King KDS vs Suehiro Cerax 1000 Whetstone

[@mingulay29]

I think you did a huge amount to stimulate interest in sharpening especially among the younger audience. Instead of some old dude in a cluttered, dark garage we have a young, enthusiastic and always well presented guy in a clean space with well-made videos. And yes, you are a nice guy. A huge thank you, Ryky.

[@scottfulghum7875]

Back to this video again and it helped me so much! Ive had an S1 6000 for 10 years thinking that would get me everthing I would need. Without your help I would have been stuck thinking I couldn't sharpen a knife. I had to outsource all the sharpening for 10 years! Expensive!! Thanks to you and learning from you I'm 21.00 dollars away from total success with the King 1000. I only have 3 knives but use them everyday at home like you. I'm feeling really empowered by all of this new knowledge. Many thanks Ryky!!!

[@Emivioricomex]

This is awesome info! I discovered your channel few days ago and I've watched and learned tones from the newer to the oldest videos

[@convict240]

The king. The one 1000 stone that I just cannot let go of no matter how much I like another stone... I feel you. There is a reason why it is called the king. Cutting speed alone does not make a stone perfect.

[@Burrfection]

yup, so true. i still have one, even after all of these years

[@steveledbetter5613]

I just bought the Cerax 320, and the new Cerax 1000/6000 combo as my first Waterstones. I’m an experienced sharpener with all the other “styles” of stones, but this is my first jump into the Japanese pond! Looks like I made great choices.

[@Jeremy_810]

Are you satisfied with the cerax combo still? I'm thinking about getting it to try out water stones without having to make a large investment in Shapton or Naniwa chosera. I've been using Ultrasharp diamond stones and Spyderco ceramics for a few years now, and while they get it done, I get no enjoyment out of using them.

[@AnarchAngel1]

@@Jeremy_810 I know this is an old post but check out the Imanishi 1k/6k combo stone. You can grab it for 55 dollars right now from CKTG. Best combo stone I've ever used. It's big and thick and harder than the King or Cerax stones (some people like harder stones and some people don't). It will last you a lifetime though, it wears very slowly

[@05glisedan]

Long winded, works. The more info, the better. Thanks for sharing. Just purchased a Cerax 1000. Should get here soon. Thanks again......

[@darrencookfishing7961]

Very grateful for your uploads. Did my 1st wetstone sharpen on a very dull victorionox chef knife on a cheap stone under your guidence . Great results so far. I will be purchasing with your guidance next week. Thank you Ricky.

[@eitanpeled7143]

hai mate ... what about the CERAX CR-4800 ? it is a combination of 1000 and 6000 same like the king kds

[@Cherub72]

DId you get it? Curious if you compared the 2

[@willieboy3011]

This is a well balanced review of the detailed, technical differences between the two stones. Good job. To me though, there does not have to be a "winner" chosen. The differences, such as time involved in sharpening a blade between the two stones or the feel of the blade on the stone, may matter greatly or not at all, depending upon the user's preference. Regardless, I am glad these differences are evaluated and illustrated.

[@AnarchAngel1]

For anyone considering the King I would highly suggest the Imanishi 1k/6k combo stone instead. It's bigger and thicker and you can get it for around 50-55 bucks. It's a lot harder than than the king and doesn't wear as quickly. It's probably a little less "snappy" in the feedback department but it has a very smooth, consistent feel. I have dozens of stones from Shapton, Naniwa (🖕😆), Suehiro, Imanishi/Arashiyama/Bester and I still grab that stone a lot. Would take it over the King any day of the week. Both sides seem true to grit. You could buy that stone and a good 220/320 (Shapton Ha No Kuromaku 320 is going for 35 dollars on Amazon) or a diamond plate and pretty much be set unless you're sharpening super high carbide steels

[@pentrixter]

Cerax 1000: $46 + $20 shipping = $66. Chosera 800: $67 + free shipping Ryky has already crowned the Chosera. The choice is obvious.

[@berniegager7535]

Ignore the haters just do your thing. As for the polishing stones test use the same sharpening stone for every knife and this will astablish a control. Look forward to the upcoming videos.

[@90-wolf4]

Great in depth reviews. Just stumbled on your channel today keep up the great work looking forward to watching through your videos. You have a new subscriber

[@Burrfection]

welcome!

[@marioshedid3738]

So cerax 1k/6k is better than the king kds1/6 k ? Thank

[@tybertimus]

Soon I will have the means to build the gas forge that I've been wanting for years and start making knives...including kitchen knives. Your videos are a great resource for knife makers as well!

[@Burrfection]

what?!!?! really? haha. i'm just a hobbyist.... you knife makers are doing the real thing. stay in touch and keep me posted with your progress. would love to see your work

[@Tremulousnut]

Watch the Carter and Japaneseknifeimports videos as well. I find them less biased than some of the other companies out there putting videos on youtube, and they don't promote the blind worship of Hitachi blue knives.

[@Burrfection]

who's blindly referring Hitachi blue knives?

[@Tremulousnut]

My biggest gripe is a certain company that sells knives in the US, but quite a few places do this. They claim that yellow is for home use, white is for apprentice/journeyman and blue is for the master, which isn't necessarily true, because that is knife and steel (white 1 for example) specific. Hitachi blue is certainly steel for professionals, and it is certainly ideal in workhorse knives like gyuto, santoku and deba, but when cuts mattered (nigiri sushi or sashimi) white is preferred with Honyaki white 1 from a good smith is considered the best. With Japanese knives, the price is not a reflection of quality. Blue steel knives are more expensive because the steel cost more, production wise it is very procedural and suitable for apprentices (which is why some smiths delegate them to make). It also pains me when companies tell beginners to "remove the microbevel". Not saying that couldn't or shouldn't be done, but I don't believe that's not the right thing to tell beginners who may not necessarily know what they are doing, or want out of their knife. When beginners see chefs on youtube filleting fish using their yanagiba and try that themselves, problems could happen and they will end up blaming the knife/maker, or Japanese knives in general.

[@rapanui222]

Ryky, thank you for the videos. I have subscribed to your channel. Would it be possible for you to do a short video or at post somewhere a more objective list of terminology definitions? In this video you have used "hand feel", tactile, feedback, and "snappy" without explaining specifically what each of those mean to you. For some of those I can guess at their meaning, but others contain more subtlety. For example "feedback must mean that you can tell when you have rocked the blade off of the bevel. How do you know? Has the resistance increased or decreased? Has the sound changed? if so, how did it change. I think you get what I'm asking. An explanation like that would not only make the reviews clearer IMO, it would add a level of detail to the instructive qualities of the video as well. Thanks!

[@Burrfection]

great suggestion! will put together a video on your questions, soon.

[@ProfezorRuiz]

Burrfection have you made it get?!??!!?

[@rickk1167]

I hope you keep up the awesome videos, i am just getting into water stones and have learned a lot from you. Now if i could just make up my mind as to which stones to get. Good luck in your future and again keep up the awesome videos

[@sour7786]

I like the long winded reviews learn allot and shows your passionate.

[@Burrfection]

keeping it real

[@Tremulousnut]

Keep doing the "long winded" videos. People come here precisely for that type of content. On some videos (when you are not doing reactions) however, I think you should read scripts or have something prepared to reduce "dead air".

[@dimmacommunication]

I've bought the King deluxe stone 1200, what do you think about it ? Here in Europe the Cherax retails double the price of the KDS

[@cokabs]

Great vid! the last part whit the close look to the edge is very helpfully... Subscribed! Cheers.

[@allexojeda91]

My head chef just gifted me a brand new king kds dual sided 1000 and 6000 grit stone. Soaking it as i write this and im eager to see how it sharpens my zakuri blue steel.

[@Questioniblafy]

What are your thoughts on the cerax 700? My old 5 year old King 1000 is getting a bit thin. I'm thinking of getting either a chosera 600, cerax 700, or king 800 as a semi replacement. I would like a slightly courser stone to do sharpening on. I have a couple polishing stones to finalize the edge. I don't know if you've ever used a King 800, but I've seen a chosera 600 and cerax 700 in your collection. I was wondering how you would compare them with a King 1000. Also my autocorrect keeps wanting to change "chosera" to "cholera" and "cerax" to "cereal"... which makes me lean more towards the cerax since I much prefer cereal to cholera.

[@Burrfection]

i have not used it yet, but will soon. i love the cerax 320, 1000, and rika 5000, so i suspect the 700 will be a great stone.

[@litewavve]

Can you address the longevity of stones in comparison? Which one gets worn more quickly and therefore requires more frequent flattening? By the way, Cerax 1000/3000 combi is also under $60 too. Would you prefer that over KDS?

[@allexojeda91]

My co workers old head chef/teacher gave him his old kds 1000 maybe 1200 stone i was told it was almost as thick as brick and it is a lil over a decade old. As of now it is still a good thickness. It dished on both sides and i corrected it for him. Id say its as thick as maybe 2-3 cell phones lying on top of each other.

[@ild0ct0r3]

Damn, I just bought the king 1000 deluxe. I think the king will meet the shogun x soon. Cheers Ryky!

[@IUSTIN82]

Hi, I'm a beginner in this field (but I'm eager to learn) I just bought an Victorinox 8 inch chef knife, and I wanna buy a combined stone but I don't know what is the best combination 1000/3000 or 1000/6000, anyway it will be a Cerax or a King.

[@bomaomaar3579]

Hi ryky, What about king gold super 8k stone? Please do the review video with king g-1 8k stone and kitayama 8k stone, thank you.

[@samlee2562]

...in response to this video cerax have brought out a 1000/6000 stone o..O

[@terryshrives8322]

I really love the king, it was always a reliable stone. I have more expensive stones. But use the king most

[@sour7786]

I also have a cerax 700 that it's nice but I can't figure out the soak time. I think for my stone 30 min is to long and it make a tone! Of slurry and where's down extremely quickly I don't like that. I think I'm gonna time it for 20 minutes cause sometimes it doesn't do that and I really do in joy not having the really thick slurry.

[@Burrfection]

thanks for the update. i'll have to test to see for myself

[@jonnyb.484]

Great video mate. Looking to buy my first stone. One of these two I think, still not 100% sure which one lol. Found this video very helpful so thank you.

[@johnzeppfelix]

Can you please let me know what you think of Yatoshi knifes.

[@fenixtactical22]

Great videos! I recently purchased my first set of what I would consider decent quality kitchen knives when compared to the $3-$5 Walmart knives I was using. The knives I’m referring to are the Mercer Genesis series 8” chef knife, 7” Santoku, 8” bread knife, 5” utility knife, 3.5” paring knife and for shits and giggles, the Victorinox Fibrox 8” chef knife. I’m now in the market for sharpening supplies. In your opinion, what are the must have items for someone trying their hand at sharpening for the first time? I have an overall budget of around $80 which can be flexible if necessary though I’d like to stay at or below that if possible. I just finished watching this video and was set on the Cerax 1000 until I saw the Cerax 1000/3000. Being this video is about a year old, has your opinion changed? Is there a better option at that price range? Do you have experience with the Cerax 1000/3000 and 1000/6000?

[@dimmacommunication]

Honestly I've always sharpened with a cheap chinese diamond stone, 400 and 1000. Never had a " normal " stone. These stones are for people that don't wanna buy chinese diamond stones, want normal stones etc...

[@Emivioricomex]

@@dimmacommunication hi would you have a link to one of those stones pls

[@dimmacommunication]

@@Emivioricomex I'm trying to copy the link but the aliexpress app isn't good... Damn 🙈 I will try to see if I can give you a link

[@Emivioricomex]

@@dimmacommunication ok thank you for trying

[@dimmacommunication]

@@Emivioricomex I will copy the text to search in aliexpress if you want

[@billnott5811]

Hi from Alaska , I love your videos, thanks for all your great work =) I just bought the Wushtof Ikon and the Cerax 1000. My question is, what kind of lifespan can I expect out of my Cerax with only light to moderate use ? I know that Ikon will last me a lifetime with proper care , so I also wanted to have enough Whetstones to last a lifetime. I was wondering if I should buy one or two more of the Cerax just for back up . Thx !

[@samlee2562]

Relax, cerax won't stop making stones... There'll always be one waiting for you in a warehouse somewhere... And if they do stop. Well then, we'll all just cry. Then get a different one. 🤗

[@samlee2562]

Casually sharpening a few kitchen knives a stone will probably last a lifetime. A busy sushi chef will go through a stone in a year or so. The harder the steel, the more wear on the stone, to flatten your stone use a sabitoru rust eraser medium grit 👍

[@AnarchAngel1]

@@samlee2562 A rust eraser might remove loading but it's not gonna flatten your stone very well. You want a proper dressing stone or diamond plate for that. Even for removing loading a proper nagura is a better choice, I find that the rust erasers can leave little particles on the surface of the stone

[@lukep6017]

Excellent review, thk u.

[@Swordphobic]

Say Ryky, where are those deburring videos you mentioned?

[@Bobmels70]

Yes where are they I'm a new sharpener and like to know about the deburring .

[@WetaMantis]

You convinced me to buy both a shirt and a sharpening stone :)

[@slim617]

Anyone know where the chosera vs suehiro

[@daveuk2560]

i use the naniwa 1k/3k combo love ur posts, full of information and energy.

[@gregoryburris6374]

Apologize for what?? Thanks for what you do! Greg

[@rodrigosilva2939]

Please review a King Neo 800

[@mariohwoc]

Hi! So when I was in Japan a knife maker that sold me my first Japanese knife recommended the King KDS. Now, 8 months later the 6k side has some darker spots the size of a grain. Those spots almost can't be felt by the hand but im just wondering if you have experienced the same thing? Or if I did something wrong to my stone.

[@Burrfection]

it's probably just load up. try this rust eraser amzn.to/2fbTat0. it's my personal favorite right now. better than naguras.

[@thorbradshaw2637]

@@Burrfection Thanks for all your "feedback" you are a amazing guy!

[@satberhoxhaj3347]

i just purchased king kds how long do i soak it for thanks

[@Burrfection]

just 10 minutes on 1000 side. do not soak 6K side

[@TravisTennies]

Thank you for all your videos. I try to comment and like as much as I can. If I had money I would buy some knives on your website.

[@therewasatime8777]

Great Videos, very informative, my brother. What would you recommend for sharping a shaving straight razor, I want to stay with King brand? look forward to more videos. Thanks for taking the time to put out these videos. keep up the excellent work. Cheers

[@sladehodge2771]

I use the king 8000 gold stone to finish off straight razor honing. From there onto a strop with some autosol paste. Razors pass the hanging hair test well.

[@scottfulghum7875]

I'll get the king 1000 on Wednesday THANK YOU RYKY!!!

[@bomaomaar3579]

Hi Ryky, Would you recommend me to sharpen a yanagiba using naniwa home stone 1k/3k and kitayama 8k for finishing? and what's the difference between naniwa ss, home stone, and chosera?

[@Burrfection]

honestly, use what you can afford. i use a strop these days, but the kitayama is a great stone for 8K finish. kit.com/Burrfection/knife-kit chosera is better than the home stone in every way. speed, hand feel, feed back.

[@lup4634]

Hi Ricky, should I buy the Kds or the combination King KW-65 and Naniwa QX-0010?

[@samlee2562]

Everything, Everything! Buy everything! And do it now! ✊🥳

[@alexPsanz]

Do you know that there are several cerax combinations? Why is the king 1k/6k a benefit but you don’t mention the cerax 1k/6k or 1k/3k?

[@Burrfection]

at the time of making this video , no.

[@nicksharples3277]

Awesome info. Thanks mate.

[@sour7786]

So I have the naniwa professional 400 1k 3k I don't like to use them that much because of the price I sharpen allot of other ppl knives and I don't want it to kill me in price. So I normally use my king deluxe 1k and a cerax 6k But I'm really wanting another stone or 2. would you think the cerax 1k would be worth it? Or Would you Think I a cerax 320 and then maybe a cerax 3k? I do t think the rika 5k would be worth it cause I have a cerax 6k. i also have the king 6k that comes in that little base it's a tiny 6k stone was thinking maybe get the full size Murray carter uses. But then I know you got more suehiro vids coming out. idk if I should wait for that but ithink that's all the more pricey line up and again allot of this is what I charge ppl a small amount of money. It works cause they get a sharp knife and I get to sharpen win win If you can't tell I'm really itching for new stones

[@Burrfection]

if you are looking to replace everything you have, then yeah, pick up the cerax 1l, and rika 5k. if you want to add, i would get the 320, since it's GREAT. i wouldn't get the rika 5k, since you already have a 6k. but i love the rika so if you want to sell the 6k, i would seriously pick up the rika.

[@sour7786]

Really good points in that. I'd rather build them replace since I really do like my stones I get excellent results off them. So I think the 320 is the way to go. Side note do you know if the king deluxe is the max performing King stone? And what's the big 6k kind stone Mary Carter uses?

[@joeyfab4]

Great comparison video. Awesome! I have the King Deluxe Stone 1000. How long do I have to dip it in water before I use it? I was told before that I have to keep that wet to make it effective? I also need to make a secure base for it before using it. Thanks! Aloha🌺🤙🏼

[@makshima8545]

Aloha Joey. In his comparison of the King 1000 vs the Chosera 800, Ryky recommended soaking the King for at least 30 minutes. He also said that an additional 10 minutes would bring out the best the stone could offer. Bear in mind that was said 3 years ago and he may have revised his opinion since then. Hope that helps!

[@joeyfab4]

@@makshima8545 Aloha Mak. Thanks for your reply. I will definitely soak mine for that long and be more efficient with my honing strokes. I have also made a secure base for mine. Your reply definitely helps. Merry Christmas to you and your family and All the Best in 2021!

[@jeanlannes9954]

I would have gone for the KDS combo but noticed that many online retailers are actually selling a cheap copy, not the real KDS stone. On top of that, the way they ship is poorly done and many end up with a chipped stone. Ended up with the Cerax 1000 and loving it but I would also need a lower grit stone (320 or 400). Cerax again or Koromaku or Naniwa?

[@chrisdeaton1406]

I have the king kds 1000 6000 can't seem to get a burr just learning any suggestions why I can't get a burr

[@Burrfection]

if after a while, you can't get a burr, just turn the knife around and try the other side on the 1000. see how your edge is on the 1000 and don't go to the 6000 for a few sharpening. if you still can't get a burr, you PROBABLY have too low an angle.

[@jeffhicks8428]

You cant think of anything not great to say about the 1k cerax? How about... it has to be soaked for at least 10 minutes before use. Its soft and friable and creates a lot of mud in use. Wikk make a big mess and will require finesse to get a final edge with all that grit bouncing around. good for kasumi tho. How about the fact the finish looks more like a 500 for naniwa or shaton. But even tho it's a soaker it cuts weaker than 500 glass. I like the stone and it has it's uses but there is no shortage of negative you can say about it, if you actually look

[@thomasgronek6469]

Ryky: I am a mean jerk,,, only kidding, I love all of you videos, thank you so much, you are the bestest.

[@samlee2562]

🤗

[@UncleFjester]

11:25 he apologizes for being long winded...then goes on for another 8 minutes? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@b-radg916]

When you show the edge at the end of this video, I can't help but notice how big (tall?) the bevel is. I know you're not into angles, but it seems to me that a primary bevel that tall is only going to happen if you are sharpening at a very acute angle (10 degrees or less?). You've said in other videos to sharpen at the existing angle... is it possible on this knife you decided to make it more acute than it came from the factory? Or have you ever played with microbevels? Thanks!

[@Burrfection]

i used to sharpen at 8-10 degrees, so yeah. thats' what you are seeing. now. if i have to give it a number, i'm around 14-16 degrees

[@Burrfection]

i have played with micro bevels some. still working on a test to show the benefits (if any) relative to a knife without one. stay tuned.

[@b-radg916]

Cool. So it would be fair to say that that knife has a secondary and primary bevel, but not a micro bevel? I look forward to what you have to say about micro bevels!

[@Burrfection]

correct, in this video, there was no microbevel.

[@Burrfection]

In case you are interested < Dalstrong just sent me a 11% discount code BURRFECT goo until the end of the year. i haven't announced it yet, but it's the biggest discount on their knives right now.

[@donaldcoulter6017]

"Let's accept that and move on" Lol

[@pebismacgreebil4054]

It hurts to watch this knowing that your friend broke your rika

[@florenciomartin5522]

Por favor traduce al español

[@tomasturcanik7871]

can i use king deluxe 1000 for global knifes or any knifes of rockness hardness more than 56?

[@comol9392]

Yes ^^ (It's late, okay ...)

[@AnarchAngel1]

Yeah. It may start to struggle on knives over the 62 Rockwell range though particularly if it's high in carbides. It will handle steel in the 60ish range just fine though

[@ratedAD]

Super video! I applauded for $2.00 👏

[@Burrfection]

i truly appreciate your contribution to my channel. please reach out directly if you have any questions i can help with. you can reach me at [e-mail]

[@viaumarcandre]

you think you talk too much? obviously you never met my mother in law...

[@Burrfection]

don't let her read this comment.... or does she know?