KIM defends EBRO! Mecca blames Diddy for wack rappers??? Do you agree???

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[@garyloten-beckford889]

It must be frustrating to explain something to a group who refuse to understand, listen, and comprehend. Salute to Mecca for his patience

[@khalilarashid]

Absolutely... I completely understood what Ebro was alluding to from the jump and what Kim repeatedly tried explain. To bring an entirely different conversation changes the conversation. Not that you can't have that conversation, but at least address the 1st one first. It absolutely has to be frustrating... so you're forced to just throw up your hands and say, Go Ahead and YOUR point. 😆😆

[@darrelllamontjames]

Shoutout to Mecca

[@donniedraco4310]

Math Hoffa is not sharpest tool in the box 🤣

[@John-wv6ei]

He never was lol

[@jayo9393]

Like never ever was

[@bigeastblackout5621]

Kim and Mecc were 100% regarding the Ebro issue and the point he was making. One thing I would like to see is they STOP discrediting Kim and brushing her off “here go feelings again” , “you’re spinning the block babe” etc. She’s there, show her that respect you show everyone else

[@misterhappy5462]

...um disagreeing with a woman doesn't automatically mean you're "discrediting" her. 🤦🏽‍♂😂

[@misterhappy5462]

he IS showing her the respect by treating her like all the other guests and not special because she's a woman. which is what the majority of women want btw.

[@misterhappy5462]

if you're gonna sit here and act like math has never shut down a talking point by any other person except kim...then you need to go sit yo sensitive behind somewhere 🙄

[@Footballer85749]

Kim "copped out" they asked her whose watch was all this on? She answered a question with a question lmao If this show ain't gonna keep it 💯 just say so. All of them are industry.

[@purrfitazitgetz3365]

Someone needs to discredit Hoffa and his trash azz music for killing my ears cause dis goofy is flaw and it’s annoying watching him talk down on other artist wen his shidd is made for da dumpsters and dis nigga had da audacity to call someone else music trash wen he get flamed all up and down the comment section about his whack azz music everyday 😂😂😂😂

[@Lenoxlanellc]

Mecca always shows how uneducated the people he’s around are cuz I understood wat he meant completely smh

[@drizzyfreckles]

From the first time before the expanded version 🤣🤣🤣

[@Lenoxlanellc]

@ from the jump n the rest was so hard to watch cause it seems like they are fighting to understand

[@iSaleSingles]

💯%

[@davidscott6944]

i understand Mecca also but he kept proving the other guys point but then kept moving the goal post about the culture and lack of talent

[@zizipizgankonjera9342]

😂😂😂😂

[@Lenoxlanellc]

I fuck wit Mecca he’s the logic in this whole situation

[@MisterQG71]

✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾

[@jusforever8185]

Too smart for his own good.

[@andregoodger4247]

Math dumb, Mecca said Diddy's production style is part of the issue.

[@TheBulletzgottishow20]

Puff production style was cinematic and A1 him and the trackmasters changed the game

[@jeterw75]

I think Math loves dropping the DA on dudes to up the ante

[@garyparks8686]

​@TheBulletzgottishow20 Trackmasters didn't change the game with that particular style of production Diddy did ... 80% of the music sampled weren't chopped up ... they were literally segments copied and pasted w/ different Tempo and maybe some new drums layered on top of the sample to sound fuller

[@TheHiphop98]

He always comes off like a smart fool 😭

[@johnwhite4620]

Nobody outside of Mecc and Kim are anywhere near qualified to speak about this. This shit is truly not only sad but frustrating.

[@ap4078]

I hear, but remember this is barbershop talk... some knowledge, and some duh.

[@g-holy]

Why? Cause they worked at The Source? Lmfao.

[@iSaleSingles]

Mecca is cooking!!!!!! He is 100% right. It started with the Diddy era. It went from talent to money, and the record label chose money over talent.

[@TheBulletzgottishow20]

It was jayz that destroyed New York City hip hop bad boy was a lifestyle like ruff Ryders was a life style

[@J1465-x4x]

@TheBulletzgottishow20 Hot 97 did more to damage NY hiphop than almost anyone else. They stopped breaking new artists and just played what was popular, pushed whatever artist had management with a bag for the DJs and left the culture and artform in the background. Jay at least collabed with artists and found new producers to push. Can anybody name an artist that Ebro broke? I can't.

[@TameemDream24]

Your exactly right but like Mecca saying they just thinking about how dope the artist is on Bad Boy but he saying the image Puff put out there changed the game and also the philosophy and he right they made it like Money was the END ALL!!!

[@onyxonyx4744]

Nah. Mecca is blaming Diddy for what took place FAR BEFORE Diddy arrived. Hip Hop was FOUNDED on 'sampling'. If you want to blame Diddy for not being original then blame literally every Hip Hop producer that existed before him as well. The 'music' in Hip Hop has always been the lowest common denominator when it comes to 'originality' because it takes original work from other genres. All Diddy did was advance the art of sampling and made it more GRAND. The music was fun and transcendent and it resonated across all demographics. If anything, without Diddy, Hip Hop most likely reaches a ceiling and fades into obscurity before becoming the most popular genre. He helped take it to another level.

[@messiahisaiah7521]

@@onyxonyx4744facts hiphop was born on sampling

[@bondedbymuzik]

Math so effing ignorant.

[@mictza450]

Indeed

[@POCCITY15]

And increasingly annoying. Smh

[@onyxonyx4744]

Math wasn't getting the point but Mecca's point is a bit contradictory. Diddy sampled and so did damn near every Hip Hop producer BEFORE him. It didn't start with Puff. He just made it Grand and in turn helped make Hip Hop BILLIONS because it was 'fun'. You can't play the 'originality' card against Diddy and act like Pete Rock, Premo, Dilla etc weren't using work from other genres to make their 'art'. Hip Hop was FOUNDED on sampling.

[@Ybthadreadhead]

@@onyxonyx4744the fact that diddy has to pay sting 2k everyday for the rest of his life shows you he isn’t original. The other producers that you named, never took popular songs from previous generations and used the whole song/the popular part of the sample that everybody knows. They chopped samples to the point you wouldn’t even know wat the sample was unless you digged for records ya self

[@UncleBenjs]

Nah ​@@onyxonyx4744They're not the same.

[@RickPorchiaMediaGroup]

She absolutely was not “spinning the block” she was actually keep the main topic the main topic! Her and Mecca are awesome for topic discipline

[@g-holy]

Yes she was! She was talkin in CIRCLES.. saying things she already said.

[@davejackson1106]

Math, You Just Vexed The Hell Outta Me & I Wasn’t Even In The Shop 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MrJ1S]

I feel like that almost every clip lol

[@leonalexander1059]

Mecca and Kim really low key the most intelligent on this podcast,they should do a podcast and show how diverse our ppl can be with topics

[@acpjr]

It's because they're both journalists from The Source

[@amidbse]

They’re actual journalists who have been around for A LOT. Their understanding of the game is on another level.

[@borrowinbars9162]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@AdamWilliam329]

Not low key...are. no disrespect to Math. 😅

[@thatguy-eg8el]

They'd get 300 views. They're boring

[@RocBoy317]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET YOUR OWN POD MECCA!!!!!!!!!….to many non informed individuals around you💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@Russplight]

Mecca always articulates himself so well. He's right about Puff normalizing the philosophy of being less creative on the production side and then glamorizing that type of bravado for the culture and new and upcoming artist entering the game. Now here we are in 2024.

[@DDaniels3000]

This video is a clear demonstration of why hip-hop is struggling to progress in today’s climate. Mecca was making an excellent and insightful point about how we arrived at this state in the industry-exploring the lack of integrity and focus on artistry-but Math seemed unable to grasp the bigger picture. Instead, he fixated on one detail, completely missing the broader implications of the discussion. It’s truly disappointing to see this level of shallow thinking dominate the conversation. It’s an example of why hip-hop is where it is today: too many people stuck in one-track mindsets, unable to think critically about how the choices we make now impact the future of the culture. Until more people in the community begin to engage deeply with these issues and think beyond immediate profits or surface-level debates, we’ll continue to see the art form deteriorate. Let’s hope this serves as a wake-up call for the culture.

[@onyxonyx4744]

Mecca's point was originality as it relates to Rap production correct? Rap has literally ALWAYS 'bitten' off of other genres. If we are going to blame Puff, then blame the forefathers for literally creating a genre that based its EXISTENCE on 'sampling' someone else's work. There are so many other things that deserve blame other than Puff for why Hip Hop is the way it is currently. Puff had a hand in A LOT of the greatest Hip Hop music EVER.

[@sportcoatjoditv7148]

@@onyxonyx4744aside from the fact that they went off track. Someone should have made your point to bring them back !!!

[@blessedbetit665]

@@onyxonyx4744 Yeah I was a little confused as to why Mecca made this point, it almost seemed like a personal attack on Diddy. Or he was just trynna rewrite Hip-hop history to suit his own narrative. And it's crazy how in a NY barbershop no one is refuting this😂

[@bunchycarter8846]

Yeah on top of the fact that he was dissing the south there have been plenty of successful artists with lyrics from the south the industry wanted to dumb down music and they only selected one part of hip hop that was always there nobody gone call uncle Luke trash because one hell whip dat ass and two cuz it was party music , the industry wanted the kids to be thugs hoes and drug users which they always have now they have the times to do it and the net to spread it that’s it nothing to do with the south

[@djrtrane7470]

SALUTE TO MECCA💯💯💯💯 he is unfortunately surrounded around cognitive dissonance counterparts sitting in the other barber chairs

[@bajsunshine]

Omg I felt like I was in psychology class 😂 re:cognitive dissonance And yes I agree ☝️

[@g-holy]

That's the optic. He's the dumb one.

[@djrtrane7470]

@g-holy yeah sometimes i think Its on purpose for show buzz and shock value

[@zaratidepaz8591]

Damn Mecca, I feel your frustration. Not everybody has mastered the art of comprehension.

[@onyxonyx4744]

Mecca looks intelligent in a room or comment section full of idiots. Puff sampled just like every producer before him. So what? If you're going to call Puff unoriginal, then make sure you don't leave out Rza, Dre, Kanye, Premo, Madlib, Dilla, Pete Rock, Havoc, Alchemist etc. They ALL sample. I don't want to hear about who transformed the sample more. Make the beats from SCRATCH with NO SAMPLE if you want to be called a true, original artist. The bottom line is, Hip Hop comes from sampling. In its PUREST FORM it's not really 'original' musically.

[@g-holy]

🎯🎯🎯​@@onyxonyx4744

"Make the beats from scratch with no sample if you want to be called a true original artist". Bruh what or who is a "true original artist"? All the greatest rappers and producers we pay homage to have used sampling. Are they not "true original artist" whatever that's supposed to mean? All Mecc is saying is (and I'll use this example), there's a big difference in Common and Large Professor (Extra P.) using "Ice" by Spirit for the "Resurrection Remix" than biting the whole beat and tweaking the hook like Puff did for "I'll Be Missing You" which he used from Sting.

[@iUploadTracks]

DJ Kay Slay showed ALL REGIONS of Hip Hop love if he thought your music was 🔥. it will never be another him

[@400iz7]

Math dancing for his daddy. Can’t even understand when a wise man like Mecca is speaking……certified goofy

[@LurnWell]

Or it's all entertainment and you're the goofy for picking sides...

[@SpyroTek]

​@@LurnWellI'm on the side of truth. Doesn't matter who says it.

[@Lenoxlanellc]

This wat happens wen u don’t listen but wait to say wat u want

[@jaeGriz]

🎯

[@skillz78]

Home run!

[@DutchWeazel]

English is not even my main language, but I understood every word Mec said from the jump.

[@khalilarashid]

This was a Shannon Sharpe / Skip Bayless moment.... Math about to make Mecca take his glasses off. 😆😆😆🤣🤣

[@mmmagus4903]

Part of NY getting taken down is karma. Stop hating on other regions. Now yall don't run your own artform. Hold that.

[@onyxonyx4744]

And now Rap is dead. Hope you South dudes are happy. Y'all ran it into the ground with that corny, slow bus Rap.

[@brandonconnor6245]

Mecca is a monster! I respect his patience an his passion for the art! Can’t believe math really couldn’t grasp what he was saying 🫤

[@logical7201]

Go back and listen to the Wu Tang Clan double CD. Rza's intro is talking exactly about this..and Diddy without mentioning his name. They said it back in 96

[@darkgable4130]

De La Stakes Is High as well and Clones by The Roots

[@chisimpson3376]

Math is so slow! The point Mecca is trying to make is… when the question was first presented; math started blaming Dj in New York for playing down south music. So essentially math tried to make this an issue with the south… but what Mecca is saying that the downfall of this starts with diddy. Letting him no that it’s not the south’s fault it’s really the east coast. Mecca is explaining the root cause of it

[@Footballer85749]

Agreed. But to be fair Mecca should say it with his chest. "Diddy birthed biting and that led to everything else Ebro is talking about" Math and the others should say I blame the 2 new york radio stations. These guys talking in code, if they going to do that, don't even talk about this.

[@chisimpson3376]

@ I agree brother! 👍🏽

[@purrfitazitgetz3365]

Hoffa ears must be tone deaf to his own shidd cause dat goofy NY mentally is why he almost 45 years old and still trying to be a “ rapper” 😂😂😂😂 dudes a real clown and constantly get clowned over his own garbage azz music and dese battle rappers need to stop saying they “ artist “ cause who checking for dis clown music besides a few of other clowns dat agree with his concept 😂😂😂MF has a chip on his shoulder and being from da south im unsubbing and actually music is subjective but it’s so convenient how Dey easily shidd on da south but never NY music 🤦🏾‍♂️ when most NY artist can’t make decent music and assume because they have “ bars” dat automatically makes them fire 😂😂😂😂😂 bun B even told dis clown it ain’t just the music people have to be able to relate to you and ur music it’s a lot of different things to what makes an artist pop and the YG gen z controls da music it’s their ERA and 40-50 years ain’t supposed to relate to these YG music or shouldn’t even be speaking on it

[@Dipset415]

@@Footballer85749Diddy birthed doing anything for money Atlanta took that and ran with it😭

[@onyxonyx4744]

But Mecca was WRONG. It didn't 'start' with Diddy. It STARTED with the pioneers of Hip Hop who based the foundation of Hip Hop on 'sampling' someone else's work. Diddy just perfected it and made it GRAND. I would argue a lot of people ate crazy off of those big records Puff made (artists, magazines, labels etc). He brought a lot of money and shine to the industry because those joints crossed over and helped take Hip Hop to a different level.

[@gunz350]

Math ego is crazy. Very closed-minded and can't put 2&2 together to understand someone's else's point of view or prospective.

[@purrfitazitgetz3365]

Dats why he’s a battle rapper and not an artist 😂😂😂

[@SunniMerlot]

He does that anytime smart people come in the show

[@gunz350]

@SunniMerlot 🤣

[@400iz7]

Lost even more respect for Math here……

[@ray1411]

Remember, Math is still a businessman.

[@purrfitazitgetz3365]

@@ray1411math a goofy dats salty nobody checking for his trash azz music

[@onyxonyx4744]

Why? Sure he struggled getting Mecca's point but Mecca is being too much of a 'purists' for his own good. Hip Hop has always used sampling. If you're going to blame Puff for its downfall, then blame EVERY PRODUCER BEFORE PUFF because they sampled as well.

[@ray1411]

@@onyxonyx4744 You totally missed Mecca's point, huh?

[@purrfitazitgetz3365]

@@onyxonyx4744 brah he was just stealing other people shidd he wasn’t sampling lol

[@dabest9843]

Mecca's statement was easy to understand. All this twisting and moving the goalposts to protect Diddy is crazy.

[@onyxonyx4744]

Puff's contributions were INCREDIBLE. He's just an easy target now because of the case. Puff sampled just like everyone else before him. He just did it on a different level. If you call Puff and his team 'unoriginal' then do the same for Rza, Premo, Dilla, Madlib etc

[@rosshuntley5347]

They need a southern dude on there too defend all of this slander.

[@purrfitazitgetz3365]

Brah they wont never do that because they like pushing this anti south narrative

[@JohnJasonCecil]

For real, even NY listeners were tired of hearing NY rappers...that's why the South, with all of our regional dialects, was a fresh sound to ears up top...

[@charleshinton5149]

Exactly and they act like every NY artist was super talented man T.I. young Dro Killer MIke Andre 3k Big Boi Bun B can out rap 90% of New York artist that came in the 200’s

[@RC______]

Math is not stupid. He understands everything Mecca says. Math problem is he plays dumb to stay loyal the streets. He makes a lot of excuses for nonsense.

[@cntmkedissup3328]

Mecca talking to the 🧱.....the rest of the group is slow........the guy next to mecca is trying to please math😂😂😂

[@Crenshaw17]

An R&B artist primary skill is their voice. A rappers primary skill is their words.

[@jahthaking691]

Can’t agree with that bra….A rapper can be saying the illest things but if it doesn’t sound good or not delivered the right way its a dud

[@ALexander-ue3kj]

It's the voice and words for both genres. The delivery has to be on point.

[@Crenshaw17]

@@jahthaking691 take someone like Jay-z. He doesn’t necessarily have an appealing voice. But his lyrics/words put him the running of greatest. Which is my rapper put so much emphasis on writing their own lyrics. Now someone like Luther Vandros, it don’t matter what words he’s singing, his voice is what people are coming for.

[@Crenshaw17]

@@ALexander-ue3kj of course words are important, but most singers are not song writers the voice & the writing is 2 different skills. Rappers on the other hand, it’s big deal for them to write their own lyrics.

[@Jhollywood01]

The other dude in the red cap next to mecc sound just like math 2.0" lol

[@robk5449]

Math must pay homie’s rent. Kim needs to leave this mess

[@diegoalexander3933]

Helium Math

[@dreskeejohnson8534]

Homie ain't lying.. KIM IS FINE !!! Keep her on the show Math ‼️

[@SadieCarpenter-ft4he]

Still can't get over how good this is!

[@omarscruggs7471]

17:00 Mecca wanted to say "Im not sure youre smart enough to get it" hahahaha

[@BonafideDG]

This is a INTERESTING conversation. Big props to the MEO board.

[@madbrando1]

Mecca explain to math like a child and math still don't get it🤦🏿‍♂️ math is stuck with what he likes that's why his music always is trash

[@andregoodger4247]

Also, Math seems like he loves to hear himself and he talks to much to listen and get it.

[@stephisdope89]

Don't sneak diss Bubba sparxx like that math, getting ugly was a good ass song and timberland put him on, it was a good time

[@tyreesneed]

no timbaland didnt put him on, jimmy iovine needed a black person to cosign him and had Timbaland in his pocket and paid him a ton of money to do that and cosign and put him out .... Timbaland got a HUGE bag from jimmy , a label deal, a promised 10 year budget to do whatever he wants if he does that for jimmy iovine. bubba was GARBAGE

[@SiincereARC]

Mecca is bursting veins trying to break down something simple to Math. Either that or Math is doing this on purpose. It's frustrating listening to Math have debate with someone.

[@culcre]

Math is 100% doing it on purpose. Hood cats love fronting like what you’re saying is so far off they can’t grasp what you’re saying. Whole time they know exactly what you’re saying and maybe even agree but they can’t concede. To them it’s taking an L and their ego can’t accept an L so they’d rather stifle the conversation and frustrate you until you drop it. That’s how hood cats get out of admitting that they were wrong.

[@nvm7191]

Math is too stuck on the rapper/bars part of it and not the production side

[@culcre]

@@SiincereARC Funny my comment was deleted and I knew it would so I copied it to paste it later and it’s even erased from my copy clip board.

[@SiincereARC]

@@culcre I'm confused. Are you saying I'm the reason it was deleted?

[@culcre]

@@SiincereARC No, I’m just saying it’s funny I notice my comment got deleted. In the comment I said Math 100% knows what he’s doing. But that’s what hood cats do when they know they wrong. They stifle the conversation by fronting like you’re so far off they can’t grasp what you’re saying. Truth is they understand you and maybe even agree but their ego can’t allow them to concede so they’d rather frustrate you to the point you just drop it. That’s how they avoid taking the L and admit being wrong.

[@tristanpardo3623]

Mec was tryna say it’s the mindset of the culture that changed. Instead of appreciating genuine authentic art, it grew into what it is today. AND YES‼️ LETS LIVE IN REALITY AND BLAME DIDDY. CUZ WHO TF WAS THE ARTIST? HIM OR BIG? HIM OR MASE? HIM OR LIL KIM? And it’s hard to say for the nigga to do his job cuz we can see what his true intentions are now with what’s current….

[@Discipline2-q6g]

True indeed, I agree. It became lazy in making money fast. Miss the 90's

[@onyxonyx4744]

The culture's 'mindset'?? Hip Hop's FOUNDATION comes from sampling. You could make the argument that 98% of Hip Hop's actual 'music' isn't 'original' because it involves taking work from others to make a final product. That certainly didn't begin with Puff.

[@tristanpardo3623]

@@onyxonyx4744 your sounding like the rest of them. We aren’t talking about the production of music. It’s more so about hip hops moral compass.

[@DPrime215]

16:32 Is HILARIOUS 🤣🤣🤣🤣. The contrast in Mecc’s & Math’s expressions 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Ironman79]

Puff and Bad Boy made it about materialism. Don’t worry if I write rhymes, I write checks. Biggie co-signed it. Y’all love talking bad about other regions but not your own. When Nas dropped IWW and De La dropped Stakes Is High on the same day there was a divide. When Jay dropped Vol2 and Black Star dropped on the same day there was a divide. The people who stayed true to hip hop’s roots vs materialism. It happened. Can’t erase that. That happened in NYC/east coast. De La, Jeru, The Roots, etc were against the direction Puff was taking hip hop. Puff called people haters because they called him out on his bullshit. Math is delusional. He just don’t want to put any fault on his region.

[@donniedraco4310]

Wow you are a true head op

[@g-holy]

That's not Mecca's point. His was about production. Now y'all sayin Diddy killed the sound AND the bars?🤦🏾‍♂️

[@aaronconnor6547]

@@g-holythat wasn’t his point exactly, but this guy is going a step further in the argument. Puff did change the direction production wise and culture wise.

[@donniedraco4310]

Math is making it about himself, why he didn't get signed in the golden age

[@Irontiger19]

Clearly, Mecca and Kim are the most intelligent people on the show.

[@onyxonyx4744]

Intelligence is a VERY complex thing. Let's just say they are more knowledgable regarding certain subjects in Hip Hop. Mecca was wrong about the Diddy thing though. Sampling existed WELL BEFORE him and a lot of those beats were just sample loops with little to no creativity added to them back in the day.

[@Irontiger19]

@onyxonyx4744 You think Mecca was wrong. A lot of people, including me, think he was right. People on the show are giving their opinions. It's not always about right and wrong or whether someone agrees with you or not. What he was saying was he believed Diddy opened up the flood gate for that kind of production method. It's his opinion. I say intelligence because Math and others made such a big deal about his opinion. It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.

[@g-holy]

Clear to WHO?

[@LokiHigh]

This conversation was all over the place. Everyone doesn’t need a podcast.

[@BiGqnZ718]

They should’ve played the ebro interview 2 more times so they can grasp and understand what he was saying lol

[@jaybelcher3135]

They knew what Ebro was saying. They just wanted to discredit down south artist

[@purrfitazitgetz3365]

@@jaybelcher3135u peeped that too

[@kevinmccreary341]

Math and the other guy with the red hat live in their own small bubbles.

[@GMoneybagzzgdg]

1 million subscribers sheeeesh. That good shit homie🫡🫡🫡🔥🔥🔥

[@R8rblood]

Kim people hearing something of fact and then flipping said fact into opinion is what is done nowadays

[@datdudetheyhate4121]

Dude with the god sweater is completely right

[@chad_Luciano]

Math always thinks he’s right 🤣

[@onyxonyx4744]

Math was right he just didn't know why lol. Mecca should be holding the forefathers of Hip Hop accountable for making sampling the foundation of it. Don't blame Diddy. Diddy only copied and advanced a Blueprint that existed WELL BEFORE him. Blame Afrika Bambata and all of them other cats lol

[@BettyFisher-gy4sk]

You're incredible, keep making videos!

[@deborah752]

I really feel bad for Kim and Mecca having to be around stupid people I don't understand a simple statement

[@BigMoneyy860]

She Look Good Af

[@Fortune31Studios]

Kim been fine from Day 1

[@nellbigavell8113]

Facts, always did 😻

[@tyrellward873]

Say the truth New York rap is trash universally around the USA 😂 2014 until present times , outside of pop smoke, all the other rap artist are trash

[@bigeastblackout5621]

Yoooo I truly think they’re messing with Mecc…how do they not understand what he was saying and how Diddy was a part of what Ebro was defining. The production is a part of the art form so yes it was part of the issue. I think they debate everything he says on purpose…make it more like FIRST TAKE

[@quincyking9804]

The shiny suit era was extremely corny and ruined Hip-Hop. Period!

[@tenzel1231]

And that is w what Mecc was saying without saying it like that

[@WillBeatty95]

Art is in the eye/ear of the beholder. The arrogance that allows Math to think trash rap started down south because he doesn’t like it is the whole reason New York lost the lead in Hip Hop. The rappers I believe he’s calling trash, built organic audiences in their region (and many got rich just going gold regionally) by making music that reflected their audiences experience and life perspective. They sold music directly to that market and performed on the Hip Hop “chitlin” circuit and became foundational to the culture. The trash comment is wild disrespectful and misinformed.

[@jahthaking691]

💯 in my eyes the south ain’t kill hip hop it SAVED it!

[@thdoom81]

it's new york...they are assholes

[@KevinBrown-vw4nm]

Math is so dumb

[@DamosTacos]

1:01 thank me later

[@ill71]

😂thank you

[@GMS_MCMI]

hahaha

[@DeeZee75]

God's work

[@juntaoreagent]

MVP

[@grimmcyph932]

Thank you sir 🙏🏽

[@khalilarashid]

Math is an exceptional mind. I think he does this ish on purpose because toward the end he was making the argument that Mecca was making all long. Great Conversation to listen to and debate.

[@r.a.h.hrealauthentichiphop147]

Just said the same exact thing I listen to him speak he smart and even moments like when daylyt said math pulled him to the side and asked him something like when it’s all said and done what you wanna be remembered for you got one of the best pens in the game but your antics are overshadowing that

[@jotoshi6172]

Why is the production style so difficult to understand? Math wasn’t playing when he said “he’s so special”

[@blessedbetit665]

😂😂😂

[@g-holy]

Are u not aware that RAPPERS DELIGHT is just the beat from Chic "GOOD TIMES"? HIP-HOP STARTED OUT BITING! WTF are y'all TALKING ABOUT?

[@jotoshi6172]

@@g-holy of course I’m aware but that doesn’t take away from Mecca’s point about production style. He also said Diddy is a part of the problem which means there’s more to it. Understanding production style shouldn’t be this complicated.

[@g-holy]

@@jotoshi6172 It DOES take away from Mecca's point. If he don't like biting, he don't like the ESSENCE of Hip-Hop.

[@jotoshi6172]

@ but what does that have to do with understanding what production style is? Whether he likes it or not doesn’t matter. I’m just pointing out the fact that he’s having difficulty understanding production style.

[@kojoayinde7499]

I also agree with Mecca’s logic and reasoning in this Diddy production convo… the standard went left at the rise of the shiny suit era which pushed out the NYC conscious & Boom Bap era. Math is only hearing the level rap decline (which I agree with him on) but it starts with the production going for the cross over & beat bite’en - calling it “the Remix”.

[@anthonyshannon6744]

Math salty because he never made it past the gate

[@williemazehaze8673]

Exactly

[@CaptainKneegrowMan]

I refuse to believe that math is this dense, I think he’s just being contrarian to make the pod interesting 😂

[@sagewayne28]

See why some of them in that room voted MAGA and why some didn’t. Critical thinking is lacking.

[@g-holy]

From ppl like u.

[@missbnyc212]

Thank you Mecc. Salute fam! Kim, Thank you.

[@bmoresure5720]

Diddy made it cool to no be original is what he’s saying

[@DashDashh13]

Mec was spot on yet again and every is just back to conversation that stirs the pot. That’s spinning the block the whole conversation math was trying to have.

[@E_NYCE]

Math a bully unfortunately… he finesses any situation were someone has a different opinion. It seem like no one can teach him anything. I wonder who he thinks has enough wisdom to learn from ??🧐 6:38

[@stayout9]

Lolol, it's frustrating because I immediately got what Mecca meant from the first time he made the Diddy point. I'm like "how can they not understand it?".... Like they can't see the forest for the trees

[@Irontiger19]

It's sad how ignorant Math Hoffa is.

[@Heaven_Hollywood]

they blame diddy for everything diddy i dont care how many samples he used he always kept it hip hop

[@brianmillsaps3252]

Let’s Go!!!

[@colinc5531]

Math, i totally agree bro !....certain regions started bringing the bar down !

[@joeltorrellas7282]

Blame Diddy for gay rappers 😂😂

[@jzurita6186]

If he ®aping them, knocking them out with d®ugs, and recording it. Them dudes are victims of blackmail and sexual assault. I used to laugh about it too until you realize what it really is

[@SideStreetHustler]

He right!!!! Puff

[@Ellew9837]

Chile comprehension or lack there of w the Ebro story.. except for Mecca and Kim

[@gregoryjefferson6311]

Somebody tell Math that Record Comp's/Artists/Mgrs/etc have been paying Radio to spin records since the 50's .

[@r.a.h.hrealauthentichiphop147]

I think he said that in this clip that it’s been going on since the beginning of record labels and radio

[@Irontiger19]

The dude next to Mecca in the red hat is annoying asf. He thinks he knows everything and always wants to bring up politics.

[@tenzel1231]

Hate that asshole

[@g-holy]

He knows WAY more than Mecca.

[@thdoom81]

he is a pseudointellectual...he is dumb

[@g-holy]

@thdoom81 I like that one.

[@rikers263]

This is a good one, I love it when they have open honest debates. Other shows they look so scripted.

[@jrich8319]

Mecca trippin' with dat POV

[@MrJ1S]

Lmao this room is insanely dense. This man brought up luther vandross doing covers? Which EVERY SINGER//BAND HAS DONE SINCE THE 1ST RADIO WAS TURNED ON Diddy party is the payola?? 😂😂 man unclog ur ears

[@darkgable4130]

Mecca has outgrow this platform. He can do more.

[@g-holy]

Everytime Math put them on the spot, they FOLDED.

[@gregoryjefferson6311]

I'll never , ever understand how Ebro made his way AND jumped in front of a TON of TRI-State Dj's/Rappers/Radio Personalities/Hosts/etc in the first place .

[@SunniMerlot]

Hustled WAY harder than the rest. He wasn’t picked for nothing frfr

[@jman1562001]

The corporations that run radio 📻 put him in position. Plus he is a out of town guy so they probably figure he won't have hometown bias 😏😏😏

[@jman1562001]

Plus Ebro is famous for calling certain ny rappers minor league rappers 😆

[@djjahfingaz]

They’re both making good points. IMO

[@Gstreet125]

Shout Out to Mecca for his patience. We literally watched his beard get more gray 😂😂😂

[@kharrington5268]

I blame Wayne. When that clip of him making The Carter 3 and how he was punching in his lines and talking bout how much he records, he taught the next generation. They all talk about how much they live in the studio but unlike Wayne, they make trash. They will put out 30 songs and only 2 of them are decent. Quantity over Quality and the loss of artist development is what ruined the game

[@willsalter8113]

This was so frustrating because Mecc was clearly stating his point and it made so much sense but because for some reason it kept going over their heads.

[@oakboyh]

Don't play Laffy Taffy around Math

[@GrindNGo-p8t]

Math is always moving the goal posts in convos.

[@RalphyswayReacts-t2y]

Math bruh u get it

[@drizzyfreckles]

Mecca next episode deserves to have his hair washed, retwisted. This was exhausting to watch 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ugeorge100]

The Mecca and Math show i love this! 😅!

[@ChicagoStyles23]

when rappers say live their raps, Math wasn't lying with that "Special" record 🤔

[@khalilarashid]

Mecca is making PLEEEEEENNNNNTTTTTYYYY of sense. Good Lord Have Mercy !!!

[@g-holy]

Where?

[@rocklandsfinest7116]

This conversation bout 2 go viral. 🔥🔥🔥🔥