Kilmichael: Tom Barry probably killed prisoners

#IRA #tombarry #westcork
Thomas Bernardine Barry was a Kerryman. He was born at Killorglin so surely that means he is not a Corkman. He led the IRA's flying column. On 28 November they ambushed 18 men of the RIC Auxiliary Division. Barry's men had little training. Nonetheless his 36 men defeated the Auxies. The IRA definitely shot the Auxies after the Auxies surrendered. The questions is whether there was a false surrender ruse or not. The IRA did not take away the Auxies weapons or ammunition afterwards or even threw it into a puddle to render it inoperable. This was a major mistake by the IRA. Anyway - it was found that very little of the Auxie ammo had been expended. This meant that they surrendered almost right away. The account we have from Barry of a fight lasting several minutes is an exaggeration.

[@HarlridersCVOIreland]

In Cork you'd be known as a Langer 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

[@danbreen6946]

That's precisely what he is

[@fieldmarshalhaigofbemersyde]

Spot on.

[@22grena]

And a steamer

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

What a reasoned and convincing refutation that is of all I said.

[@tomhayes316]

My Grandfather James Hayes fought along side Tom Barry. He promised Tom Barry he would name a son after him. He named my dad Thomas Barry Hayes who was born in 1941 in Boston. My name is Thomas Barry Hayes Jr. born in 1968 and my son is Thomas Barry Hayes III born in 1998. I have photos of my dad as a child sitting on Tom Barry’s lap. Great history.

[@antseanbheanbocht4993]

Great history, great Men.

[@invisibleray6987]

did he molest them?

[@Sean-EFC]

A great peice of history there.

[@liammacaodha4783]

Our lives are in debted to all these freedom fighters! 13:53

[@desmondhull5778]

Nothing to be proud of there.

[@PONeill]

If Tom Barry did execute prisoners he's even more of a legend.

[@paulseoighemcgee5772]

I don't agree ... Bob Geldof - he's a leg , Barry was a domestic terrorist - with no Dáil accountability ... having said that , you try and stop this ghaeil force of nature , nurtured by folk imagination ... anti pacifist and wounding all male violence , innit ... anger ... the flame which holds the narrative of lost chances , anglo hegemony , mental illness and regret .... Having said that , Thatcher did give my dad a holiday'esque gig on the Donegal built Channel tunnel ... paid off his mortgage .... and the craic kept my dad warm many a cold Donegal november morn ...

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Why do his admiriers so strenuously deny it then?

[@PONeill]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Catholic guilt

[@mijicmugendo]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Why do British immigrants in Ireland not educate themselves on Ireland

[@civic23238]

@@mijicmugendo inbreeding programme

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

There’s no such thing as taking a tan prisoner

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

There would be with any humane force. The Crown Forces took tens of thousands of IRA men prisoners. This underscores how the illustrious Crown Forces were so humane. There was no other counterinsurgent force at the time that conducted itself with such restraint. The men whom the IRA killed at Kilmichael were members of the RIC Auxiliaries and not the RIC Special Reserve (Black and Tans).

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections who tf said ye will be treated humanely? 😂

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections crown forces raped 13 year old girls in Iraq and Afghanistan. Go to bed with the rest of the tans ye haven’t changed

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Who do you mean by ''ye''? I am not a member of an organisation that is no longer extant. The Hague Convention and the Geneva Convention say it. The IRA tried to claim the protections enshrined in these legally binding documents.@@user-ze8yy8jg1f

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Ye as in Brits like you F”ck the Geneva convention and f”ck those pows nobody here cares he could have killed 100 of them still nobody cares

[@michaelcollins9386]

He didn't kill enough

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

So you approve of the murder of prisoners of war.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@Andy-sx5pm They were counter terrorist police who had been kidnapped. The IRA called them POWs.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@Andy-sx5pm What is the basis for this classificatory statement? They were in Ireland as pacificators. Their conduct was not always exemplary. Ireland was an integral part of the United Kingdom. It was their lawful duty to quell insurrection.

[@alananidhrisceoil9329]

Do you approve of murders of innocent Irish people?

[@desmondhull5778]

The irony is Michael Collins is ,it is probable that the same IRA flying column murdered your namesake.

[@Bob-us9di]

As an Englishman I'm coming to this topic with very little baggage - simply because history in the British school system does not include Ireland - it's been excised unlike the rest of the empire. For example I was only vaguely aware of the Easter Rising (and onwards) until I visited Ireland for the first time 25 years ago. Since then I've delved into that history in a lot of depth. As far as Kilmichael is concerned I'm well aware of Peter Harts contribution - and its strengths and weaknesses. Since his publication there has been new evidence come to light that casts much doubt on his analysis and conclusions. I don't think we will ever truly know whether there was a false surrender or not - and in part this has to be down to the 'fog of war'. As I mentioned in a comment below, whilst Barry (whom I think my grandfather met in Mesopotamia/Iraq in WWI) was a soldier the rest of the column were young men largely from farms with little training and weapons - they were attacking a professional, well-trained, well-armed mercenary military force comprised of veteran officers from WWI - moreover a force which was known for many burnings and attacks on civilians - which were their orders from the UK government. A force, essentially, with no military honour. This was an unequal fight that succeeded purely because of good planning, surprise and probably a lot of luck. In such a situation there are clearly going to be several versions of what really happened. I would agree with @barryfox below regarding the difference between being an 'armchair expert' and a professional soldier - especially given the long time that has passed since this ambush.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

The RIC Auxiliary Division were police officers served their own country. They were not mercenaries. They had military honour. It is true that sometimes they burnt buildings. As you consider this a war then you surely recognise that destroying buildings is often essential to that. Very, very few of them attacked civilians.

[@alananidhrisceoil9329]

You shouldnt speak on things you know nothing about, off and polish Charles shoes for yourself, Tom Barry is Irish hero something you will never understand 🇮🇪

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@alananidhrisceoil9329 I am exceedingly well-informed on the history of my county. I have mixed feelings about the king. Some exalt Barry and that reflects disgrace on us. Ireland is British.

[@Tn49532]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflectionsSmall issue Britain didn’t consider this a war they considered it civil unrest

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@Tn49532 you are correct

[@webweb9673]

The volunteers did not fire in each others direction, Tom Barry may have been many things but he wasn't stupid.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

They were on opposite sides of the road and both firing onto the road.

[@johnmurdoch8534]

According to barry he had all his men posted on one side of the road..there wss no cover on the other side and he explicitly mentioned not wanting men to end up accidently shooting each other.

[@merrybutcher2978]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections From elevated positions into the kill sector.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@merrybutcher2978 Yes

[@desmondhull5778]

If he wasn't stupid,why did he serve in the British army,?.His father was an inspector in the R I C. work that one out.

[@barryfox1462]

I live in California. Here it is legal to kill someone who comes into your house without invitation. Great Britain was in every Irishman's house for over 700 years, so it was about time that people like Tom Barry did something about it. As for the Kilmichael action, I used to think like you. When I joined the U.S. Army, in 1965, all of that changed. With that experience, you get a different mindset than being an armchair expert. I've studied Irish history for many years. My grandparents both came from Tipperary. My mother's first cousin was Kit Conway, who served with the 6th Battalion of the Third Tipperary Brigade. From what I know of him, he would have totally approved of Barry's actions. When I think of the Black and Tans and the Auxiliaries, I always equate them with the German SS. American troops encountering SS men often did not take prisoners. I totally agree with such treatment. This certainly doesn't make me anti-British as a whole. I was stationed in England for sixteen months and found the Brits to be totally gracious.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

You acknowledge that Barry murdered prisoners of war. Thanks! He denied it as do his acolytes. Ireland is not California. Your argument is historically illiterate. We were connected to GB through consent. If the English had to get out then Barry should have deported himself as he was of Anglo Norman stock. Are you Irish on your father's side ? If so the name Fox indicates that like most lrish people you are partly English. Do all white Americans have to leave the USA? That is what your argument amounts to. Does California belong to Mexico? Of course not just as Ireland was rightfully British. Your likening of the SS to the RIC special reserve is outrageously dishonest and offensive. The RIC Special Reserve generally behaved well. Thanks for acknowledging that US troops also murdered prisoners of war. The RIC never did

[@civic23238]

Your correct but he knows wverylike like all of them royal inbreeds

[@robertemmet7756]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Anglo Norman Invasion 1169nand 1171 take over was hardly consent neither was Ulster Plantation 1609 undemocratic or 1800 Act of Union . If Crown forces jwrre to afraid go out after dark that just shows how cowardly British Crown forces are Nazis would went out hunt down IRA the British are alway given themselves haigography portrayal of thier Crown armed forces but they die have first concentration camps in Boer War not Nazis they committed more war crimes any IRA organisation and British Empire was hardly democratic not until after WW1 did it become the Commonwealth.

[@brianboru8076]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Ireland was not connected through concent to GB, if you think the act of union 1801 was consent by the Irish people just 3 years after the great rebellion of 1798 you no nothing about Ireland, the Mps of the Dublin Parliament who voted for union were land owning protestant of the anglo Irish classes not Irish catholic natives who couldn't even vote unless they were land owners, learn the basics, and by the way my great uncle fired the first shot at solohead and killed a fellow Irish man of the crown forces the first fatality of the Irish War of independence, and he wasn't Sean Tracy who fired the second round or Dan breen who fired nothing on the day or if he did he missed

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@brianboru8076 I am well-informed about Irish History.

[@ruairijoseph]

For your next episode you should go to South Armagh

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Great idea!

[@TravisKastl-ui9mk]

Barry stationed his men on both sides of the road so the British couldn't flee to cover from the rocks on either side. Was their a risk of FF? Yes, but the risk of experienced British troops reaching cover was worse because they would have been better shots and been able to potentially fight their way out of the ambush or worse defeat Barry's column. It also served the add benefit of confusing the British by being fired on from both side.

[@Bob-us9di]

Reading through all the comments below I'm going to have to make another - albeit one not entirely related to Kilmichael. I've never really entirely comprehended Unionism. Being English, born in England, I grew up seeing a good deal of racism towards the Irish - and little (or no) distinction was made between Protestant or Catholic, Republican or Unionist, North or South. It's a long standing thing - I've read newspapers all the way back to the early 19th century that exhibit that same racism - and the cartoons depicted 'The Irish' as 'black' - ignorant, uneducated, savages - essentially sub-human. As a Londoner I knew several Irish kids at school and I always failed to see the connection between that reality and the drivel the adults came out with. The English (similar to Serbs in Yugoslavia) seem to equate Britishness with being English and vice versa - so other British people are not quite British enough - and this applies to the Irish with especial force. I'm reminded of Arthur Wellesley the first Duke of Wellington and possibly the best general the UK has ever had - born in Dublin of the Protestant Ascendancy, married to an Irishwoman of similar background. Kitty Pakenham. Wellington always tried to hide his Irishness and grew to despise his wife's 'provincial ways' - similarly I suspect that few English 'patriots' are aware of his origins - and if indeed they are they seek to minimise or even deny it. It's quite clear that the 'English perspective' on ourselves and 'Britishness' has never really included Ireland. So why were/are Unionists so hell-bent on being British - to be part of a minority that's at best ignored and at worst actively vilified - and to be second-class citizens of the only state that has launched economic sanctions against itself. The Unionist part of the UK (meaning Northern Ireland) is a chunk of land that, I suspect, the majority of UK citizens would quite happily see as sailing off into the sunset never to be seen again. Sadly, the majority of my fellow citizens just cannot be bothered with the concerns of Unionism - and if you want proof of that just consider how much Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement played within what passed for a debate prior to the Brexit referendum - it was nowhere to be seen.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Irish people were sometimes held up as models of beauty in 19th century Britain. We in Ireland are almost all of partly Welsh, Scots and English descent. Many people in GB are partly Irish. I know of no evidence that anti-Irish sentiment in GB was widespread in the 19th century. About half the Irish people who moved to GB at the time married people who were not Irish which suggests that relations were very good. Unionists are determined to maintain their nationality which is hardly unreasonable. How would you feel if someone tried to take away your Englishness and make you part of another country? There is plenty of ignorance in Ireland as in GB. Just look at some of the idiotic remarks and death threats against me here. NI wasn't talked of much in the Brexit debate as NI comprises under 3% of the UK population.

[@desmondhull5778]

Nice to see history being corrected instead of being rewritten.

[@22grena]

Its fake as is his posh accent

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

Correct it then. Do you think we care some hun prisoners were killed. Not one Irishman will lose sleep because tans died

[@desmondhull5778]

If it had been the other way round ,the Republicans would have been screaming the place down.The black and tans were brought in to keep order until the change over from British rule to Irish rule occurred.If the IRA hadn't been murdering innocent people they wouldn't have been there.

[@desmondhull5778]

@@user-ze8yy8jg1f Ps, a hun is a first world war German soldier,your being educated today.

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

@@desmondhull5778 omfg😂😂 No hun is also a term here in Ireland for Brits Since Saxons are Germans we say British huns You couldn’t even teach a dog to sit never mind educate anyone

[@spica3productions977]

Can I ask you to please communicate accurate information before broadcasting. What you have stated mostly is incorrect and not factual down to the the simplest of details. I would be happy to meet you and fill you in on the facts and direct you to the evidence which is fairly easy to find. I would then suggest you broadcast another episode with the proper information at hand.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Where was I wrong ?

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Tell how I erred.

[@spica3productions977]

I would suggest a good place to start would be to watch the recent official forget not the boys of kilmichael Documentary which was released on KZbin 2 weeks ago. If you need any further help let me know

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@spica3productions977 You did not cite a single error.

[@spica3productions977]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections No 1- The auxillaries came from Macroom not Dunmanway as you stated No 2- The men that came from Schull did not go up that laneway, you have the battle ground in reversed order of events No 3- 36 men with Barry not 38 No 4-The false surrender is non disputable, all the facts are in the military archives, personal accounts of men such as Michael O Driscoll who fought there. Crozier himself spoke of the false surrender. Forde in his interview on Dec 1st have account of the false surrender , many other accounts are easily accessible on the false surrender. No 5- The flying column took all weapons and notebooks No 6- You stated that two wounded and one dead were taken to a house nearby that night, that again is wrong. Two dead and one wounded is the correct information No 7- Two IRA men were already in the house that Guthrie called to that night. Guthrie was the person who shot O Sullivan No 8- Guthries body was buried in a bog near kilmichael and Inchigeelagh not Macroom GAA grounds as you stated. That Bog is now kilmichael gaa pitch No 9-You stated that Barry didn't kill as many as he let on. Can you give further information on this statement? No 10- Meda Ryen is an accomplished and very well respected historical author in this country, I take offence to you staying what she wrote was a hagiography. These points are just for starters if you would like anymore information for the revised video that you may do let me know

[@columorourke5426]

You seem to find the memorial calling the Auxies terrorists funny but deflect it back towards Republican terrorism. As I’ve mentioned before on your previous video, you seem protective of the legacy of the Auxiliaries. Peter Hart’s “theories” have been pretty much binned with recent publications. If you’re supporting his narrative then you really need to learn more. I recommend you study contemporary records from the Military Archives, Kew and personal accounts instead of delivering a mocking stance in future.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Thanks for your comment. Yes, I thought the memorial a drollery. There is so much to read on Kilmichael. Methinks Hart’s hypothesis is correct but he was wrong on some things .

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@freebeerfordworkers The truth hurts some.

[@antseanbheanbocht4993]

@freebeerfordworkers Hart was had by a local grifter, there were nó scouts left Alive when Hart claims to have interviewed one.

[@Antoward]

The area is changed since 1920 but if you look at where Tom Barry placed his sections they were far enough apart to minimise friendly fire.The officers auxiliaries went on a rampage true Ireland from Dublin to cork up in Meath they had a terrible reputation for burning towns and shooting up farms.my grandfather knew Tom Barry when he was the Irish army boxing champion in the 1930s and braggart was not the way he described him they had a lot in common my great grandfather was a sergeant major in the British Army who had fought in the boar war and trained some of the volunteers after the tans had nearly killed his youngest son my grandfather in 1920 in Dublin he was five years of age.my grandfather knew most of the old I.r.a lads he said Tom was a gentleman a very down to earth man who was very intelligent and full of integrity and common sense

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Thanks for telling me

[@HarlridersCVOIreland]

Langer Guthrie is buried in Inchigeelagh not macroom ,Jesus you haven't a clue reading the wrong books wouldn't expect much more from a Langer with that accent. Here's to the boys of Kilmichael those brave lads so gallant and true who fought neath the green flag of Eirin and Conquered The red white and Blue so you can speculate all you want we are an independent county thanks to those men 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

We are in the EU so not independent.

[@peterdoyle1591]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections You took his comment out of context George. You give a short flippant disingenuous response. Anyone can see that there is a difference between the involuntary union of the UK and the voluntary union of the EU. I'll put it like this for the willfully ignorant like yourself. A marriage is a union between two people. Each gives up a certain amount of autonomy in order to maximise each other's resources and wellbeing and each retains the autonomy to end that union. It is not a good marriage or union if your partner locks you in the basement and continues to use your resources.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@peterdoyle1591 The marital analogy is unhelpful. We agreed to the Act of Union in 1800. Only the propertied classes could vote at that time in Ireland as anywhere that allowed voting. I do not know that the working class differed on this issue. We were not locked in the basement during the Union. Our life expeactancy was higher than GB, the govt spent more on us than on GB per head and we were threefold over represented in Parliament.

[@peterdoyle1591]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections You mean only the West Brit Protestant class could vote as they stole 90% of the land that was worth anything in a Country 90% Catholic. (How many Catholics were in Grattan's parliament when they took that vote?) A shotgun union if ever there was one. Life expectancy was higher because we were forced into an agricultural lifestyle with healthier food and lifestyle as opposed to crowded industrialised slums eating adulterated bread as in Britain. (Producing cheap food for Britain. The same perk as a black slave in the American south that had all the tobacco he could smoke.) A union between slave and master enforced and maintained by the lash if ever there was one. That Britain spent any money on the people of Ireland is just an outright lie. The Irish catholic majority were a nation of paupers that bartered more than anything else (the pig paid the rent remember) Any spending was frivolous spending for the Protestant ascendency class that was of little use to 90% of the people well into the 19th century. Again I guess to be an Irish Protestant was akin to being a house ni*ger with his fine clothes and a nicer cabin. Still, an Irish ni*ger with his Yesum massa! Wees British massa! Yous de bestest massa and de bestest at everything. Pleeeese stop calling me Irish massa. I'm West British massa. And my childers will be loyal to you massa and there childers and there childers forever and ever. What's the last disingenuous meaningless load of crap you said. "threefold over represented in Parliament". Nice angle but no cigar for you George. One hundred Mp's for Ireland and 500 Mp's for Britain. Or something like that. I can see how the British mp's would vote against their interests for the benefit of Ireland when they were hated. George as I said you're willfully ignorant. The UK is finished and that will be the end of Britishness.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@peterdoyle1591 much of what you say is wrong . We were the spoilt child of the British Empire as was said at the time.

[@brianbyrne4940]

Barry’s action was justified, as verified by the facts. .Throughout world history British army reports and the reports of British army personnel have consistently proved to be untrue. This report by this guy is very poor, he really does not know what he is talking about. He should expose the actions of the Black &Tans. This is an insult to every Irish National, go back to Britain.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Why are you mentioning the army? The valorous men who fought for freedom and justice at Kilmichael were the Royal Irish Constabulary. British Army reports are largely true. The British Army was quite Irish in 1920. My video is not remotely insulting to Irish nationals of which I am one .

[@joelong9693]

Hes speaking like he IS/WAS British army personnel 😉.

[@danbreen6946]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Go back to England George

[@aoibhinnomahony7712]

They had gone down into the mire to destroy us and down after them we had to go

[@liammacaodha4783]

Tom Barry makes me proud to be a Tipperary man. 15:56 killing is a hell of a thing. The ultimate sacrifice for your country and beliefs. RIP to all on both sides.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

But he was born in Kerry to Cork parents?

[@desmondhull5778]

Yes killing is a hell of a thing.Take a life and that's where you go,Hell.

[@liammacaodha4783]

Nice to hear your detailed summary. 12:15

[@seanohare5488]

Get lost bias George your English accent is telling

[@peterdoyle1591]

Do you have any shame uploading a video with so many facts wrong? Did you research it at all?

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

I have read about it

[@fintonmainz7845]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections did you understand what you "have read about it"? Obviously not.

[@SeamusPlayz]

No prisoners were shot! The Auxies shot after "surrendering" then shooting 2 volunteers. Horrendously inaccurate video and opinions

[@desmondhull5778]

@freebeerfordworkers Barry's father was in the RIC,work that one out.A member of the British forces in Ireland.

[@desmondhull5778]

These 18 young auxcillaries who were slaughtered at Kilmichael had just arrived at Macroom from Britain.They were newly trained cadets,mostly under the age of 18.Nearly all of them had not been involved in any actions in Ireland.They were young raw recruits.Easy targets.I have been to the Kilmichael slaughter site.From the IRA positions in the ambush,these young men had no chance of surrender.It was a slaughter turned into a great victory. The IRA also had the advantage of surprise,cover and numbers of IRA involved in the slaughter,twice the number of the auxcillaries.

[@desmondhull5778]

@freebeerfordworkers PS I'm in sympathy too with the victims of the slaughter.

[@desmondhull5778]

@freebeerfordworkers Thankyou for exposing the truth of this whole sorry episode.

[@RepublicofE]

Even in Barry's account taken at face value it seems overwhelmingly plausible that the auxies were startled when the hidden IRA men stood up to capture them and fired thinking Barry's men had falsely accepted their surrender and were about to finish them off/execute them. But really I think the heart of the controversy is that a lot of people know in their heart that Barry was fighting for an unjust cause. If a group of French partisans in WWII captured some Gestapo and then liquidated them, it wouldn't cause a lot of angst by historians. Nor would anyone question the ethics of Barry doing it if everything republicans said about the auxies/Tans was true and Britain was as evil as the Nazis. But such is not the case. Home Rule was the way. The work of the IRB/IRA doesn't look pretty when you remove the filter of presentism. (And yes I'm aware that the loyalists in Ulster were largely responsible for sabotaging home rule. It still doesn't justify the Easter Rising.)

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Thanks for your marvelous comment. I concur with the bulk of this. Blatantly we can never be certain. It is hilarious to read headbanger republicans saying Barry NEVER killed any prisoners - it is a foul slur to say that he did - and if he DID kill them then they thoroughly approve. The Auxies were sometimes rightly criticised for misconduct during his conflict. But a century of demonisation has unfairly traduced them. There has been cumulative radicalisation of atrocity propaganda.

[@noreenhappel8531]

This man was active, some years ago, defending Prince Andrew against charges of child sex abuse. Hmmmm....

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Prince Andrew has NEVER been charged with sexual abuse of any child. Even if was dead wrong on Prince Andrew that does not prove I am wrong on anything else. Have you never been wrong?

[@noreenhappel8531]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections At the last minute - before he had to appear in court and swear to tell the Truth, the Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth. Prince Andrew decided to pay approx. $20 million, to " a woman he had never met" She states she was a child when she was trafficked to PA by his friends Jeffrey & Ghillaine'. Since you George from Ireland, seem to take the side of the perpetrators against their victims, I would not take anything you say, seriously.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@noreenhappel8531 There is no proof that Prince Andrew was the perpetrator of anything. His statement did not acknowledge any wrongdoing. The Auxies were the victims and the IRA were the perpetrators. The Auxies were freedom fighters.

[@noreenhappel8531]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections We wonder why he refused to be questioned under oath, without which he could not clear his name.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@noreenhappel8531 Wonder away. No one is obliged to answer such questions. I do not know him to be innocent. He was accused of intercourse with a 17 year old which in England is legal.

[@williamcannon7262]

There is no evidence for your accusation that the auxies were killed after surrendering. A false surrender is not a surrender.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

There is evidence that they were killed after surrender but it is not conclusive. It is not proven that there was a false surrender.

[@williamcannon7262]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections What is that evidence ?

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@williamcannon7262 Too much to go through here. Much of it Is cited in the video. The Auxies were shot through the armpits in some cases. That is only possible when they have their hands up.. Inconsistent IRA statements about the so called bogus surrender. The shooting after a false surrender could have been from a group that had not surrendered or indeed ammunition cooking off in a burning truck. If the Auxies did a false surrender trick then started firing again why would they surrender again knowing it would not be accepted? Better to run off into the dark. One man did that and got away for a few hours..

[@williamcannon7262]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections I think the evidence you site here is very thin. No one shoots a man in the armpits. wether his hands are up or down. Inconsistent statements in the height of a battle are common in all conflict. It's quite possible some IRA men might have seen a false surrender while others did not. The British were in a state of shock and disbelief after the ambush as they found it difficult to accept that battle hardened British troops could be defeated so decisively by the IRA. Claiming that the Auxies were shot down while surrendering could be just as easily be an attempt by the British to discredit the IRA. Peter Hart was not exactly impartial in his writings as he did not even recognise the IRA as legitimate Army of liberation.

[@AnCoilean]

Peter Hart's claims are also disputed since he claimed to have conducted interviews with survivors. However, one individual he named never existed and the other he named was unable to speak to having a series of strokes.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

I am aware of the controversy that rages around this. One interviewee died a few days before the supposed interview unless of course Hart got his dates mixed up

[@AnCoilean]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections also his accusations of the IRA dismembering the bodies with an axe are disproven by the Dr Kelleher's autopsy. Kelleher was a Unionist whose son was an RIC man killed by the IRA. He found that the bodies were not dismembered despite British claims

[@michaelmcclafferty3346]

I prefer Tom Barry’s video made in 1966 of the ambush. He specifically states in that he avoided having two sets of of volunteers either side of the road shooting potentially at each other. This presenter seems content to sully Tom Barry’s name without much evidence and pays little attention to the atrocities committed by the Auxies in West Cork and Ireland. Fundamentally, people don’t risk everything in armed rebellion unless they are very badly treated. England never learned that the first duty of any state is to protect its citizens.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

In that video he blinks a lot at certain points, looks away and rubs his nose - tells of lying. I have evidence but it is not probative. The Auxies committed some crimes in West Cork. I do not think there is anything that was so severe that it could be called an atrocity. The United Kingdom was trying to protect us in Cork from the IRA!

[@Irishpaine]

Hit the nail on the head.Quality video👍🏻

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Ta

[@robertemmet7756]

IRA 1920s hardly as brutal as Provisional IRA very few consider Provisional IRA heroes I consider 1920s IRA heroes but not angels nobody no side are angels.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

I concur that by the 70s the IRA were crueller

[@robertemmet7756]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Is ok to disagree with Ulster Unionist/Loyalists or yourself Irish Unionist without being overly sectarian in terms historical narratives or current political events because it seems if we disagree we are being sectarian in some way I don't like sectarianism it's divided Ireland for centuries even before partition in 1920 I don't gloat IRA attacks 1920s because not all British Crown Forces where bad. Did you know British soilders wouldn't stay same barracks as Black and Tans or Auxillaries because of their brutality. To be honest I don't see difference between Black and Tans and Auxillaries.

[@robertemmet7756]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections I don't think Michael Collins or Tom Barry would support the Provisional IRA. Tom Barry condem the Provisional IRA tactics when he gave interviews during The Troubles.

[@joesoap1960]

@@robertemmet7756 you have no clue what your talking about the old ira were more ruthless than the provos ever were.

[@robertemmet7756]

@@joesoap1960 Lol look up Provisional IRA bombs

[@dominicohea5624]

It. Was. A great. Success. A great. Day.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

It was bad day because it was illegal and led to the partition of the British Isles. A racist and sectarian organisation killed police officers. This aggravated enmity between different British Isles .

[@Hangedman1999]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections It got us Irish independence.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@Hangedman1999 not really

[@Hangedman1999]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Shure.

[@seanohare5488]

I totally agree

[@niallcnoc9646]

If he did in fact executed prisoners the only thing I can say is “Bhí múinteoirí maithe aige”

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Methinks you are a republican and even you doubt his word.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@freebeerfordworkers I am glad that you recognise that the Auxies were blackguarded.

[@desmondhull5778]

Sorry I dont understand foreign languages.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@desmondhull5778 Which ones? Truth ? Objectivity?.

[@user-ur3rr6cr7l]

George from England.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Ireland is not England as you did not know.

[@michaelodriscoll5457]

Is this clown just looking for attention 😂

[@jasoncawley8502]

Next you can do a video on atrocities, torture and killings by the crown forces across ireland and in Dublin castle. And the cover up and lies.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

The Crown Forces certainly killed people because that is what an armed conflict is about. In the 1916-21 there was very little torture by the Crown Forces. As for atrocities: only the Croke Park Incident could possibly count as that. The moral record of the Crown Forces in that conflict was good. We Irish are British.

[@jasoncawley8502]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections That's absolutel nonsense. I know your more than a little partial. But killing someone and covering it up is still murder, a regular occur ancestors in Dublin castle. B+t and auxiliary indiscriminate killings of civilians, women and children was wide spread and made legal by the British government. British soldiers were murdering civilians as young as 6 during the 1916 rising to force a surrender on the IRA. The british army and government are terrorists. Changing language and moving the goal posts ie. changing laws, to accommodate murder is immoral in its self and murder. The native irish, who the British hate, are not British. Tom Barry gave the british a taste of their own medine and surprise surprise the didn't like it eh.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@jasoncawley8502 Killing is sometimes lawful. The Auxies were the police. The Crown Forces slew v few civilians 1916-21 and it would have been better had they slain none. The IRA started the conflict and thus bear responsibility. No one is solely Native Irish now.

[@jasoncawley8502]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections the british started it by being here in the first place. And there are lots of native irish. Admittedly the british murdered and starved millions of us over the centuries.

[@desmondhull5778]

The black and tans were brought in to counter act IRA atrocities on innocent Protestants.If the IRA hadn't started their campaign of murder and mayhem in Ireland the black and tans would never existed.Haveing said that two wrongs dont make a right.

[@joehart7260]

I think I might threaten my bank manager if he tried to rip me off.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

So you are a thug too? Take someone to court if he tries to rip you off

[@joehart7260]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections That might not be everyone's first reaction to legalised robbery. By the way the IRA flying columns considered themselves to be Irish not British and therefore not subject to English law. If what they did was murder under English law then surely that law should also have applied to the Tans and Auxies murderous activities.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@joehart7260 It would be every decent person's reaction to a contentious financial transaction. Our law in Ireland is the same as English law in almost every particular. Most pre-1921 laws are still on the statute book. The law of the land was applied against the Crown Forces.

[@joehart7260]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections The Tans and the Auxies were a law unto themselves and guilty of countless atrocities and murders for which they were never held to account. The only way to conduct a war against them and their huge empire was to practice Guerrilla warfare. Barry put it very well himself when he said, "They went down into the dirt, and down into the dirt after them we had to go."

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@joehart7260 You think Barry was as bad as the Tans whom you think were totally evil. You must be anti-IRA then. The RIC did not commit numerous atrocities. There is only one incident that could be classed as an atrocity involving them.

[@dee74raz]

Irish Gaelic on the grave in the video. George, you should try and learn Irish Gaelic. After all it is the language of your ancestors

[@georgecallaghan4710]

Thanks for the tip.

[@Juliukas101]

Well, he has an Etonian accent - not terribly Irish at all! :) My granddad was Irish - from Nenagh, Co Tipperary.

[@larrycrowley823]

Wishfull thinking thinking by you and hart .trying to undermine Irish history

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

What would I wish Barry to have done this? I am relating Irish history not undermining it.

[@conlehane4617]

Very Irish accent George ???

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Not stereotypical

[@fintonmainz7845]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Yes you are stereotypical. Just not stereotypical Irish.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

@@fintonmainz7845 Typicality is unnecessary yet insufficient for Irishness.

[@aoibhinnomahony7712]

Ah yes go on the word of a Canadian very accurate information

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

That Dr. Hart was a Canadian makes no odds. Your statement is one of imbecilic bigotry. It is a non-sequitur to suggest that a Canadian's findings are less reliable due to his nationality.

[@hopper1aoa15]

You're a shoneen.... 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Many thanks. Ireland and Great Britain are one!

[@hopper1aoa15]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections no we are not,you say you are a history buff so you are well aware of the 800yrs we took to get the brutal brits out of our country,the atrocities committed in Ireland by the british including the famine was horrendous,2 of my great uncle's fought in our war of independence against the tyranny of british occupation,as for Kilmichael there was a false surrender and when 2 volunteers stood up to accept the surrender they were shot so the surviving auxies got everything they deserved for their tricks and for the treatment of the Irish people and especially in County Cork, you said it was the crown forces biggest defeat but you are forgetting the Crossbarry battle where a bigger number were killed but the brits wouldn't admit to that one....Tom Barry has been my hero since I was a young boy and how you had the neck to question his tactics when you own kind was a lot more vicious in what they did in Ireland ...my only regrets are that a lot more of them weren't killed before ye finally fucked off out of our County. Tiocfaidh ár lá. Oh by the way did you google shoneen...if so you know what I mean. Slán.

[@greatest7391]

He used to carry a Union Flag at one time.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Oddly he did not mention that in his autobiography. I wonder why! 😂

[@greatest7391]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Apparently he was turned down for a civil servant position in Dublin and was turned down, after that rejection he turned to republicanism. He hoisted a Union Flag in 1919 on the first anniversary of WW1 in Bandon Co Cork.

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

He was very close to a local aristo - was it the Earl of Bandon. @@greatest7391

[@greatest7391]

@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Can't really say..

[@kickstar126]

The Tans learnt very quickly ya don't fuck with the lads from County Cork....you should learn it.

[@desmondhull5778]

The Cork lads have a lot to answer for,example the murder of Michael Collins,Irelands Braveheart.

[@Sean-EFC]

A narrative from an Englishman. A great result for the IRA.

[@desmondhull5778]

Great slaughter.

[@Sean-EFC]

@@desmondhull5778 tramp. Worse still. An English tramp. Up The RA.

[@aoibhinnomahony7712]

And?

[@jamesgoold182]

What'd you know you sap

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

The truth

[@fintonmainz7845]

Misinformation.

[@fintonmainz7845]

@freebeerfordworkers that's the brutal nature of war. You might as well say German soldiers on D day terrorized nobody. The Irish war of independence was just a few years after WW1. Do you think infantry assaulting trenches in WW1 behaved any differently regarding surrendered troops? There were many incidents of "false surrenders" and nervous men letting off a shot.

[@fintonmainz7845]

@freebeerfordworkers There is no evidence of a war crime at K. I wasn't referring to people being deliberately killed after surrender but that surrenders are confusing events and the slightest misunderstanding by one individual on either side can lead to shooting. There are many recorded instances of this in many wars. The K ambush site was spread out over a long distance. It's not that "prisoners" were gathered together and then shot. In short: you're a bullshitter.

[@fintonmainz7845]

@freebeerfordworkers and you believe everything you read on the Internet...

[@franciscaffrey1046]

Toodle pip lol for fuck sake a jaw breaker if I ever heard one

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

Ta muchly!

[@markkavanagh4457]

I don't think this eejit understands what will happen if he gets caught by any Republican who has seen his video's. This is foolish..

[@mijicmugendo]

He didn't kill enough

[@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections]

So he was a failure.

[@robertemmet7756]

No need be boastful need respect war dead both sides.

[@invisibleray6987]

what the Brits forgot to finish, will be done by the movement of Africa to Ireland!!

[@desmondhull5778]

They may have beaten the British army but they didnt beat the Free State army,they wiped the Ira out.Barry had the sense not to take them on,or maybe the courage.

[@desmondhull5778]

@@invisibleray6987 With spears ?.