King Beowulf about Christianity

[@Popepaladin]

I didn't really like this movie until I saw this scene. Beowulf's transformation into a cynical yearning for former glory days is well done in my opinion. I think the movie portrayed well the transition from mythical age of heroes into historical era, which happened in many ancient cultures (though not in one man's life time of course).

[@EricGraham94]

Basically Beowulf is lamenting how now that his heroics have passed, all he can do now is kill everyone else. As is the nature of humanity. When we don’t have a common enemy to unite against, inevitably, we turn against each other.

[@jonbuffalo6314]

the Christ god has killed it.

[@guiandre9347]

With the book of Enoch context, I can't help but wonder did he really end the time of the gods and heroes with the flood?

[@shotgun6059]

@@guiandre9347 somebody who knows real history.

[@shotgun6059]

Killed what? We dont have a spirit of fear. Weaping martyr's lol. Take more of a man to stand there and die for God than a coward fighting with a army. Learn your history. Beowolf is actually a Christian story, movie made by a Jewish man, of course they will insult God.

[@rachdarastrix5251]

@@shotgun6059 Christ: "Looks like you need another lesson. The temple. 5 o clock!"

[@shotgun6059]

@@rachdarastrix5251 what ever crap that means. So what are your beliefs boss??? Or to ashamed to say???

[@pikppa]

We are the monsters now

[@flyoptimum]

I love how internet chads yearn for paganism so as to return to some kind of muscular masculinity and conveniently ignore that the European pagans are no more precisely because they got their asses handed to them by European Christians who were better at organizing societies, raising crops and yes, waging war. Vikings were good at raiding unprotected settlements along coasts and rivers and disappearing before any real resistance could be mustered. In the instances where they were successful at taking land and holding it, they were consumed into the larger and more powerful hegemonies of the Franks and Anglo Saxons, or in the case of the Rus, converted to Christianity of their own accord.

[@tommysoliz3064]

Cry love the church’s coffers all you want

[@flyoptimum]

@@tommysoliz3064 What is that even supposed to mean, and how does it address what I said?

[@davidesguario2151]

Yeah, it’s hilarious. I mean, think of Charlemagne, the guy was literally unstoppable on the battlefield and at the same time was the pope’s champion. Then again, internet chads aside, I think the movie means to portray the biased perception of a new era coming.

[@nicholasoneal1521]

"Vikings were good at raiding unprotected settlements along coasts and rivers and disappearing before any real resistance could be mustered." The Great Heathen Army? Cnuts invasion?

[@flyoptimum]

@@nicholasoneal1521 Addressed in the second paragraph. Viking conquests in England and Normandy were absorbed into the hegemonies of the West Saxons and the Franks in less than a generation. Cnut the Great was a Christian Danish King who reigned at a time when Norse Viking culture was waning fast and nearly gone, so I'm not sure how sure his conquests refute my point.

[@kenllacer]

_'Women are the monsters now.'_ - Beowulf True dat, Beowulf!

[@Pilusmagnus]

Andre Hupp Well I see that people watching Beowulf are very confident in their own virility.

[@Pilusmagnus]

Andre Hupp I really enjoy Beowulf too you know. Great film about the transition of pagan societies into Christianism. Don't see what it has to do with being a decerebrate meninist though.

[@Pilusmagnus]

Well you clearly have confidence problems as well as difficulty approaching the opposite sex, so if anyone wastes their time watching Beowulf I would say it clearly is you, since it doesn't teach you anything about any of that.

[@Pilusmagnus]

Also if you're looking for very manly role models, the Beowulf of this film probably is not for you since the movie makes a whole point of deconstructing the manly male figure of pagan societies and pitting him against the modern Christian-inspired standard of heroism that is all about self-sacrifice and repentance as opposed to brute force and confidence.

[@Pilusmagnus]

You realize that Beowulf in this movie constantly gets seduced and betrayed by women because he is too confident in his own strength, and that is what eventually brings his downfall, right?

[@RavenclawFtW3295]

There are heroes in every age. Their deeds just aren't the same in every one.

[@connorgolden4]

This film takes place places in the early sixth century, Christianity hadn't spread to Denmark yet.

[@HiddenGhul]

Imperialx Warlord it also has dragons and other mythical creatures. It’s a fantasy film based on the Beowulf poem. They took liberties to add depth to a rather narratively simple poem.

[@jugoboss5710]

Thats not right. Since the 6 Century christian missionaries from Britain and the Frankish Empire spread the christinarity in North Europe. Of course only little communities lived in Denmark at this time. But there was tolerated because they worked as craftsmen, soldierts and merchants.

[@TheOldBlackShuckyDog]

No but Beowulf was written down in the later medieval times. Let's just say they liked to change things about a bit.

[@kharnvelzyghur]

fucking win. i've been searching for this scene for a long time. i was expecting to see just a kids adventure story - then this pops in. fucking beautiful.

[@shotgun6059]

What's so beautiful about that? Just another pagan story made by a Jewish man (look into that urself) who bashes Christianity. God bless

[@son_of_stan]

@@shotgun6059 christianity is denial guilt and fear

[@shotgun6059]

@@son_of_stan keep telling yourself that. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour.

[@son_of_stan]

@@shotgun6059 will they? How are you going to make them bow? Any country worth talking about has nukes and advanced weapons these days, so no more crusades, no more forced conversions, no more witch burnings and no more kings. What christ did in his lifetime was twisted into an excuse to invade and enslave innocent "pagan" peoples on the pretext of "saving their souls", i would have had more respect for christians had they not shown their ugly natures during the trump presidency, slavering at the chance to force their superstitions onto others.

[@krzysztofkowalski6681]

@@shotgun6059 Yet your false god can't even beat iron chariots

[@yamnayaseed356]

IDK he was pretty damn religious in the original text

[@wanwan3994]

Probably going off the pagan oral story before it was turned into the Christian poem we have now. You can see some pagan beliefs in the poem still. His idea on fate for example is very unchristian.

[@TheOldBlackShuckyDog]

Later medieval manuscripts probably weren't very accurate in that department. And seeing as that's the only literary evidence we have it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt

[@Calciu_83]

@@wanwan3994 the poem was literally written by a monk

[@thebigshep]

@@Calciu_83 the story was transcribed by a monk based on oral traditions, and he likely had to place Christianity in the text as a way to remove the paganism and make it acceptable to the church. The same thing happened to a lot of Norse tales-- even the ones that depict the Norse gods as literal are rife with underhanded mockery of paganism, because they were transcribed by monks

[@shotgun6059]

Thank you. Somebody who really does research b4 they open thier stupid mouths

[@bretwalda8543]

Glorious

[@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite]

Thumbs up if Floki finding the cross in Iceland brought you here.

[@deshawnbrown5714]

There's this crazy story in the bible about a man wrestling god himself and he did from dusk till dawn. God also has "Michael the arc angel" And true power isn't just being able to kill things (kratos) or conquering things (shao khan) its about "resisting" those things... A "kings true power is his compassion" not his "sword arm"

[@7kevin11rodriguezcorrea4]

Really? What verse?

[@painvillegaming4119]

Chuck norris : finally a worthy OPPENNENT

[@yunnibitchero9985]

@@7kevin11rodriguezcorrea4 it was the reference to Jacob

[@bossfan49]

In the scene just prior to this, the character Ursula mentions the upcoming celebration commemorating Beowulf defeating Grendel and the day after they celebrate the birth of Hallend Christ. Can anyone tell about the word/title "Hallend" ? I've traced it as a male first name meaning "from the island"...I can only guess that refers to England..which was part of the Roman Empire (until around 410 AD..about 100 yrs prior to the events of Beowulf) and where Christianity spread from. Am i close?

[@tetlik]

Patrzę na tych ludzi na filmie i patrzę i za cholerę nie mogę rozgryźć czy to animacja, czy prawdziwi aktorzy :)

[@ali_a421]

they are real actors but different faces

[@leowall-iw4tq]

World History and culture must change. This is the law of pertepetual evolution like now we are descending into a dark era where there is no more god or spirits but just nothing and lust for material things.

[@CrypticSWLDN]

Until judgement day

[@shotgun6059]

Speak for yourself boss. I don't know about your gods, But my God, Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is very alive and will be back to judge the world.

[@son_of_stan]

When someone's going on about people's lust for material things they sound like one of those tv pastors telling you to give all money to them lol

[@shotgun6059]

Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour.

[@comet7676]

sure

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

@@comet7676 the alternative is hell , CS Lewis did a great job explaining in his book " mere Christianity' exactly why it's a fools errand to resist

[@comet7676]

@@travelsouthafrica5048 I spent the first 14 years of my life learning nothing but God, turns out it's not that useful in real life.

[@shotgun6059]

@@travelsouthafrica5048 shows how intelligent your are. Do you think only Christians believe in hell? Do your research on all religions and you will see they all believe in hell. God bless

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

@@shotgun6059 here is my answer to your silly straw-man statement kzbin.info/www/bejne/npamgKyph7eIeZI

[@sappypappy8595]

Weeping martyrs. Fear. Shame.

[@lausdeo4944]

_The time of heroes is dead Wiglaf. The Christ God has killed it._ *Saint George has entered the chat.*

[@heldhostageplshelp]

I like this movie although this part is kind of Beowulf being an hypocrite. His was strength lust and power. Then he was corrupted by an demon dragon(Through strength lust and power) and brought ruin to his people after lying to them. He himself is like an broken man after his crooked deal. Then in the end he realized sacrifice was the only way to save his people like the way God sacrifices Christ for his people.

[@jorgebersabe293]

The Dragon was the embodiment of said sin, as he was on the outside what Beowulf was on the inside: A prideful, sadistic and arrogant man who only loves to destroy and boast about his own superiority. After all, the Dragon is Beowulf's pride and arrogance flying up to meet him.

[@eliashartmann7675]

He is Right!

[@richmondlandersenfells2238]

He is.

[@makapaka2924]

He is an anglo saxon. And thwy believe in monsters but the dragon is beowulf's son

[@proudsaiyanprince2651]

No he wasn't. He was a Geat from what would be modern day southern Sweden. The story takes place in Denmark and Geatland.

[@fodge5395]

@@proudsaiyanprince2651 Weird considering the poem itself is Anglo-Saxon. But then again the Anglo-Saxons came from lower Jutland and Saxony so it was probably an old legend from those times.

[@Grudgebearer47]

@@fodge5395 tbh geats are not too different from non-Christianized Anglo saxons. The saxons, angles, geats, they were all Germanic tribes.

[@jmlaw8888]

@@Grudgebearer47 Yeah people are too quick to judge everything by our modern standards when things werent so clear cut back then. It might be an Old English tale but its a regional not a national one.

[@kpashow84]

Beuwolf laments that a foreign religion destroys their native religion and culture

[@Calciu_83]

Correction - a movie produced by a )ew cries about Christianity for the millionth time

[@shotgun6059]

@@Calciu_83 Thank you brother

[@CarvedStones]

@@Calciu_83 Jews, Christians, and Muslims share the same god tho lol.

[@jmlaw8888]

@@CarvedStones Always glad to see someone else who gets it. Im an atheist but if I were to respect a religion it would be the one of my ancient forefathers not some transplanted middle eastern one.

[@PabloGitara]

aktorzy, ale przepuszczeni prze zkomputer, dlatego takie rysy twarzy :P

[@donblosser8720]

Christian martyrs did not weep in shame. They sang in faith and joyful expectation. Pagan warriors will be weeping in shame and horror for all eternity in hell. The words of Beowulf here in the film are not in the original. They are invented and inserted by some modern pagan.

[@ramicollo]

Source: trust me bro

[@junesilvermanb2979]

Christ Shall Rule. Christ Shall Conquer. Christ Reigns Supreme.

[@richmondlandersenfells2238]

AMEN! His kingdom shall last to infinity!

[@crazyharkonnen]

Christian chivalry code was a code of noble warriors, not weeping martyrs.

[@YouhavetoBelieve3347]

Wulfheorte The Chivalry Code is Christian because it withholds Christian values on how to act morally as a knight for the greater good. The Chivalric Code revolves around the 10 Commandments heavily. The Pagan barbarians never had this Code of Conduct and actually became much more civil and morally righteous after their conversion.

[@YouhavetoBelieve3347]

TheBlondie It was composed by monotheistic Jews actually and came out of Judea. U should be more worried about the real systems of control like Money, Government, Politics, and Banks. Christ came to free us from the establishment and even condemned the political and religious figures of his day and they crucified him for it.

[@tovarichmexikansky9266]

Chivalry died at Aggencourt

[@crazyharkonnen]

@@tovarichmexikansky9266 Never died. Sustained a substantial wound. Very substantial.

[@samsmith2635]

@@YouhavetoBelieve3347 Fun Fact, No one really had this Code of Conduct and is just Urban Legend, usually only enacted for the Ransoming of important people... Another Facade of Truth that never was. In Fact the Warrior Code was stronger in the Gaelic and Nordic Nation than the Christian ones of the time.

[@TANTHEMANFILMS]

yeh Christianity was not really a thing in that region in the 6th century AD.. most Germanic peoples where pagans for awhile..

[@CarvedStones]

@Otto or the goths

[@TANTHEMANFILMS]

@Otto the Norse and Baltic people where the last to fully convert.. also more then half of Iberia was Muslim...

[@CarvedStones]

@Otto there were Germanic tribes that were Christianized like the Suebi (they became Christian once the visigoths conquered them), Goths, Vandals, Franks, etc but most of the Germanic tribes in Scandinavia were mostly still pagan.

[@CarvedStones]

@@TANTHEMANFILMS Not around the 6th century no, where this movie takes place. During this time most of Iberia was catholic, while the Visigoths who conquered Iberia were Arian Christians and the Suebi who resided in the northwest of the peninsula were pagans.

[@CarvedStones]

@@TANTHEMANFILMS There was a pagan minority in Iberia though, mostly composed of the Asturian-celts and some Iberians and the Suebi.

[@ExploringProphecy]

They completely distorted the original poem's Christian themes in this movie. That is what poisons this film. Like it or not, the Christian God was central in the REAL Beowulf, and the author always ended a recounting of a historic anecdote or recounting of Beowulf's feats with a lengthy praise of God. What this film did, was do the exact opposite, slamming Christianity whenever it gets the chance (let alone all the liberties that it took with the plot that NEVER happened in the poem). This film is a mockery and a perversion of the original story, but what else can you expect from Hollywood.

[@wanwan3994]

The Beowulf manuscript is Christian. The time Beowulf takes place was still very much pagan. Not to mention Beowulf's thought on fate and boasting is very much pagan. Beowulf was a pagan oral story that got turned into a beautiful poem by a Christian for a Christian audience he changed things for it to be more relatable to the times.

[@bossfan49]

I am Christian and I just watched the film. I didn't see anything regarding Christianity I would call "slamming". If fact I only recall 2 or 3 mentions of it.

[@shotgun6059]

Funny the producer of the film is Jewish 🤯🤯🤯🤪🤪🤪 of course they will mock Jesus.

[@ourfatherinthegreen4065]

@@shotgun6059 okay Mel Gibson it’s time to put that bottle of bourbon down lol

[@shotgun6059]

@@ourfatherinthegreen4065 bourbon pffft keep going brother, drinking is for women, at the bottom of the food chain compared to what I use. Wow Thank you, I wish I was half the man Mel Gibson is, God bless you for that great compliment. I have nothing but love for you brother, please pray for me. BTW Jesus loves you. why don't you simply google who is the producer of Beowulf, he is Jewish. LOL funny I'm in Israel writing this msg to you. Beautiful country and people. Absolute blessing from God, this is truly Gods country. God bless 🙏 🙏🙏

[@eternall808]

wrong/Right.... 👀

[@jordanrivera8174]

is it another way of saying Man is not the gods of earth but the son of god himself is ?

[@Zibit21]

Sure, Beowulf. Go ahead and blame Christ for the ruin you brought upon yourself 😝

[@francescomanetti-germanica]

The poverty of weeping Christians in these comments trying to say "oh yeah we looked cool too back in the days, we were warriors as well, killing heretics or persecuting pagans". Nothing has changed. Of course this film twists the poem, because it was written by a Christian and like most literature of that time, it was a story with a germanic structure and a christian message. However this film is a tiny drop of what, especially in the US, that still immense ocean of indoctrinated folks (living between warring and charity valours just to look cool in both ways and giving a sense to their lives) deserves. For the future crying jeezus-slaves commenting hereunder: no, you can't get power and money as your elites does and be the "good guys" as well. The great peculiarity of your religion compared to others is the huge hypocrisy of your everyday living, keeping on telling lies to yourselves and others about what should be and what you really are. Like the dude in the comments saying "oh yeah the true power is NOT doing those things" ahahah, yeeeaah sure because if Christians in those days used just kindness, sweet words and not the SWORD, the whole of Europe wouldn't be christian today! Read history goddammit. The only truth is that you like to live in a lie to feel better.

[@lausdeo4944]

As if. I do read history. Because of that, I know the Christians most certainly didn't conquer Rome with the sword. I know the vast majority of Pagan Germanic nations were won not by crusaders but by missionaries. Boniface who threw down Thor's Oak; Patrick who burned a fire for Yaweh in defiance of Ireland's Bel; Augustine of Canterbury who converted an English king-- These and so many others won the Saxons, Angles, Irish, and Scandinavians for the Church when centuries of domination by mighty emperors such as Charlemagne with "convert or die" approaches yielded naught but blood. *Cope harder. Christ is King.* The once-Pagans saw it. Will you?

[@francescomanetti-germanica]

It is always ironic but fascinating as well the self-convinction of people around the world about things that once in the future as once in the eons of the past will be faded as falling drops in the oceans of time. "Christ is King" means anything as means basically nothing. However, if there is one who has lost the way (even if I don't like this way of thinking) is you and folks like you, who forgot the teachings of his ancestors. But it's not even your fault of course, you just were born in a Christian society and/or with christian parents/teachers etc.. Anyway, I'm noone to judge anyone, therefore I think each one of us should follow the spiritual way that makes us "happy". Returning to history, I always suggest to christians not to dive too deep in it because its course demonstrates everything and its contrary and it is not so satisfying for someone needing pillars of certainties. Sometimes, when I learn about the history of Christianism (or better said, of Christianisms), it appears that christians are more "pagans" than pagans themselves, they just don't know it. The multitudes of sects, holy figures, traditions, beliefs, heresies, leaving apart all the utterly different interpretations and conclusions given from the "big three", (Christianism, Judaism, Islam), make your monotheistic world-view far more confused than that of the "pagans". And that, whether you accept it or not. As a consequence, what the pagans (your great-great-great....grandads and granmoms) "saw" is just what every subordinate culture has to accept when the dominant culture changes. Christianism won just thanks to power and cultural influence, because they were on the right side of the river. And you saw also that when this majestic religion lacked the support of the political and economic power, given also thanks to the success of the Roman Empire firstly and secondly of the western imperial powers in the Modern Age, it suddenly stopped expanding. And one day it will come that, when an another religion/culture will detain more power and influence over our society, Christianism will undergo the same fate that it caused on the ancient religions of Europe. Sic transeat gloria mundi. @@lausdeo4944

[@lausdeo4944]

@@francescomanetti-germanica Ironic indeed, the assumptions you make about me and my historical understanding. I have spent my entire life reveling in the mysteries of the past. I have seen absolutely nothing to shake my faith in Reality (that is, the Christian outlook on the world). What have I seen, as you didn't ask? I have seen history, the world, and all understanding of the cosmos itself undone and reordered by the Christ God. I have seen arguments against the Biblical Cosmology dashed apart one by one. I have seen the Dominion of Christ conquer the World-- by Rome, by Europe, then throughout the world. I have seen Christendom plant the cross through the sword, of course, but primarily through the missionary. That is what "Christ is King" means. We came to conquer the world through our "power and cultural influence," but that influence didn't come from militaries. It came from the cross. We conquered the most powerful empire on earth through our suffering. Then we conquered the earth. You are naive if you believe we will fade away. The world is fundamentally and permanently reordered. All of history points to Christ. That is what I have seen. The world's glory indeed passes. *Old things are passed away; behold, all things have become new.*

[@francescomanetti-germanica]

"But", "but primarily with missionaries", "but not from the militaries". Dude, I don't doubt you read history, but you're telling yourself the truth. Hence you're inventing it to legitimate your worldview, and it's ok, we all do it, but please, try not to mix critical thinking with the "grand design" or the "manifest destiny" or I don't know (and then you say I AM the naive). Please, if you were born in an islamic country, or an hindu, who knows, you would tell me about how sure you are of your Allah, or whatever it may be, etc. etc. etc.. You conquered the earth? You who? You Christians don't even know who you are anymore (probably you've never known). Your "ship" is embarking water everywhere and, as I told you, if you've read history for real, and not what you need to see in it, you would have seen that each dominant culture, each "conqueror-idea" won just with sword, blood spilling and political power. If Christianism would have worked just with kindness and good words, as your high morality usually advertises itself, you wouldn't even be christian. The world itself wouldn't even know what Christianism or Jesus is. The more a culture is dominant, the more blood there is on her hands. Therefore imagine how much sufference, destruction, vile murder, persecution etc. was needed to spread Christianity all over the world, through all the continents, in the course of many many centuries. If you read history with less zealousness you shall see that you're absolutely not the "good ones" in the tale. And yes my friend, once you and me, our ideas, problems, our commenting under a Beowulf's video on KZbin xD, (namely less than a grain of sand in an almost endless beach of space and time), will be faded as for uncountable things already happened and is happening in the cosmos. If you need to see the God's plan here and there because existence is a burden too big to face, and accepting its meaninglessness would be devastating, is fair. All we humans make up our own pillars to keep on living. But please, at least don't call me the "naive". @@lausdeo4944

[@lettuceman9439]

Christainism, What a way to cope with your cynicism that you rather use that word than use common term which had been used by your own idols instead you muck around it like your Satan seeing a cross.

[@anoncrazynonevilgooddecent7631]

He is not right, el no tiene razón