Helldivers 2 Killzone DLC Receives Backlash From Greg Miller - Kinda Funny Games Daily 12.18.24

[@MrDrasen23]

Paying for super credits is an option to shortcut the grind. It is not necessary. EVERYTHING IN HELLDIVER'S CAN BE EARNED!

[@pargatsinghlives]

And unlike warzone you're not limited to a set number of free credits per season.

[@alexlyster3459]

Can it be earned at a rate where you can actually get it all?

[@CoNiCuZn]

@@alexlyster3459yes absolutely. It will take you a lot of time but it’s possible.

[@breadboi8747]

Yea, after dozens or hundreds of hours of grinding. The majority of us don’t have time for that so essentially most of the games new content is locked behind a 10 dollar monthly subscription. It sucks

[@MrDrasen23]

@@alexlyster3459 If you currently have zero super credits (unlikely considering you extract them in every mission) than no, you won't be able to earn them in the next 5 days. However the store frequently rotates, and devs have confirmed these new items will be added into the rotation. Meaning they will rotate back into the store fairly often.

[@jdball87]

I have no problem with the killzone pricing. I bought the game for 40 bucks. They just added a whole bunch of free content with the illuminate. Dev time had to go into this stuff. They gotta pay people and keep the lights on. They gotta pay all these people working on the game somehow.

[@Oruninn]

I’m glad Mike called out that shit message saying he’s not the one to ask..are you kidding he is king of this shit lol

[@DSep3up]

Shoutout to banana concept art

[@spencerblack9467]

snow bike mike is locked in.

[@SuperBaldilox]

He's the fuckin' man.

[@2street0]

CJ Splitzon brought up a good point that I know they mentioned but they didn't dig into enough. Arrowhead has provided so much content for FREE. Mechs, Trucks, New Race, Planets + you can earn Super Credits in game. Would we rather them charge for those things or charge for the occasional crossover even item? I feel like we are holding different devs to different standards - this is not that big of a deal. I understand if you dont want to buy it or don't like the price, but don't act like this is any different from a 30 dollar Snoop Dogg pack in Fortnite

[@MRayGames]

If any player has such bad fomo that they feel obligated to spend £10 on a skin, that's their own problem they need to deal with. As long as actual content is free at point of entry there's no issue. Hasn't Andy spent upwards of $70 on single valorant skins? That's egregious, but still a choice

[@breadboi8747]

It’s a live service game. That free content is expected otherwise the game would die. They also lock a lot of that content behind the monthly carbons which rubs me the wrong way

[@Alex_Logan22]

I rather the merits of a game’s longevity be determined by the success of DLC/season passes than monetization schemes to be fair.

[@siddharthshishulkar8992]

But Fortnite is free. This argument is nonsensical

[@MRayGames]

@siddharthshishulkar8992 I dont think anyone is arguing that fortnite shouldn't have mtx. Its the price of those mtx that can take the piss. 10 for a battlepass is cool, and you have all this stuff to earn throughout. But 30 for a small handful of cosmetics? The math is way off, its an egregious amount of money for something like that

[@job8021]

Tim is very much underestimating how popular college football is, which isn't shocking since the west coast isn't the hotbed it always was, so it likely isn't getting as much hype. But it selling this well doesnt shock me, it is huge

[@blairsnyder1067]

“Pro- consumer” is the biggest lie that any company or business has ever said

[@Deloreon]

"pro-consumer" is how we get phrases like "enjoy access to merchandise" 🙄

[@jacobjusino1997]

Secret level should an Alan Wake episode, imagine it starting with the Night Springs intro, and it's Alan writing a secret level episode to escape

[@johncampbell2123]

I have to be honest, I can’t imagine living a life where I care enough about killzone to spend that much money. If you find yourself caring about killzone that much, just spend the money. It’s not like you’re gonna have a full price killzone game to buy anytime soon

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

I actually think it is a shame that we aren’t getting a new Killzone. I would rather have one than Horizon 3. Killzone 2 is one of my favourite PS3 games.

[@Dan-hz4vf]

$20 is a lot for what it is, as mike said, but in my life? $20 is pennies in 2024.

[@TheBadboubou]

man that helmet is the perfect fit for my armor...

[@Alex_Logan22]

That’s what they were banking on lol.

[@-TyTy]

Sorry but it's worth it. The Helghast will rise again.

[@Alex_Logan22]

Are all the VO’s the same? It’d be weird playing as Helghasts preaching democracy.

[@Isosyth]

@@Alex_Logan22 Yeah it'd be way less weird to have an entire different games characters in the game.

[@Alex_Logan22]

@Isosyth They should've had their own mission/content than cosmetics.

[@Pokedude97]

I just paid $20 for a ripped Santa with abs in Black Ops 6 so I’m fine with this.

[@crosvale]

Rockstar should hire Mike for pedestrian VA.

[@wilkinstothemoon]

Pertaining to the Helldivers microtransactions costs. I play Destiny 2, a full price game, and they have similar crossover events with overpriced microtransactions for armor, weapon skins, ships...you name it. If you try to equate the value to the cost of a season-pass it never adds up.

[@HappyCorporation]

It’s not the fact that it costs money that’s the issue, It’s that it goes away after 5 days, leaving you no time to even grind for it…right?

[@cooperm211]

Mike's teaching a Master Class at the 16 minute mark. Wild that someone in the chat thought he's the wrong person to ask - I'd pay him as a consultant for exactly this expertise.

[@TheDarman]

If it was a clone trooper skin, I would buy it instantly.

[@elcapitan2293]

The problem with the warbond is, I've only paid for two war bonds out of pocket so far. Finding them in the world and unlocking credits in warbonds makes it easier to not have to pay for them a ton out of pocket. also anyone who's played the Illuminate missions, knows theyve increased the supercedits in their missions.

[@sgt_hobbes]

$20 skin is bull shit when you can get 3 skins for $10 in a war bond. At most all of the kill zone stuff should have been a $10 war bond. Kill zone is first party i doubt Sony charged arrow head to use it

[@TheBadboubou]

skin isnt at 20$

[@Alex_Logan22]

Sony likely mandated it lol

[@Isosyth]

@@Alex_Logan22 Arrowhead themselves have said it wasn't Sony.

[@brandonwaltersvc]

Mike really is the Glue though... love mikey

[@reservoirdog3168]

I’ll never understand why anyone ever buys a microtransaction. Even DLC is rarely actually as high quality as the stuff in the real games. Outside of extremely rare examples, if it’s optional then I’ll never buy it. Even DLC in a GOTY edition is usually noticeable when you stumble across it since it feels less refined than the rest of the game. I’ve seriously bought less than 20 pieces of add on content since DLC became the norm.

[@calebbonebrake6486]

Tim is a sweet summer child that hasn't immersed himself in live-service games. Look at rocket league!!! Black market goal explosions are over 20 bucks!!! That's nuts 😂. I agree that these prices are egregious and I don't personally buy these things cuz it just makes me feel shitty, but I've seen much, much worse prices than this

[@blairsnyder1067]

Nah if they did College basketball Mens and Women’s it will sell like crazy.

[@Dan-hz4vf]

Mike nailed this, its been almost a year and everything is attainable for free (essentially) they need to keep the lights on guys. To Tim's point about the price and not buying it, if you don't buy it they will reduce the price. You're not mad at corpo's or studios you're mad at the general public.

[@Alex_Logan22]

Yea the prices are determined by the market at the end of the day, we’ve seen them adjust up and down all the time. Companies still hold the most accountability and need to be called out, but the market shouldn’t ever be ignored in the conversation cause consumers collectively control how far it goes.

[@agutierrez20]

Mike telling it like it is, gotta love the guy.

[@PartTimeTriathlete]

Don’t see a problem at all with the Hell Divers skins, I know it’s technically free to play but I’ve spent £10 on every season pass on marvel snap for a year, I still have single cards or variants come up in the shop for £49 or £99, they are not worth that to me so I just don’t buy them but if someone does want to and he help the game keep going that’s all good with me

[@superbit415]

HellDivers is not free to play.

[@Drelochz]

I think he meant for the "passes"

[@superbit415]

@@Drelochz The warbonds ? Those aren't free either. You get 1 free one but the rest all cost money.

[@nickthemage2052]

@@superbit415they said Marvel Snap was free to play not Helldivers. The comma started a new subject.

[@breadboi8747]

@@superbit415and they come out once a month. You’re essentially subscribing to a 10 dollar monthly subscription if you want have access to all the gameplay elements. That or play hundreds of hours just to have enough super credits

[@normancrane5845]

SALT LAKE CITY LFG! hope the smog isn't too bad, and if you're not going to park city at all that's a mistake. SNOW BIKE MIKE WE LOVE YOU

[@dylanbuc1867]

SBM if you ever make it back to SLC you have to ride Brighton--some of the best runs and THE best snow up there

[@Alex_Logan22]

Just so Tim understands, there’s been $70 games doing this for years, $60 games before next gen. MK1 is currently very schematic/scummy with this stuff with $10 skins rotating weekly, even Tekken sells $4 skins which is at least more reasonable. MK1 and a lot of these games already had season passes to pay for ongoing development as well, people don’t realize how giving games like Avengers was in comparison. Monetization and engagement schemes in general has been a growing issue and the worst one of this generation, not silly wokeism.

[@MRayGames]

@Alex_Logan22 I dont think tims point was about them existing, obviously he knows that, and has seen plenty in the games he does play. But he didn't know fortnite had £30 skin packs, or valorant sold single gun skins for £70. Those are absolutely insane prices nobody should be ok with. Hd2 cost £40, and this small handful of kill zone cosmetics on offer and coming soon will add up to the same amount of money. The value doesn't make sense

[@Alex_Logan22]

@MRayGames I was talking about insane prices, yes.

[@blairsnyder1067]

Star citizen would like a word…

[@brycebarbee378]

Salt Lake City local and life time skier here, inviting Mike to come shred anytime. Also glad your visiting Tim word of the wise avoid the resorts on weekends if you can it’s a shit show.

[@gunseed]

League of Legend skin cost more then this lol people find anything they can think of to cry about, and this is a collab between 2 game/studios, this is premium stuff so it should cost at a premium!

[@LuisCastillo-tg6xw]

You can just not buy the mtx... Also, banana concept art is the best

[@MrEnyaws07]

Tim's gotta hold this same energy for every other game.. There are so many more egregious examples of scummy mtx's,, even games that get sponsorships on this channel. He never threw this much of a fuss over this before

[@MentalJr_]

Tim's eyeballs are so nice tho

[@EveryTimeIDavid]

I feel like Helldivers 2 being in the media every release for how mad the community is at the release is wild. Like either community needs to chill, or they are very off with their policies.

[@Yoteeeeej]

Where is Titanfall 3 indeed

[@jjjpppmmm111]

Overwatch 2 and valorant have cosmetics that go for $50-$100. I think the prices are more than fair. It's 12 bucks for some cosmetics we've seen worse. I don't love that it's a limited time unless it comes back around. Fomo is really annoying to pray on.

[@mercthejerk8945]

the pricing is fine for me as long as its only crossover stuff

[@scoopball4203]

They focus on the price of a costume item but negate to mention how the story content and the actual stuff that matters is 🆓. Why is this a problem. They have to profit somewhere to keep the game going

[@thatseasyforyoutosay]

Mike is spot on talking about prices for additional content . Tim however should be more knowledgeable about this stuff being in the games industry

[@Alex_Logan22]

What’s really crazy about this HellDivers news is how it dropped a day after Secret Level’s PlayStation episode painted the brand as a savior of sorts from the monotony/grind of service games, with the HellDivers themselves featured most prominently in the episode lol.

[@HAL1138]

I don’t love the prices but other games are far far far worse. Plus don’t forget the currency is easily earned in game. In a perfect world it would be better priced but I can’t pretend they have gone crazy when you look at other games selling hundreds of dollars worth of crap daily.

[@xbree_]

Totally agree with Mike on this one.

[@Stapleman77]

For NCAA you could undle with Madden for like $100ish

[@jlstruyde]

Diablo is ugly with mtx... at least helldivers 2 you can earn the supercredits...

[@MTMuppet]

You can but they’re limited time, which increases pressure into buying micro-transactions. FOMO is awful.

[@breadboi8747]

At least Diablo mtx are cosmetic

[@justschwab]

How so? Diablo 4’s mtx are on a completely separate and optional tab, and are all 100% cosmetic. Zero gameplay altering mtx.

[@mxmastermitch]

Mike is on point with the micro transactions debate.

[@gariantroll2975]

This is not bad. Also consider that servers are expensive. Great game and I think this would help the developers.

[@lozerisdead999]

Diablo. Destiny 2. Apex. CoD. Battlefield. Fortnite. And the beloved of greg miller, Assassins creed odyssey and Valhalla ALL, had egregiously priced skins, crossovers, and for the latter, gameplay accelerators, DLC amidst so much more within a single player experience. Greg Miller never once took the time to tweet something out about them. Yet here we are. Feels very disingenuous and inflammatory for the sake of getting on a game that is all to quickly thrown to the fires. They’re a Live service game. You can earn all the MTX currency in game at a relatively reasonable rate. They’re extending the time this skin is in the store given it costs more. Why are we flaming arrowhead for this. They’re more deserved of a couple bucks thrown their way compared to damn near any other game out there right now. Greg honestly deserves to take some flak for this and should come back on it lest his ego real begin to shine through. You can’t critique HD2 while turn a blind eye to all the games he loves that have egregious MTX.

[@bartendingbilly]

Couldn't agree with you more. Love and respect Greg and the rest, but all of their ratings on DA:V almost cost me $60. Everything Mike said, I also 100% agree with though. I believe he hit the nail on the head here. I've never had to buy a warbond with real money, and have most. This stuff is optional, and honestly none of it is OP like people are saying.

[@Alex_Logan22]

I don’t think Greg was complaining as much as he was pointing out the strange pivot. With the games you mentioned, they were scummy off the bat.

[@millennialnerds2106]

Please keep the same energy for everything else. Like I get it but I don’t.

[@HAL1138]

Guys! You can earn the credits in game!!! Don’t forget that isn’t possible in any of the games you compare to.

[@penckok1832]

out here spreading misinformation about GGG and Path of Exile MTX. classic.

[@fragr33f74]

My thing with Helldivers is that you can earn supercedits in-game to purchase these things, right? Honestly, I feel like that was a mistake from the devs to do so, and while I don't support egregious monetisation, we gamers have to understand creating post-launch content has to be paid for in some way. I do hope PlayStation and Arrowhead do reduce the prices of these MTX products to a reasonable point, though. It always seems a little weird to me how much shit Arrowhead gets when devs like Rockstar, Acti Blizzard, Epic, Riot, EA, and others are much worse.

[@breadboi8747]

I have not seen arrowhead get shot for their mtxs until now. I’m just happy it’s finally happening cause them locking away gameplay elements like OP weapons, OP strategems and armor with OP mods is super scummy. Idc if it’s pve game, people that just want to play the game casually and not spend 10 dollars every single month are going to be playing a gimped experience because of all these locked away elements. Would be nice if they made the mtxs purely cosmetic but since they’re not going to do that, they should at least make the warbonds 5 dollars instead of 10.

[@MatthewSchellGaming]

LoL put out a $500 skin. For me it's whatever as long as it's cosmetic.

[@SirDrJM-]

Give me a Bloodborne episode of secret level

[@David-uc6sg]

It's cosmetics. The gun isn't pay to win. The article literally said it was a weaker gun. Just skip it if you don't want to spend money. Gamers have gotten to the point where they want everything for free and cry when they dont get it. 🤦‍♂️

[@VirtuousContract]

I buy skins for like 4 games are ppl really still complaining for $20 skins ?

[@millennialnerds2106]

I feel like anything Sony is just shit on by everyone. Like they aren’t supposed to make money lol. Anytime Sony has an exclusive they are the bad guy now. I don’t get it.

[@kakun723]

They are behind it simply it. They have noticed after the xbox cod thing. That one their way of gaming is an acient thing.. seriously the exclusive thing isnt gonna help them in the long run.. unless they do more astro bot.. all the cinematic games arent helping them and people arent into the idea of spending money on games like before because this generation devs have all proved to be untrustworthy. 2nd sony has absolutely no clue how to make live service game.. if not for halo micrsoft would be like sony, they would have invested in shit like concord but since mircosoft has more experince with online services they saw cod as a cash cow it is.. smart move for them but it cost them their console sales but bussiness wise they got it on the money cus their revenues are up. Sony needs to offset cost for their single player and are busy scrambling and making the same terrible live service moves that other publisher have already made. For me personal i have moved to pc but i do believe ps fans dont see how sony is in a bad spot.. with less and less aaa publishers.. they would soon need to rely on their own ip.. so they would need to make exclusive fps shooter than can help keep the social aspect of their console going. I think the hate towards sony is more fustration as they for all their great games cant seem to get how to make/maintain a sucessful multiplayer live service game.

[@millennialnerds2106]

@ all the cinematic games aren’t helping? Ragnarok sold 15 million as of 2023. How is that not enough for you all lol I mean Sony has destiny now as well. And you can’t say they don’t know how to make a live service game work because they put out a new version of the show each year. Helldivers 2 is a huge success but they get shit on for doing the exact same things others do. I don’t think you know what you are talking about. You are legit spewing things you read off Reddit and are trying to regurgitate them as fact.

[@joeheb]

W take Mike, around 18:00

[@mxmastermitch]

Agree! The man gets it.

[@FlipTheUsbTwice]

We all know why they do it. It's not some great big secret.

[@goodwolf152]

Burnt. Orange.

[@sithhunter965]

None of those other game give you free credits in game. Most players on hell divers have never spent a single $ on warbonds because they get thousands of credits for free so easily. They literally farm 10s of thousands of credits and don't pay a single cent. This is also a collaboration, so they need to pay some of that money to another company. It's not pay to win because it's not a PvP game. And these weapons and skins won't help you win anymore than other weapons or skins. Gamers r just big cry babies and want everything for free.

[@GodOfATL]

lol they need tl take a look at 2k

[@davismartin4348]

mike's analysis was v. Poor of the helldivers microtransactions. Of course its a competitive game, in many ways

[@Wavinglighter]

Mike really shilling for extortion

[@MrDrasen23]

It is not pay to win, when it can be purchased FOR FREE!!! People love to complain

[@killerhammy2279]

How is it pay to win.. in pve!!!

[@nickm413]

Can someone explain to Tim that 20$ and not 40$. He's raging thinking the kill zone stuff is 40$

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

Still better than Marvel Rivals where along with buying the season pass you have to either become an expert with every single character, play 3 million hours, or pay insane amounts of money if you want even half the costumes.

[@Billythepizza]

Hell, diverse two has updated and paid more attention to a game over the last nine months than many developers have during the years of production, I agree with Mike, but with the wallet if this is a problem as a fan of kill zone and more so I want to support the developers I bought this, but I also have been able to collect most of the money in super credits by finding them and playing the game continuously , sounds like people trying to get mad, but I understand this consider a president at the moment I have no for your from arrowhead and would like to support them and have more things to buy with the currency I gain playing

[@luciddre4m]

Arrowhead can't seem to stop stepping on rakes after doing something really cool. This has been a roller coaster of a live service game to be involved with when it comes to community response too. I think the main issue with the Killzone collab stems from the fact that the content originally leaked as part of a warbond, which is the normal release method of DLC. Parceling out pieces of the warbond for double (or quadruple due to the incoming drop in 5 days) the price is coming off as greedy and egregious. I think we are too far along for Arrowhead to change this, but hopefully the backlash will lead to them either reducing prices on the next collaboration or just releasing it as a warbond (as they should have here). No one would have said anything had they done that here.

[@waddon1]

It's extremely frustrating they've made an amazing and unique game. Yet they seem to compulsively shoot themselves in the foot. The mistakes they're making are also easily avoidable, by just not doing them. They're gradually losing their player base which they built on good will and fairness, by being better than other live services and they're just throwing dirt in player's faces again and again.

[@cubsfanbigmike31]

Helldivers 2- I've bought every store item and every warbond simply by playing the game. Yes, I have like 800 hours in the game... But the point is, you can earn plenty of in-game currency by playing

[@breadboi8747]

What about casual players? I guess they’re just gonna have a lesser experience because most of the new content is locked behind micro transactions? That’s real lame

[@sithhunter965]

Kinda funny are hypocrites on this topic. When they put Ghost busters content into any game. Greg miller runs to that game, (ones he's never played) buys the skins and then never touches the game again. Do they even mention the prices on new collab skins for games like fortnite, Cod or Destiny at any point during the year. NOPE. Tim ran to fortnite and got ninja turtles skins for a game he doesn't play and never will.

[@Alex_Logan22]

It’s moreso the pivot than the practice.

[@NateTheToast]

This is wild of you consider Overwatch, COD and wow - Marvel Rivals pricing. Not to mention that all the Warbonds are perpetual, and they give players free super credits in the game all the time.

[@ccan_max5285]

The Finals does it better and deserved more credit for it considering how fun the game is. You don’t have to spend any money in that game if you don’t wish to.

[@spencerblack9467]

tim just gets these weird opinions on things lol like hes so out of touch

[@kaetha1]

Sony is pimping this price they want their money ! Arrow head doing what they are told to do

[@breadboi8747]

Happy gamers are finally waking up to the levels of greed in helldivers

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

Nah, that cross-over argument is bs. If you have to turn a profit, then dont bother with crossovers. It's not like they're bringing back Killzone, at least not anytime soon. Who cares about Killzone anymore?

[@spencerblack9467]

Tim has wierd vibes. he hates this industry lol

[@Phwogbug]

Im against this move but its funny how u guys have all the info infront of you and u keep throwing $20 in the air like you can’t get EVERY item individually u guys are treating it like theyre making u buy a pack of garbage like fortnite.

[@андрійбай-р3б]

lol guys i saw you video about game monetization. You were much kinder to much more predatory games, i guess warzone, pokemon pocket, valorant and wwe games just build differently😉🤡

[@superbit415]

Sony needs to make that Concord money back.

[@-eligos-8670]

Damn Mike is the problem….

What did Mike do?

[@impotenceaura]

Buys all the mtx

[@Alex_Logan22]

The market is and he’s a real one for pointing it out.

[@pargatsinghlives]

These complaints are clowntown. Especially the idea of not being able to tell super credits from real money. Go back to your remedial math class if you can't crack this code. It's only too much money if you don't like killzone enough and you don't actually play hd2. Edit: it's even crazier to hear them say these prices are unreasonable when they're still shilling for Marvel Snap, a game jam packed with skins/packs costing $20 or more. And considering the type of game, it's much more of a pay to win situation because your deck likely needs certain specific cards to remain competitive.

[@ShaedStealer]

Secret Level has been a big disappointment. The quality of the animation is good, but the stories and acting has been really bad. Only liked maybe two or three.

[@ryanbartley3152]

Greg Miller kinda sucks

[@Ultrabmw319]

Man Greg should stop playing games he's turned into a grumpy old man. But then he'll bore you with starfield talk. Which is the most mid ugly looking game I've seen in a while. We should start going against the grain with Greg Miller love you Greg but you know it's the truth

[@Ultrabmw319]

Man Greg should stop playing games he's turned into a grumpy old man. But then he'll bore you with starfield talk. Which is the most mid ugly looking game I've seen in a while. We should start going against the grain with Greg Miller love you Greg but you know it's the truth

[@KiD1515]

It’s his thoughts and opinions bro relax lmao. Grumpy old man is a demographic too lol