simply the universal principles of the art of combat adjusted either to environmental factors or the founder's individual strengths and weaknesses. In other words, "style" is an illusion. Once you realize this, arguing about martial dick size is a moot point.

[@북녘노인]

흐으으! 헤야아! (번쩍!) 잇~! 쿠우우우!!

[@b00mh34d5h07]

they're not saying "iku"「行く」even if it does sound like it. it's actually "ikeuh" and "ekeuh" (이크,에크), which is a form of exclamation in korean.