KING of Hall Effect Controllers | Flydigi Vader 4 Pro Review

[@detoi4371]

I'm surprised you didn't mention that the buttons can be rebound as keyboard keys. CZM1-4 can be used to output common modifiers like crtl, shift, alt, F1-12 etc. Unless flydigi removed that from their software

[@jubuttib]

You can see the M1-4 keys mapped to mouse and some keyboard keys when he first brings up the software. Should still be there.

[@Tuuvas]

Honestly, I'm not sure why I didn't specifically mention that. I think my (bad) assumption may have been thinking it was common knowledge at this point. But yes, literally all the buttons (except Home and Function) can be remapped to anything else. Gamepad buttons.. keyboard keys.. mouse clicks.. macros.. set as turbos.. etc.

[@jubuttib]

@@Tuuvas That is AWESOME. I've been looking for a gamepad that gives me ACTUAL extra buttons and not just remaps of Xinput ones for a while now. And mostly to CPG the Apache... =)

[@Tuuvas]

Yup! Just keep in mind, the Flydigi software MUST be running to use the non-gamepad remaps like keyboard and mouse remaps

[@jubuttib]

@@Tuuvas That's fine, I can live with that. I wish that it was possible to turn more of these devices to DirectInput mode instead of Xinput, and just let the buttons be generic controller buttons.

[@DiabeticDebuff]

I am utterly amazed by your presentation of information and attention to detail. Very professional man. My Vader 4 Pro comes in tomorrow and this was the perfect recap that I could have possibly asked for. Thank you!

[@katanamaru1]

The MS Paint breakdown was amazing at explaining! Thank you. Also thanks for showing the difference of square and circle circularity in game.

[@xanthonjp]

Great review. Most detailed I've seen so far. Music is too loud though and not sure if it's necessary.

[@mooseroom]

never thought i'd see such a detailed and properly broken down video of a controller. thank you for this mate

[@y3eMAN]

Just wanna say you sir are a genius. Smartest controller review, presentation, I've seen on this controller without wasting a single word describing the product. Subscribed!!!! Amazing. Now lets go add this controller to my cart. 😅

[@ralfidude]

Sweetie, wake up. Tuuvas finally did this video!!

[@ghostgaming25771]

Once my Xbox controller finally needs a retire I will for sure be getting the Vader 4 pro as it is the same price and everything about it I love. Thanks Tuuvas for making this video and showing that there is more controllers out there, not just the big brands!

[@aweigh1010]

just get a bunch of controllers

[@HelloImCrimson]

Get it now. It has better everythinf including battery life

[@leoblack8497]

@@HelloImCrimson the only thing stopping me is knowing that I can't change battery and will have to change it once battery is used up

[@aweigh1010]

@@leoblack8497 Battery will last longer than your regular Xbox controller lasts overall.

[@n64slayer]

I love reviews that don't beat around the bush and give the the raw data. tbh I haven't cared once about how the plastic of the controller feels or how the controller feels slightly different in my hands. Mad props to you 👏

[@ofeklivny]

I really like the honest info and straighforward explanations, kudos! I will get this controller when its back to like 50$

[@hitsukora]

How does the Vader 4 Pro do against the Apex 4? Are there any benefits to the Apex 4 still? Only things I really care about are Joysticks, Buttons and DPad feeling/accuracy, the extra features I am not too concerned about.

[@Phantoma3]

The music is too loud

[@brentsmith-d8h]

I could hardly hear my Baby Shark over the smooth Jazz! 😠

[@s7r49]

I was thinking it was too quiet

[@UnsungPhoenix]

Turn your volume down

[@cookiemonster4967]

Thank you so much for reviewing this controller. I need this info.

[@PaperRouteFranky]

you've earned a subscription sir. Thank you for this. I've already owned the Vader 4 Pro for about 1 1/2 weeks and this was the most informative review yet!

[@StevenWaltersLicon]

Hello, on a scale of 1-10, may I have your score for the controller please

[@PaperRouteFranky]

@@StevenWaltersLicon 9/10 honestly the only thing i wish it was is a bit heavier. Amazing controller overall!!!

[@MadeOfEarth1]

AC Black Flag! What year is this?

[@shampo0157]

Love the time you put in this video just got a new subscriber keep up the great work pal.

[@TheSkepticSkwerl]

You actually divide the polling time in half and add that to the other options. Because you poll every 60 seconds. If the flag raised at 59s and you poll at 60. It was 1 second delay there. But on average it'll be 30. Where the 10hz polling rate would be 3s average. And so on.

[@riman8493]

Awesome review! Thank you very much! Been thinking of upgrading from my old, wired xbox 360 controller for a while. This looks like it will fit the bill! Cheers!

[@Tuuvas]

You will definitely be happy! Just keep in mind, this controller only works on PC/Android/iOS/Nintendo Switch.

[@riman8493]

@@Tuuvas I only play on PC, so should be golden.

[@DisposeHasNoDad]

Once I heard Tension adjusting dials I was sold 😂

[@donnygunawan123]

i hope they updated the software for the direwolf 2 too.. i need that circle / square menu and also auto calibration mode

[@jubuttib]

I take slight issue with the polling rate explanation, mainly because the devices get polled at a (more or less) constant rate, and the actual delay depends on when exactly the state change happens in relation to the polling. So if you had a 1 Hz polling rate, and you pressed the button right after the device had been already polled, you'd have to wait for a second before the next poll would register the press. If you pressed the button 999 ms after a poll, the next poll would happen 1 ms later and the press would be registered almost instantly. Basically you could have almost anything between 1 second and 1 millisecond as the delay caused by the polling rate. Sometimes I wish we could still do interrupt based input devices more easily... =)

[@Tuuvas]

Lol I'll be honest, I did consider adding a "timing" portion to this explanation, but it would've added unnecessary bloat to an already confusing topic. I made the regretful decision to keep things simple.

[@jubuttib]

@@Tuuvas Fair, but I still take issue! =) I tend to think about the polling rate as annoying kids in the backseat going "Are you pressing it yet?" over and over, and the faster the polling rate the more annoying the kids... =)

[@vovazagach1781]

So what setting I should use for comfort gaming?

[@Tuuvas]

Leave it on the highest setting. If you experience any weirdness like choppy movement, lower it.

[@vovazagach1781]

@@Tuuvas Thanks 👍

[@DamianDejmi]

Which controller should I buy. I can order flydigi only from China in my country. I have 100$ for it but I want the controller to last atleast 2 years. Im very gentle with my controller so they only can broke when poor quality. Im thinking about Apex 4 Vader 3/4 pro guilkit kk3 max or gamesir kaleid. Please help me beacuse my xbox series broke after 1,5 year. Im playing racing games and soulslike. Im thinking of playing fps on controller but its not main thing. Im playing only on Pc I just want this controller to have good quality and last long.

[@jardygiovan]

@@DamianDejmi I don't have my controller yet, but I'm researching a lot for the past month, and the conclusion I got is that Vader 4 Pro is the best option for comfort and longevity for many factors, and I would disclassify any controller with removable back buttons or swappable directional sets. If it is removable, is easily breakable based on a lot of user reviews. Finding negative reviews of Vader 4 has been a challenge compared to any other controller I know of.

[@DamianDejmi]

@@jardygiovan I have it for 2 weeks So good controller beating bosses in soulslike never benn such as good as now

[@Basqui.]

I also use gyro + right analog stick for some of my games, but with a PS4 Controller. What I do so that the gyro does not interfere with the aiming sensitivity when using the analog stick is to set that gyro automatically gets disabled when the analog stick is used. I use steam controller settings to set that up, though, so I don't know if that's possible with you.

[@Amon-gh1ex]

hey Tuuvas, imo, if you want to check tension of the joystick, you can use a piece of paper

[@astreakaito5625]

Excellent. I love how you use a flight sim to test the joystick, great idea! Thank you. About the Gyro issue you mention, this looks normal to me because you likely set the gyro output to... a right stick output. Obvious this is going to add up to the existing physicial right stick output. The reason people like Gyro aiming is that with an app like DS4W you can output the gyro to a mouse instead. This way the output of both at the same time shouldn't conflict. I'm actually still on the fence about this controller because nobody testing it atm seems to know how to setup gyro for videogames even though it should be straight forward: just use the Flydigi app to output the gyro to mouse movement.. Which I don't even know if they offer this option, dunno if they support emulating mouse to right stick (useful for some games), I don't know if this controller is otherwise supported in DS4W app, I don't know how Rewasd or Steam Input would recognize it and if 3axis Gyro would be recognized on both, etc etc. I'm only familiar with Gyro aiming on a Dualsense and it's perfect with DS4W but obviously Dualsenses have a stick drift issue so I'm looking to replace it.

[@Tuuvas]

See, I thought that as well regarding the gyro issue just adding onto the right stick since I was moving it too. But as you can see at 17:00, I made sure to keep the controller planted on the table. This allowed me to activate the gyro without actually moving it, and despite that I still saw the jump in the input.

[@146ix]

Would you say the Vader 4 is a good roller for competive CoD/Apex? My biggest gripe with HE stick rollers is the non-linear response curve most have, which makes them not usable for me as competitive fps's is what I mostly play. I just want a roller with 2 back buttons, 1000hz polling, and that it feels like a sony roller with alps sticks

[@Tuuvas]

According to Ana and Johnny Punch (well regarded controller testers), the linearity is near perfect on the Vader 4 Pro. I highly recommend looking up Ana's review of the V4Pro if you want specific tech specs

[@carlitos05]

Upvoted for MS paint explanation

[@brentsmith-d8h]

You know a website is up and coming when they pay the MSPaint license fee.

[@hantuan107]

just got mine brand new vader 4 pro for $70 discounted and it's been the most satisfying upgrade in PC gaming i've had in years! so long sticky xbox one controller, you belong in the trashbin now

[@Zefyron667]

Great review, I do have a question though; how noisy are the face buttons when they click? Compared to, say, a standard xbox series controller?

[@Tuuvas]

The sound is about as loud as the dpad on an Xbox Series controller. It's not the same type of sound, but loudness is about the same. Same goes for the Vader 4 Pro dpad.

[@jersonlucero4611]

great review. i was wondering what is the battery life with full rumble and rgb on

[@michaelgleason4791]

Any idea when these will be back in stock?

[@shfd3832]

Thanks for explanation❤❤

[@theleftfootedsultan]

I saw some early concerns about the tension dials, either fear of moving them by mistake or just general criticism that there’s seemingly no way to lock them in place. I assume you didn’t have any issues, because it didn’t come up?

[@Tuuvas]

Correct. I've had zero issue with accidentally bumping them out of my desired tension zone, and they have enough friction that they wouldn't just spin out of place while aggressively shaking the controller. No issues there for mine.

[@HelloImCrimson]

Its literally impossible to bump them or touch them accidentaly

[@vulcan4d]

So hard to give up the Xbox chat pad.....

[@DokSpec]

Awesome Video.. i love my vader 4 pro. I Hope you get the machenike g6 pro starlight too compare

[@brentgamboa9426]

are the rear buttons, aka back buttons mechanical??? and how does the dpad feel? for fighting games exactly

[@Tuuvas]

The C, Z, M1, M2, M3, and M4 buttons are technically mechanical, but definitely not as clicky as the ABXY and Dpad. As for the d-pad for fighting games, my thoughts on that are at 17:42. In summary: fantastic.

[@brentgamboa9426]

@@Tuuvas Well that's a fucking good video! thank you for the response! and probably they've used the old mechanical buttons on those "extra" buttons so I'm fine with that as long as the dpas and primary buttons feel good

[@sharkinu3032]

Hey Tuuvas I just bought this order and I am planning some dcs on it. Do you mind sharing some of the important settinf adjustments relative to the game ?

[@Tuuvas]

All the settings adjustments I would recommend are in the tutorial I linked at the end of the video. Everything after that is per-user preference. So things like axis tune.. graphics settings.. Force Trim behavior.. etc. Just play with DCS and browse through the different options to see what all you can adjust to your tastes.

[@Linux88899]

should i buy EasySMX X10 or xbox controller for single player gaming on pc?

[@146ix]

do you know how to completely reset the flydigi vader 4 pro. after i calibrated it it felt worse n nothing im resetting makes it feel better

[@Goshakovski]

can you turn off the gyro?

[@Tuuvas]

Yes

[@Eagle015]

You should add the controller layouts for the fc2024 planes😊

[@bakerman_xd]

hey nice review

[@shotarcherz1690]

Do you know if the apex 4 will get a circularity update instead of just rectangular mode?

[@docholliday1811]

Awesome, thank you.

[@Tuuvas]

No problem, Doc!

[@imleozx2808]

Do I have to eject the dongle properly ? Or I can eject it straight away without any issue.

[@Tuuvas]

I never choose the eject option, but you should still take care not to remove it while saving a profile, performing a firmware update, etc.

[@KaosDarkness]

Thanks for the deep dive into the D-pad (sarcasm) it was the only thing that interested me

[@Tuuvas]

D-pad is solid. I thought I covered it enough with the overview showing its clickiness as well as its ability to keep up with my fighting game part of the review. If you want more detail, I recommend Gamer Heaven's review

[@αεεμ-ω5σ]

Flydigi controllers are durable?

[@ryozaki96]

I don't like how the 5th and 6th buttons are awkwardly placed

[@shfd3832]

Suggest a controller that imitates dual sense adaptive triggers and Haptic feedback

[@xDShot9000]

Apex 4

[@_JuicyJ]

I can’t find this controller in stock. I really don’t trust ordering off Ali Express. Possible to get a knock off version.

[@filipstojanovic8975]

Hello, will I be able to play COD via steam with the vader 4 pro? As in all buttons are available, usable and remapping supported? Or do I have to do it over battlenet.

[@Tuuvas]

You can with Steam. Just make sure the Flydigi Space Station software is running and has the remaps you want

[@filipstojanovic8975]

@@Tuuvas Thx

[@pondtheerachot454]

In ur opinion, Xbox wireless controller and Vader 4 pro which one you think it’s better and recommend?

[@Tuuvas]

Want to play on Xbox? Xbox controller. Want to play on PC, Android, iOS, or Switch? Vader 4 Pro absolutely. Still want to play on Xbox anyways? Vader 4 Pro + costly adapter that might allow it to work

[@pondtheerachot454]

@@Tuuvas Okay, Thank you

[@001wizeman]

Kontrol freeks fit?

[@joshua767]

I wanted to ask whether you can use analog triggers and gyro at the same time, I've been looking for a controller and i heard switch controllers won't allow to do both, and my best option is a PS4 controller (spark n5)

[@Tuuvas]

So, the reason for that is because most controllers that have a "Nintendo Switch Controller" mode, like NS mode shown for this Vader 4 Pro, turns the analog triggers into digital on/off buttons. This is because the Nintendo Switch doesn't actually use analog triggers for any of its controllers. That said, you can absolutely use both analog triggers and a gyro at the same time with this Vader 4 Pro. Just don't use NS mode, and instead use dongle mode.

[@joshua767]

@@Tuuvas thanks a lot for the help

[@viniciosdsgn]

When I remove the lock from the LT RT and leave it longer it doesn't work, only when I leave it short do you know why?

[@Tuuvas]

I have two possible guesses: 1. You're not on Dongle mode and are instead using Nintendo Switch (NS) mode or 2. You need to calibrate your device. If #2, you calibrate by turning on the controller, pressing and holding Start+Select+DpadUp until the light flashes, fully rotating both sticks couple times, pressing each trigger fully a couple times, then press Start+Select+DpadUp to finish calibrating.

[@viniciosdsgn]

@@Tuuvas Estoy en la pc, hice la calibración antes

[@D2firetech]

Great video could you rev6the machenike g6 pro starflash? No one has

[@김민호-c9i]

does it connect by Bluetooth to the steam deck out of the box? cause I saw it doesn't with PC

[@xDShot9000]

Dongle on Xinput, Bluetooth on Xinput, Switch Mode

[@Msfasolin]

Does it have adaptive trigger?

[@Tuuvas]

The triggers at best only have a haptic feedback feature, but no definitely not force feedback like in the Apex 4 or DualSense

[@Alt4i_]

Phil Spencer soll die Firma schnell kaufen wenn er vernünftige Controller haben will für sein Call of Duty 😂

[@Phoenix5uper]

anyone was use on this controller can info 800mah how many hours can it last ?

[@Bāz.Falcon]

Where have you been mate???

[@Tuuvas]

Twitch! Well, that and a ton of content prep work like templates.. libraries of music/clips.. script writing.. etc lol. Hopefully we'll see the fruits of all that prep work soon enough!

[@Bāz.Falcon]

@@Tuuvas Nice to see you back!!! and cant wait for the other contents you have been working on. I have a question about Flydigi Controller. Can we fly Su27 with this controller without constantly trimming the jet or can i auto trim it?

[@Tuuvas]

Unfortunately no. No matter what kind of controller you use (gamepad, flight stick, HOTAS, simpit), you must trim the Flankers to get them to cooperate. They're quite the hassle to fly.

[@ALEX336X]

This can be used wired on Xbox?

[@Tuuvas]

No. PC, Android, iOS, and Nintendo Switch are the only officially supported devices

[@ALEX336X]

@@Tuuvas yeah, thanks. Apparently there are adapters you can buy that make it usable on Xbox. The controller was actually in stock at Amazon so I grabbed one. Worse case scenario I just use it on PC.

[@itsjcob4570]

Do you have to charge if you only use wired?

[@Tuuvas]

USB cable will keep it charged. I haven't tested to see if it depletes energy faster than it charges... but I can't imagine that being the case.

[@itsjcob4570]

@@Tuuvas appreciate it

[@vovazagach1781]

What do you mean by USB cable will keep it charged?,

[@Tuuvas]

The controller has a battery. And a USB C cable connected to a power source will charge the controller...

[@vovazagach1781]

@@Tuuvas So the controller works from battery even if I use cable? So what should I do when battery dies, get a new controller or what, I wanna know can I play only with cable without using the battery at all?

[@fares55q45]

سؤال كيف استفيد من الازرار الزايدة؟ ما لقيت اي احد يشرح بشكل واضح

[@rolzmusictest2591]

من البرنامج نفسه، انت تحدد وش تبغاها تكون

[@abhijeetdey]

Is this wireless on xbox?

[@Tuuvas]

Only PC, Android, iOS, and Nintendo Switch are officially supported

[@McGregor43]

For COD, I'd say use reWASD to get the gyro to work but COD bans reWASD :[

[@fares55q45]

كان شرح ممتاز انا ما اعرف اللغه الانجليزيه بشكل جيد لاكني فهمت شرح المقطع من 70% إلى 85% كان شرح جميل جداا اتمنى لو فيه ترجمه عربي شكرا لك على وقتك وجهدك في المقطع بالتوفيق

[@zman2159]

Won’t let me download the software 😭

[@ChristianTM-_-s]

Awesome review!

[@sayibandsusu5013]

Nice

[@abhijeetdey]

The background music is too loud

[@ShayanNick]

Bro your background music is so load !

[@ashwrightyy]

Mine only has a manual in chinese

[@YISP7]

Background music is too loud and a bit annoying. Good review otherwise👍

[@curtisdoughtyx1347]

Can I buy the controller from you it’s out of stock for me

[@Jewls838]

man i hoard this controller if only the sticks were the same set up as the playstations. I cannot reprogram my muscle memory and hand placement for the life of me for xbox setup controllers

[@MarioGoatse]

Brother it sounds like you’re doing this review in a restaurant with a very loud pianist. It’s unwatchable.

[@Tuuvas]

Interesting. This is actually the first time people are mentioning anything about the background music over the last several review videos. In your opinion, would it be better to axe the music entirely? Or just simply tone it down so it's barely audible?

[@MarioGoatse]

@@Tuuvas Personally I don’t think the music fits at all, but another song or genre will. Just tone it down so it’s barely audible without focusing on it. I use headphones when watching KZbin, so I tend to notice weird audio mixing. Maybe people on their phones with less dynamic speakers don’t notice it? Phone speakers tend to be tuned towards to highlighting voices.

[@clappncheekzzz7765]

The music gotta go

[@iyeetsecurity922]

@@clappncheekzzz7765 Make your own video then ya crybaby.