$$$$ killed this ancient saw technology

[@StumpyNubs]

▼ *IMPORTANT DETAILS ABOUT VIDEO:* ▼ - Coping saw kit: lddy.no/1jaqo - More kits for making your own tools: lddy.no/1jaqn ★TAYLOR TOOLWORKS IS A SMALL FAMILY BUSINESS WORTH SUPPORTING★ They are also supporters of this channel who help keep our videos free. Please support them AND us by *bookmarking and using this link whenever you buy tools:* lddy.no/s80f *My Table Saw and Bandsaw are AWSOME! Check them out at Harvey Woodworking Machinery:* www.harveywoodworking.com/ *Please help support us by using the link above for a quick look around!* (If you use one of these affiliate links, we may receive a small commission) *Some other useful links:* -Check out our project plans: stumpynubs.com/product-category/plans/ -Instagram: instagram.com/stumpynubs/ -Twitter: twitter.com/StumpyNubs ★SOME OF MY FAVORITE INEXPENSIVE TOOLS★ - #ISOtunes Hearing Protection (Save 10%): bit.ly/3BHYdH7 -123 Blocks: lddy.no/vpij -Mechanical Pencils: amzn.to/2PA7bwK -Lumber pencil: amzn.to/2QtwZjv -Pocket Measuring Tape: amzn.to/2kNTlI9 -Nut/Bolt/Screw Gauge: amzn.to/2CuvxSK -Self-Centering Bits: amzn.to/2xs71UW -Steel Ruler: lddy.no/10mv7 -Center-Finding Ruler: lddy.no/10nak -Bit & Blade Cleaner: amzn.to/2TfvEOI -Narex Chisels: lddy.no/sqm3 -Mini Pull Saw: amzn.to/2UEHBz6 -Shinwa Rulers: lddy.no/zl13 -BOW Featherboards: amzn.to/430ldhv (If you use one of the affiliate links above, we may receive a small commission)

[@MyName-zd9pe]

Awesome information as always. I'm definitely going to get some of those tool kits. Thanks man, God bless.

[@AwesomeAdamTwelve]

You showed that the better saw is more affordable, can you explain how that means that money killed it?

[@mattwilliams3456]

Ok, but what is with the thumbnail calling this an old saw stop that won’t cut you?

[@StumpyNubs]

@mattwilliams3456 It doesn't say it's a "SawStop" that won't cut you. It says it's a saw and that it stops when it DOES cut your flesh. Or do you think you'll just keep sawing when you start into your flesh? It's an old Roy Underhill joke...

[@brokeandtired]

Had one of those ancient saws as a teenage kid. They sucked, top heavy and a pain to use. Modern saws were better.

[@douglasroorda1422]

I used to read books as a kid about how to do wood projects, and I always failed at the coping saw part; now I know why. Thanks for this, will be ordering the kit!

[@uiopuiop3472]

my grandpa is calld fortnest bit he is named afte the forestener bit

[@markanderson8066]

My daughter made me one in high school technology class. Proudly hanging in my shop!

[@sinisterhipp0]

Do you let her come down at dinner time?

[@erik_dk842]

@@sinisterhipp0 Booooh

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

She's a keeper

[@ShadowKestrel]

a fact oft forgotten, the people of history weren't stupid. they simply lacked the materials and sheer volume of labour we take for granted today. but gee golly did they make up for it with a pinch of the ol' human ingenuity. brains r cool

[@itsafroggytime]

this sorta reads like a tumblr post in the best way possible, and i love you for it

[@Suiseisexy]

@@itsafroggytime the idea people are stupid is inherently leftist and only politically extant to the degree it is because of trash like tumblr. blanket disregard for old ideas is a democrat feature, not a democrat bug.

[@patrickkeller2193]

In many cases they were actually smarter because they had to be.

[@humantwist-offcap9514]

It’s almost like they designed things for people to use, you know?

[@NothingXemnas]

My dad used to say just the same. It is bad propaganda, a misconception and/or a blatant lie to say that pre-historic or ancient historic people were less intelligent. Evolution takes millions of years to occur, so even hunter-gatherers from 10k years ago were just as intelligent as we are today. The largest difference really is knowledge and the capacity to keep and interpret information. If you lived in a world where there was not even KNOWLEDGE of written language and any media to keep it, I can tell you it would be astronomically difficult to make any person understand modern physics.

[@THESLlCK]

the "coping" saw, not to be confused with the "seething" saw. What a funny name

[@rosskstar]

I prefer a 'gnashing teeth' saw ~bit more aggressive

[@jackpijjin4088]

Maldsaw

[@tkat6442]

What about the meltdown saw?

[@ChrisWijtmans]

nah coping saw is a perfect name for such a flacid saw.

[@buillioncubes]

my coping saw turned into an acceptance saw after I realized I would never get into fine wood working and it just sits in a drawer.

[@DavidHieber]

I feel like I was baited by the video thumbnail "Saw stops when it cuts flesh". I guess it's an accurate description for a handsaw, but I still feel baited, or stupid, haven't decided yet. Thanks for the many videos you provide, always a pleasure seeing your info.

[@ximarre5121]

Me too bro, me too.

[@spankyjeffro5320]

It uses the best and most effective form of Flesh Sensing Technology; Common Sense.

[@davidscbirdsall]

The title of this video jokingly refers to the channel name Stumpy Nubs as well as previous videos on saw safety including new technologies like SawStop.

[@barryirby8609]

Used on of the crappy ones for years installing residential trim. The problem is the blade is in backwards. Turn it around and cut on the pull stroke and you will love it when you get used to it.

[@alext8828]

Surprised he didn't mention that. That's the whole secret.

[@anonymousaccordionist3326]

While that absolutely makes an improvement it still doesn't quite do enough to make it a particularly enjoyable tool.

[@Traqr]

​@@anonymousaccordionist3326While I agree it's not as good as this beautiful project it's a free upgrade for anyone with the "bent rod" style saw that gets you ~75% of the way there. I do like that bird's mouth platform though!

[@ryoshi1000]

Yes, the coping saw blade should be oriented to be used with a pull stroke, like a japanese pull saw. That way, the lack of tension on the blade is not as much of an issue. That’s the only way to get such a thin blade to work without a ridiculous amount of tension. Also, the looser tension allows one to rotate the blade in the holder to follow tight curves while sawing.

[@ehisey]

Even rotated, the lack of sufficient tension cuases plenty of issues still.

[@commentsonthetube14]

That epoxy trick is brilliant. I find myself so often just needing a little bit of the stuff and this is such a good way to solve multiple problems with that.

[@frankmurphy5]

That was as good as the video itself 😁

[@GrantSR]

Seriously, that's the most important part of the whole video! Yet another, "Why the F did I never think of that?" kind of tips.

[@dr.kraemer]

I've even done something similar with muffin batter, and still never had this idea. What a win!

[@commentsonthetube14]

@@dr.kraemer yeah, I do it with pancake mix when I'm backpacking. Somehow my brain just didn't cross domains from kitchen to shop.

[@seitzwoodworking5102]

I’m so glad I found this video, because I just couldn’t cope anymore

[@mtheory3]

^This comment deserves more likes

[@bokkenka]

I've always been in awe of crafters that can take simple tools and make better ones.

[@SilvaDreams]

That is how tools have always worked. You start with something crude and make steadily more refined pieces.

[@johnnylightning1491]

Thanks, you've answered one of my very long time questions, "Why can't I cut with a coping saw? Now I know, it's not me it's the saw. Well maybe it's 50-50. Keep the good stuff coming.

[@jrrarglblarg9241]

It’s the saw. I made one of those to carry ordinary pin-end blades and the diff was astounding.

[@valiantviktor]

Heh. Coping saw. Heh.

[@michaelogden5958]

I'm no competent woodworker, but I never liked trying to do anything with a cheap-ish coping saw. Apparently, rigidity and blade tension are key. Thanks for sharing!

[@ChrisWijtmans]

never liked them either now i know why.

[@JeanMarceaux]

Can't wait for industrial society to make sequels to coping saw: the seething saw and the malding saw

[@drengr2759]

I knew my coping saw was too floppy! I was a little kid making weird "island" shelves for my Lego Pirates. My dad said it just takes practice, and while he was 100% correct, the saw had some major flaws and would have been so much better with good tension. Now I'm making one of these and I wish I could show my dad what my frustration was all those decades ago. He'd love to see a new home made tool and I'd love to bring up one of my first woodworking memories with him. He just had a 1 car garage, with very limited tools, and I still have my grandpa's 1937 Delta table saw that we used for countless projects. I just wish he could see my new shop and what I've done with what he taught me.

[@WillPower311]

Fantastic tip about the epoxy in the bag! It's a life changer!

[@tonysutton6559]

I've got 3 bow saws. I bought one for £2 from a car boot sale because I'd seen them used on a KZbin boat building channel. Then I made one from scratch over several evenings at night school because our woodwork teacher said that it was a good skills building exercise. It cost nothing because one of the kids in the daytime school had just snapped a nearly new bandsaw blade and there were plenty of twisted coping saws lying around just waiting to donate their pins to attach the blade made from a piece of the bandsaw blade. The wood came from an old desk leg and the handles were turned on the lathe. The third one was bought for about £20 from an antique shop and I just had to have it because it looked so nice and it was a fair bit bigger that the other two which suited some boat repairs that I was doing at the time. The homemade one gets the most use but they all look good hanging on the wall.

[@edrobinson1613]

I think this is one of the best videos you have done in a long time! Thanks.

[@Engezerstorung]

Jeweler here, we use coping saw a lot, you can tension them but it imply some force and a trick : with the handle toward you, you push the other side between you and your table (or something that wont move) and you tighten the blade while keeping it pushed, when you release it your blade will be tensioned since we have high workbench in jewelery (while sat down the bench should be around shoulder height) i put the handle in the "hole" between my shoulder and clavicle to push.

[@ChrisStCyr-gnt7]

Just when I thought I was done making tools for a while you post this. Too many other projects right now, but this has been added to the list.

[@crankstonshnord6591]

Finally someone shows off the epoxy trick! Been doing that for a couple of years and it is a life saver. No more popsicle sticks lol

[@tomsenft7434]

How did the Ancients apply epoxy?

[@kyonsmith5203]

they use rosin instead, which is a natural resin.

[@Vincent-S]

The turning saws are fantastic with longer blades, like the 12 inch one from Gramarcy or a bandsaw blade I have an old one made entirely with mahogany with a 27-ish inch blade and it’s a blast to use

[@gregmead2967]

That saw looks remarkably like the saw I made from the Taylor kit, even down to the curly maple. I got the basic kit, without the turned handles and cordage. I turned my own handles from birdseye maple, and had some thin "paracord" that I used for tensioning. And it does work well. Along with the satisfaction of being able to say I made it myself. Even if it didn't work well, it's a beautiful saw that I'm proud of, that I hope will become an heirloom. One thing I did a bit differently from the instructions was that I tapered the winding stick in thickness as well as width, and I put in a shallow groove on either side to help the cordage stay there. Not much practical difference, but it is (IMO) a bit more graceful. It's a quick project and does result in a very good tool.

[@AB-nu5we]

Always worth the time spent to stop by this channel. Thanks James, cool kit.

[@davidpeterson5186]

I made one of the Taytools coping saws last year and have used it a lot. One area where the metal frame coping saw is superior is when making an internal cut such as in the letter A. The metal frame is faster to disconnect the end of the blade, pass it through the drilled hole and then reconnect the blade.

[@kellyvcraig]

ONE of the things I like about my red coping saw is, I don't have to have pins on my blades. This allows me to run the same blades in my coping saw and my scroll saw.

[@joeleonetti8976]

I made that turning saw out of cherry scraps that were literally in the waste bucket. Was a fun project and I did it easily by hand tools.

[@glencrandall7051]

Excellent presentation. Great argument for making a coping saw vs. buying one. Making your own saw and using the hardware kit appears a very simple process. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂

[@lucasbiaggini]

Rex Krueger has also made a video about how to make a biw saw a couple years ago. I don't remember exactly, but I think he might even have suggested to use the same company for the hardware kit. As for me, I'll simply buy old bow saws from flea markets. I have a huge one that I bought from an antique store and it made easy work of cross-cutting some leftovers from my oak countertop to make matching cutting boards.

[@andyc972]

I guess we're lucky in the UK, I have 2 Sheffield made Marples turning saws that I bought for £12-£15 each on eBay and they're both in beautiful as new condition ! Those kits look like great value though and fun to make yourself !

[@johnford7847]

I've never used one of the Knew Concepts coping saws, but i have used the hardware-store $15 coping saws. I find they work much better if you use blades with a high tooth-per-inch and saw slowly. But I ordered one of the kits because that wooden saw is so danged cute! Thanks for sharing, sir.

[@JR-vh6mz]

In my experience, the mortice and tenon are not necessary for holding the stretcher, but they are a huge help getting it aligned initially. The forces from tensioning the blade will keep it all locked in place even with no tenon.

[@89sirmonk]

Almost like thise old timers knew what they were doing when you do everything by hand. Trades skills/knowledge are timeless, as is their natural tools.

[@timlist4173]

I asked for plans, and lo and behold, right before the end of the video you produced them. I am going to order their kit and see how it goes.

[@darrylportelli]

The marking gauge that i made from taylor tools kit actually cuts better than my veritas , even after sharpening the veritas wheel ... I may get this kit as well

[@gerarddelmonte8776]

I still have the wood saw my father made lo these 50 years ago. Works fine still.

[@michaelmcdermott2178]

You know, we don't always agree but in just about every one of your posts, I find something of value. For example, in 60 years of working with wood (okay, first ten were with a pocketknife and a flat rock for sharpening, but still...), I'd never thought to use a baggie the way you do with the epoxy. Simple and brilliant. Thanks!

[@jamesbarros950]

A day after my last Tay order. They are quickly becoming one of my favorite shops. Thank you for the in-depth instructions.

[@davidbondi]

My son and I made these together a few years ago. I used Purple Heart and Hard Maple and he used Bubinga and Hard Maple, they turned out great. I love the piping bag idea for epoxy, that is brilliant!!!

[@larryblackmon2341]

I use a 13" fret saw for my cut outs and have been happy with them. I wonder if I could make a super deep one? I would really like one with a 20" throat!

[@מעייןהמלבלבתחייםםםם]

Taylor tools have got great ideas!!! I even subscribed to their you tube channel where they are releasing a lot of good and helpful content. I live in Israel and I have ordered for them many times and I get inexpensive and good solutions and products.

[@eastcoast8435]

Thanks for the info. Bought the taytools coping saw kit and had to also get the gramercy bow saw kit. Thanks for the inspiration! Now figuring out the best finish for my curly maple saws.

[@WhatWillYouFind]

This last christmas I flew back from overseas to visit my mum. As I cleaned out her hoarding house, I cam across nice American made tools that just needed a vinegar bath with a brush and some lubricant to bring them back to life. Thick and heavy full metal straight blades, whittling knives, and a number of other tools got smuggled overseas through metal cookie tins with the border scans being none the wiser. I have such fond "though insignificant" memories of seeing and using the tools, some of which are as old as 50 or more years old throughout my youth. The value and magic of a simple, well built tool cannot be understated.

[@sbrunner69]

Pretty neat kit and result. Some of us crazies might even skip the kit and make all of the pieces ourselves!

[@susanp.collins7834]

I am crazy. I also live in South Africa where the Ran is currently about 20 to the Dollar...

[@jeffspaulding9834]

I've hated coping saws since the first day I ever picked one up, and design my projects so I never have to use one. I assumed the turning saw would be more of the same. You've convinced me to give it a try.

[@mrcryptozoic817]

I always thought that my troubles with the coping saw were my fault. I thought I just had bad technique. THANKS!

[@Oddman1980]

This video was worth it just for the plastic bag epoxy trick. I was considering getting one of the Knew Concepts coping saws for dad for father's day, but I think he would have a lot more fun making his own saw, because he's that sort of person.

[@OpuntiaCacta]

I always tend to squish metal one for a little while installing a blade. It becomes tight as hell with zero problems

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

Excellent video Stumpster! I'm sold on the saw, and spotted a marking knife I'd like to try. Thank you for bringing this company to everyone.

[@weldabar]

Thanks for showcasing this product Stumpy. It is a beautiful saw.

[@JS_Precision]

Very cool. I wondered for a long time why the standard coping saw works so poorly and drifts in the cut. Now I know. And I will try to get the old style one.

[@TheLovelyMissBeans]

Very cool! Love the classic look of the homemade saw too.

[@T---T]

A genuine fretsaw is a great alternative. Especially useful for larger boards (I mean older style fretsaws with 10 or more inches of capacity, which allows someone to tighten it very well.)

[@ericmoorehead1100]

Thank you. I always thought it was my technique in using a modern coping saw.

[@xD3adKl0wnx]

I once made a similar (though much rougher) buck saw frame in the woods. One of those "you only need to carry the blade" bushcraft tips that sounds great in practice, but you'd absolutely be better off making a take down wooden one like this one at home . nice video!

[@wdtaut5650]

Dang! So that's why even my old Disston is a pain. Thank you, Stump. I'm going to have to make a turning saw.

[@Goretantath]

"Stops when it cuts your flesh" ??? How?

[@ehisey]

Because you stop moving it when you hury yourself.

[@StumpyNubs]

Do you think you'll keep moving it after it hits your flesh? Hand saws are the original SawStop. Nobody's going to slowly saw their fingers off one stroke at a time.

[@Mikey__R]

​@@StumpyNubsI don't know, this is the Internet, population: several billion. I'm sure one of them will manage it.

[@ApKNJ]

​​​@@StumpyNubs Took me a few minutes to get that. You're getting too good at treading that fine line between wit and click-bait.

[@hastur5891]

no one has ever cut themselves with a knife because of this one secret trick the big corporations dont want you to know

[@frankostmann]

One thing that is often overlooked is the background in a movie. Looking like junk or very neat. Ur background is AUSOMELY NEAT. Well done !!!!!

[@hikingdoc]

Great video as always, Stumpy! I disagree with the wood choice however. I made a version in ash and it split under tension. So I would avoid woods that are easily split/riven (oak, ash, etc.). My maple version is holding up great. Thanks and Be Well!

[@ehisey]

That took work. Setup with the kit and no run out of the grain, not really any were for it to split.

[@hikingdoc]

I was surprised too. There wasn't an excessive amount of tension when it snapped. Could've been a defect in that stock, I suppose.

[@gallowsongs]

The real beauty is that the design scales. My dad has an awesome cross cut bow saw that's for around 50cm of blade with a clearing of 20cm to the cross member. You can tilt the bow, so an plum cut you can have the frame rest on your forearm for guidance.

[@Jped277]

Awesome! I live in the same city as Taylor tools so I can just go pick up the kit myself. I'm going tomorrow!

[@drakekiedo5944]

Being a woodworker myself and seeing videos I've noticed most of the time for this profession if you can make it to yourself cheaper it's usually ends up better then buying it

[@redchief94]

I love how its called a coping saw. Its clearly self aware.

[@lechatbotte.]

I 100% agree. I thought it was just me for a long time.

[@MyName-zd9pe]

Agreed!

[@olddawgdreaming5715]

Thanks for the great information and video James , always a joy to find another site to visit. Fred.

[@BarronFinancial]

Hello. Any recommendations for what blades to buy for this saw? I'm very interested in making one. Thanks for the info!

[@WoodenItBeNice]

Hi James, I remember using these saws in school. Your tip about the epoxy glue is amazing. One of those moments you slap yourself on the forehead and say "Why didn't I think of that?" Take care James. Cheers, Huw

[@johnnyb95678]

This is great information. I really enjoy making my own tools. Thank you!

[@garychaiken808]

Great job. Thank you 😊

[@alidamontanez-salas6706]

Dear Mr. Stumpy. I think that you might let the folks at Taylor Toolworks know when you are doing one of these videos. That way they'll make more. I wanted my kit and dang it it's sold out. But I'll wait and get mine when they restock.

[@fredlove4444]

Taytools is out of the pins and the fishing line, but they have the handles and blades in stock, which I bought from them. Then I bought the Gramercy Turning Saw Pins and fishing line from Tools For Working Wood. Their pins are a little fancier and a little more expensive but I expect them to work perfectly with only a tiny and easy modification to the Taytools plans. And yes, I waited until I got mine before I spilled the beans!

[@pazu8728]

Thank you. I thought I am just not skill enough to use the cheap metal coping saw.

[@markduggan3451]

They look amazing.

[@philipbyrnes7501]

Brilliant James, thank you. First job I made when I hit high school here in Aust. How I wish I still had it but was lost in one of our many moves as a kid. Doesn’t mean I can’t make another tho lol, so I think I will ;)

[@marktrungove2764]

Yet another fantastic video. Many thanks. Your sense of humour is outstanding.

[@JimmyStrings]

Absolutely delicious that it's called a coping saw...

[@jamesstoffel6835]

Great info video and how to - thank you for posting!

[@garymiller5937]

Thanks James! Thats a beautiful little saw. 😊😊😊❤❤❤

[@rickdoby7361]

Being old and cheap I made one of these coping saws. I even made my own hardware. I works so much better than those hardware store coping saws!!! I was so impressed that I modified my design a little and made a hacksaw. It worked so well that I'm considering making a frame saw if I can find a source for the blades.

[@jerrybobteasdale]

That looks fun to make and use.

[@Mike.DeNinno]

Love the epoxy in a bag trick. I own one of the Knew Concepts fret saws that I mostly use for dovetails. It works great but is not nearly as attractive.

[@eb4305]

Looks good man. GO AVS!!

[@57WillysCJ]

I use a jeweler saw instead of a coping saw. Also the quality of the blade makes a difference just like on a scroll saw. I believe I will spring for the kit and save my jeweler saw.

[@jmi967]

I first saw this style saw when I saw a camping KZbinr that has a folding bucksaw with the same design

[@streetsbolt]

I didn't know I needed one but I definitely do now!

[@jonathanlillpopp2869]

Hi James. I made one for my friend. I am making one for me next. They really are the most beautiful tool. aren't they? :) I get my kits from Taylor Tools. Good people.

[@Teckstudio]

This is SO obvious (once you think about it) ... I hated using coping saws since my first cut 40 years ago ... guess now I know why ... and I'm quite sure about my next project! Thanx! 🤩

[@ApacheJay156]

Liking this video mainly for the tip about the epoxy.

[@DarkGodSeti]

Thanks!. And wow a link were everything doesn't cost 100's of dollars! Bonus!

[@toysoldier46552]

If you're on pc, it's no longer below, it's over to the right James. Just an FYI and I preferred it the old way honestly.

[@usnchief1339]

Sweet! Another future project!

[@KrepsyK]

Forget the haters in the comments, this was a great video, thank you!

[@MrJhonbaker]

That's a beautiful saw you have there. EDIT: I would absolutely take one of those as a gift from you

[@DaveJHarry]

Have you configured your blade for pull or push cut? It's harder to under-tension a pull cut.

[@StumpyNubs]

It depends on how I'm using it. I want the teeth to cut against the surface I'm holding the wood on. In the example seen in this video, it's a pull cut.

[@rajun50]

That epoxy trick was worth the watch all by itself

[@peterhammes8321]

What was that about it stopping when it cuts flesh?

[@StumpyNubs]

It's an old woodworking joke. When a hand saw cuts you, you stop sawing.

[@anthonyhitchings1051]

great info on the blade tightness

[@MRichK]

I am a happy builder and user of the kit. A lot more ragged looking than yours but perfectly functional.

[@ch355_]

i really do love your videos. thank you for putting them out. gonna actually order this kit. it will be the first time for me. thanks again!

[@sac58999]

In fairness, if you're using a scroll saw to cut out the parts, maybe you are addicted to tools. Growing up Dad had us use coping saws to make simple ornaments for family members and I swore I would never use one again. 20+ years later, I bought a cheap scroll saw (on clearance from Home Depot) and wore it out cutting ornaments far more detailed than I ever would have imagined. Now on my second low-end scroll saw (tweaked three ways to Sunday to make it work nicer) and can't see any reason other than depth of cut or transportability to have such a tool. That said, I'm tempted.

[@Simeon638]

The kit is sold out right now. Any idea when it will be back? Also, could I cut those tapers on the bandsaw instead of making a tablesaw jig?

[@StumpyNubs]

Should be back soon. Get on the list. And yes, the bandsaw will cut the tapers.

[@Simeon638]

Thanks so much! I'm 14, and I'd like to attempt my first dovetails soon. Decided I'd like to make a coping saw that will last.@@StumpyNubs

[@dinkoz1]

I still have two large saws that can change the angle of the saw blade made in the same way with a wide and narrow saw blade from my great grandfather that he made in the 1890's. When you position the saw at an angle of 45-70 °, you can cut long pieces of wood longitudinally without any problems