I hope you enjoy this video! If you want to learn more about Intermittent Fasting, go ahead and download my free guide: drkimfoster.com/fasting
@babup8986 Жыл бұрын
Great.
@fazeelaqayyum6062 Жыл бұрын
can we intemittent fasting with IBS??
@nikmacfif3 Жыл бұрын
My red blood cells count dropped below range since i started fasting 12-15 hours daily. Should i stop fasting?
@terrymokihana1421 Жыл бұрын
Ketosis with Intermittent fasting . Autophagy =fasting for at least 24 hours ( autophagy starts )
@machoentertainment63756 ай бұрын
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@jsorensens211 ай бұрын
Autophagy is amazing. I started eating a keto diet and doing Intermittent Fasting (IF) as a way of life 4 months ago after I was diagnosed with the beginnings of fatty liver disease. After only 1 month of implementing these things, I went on a 72 hour water fast, so that I could really ramp up the autophagy level. I kid you not, but a chronic pain condition that I had in my right calf for 40 years (yes, FORTY years) was cured. Cured. My doctor told me that my 72 hour fast / autophagy clean-up, was the reason. Amazing! I do IF on a 18:6 daily schedule, but once a week eat OMAD (One Meal A Day). I feel better than I have in years, look better, my inflammation is greatly reduced, and I've lost 25 pounds (out of the 30 pounds that I was overweight for my size). Next month I'll do another 72 hour fast for another robust autophagy session. I'm going to do these 3 times a year for life. Truly amazing.
@KimFosterMD11 ай бұрын
Amazing results! Good for you! ❤
@alfredojr20623 ай бұрын
When you fast do you take any Celtic sea salt ? Or any electrolytes ?
@Starchaser63 Жыл бұрын
Fasting has become a way of life after discovering its incredible cleansing and rejuvenation effects. Fasting around 16 hours per day and typically one day a week of general eating .fasting is a self healing and cleansing mechanism. Fasting sets us free from the prison of gluttony and sickness 😊
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
Yes! So glad you discovered this 😊
@infinightsky Жыл бұрын
Me too!!!! It’s like a miracle
@dennise8778 Жыл бұрын
You are so correct!💯
@maxcalifornia9411 ай бұрын
Very, very great words. I’m 28 and I’m researching a ton of ways to be different and be better. I want to start now so it’ll help me in the long run! Fasting is essential to our bodies.
@Starchaser6311 ай бұрын
@@maxcalifornia94 without fasting we accumulate junk in our trillions of cells, this adds to premature ageing and diseases...fasting however is the body's natural cleansing of every cell in the body at a Cellular level which means optimum health with optimum energy...we are designed to fast . " It is unnatural to be unwell " focusing on optimum essential amino acids from sufficient protein and fats makes fasting more successful 💪
@babysharkdodododododo7600 Жыл бұрын
I’ve started using water fasting to treat my cancer.. so far so good…..❤❤❤
@dennise8778 Жыл бұрын
Wow! So nice to hear! I pray & declare that it shall only get better in Jesus name. Amen!🙏
@ThruthHarsh11 ай бұрын
Wow good luck. I hope you beat the cancer. Let us know how it worked out for you, because they say that fasting and avoiding sugar eliminates cancer. Soursop is also good against cancer. ❤
@ShiningBright77710 ай бұрын
babysharkdodosodododo7600, I plead the Blood of Jesus over your life and health! May you love and not die in Jesus name! No weapon formed against you shall prosper!
@omrkarem114010 ай бұрын
شفاك الله
@d.e.t4147 Жыл бұрын
I removed all processed carbs and sugars and have been doing 36 hour fasts twice a week, and one 24 hour fast once a week for the past 7 weeks and have noticed my skin looks SO good! I started mainly to help revers the diabetes diagnosis I received in July. Along with my 47 year old face looking so much better I’ve also lost 23lbs and 2 inches off of my waist. Overall the benefits have been fantastic!
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
Fantastic results!! Bravo ❤️
@d.e.t4147 Жыл бұрын
@@KimFosterMD thank you.:)
@minksm3032 Жыл бұрын
Same!! Makes me feel so good
@jamesalles13911 ай бұрын
what R U doing? that isn't intermittent fasting, more like permanent fasting.
@allinworldwillfadeawaysome42459 ай бұрын
As someone who done intermittent fasting for almost 2-3 years since pandemic i can confirm that i feel like i stop getting older. i still look like I'm a teen in 20s, never get fat , look young than my younger siblings
@eyeshalfwayopeneyeshalfway26037 ай бұрын
How old are you and what is your fasting ratio? Congratulations too 🙂
@Kadibia-219 ай бұрын
Intermittent fasting has really changed my life,the way I eat and how I feel in general,I started a weight loss diet and it has really had a great impact on my relationship with food in a positive way❤
@wreloise111 ай бұрын
Nurse ,working 12 hours night-shift…I’ll do my Best Thank you for valuable information
@KimFosterMD11 ай бұрын
You can do it! ❤️
@thelastofthebrohicans Жыл бұрын
I literally have suffered from narcolepsy my whole life and sometimes watch my day fade as I’ve been in bed all day and struggle to get a workout in. Now I fast for most of the day or until I get my workouts and recreational hobbies out of the way. My energy levels are ridiculous it’s amazing.
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
Fantastic!! 😊
@The_coach333 Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you left the mainstream medicine
@joytulip222 күн бұрын
I started IF last year and gradually gave up sugar…still on the journey. Swapping out all the toxins from my self-care products w/Yuka app really helped, too. My shampoo, skin lotions, makeup, deodorants are all non-toxic…convinced this is VIP for detox, too. Thank you for sharing your knowledge & wisdom!
@maxcalifornia9411 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video!! We can all benefit from fasting and autophagy! I’m 28 and I am healthy and stay active but I want to be different, be better and do better for myself. Anybody else vegetarian and fast to reach autophagy?
@peternicholls65327 ай бұрын
I've been vegan (whole food plant based) since 2017 and currently doing the 16/8.. Have done it before and now want to try fasting for 1, 2, 3 days plus.. I'm looking to getting rid of or reducing inflammation in my lower back ( an old injury, having had 3 cortisone injections in my lower spine ) which can restrict me from working out at times ( I've been keeping fit since age 16 but age and injury can slow you down some) , although I can go for absolute miles on my mountain bike 30/50 and 70 + mile rides when my fitness is at it's peak was never a problem. So I'm intrigued by the Autophagy side of fasting :) I'm coming up to my 63rd birthday 22/ 01/ 24 :)
@StuartConsulting11 ай бұрын
All works for me, a suggestion to promote, I eat 1 meal a day, most would think this as some sort of self inflicted punishment. NO. Unless you are a growing child, or an elite athlete, we need to debunk this belief you need 3 meals a day. It takes some 2 weeks for your body to adjust, but after that, you never feel hungry on 1 meal a day. Unless you eat added sugar / too many carbohydrates, that will keep you hungry.
@heavensea14110 ай бұрын
Fasting and getting huge bulking gains no problem to mix.
@payelpaul39567 күн бұрын
What exactly does your meal contains?
@RT-wq8bd10 ай бұрын
I just found your video and look forward to learning more. Autophagy is new to me but I've actually done it off and on for years. Who knew?
@PatriciaEstelles19 күн бұрын
I was under the impression that autophagy wasn’t triggered until you’ve been fasting for longer periods of time. 20 hours or more am I not correct you make it sound like fasting 16 hours will start autophagy. I will do more research on this but thank you for this video. It helped a lot.
@heavensea14110 ай бұрын
The health benefits from fasting are so powerfull that even if bulking is you're goals you're smart to include fasting in you're lifestyle. Do not fast post workout meals or the day after weight lifting exercise! Start you're fast minimum 48 hours after end weights lifting exercise. You don't lose muscle mass from 48-72 fast. Drink plenty of water with Himalayan salt added ' Takes Magnesium too ' Black coffe do not breake you're fast and its awesome to remove the hunger feeling. Who do not wants you're overal health to be awesome.
@qianajohnson9108 Жыл бұрын
Great episode I'm going to start intermittent fasting Monday for 6 weeks. 🎉
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
Wonderful! Let me know how it goes!
@vaughangreen98163 ай бұрын
Brilliant information everything right about autopsy fasting but if you really want it to work you’ve got to cut all sugars and carbs and do the carnivore diet. ❤
@bunnyhollowcrafts3 ай бұрын
How do you keep this going when you're invited out to dinner a couple times a week. It never falls in my eating window. Really appreciate your videos!
@mwilcox47912 ай бұрын
Move your window to make it work for you
@WolverineIncognito4 ай бұрын
You have a great voice for ASMR! Have you considered doing an ASMR video?
@FattyDaddyReviews8 ай бұрын
Great video & explanation. So far I have only managed OMAD a few times & 16/8 more often but not every day. I am aiming to do a 72 hour fast but might try 48 hours first.
@goingaboutmyfathersbusines43596 ай бұрын
YESSSS...work ur way up to the 72 hour fast..
@FattyDaddyReviews6 ай бұрын
@@goingaboutmyfathersbusines4359 I managed 40 hours but started getting quite angry at everything so brought the fat. I'll try again!
@pato72749 ай бұрын
Nobel Assembly logo 2016-10-03 The Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet has today decided to award the 2016 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine to Yoshinori Ohsumi for his discoveries of mechanisms for autophagy
@the_omarlopez12719 ай бұрын
I do intermittent fasting since March of 2023. And I’m the middle of a 72 hour fast right now! Currently on hour 38. Half way there! Only water and black coffee
@Melanie-le6mw11 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for sharing! I’ve been little by little joining the IF game! I like how I feel when I do it! ☺️
@sheilamckie8106 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing I love what fasting can do for us 😊
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
You are so welcome
@ieiemuchtar497010 ай бұрын
The most beautiful doctor l have ever seen...Thanks ❤
@stephenmorgan86378 ай бұрын
Yes, I have heard.I am experiecing a bit of a respiratory infection. Going to use it as the an excuse to curtail my eating for a few days.
@EzabelNabuyena4 ай бұрын
Thanks I've started today
@gyanibastola67299 ай бұрын
Very useful information 👌. Thanks for sharing your thoughts ❤
@user-pu8rv7jd9i9 ай бұрын
Great information, thanks for sharing
@karenbaird740210 ай бұрын
Only studied in mice I wish this was true How do the major organs use and function during this process and prove it
@megabaneen80578 ай бұрын
WE NEED MORE OF U.. THANKS FOR SHARING -- SHARING IS CARING
@KimFosterMD8 ай бұрын
So nice of you
@RelaxingMoods9 ай бұрын
Very helpful video & great explanation. Thank you.
@tamarawilliams89239 ай бұрын
I started today
@omrkarem114010 ай бұрын
هل الصيان المتقطع يعالج تضخم البروستاتا الشيخوخةي الحميد ؟ برجاء الافادة
@Scalar1212 Жыл бұрын
Very informative surely I am going to start practicing it
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
Great! Let me know how it goes!
@lyudvigfeyerbax86594 ай бұрын
Your voice is amazing❤
@ej6981 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I just started.
@anastasiamathura54017 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this information
@mochudimosarwa39676 ай бұрын
Hello, I wish I saw this video longtime ago. I would be as young as you are. My question. "is it late to start at over sixty and what are the precautions?" I am taking diabetic and hypertension medication.
@basicprogrammer61474 ай бұрын
Why is it taking me so long to go into ketosis/autophagy? Tomorrow begins day 3 of my fast. Should I be more patient?
@bandanatamang1886 Жыл бұрын
Nope never heard of it but now I know thanks 😊
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
Glad to help! ☺️
@epitaciolabitoria27445 ай бұрын
God bless.listening from the phillippines
@mendeagle55510 ай бұрын
Do I need to do 16/8 every day or can i do it weekdays and eat regularly on weekends?
@LetsBeHealthy_ Жыл бұрын
@kimforstermd an interesting and informative video. loved it.
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
So glad!
@tommybeaumont282710 ай бұрын
Good stuff!
@KimFosterMD10 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@user-sm5lc7xh8q5 ай бұрын
Kimberly what are you thoughts on the new study published 3 days ago that it’s very bad for our health?
@oldfilms70179 ай бұрын
Very well said
@user-op4rv3zj4c11 ай бұрын
Is the 36 hours fast food for skinny and healthy people like myself or is it just for those who want to lose weight? I did dry fast for a day and I was fine.
@andicecook6 ай бұрын
I keep thinking you're the actress from the show Scrubs 😊
@WifredoJrGolez10 ай бұрын
hello ..i have been searching vids that would explain when and how autophagy kicks in until i stumbled your channel.... i would like to ask if autophagy will still kick in even if you take acv on a fasted state?
@EdelweisSusie Жыл бұрын
HELP! Did a 5-day water-only fast (to cleanse my system) and then doing 20:4 OMAD since January 2023 - NOT AN OUNCE of weight lost!!! I feel great, sleep better because my gut isn't aching all night, more energy but no weight lost. Any hints as to why not? I haven't cheated once, don't drink or smoke and just drink water. Totally baffled.
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry you've had this frustration! Have you watched this other video of mine about the top mistakes people make without realizing it? Possibly there's an answer in here for you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/il6laqKtqsp9oKc
@jayanthaherath8168 Жыл бұрын
🙏
@morrellcap6189 Жыл бұрын
eat less.
@trueseeker262 Жыл бұрын
Carbs! You need to cut carbs.
@dexterchai5506 ай бұрын
Whats your diet like? Do some research on keto diet with intermittent fasting
@slumpkin110 ай бұрын
Doing HIIT training when you have high BP? Your opinion please.
@jimjaeger8968 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. You're looking good too. You obviously practice your own science. Now if I can just actually do it. Then there's the kids. Try to convince them to live healthy.
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Yep, I do practice what I preach. ❤
@anthonypeirce58755 ай бұрын
i never fast and never will, feed your muscle work your muscle dont lose it keep active balance your food
@veremati3616 Жыл бұрын
I thought autophagy starts around 17 hours of fasting I didnt know that by doing 16/8 can get u into autophagy,there must be new studies out the😊
@terrymokihana1421 Жыл бұрын
min 24 hours.
@Vincent-qh7zz10 ай бұрын
I never before heard autophagy in less than 18 hours. I doubt her opinion.
@profoundmoksha212610 ай бұрын
@@Vincent-qh7zz it does occur bro, i had heared,watched, read at many places , autophagy occurs with exercises and mild stress of intermittent fasting whenever u are at calorie deficiet state for a extended period 12 or 16 hours it start to happen thats why thoso who practice intermittent or skip meal prevent better many diseases, it occurs more with 24 or 48 houts fasting but that cannot be dailly practice thats why 16:8 intermittent fasting is beneficial.
@umatiwari3088 күн бұрын
No , depending on how much you ate in your last meal if you eat two chapatees and maximum 2cup of vegetables at 2pm autophagy will start 😊
@anthonycosentino4634 ай бұрын
I really don't think a 16 hour fast induces autophagy. I've heard at least 18 to 24 hours.
@emranhossain8933 ай бұрын
I also think it requires more time. I do 1 meal a day.
@WajidAli-qy2tc Жыл бұрын
Kim foster ❤
@howierobbery Жыл бұрын
is it ok to eat fruits with my meats?
@joebray82763 ай бұрын
very helpful
@atlas1089 ай бұрын
Can autophagy address coronary calcium buildup if done properly?
@franklinsiao78635 ай бұрын
is this helpful if one is working out? like lifting weights
@Gene-kl1br6 ай бұрын
Powerful tool . I've done well ! +
@Nicole12445 Жыл бұрын
Can autograph remove clear out STDs and any kind of virus and how long should we fast! To build autograph
@raymonddesmond88699 ай бұрын
Is there any research report’s available on Autophage?
@StarScorpio19 ай бұрын
Amazing
@ShingInAction6 ай бұрын
You look so young and healthy.
@philhewetson Жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏. Great content Dr Kim! How long into a fast on average does it take to get into Autophagy?
@andreia9312 Жыл бұрын
Another doctor on KZbin said 36 hours
@terrymokihana1421 Жыл бұрын
Studies involving animals suggest that autophagy may begin between 24 to 48 hours of fasting. Not enough research has been collected on the ideal timing to trigger human autophagy.
@gertrudepilihop39159 ай бұрын
Dr Mindy Peltz At 15 hours, we see growth hormone go up. Growth hormone is the hormone that keeps you young and helps you burn fat.” 4-8 HOURS • Blood sugars fall • All food has left the stomach • Insulin is no longer produced 12 HOURS • Food consumed has been burned • Digestive system goes to sleep • Body begins healing process • Human Growth Hormone begins to increase • Glucagon is relaxed to balance blood sugars 14 HOURS • Body has converted to using stored fat as energy • Human Growth Hormone starts to increase dramatically 16 HOURS • Body starts to ramp up the fat burning 18 HOURS • Human Growth Hormone starts to skyrocket 24 HOURS • Autophagy begins • Drains all glycogen stores • Ketones are released into the blood stream 36 HOURS • Autophagy 300% increase 48 HOURS • Autophagy increases 30% more • Immune system reset, regeneration • Increased reduction in inflammation response 72 HOURS • Autophagy maxes out 🥰🥰🥰
@eyeshalfwayopeneyeshalfway26037 ай бұрын
Actually I have read and just done myself ( I’m off today tho til tomorrow now) 3 days of 16 hours dry fast which speeds up autophagy process as it cleared up my brain fog a bit on day three ( yesterday) and today I feel a lot of energy and much better brain function even not dry fasting today. I had a drastic decrease of rheumatoid arthritis pain and inflammation. I have beginnings of crepey skin smooth out too on legs and arms just in those days!! I’m excited now actually and didn’t really enjoy my coffee today I allowed myself… id say results!
@trishamorgan410 ай бұрын
I was real disciplined for 5 weeks. I fasted one 24 hour every 7 days. But then I stopped. My question is how do you stay motivated long term?
@heavensea1419 ай бұрын
Takes a break sometimes. Consistency is the key to everything
@elizabethnegrete93258 ай бұрын
Im new to autofaghy. I have seen videos several videos about it but no one talks about what to drink when fasting. Is it tea or water or coffee. And what to eat when breaking fasting. I want to start but im confused.
@KimFosterMD7 ай бұрын
I have another video on my channel all about coffee -- check that out!
@Arun-eo2tg11 ай бұрын
Hello Dr. KIM, I am from india and suffering from ASHY DERMATOSIS for 8 years. I tried all medication and recommended tropical cream but no result. Pls suggest how to cure 🙏 🙏
@josephwanjiku685311 ай бұрын
Strictly Carnivore way of life and IF
@Arun-eo2tg11 ай бұрын
@josephwanjiku6853 I am a pescatarian
@RC-qf3mp5 ай бұрын
At 4:25 and 2:47 you misspell “rejuvenation”.
@afuhrita517419 күн бұрын
Tsuips
@FatherGorgony11 ай бұрын
Not live, but love.
@maureenbennett80922 күн бұрын
Great!😁💖
@slumpkin110 ай бұрын
Interesting!
@Drowbackmountain2 ай бұрын
I can fast for u rest of my life. Eat my food and enjoy❤
@saras969611 ай бұрын
Thanks
@KimFosterMD11 ай бұрын
You're welcome!
@davidthomas9673 ай бұрын
Why do you need to consume carbs when your liver will make its own carbs
@jeetkumarlohar55905 ай бұрын
i loved your aura sister
@wendyluckie45379 ай бұрын
Sounds promising
@rekha44779 ай бұрын
Can I drink water during fasting? Does it stop autophagy?
@heavensea1419 ай бұрын
No
@nataliaprieto67237 ай бұрын
Definitely YES.
@nataliaprieto67237 ай бұрын
Drink water
@benedictaowusu9602 Жыл бұрын
How many hours of fasting is ideal for women ??
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
This is a great question, and the issues are somewhat complex -- which is why I'm working on a video right now to address these issues. Stay tuned!
@teguh699510 ай бұрын
please Let me know the name of food 8:20
@christinea.5408Ай бұрын
Tempeh (Fermented soybean)
@dblacktenn2 ай бұрын
Reduce??? You mean eliminate sugars and refined foods. 🙂
@manleeng8590 Жыл бұрын
Hi can you tell me if taking cod liver oil or fish oil ( omega 3 ) in my 16 hrs of fast does break it? As I stop eating at 8 and starts eating at noon for my 16/8 IF but l am not sure that l am doing good as l take my omega 3 in the morning at 9 a.m.I am worried about doing it bad and am breaking my 16/8. Please help me and thank you for all you videos so easy to understand and well explained
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you're enjoying my videos! With your question about cod liver oil/omega-3, there are conflicting opinions on this, but my opinion is that this likely won't break your fast, as it's pure fat in a miniscule amount, and so is unlikely to increase your blood sugar and create an insulin response. Hope that helps!
@manleeng8590 Жыл бұрын
@@KimFosterMD Thank you for much for your reply.I greatly appreciate that you take a time to read and reply. My first connection with IF was a video with Dr Eric Berg so I started doing my fast but we have many doubts and questions so in his vlog I ask my questions but I never received any answer and l was very disappointed by him. So your reply touches a lot thanks again
@wheelofcheese100 Жыл бұрын
@@KimFosterMD Agreed. I’ve been listening to Ben bikman and he always mentions fat (small amount whatever that means 😂) as not being something that raises insulin 😊.
@wheelofcheese100 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like me. I take cod liver oil in the morning while “fasting”.
@manleeng8590 Жыл бұрын
@@wheelofcheese100 thanks for your reply . So kind of you
@user-ti5hp4oo3x Жыл бұрын
What have you heard about toothpaste and mouthwash while you're fasting I heard if you swallow toothpick or mouthwash even a little bit it breaks your fast
@KimFosterMD Жыл бұрын
My opinion is that unless you're swallowing the toothpaste, brushing your teeth shouldn't break your fast. 😊
@wmp33465 ай бұрын
Fast and exercise when fasting. Best way to stay healthy and it’s free
@tedkirk775511 ай бұрын
How could you have been a doctor for 20 years when you look like you're 30?
@KimFosterMD11 ай бұрын
Aw thanks for the lovely compliment ☺
@samuelcrees Жыл бұрын
lets see; MD 8 yrs. college, then 20 yrs, of practice.... so you do not look 46+......???
@glennbellamy700411 ай бұрын
How often do you fast ? Judging how young you look you must have been fasting for years ? unless you the qualified as a doctor at kindergarten..
@thestrategist556110 ай бұрын
A 93-hour long fasting is optimal for autophagy and normal life.
@thestrategist556110 ай бұрын
My PSA came down from borderline for 20 years to mid normal after 4 times of long fasting.
@stephanieazzopardi95703 ай бұрын
Does autophagy help us to take out those damn covid jabs we took? My father passed away with those jabs
@havvayalin459111 ай бұрын
What is autophagy?
@WajidAli-qy2tc Жыл бұрын
Wow wow wow U superb
@dondiesel11004 ай бұрын
Sorry but she was my doctor, I would then go regularly ❤
@Straingelove7 ай бұрын
I heard autophagy happens after 25h
@jbug88411 ай бұрын
What, my phone has built in podcasts!? Where? 😂
@sskprl4 ай бұрын
🎉
@lazyhunk25 ай бұрын
American heart association is saying that intermittent fasting increases risk of cardiovascular diseases by 91%.
@taylorkiwis53324 ай бұрын
The American Heart Association is full of it. The study you refer to has not been published, nor peer reviewed. If you follow a good, healthy diet, your heart will be just fine. If you think about it logically, eating breakfast at 9am is not going to lead to a heart attack. Unless you're eating a dozen donuts every morning, of course.
@harrycallahan68611 ай бұрын
Number 5 is my number 1. Remove man made processed poison permanently. Sugar, Fructose, white flower, carb overload, low fat poison, anything with a complex label and multiple daily insulin spikes is your killer. When you abuse/overwork your pancreas for decades expect dark Adaptations. The good news these Adaptations are reversible. The bad news? We're loaded with food Junkies, no proof of recovery is possible for some.