King of the Table 12 Rules Meeting

[@Intellectmatters2304]

Devon makes great points here, there should be some standard rules in place to avoid these problems though

[@hurricaneaquatics]

This is what happens when you let people make rules who really aren't experienced in arm wrestling. Yes, Devon makes excellent points and everyone of the competitors agree with him.

[@FiNN--]

@@hurricaneaquatics obviously they didnt all agree with him bc they voted lul

[@hurricaneaquatics]

@@FiNN-- yes, I posted that before the video was finished haha. They really do need a governance ruleset.

[@axt_messer_survival]

Devon bringt gar nichts, außer seinen frust das sein "under the table "fucking bull shit so nicht mehr durchgehen wird.

[@3wod590]

I’m sorry but this is absolutely ridiculous. The fact that there are still rule disputes at this point in the sport shows how armwreslting is still far from being taken seriously. We need universal rules already

[@aromalsuresh290]

The strict rules like waf will make it boring

[@Lagia7]

​@@aromalsuresh290 Thats not what OP is advocating for

[@HafizShivji786]

​@@aromalsuresh290you can't have Running foul rules & stop fouls altogether coz that complicates everything. You either have running fouls or stop fouls. Just make it simple. If athletes themselves are struggling to understand what about average fans?

[@larsheuker]

To be fair, mixed martial arts have different rules and gloves often too. Even in Karate they have like 5 different systems

[@AlSemz]

Been saying this for a while, just make the EvW rules the standard. Take a few of the top guys/girls from every weight class, have them review a standardization of the rules come to an agreement and say these are the rules from now on for every event with EvW and KOTT the only difference being, there are no weight classes in KOTT and all matches are 7 rounds.

[@BlakeGibbons]

"Dangerous position" fouls on a professional stage are an absolute JOKE

[@massduppaddict]

At what point do u stop a guy from cheating to win the match

[@Lagia7]

​​@@massduppaddict Thats the point. It shouldnt be a foul for endangering your own health, it should be a foul because it is an unfair competitive advantage. And I dont even know why Alexandr used that reasoning here, danger is not why the rule was invented...

[@AndriaJakhveladze]

Armwrestling is the only sport that needs to have rules meeting before every single event

[@matt_555]

Exactly, never understood this...

[@exdablju]

Lol not. Strongmen also.

[@sm6086]

What's wrong with a rules meeting anyways

[@scottbailey3504]

No it’s not all combative sports do it every time

[@danviridian]

It's so silly

[@michaelworkspace]

The single biggest change to propel armwrestling as a mainstream sport is to have a standardize universal ruleset. That’s it! Why can we not do this???

[@seekthe9]

Idk. You really think would-be fans or sponsors go "wait, you are telling me there are small changes to the rules between different events?! I'm out" Growing armwrestling is tricky because outsiders think it is as 1-dimensional as lunch room armwrestling as a kid, which isn't the case

[@HumptyHampi]

When ppl start listen to Devon… I mean his knowledge and sense for match entertainment is second to none.

[@provingastrology4471]

Drives me insane.

[@Mayordomo32]

Half of these guys don't even know what is being discussed here, and are then asked to vote

[@Jason-wv2db]

Cause it’s hard to understand they’re waffling

[@kimankersen1750]

WHY NOT THE SAME FUC::: RULES from event to event ????

[@lethargicastengah572]

To rig results

[@iliketocomment8144]

Because that’s not how that works.

[@axt_messer_survival]

die regeln sind schon lange ein witz! es wäre zeit nicht nur einheitliche regeln zu schaffen, sondern die "under the table "scheisse entgültig zu verbieten. die manipulation muß verschwinden, dann gewinnen solche wie larratt keinen blumentopf

[@ARMWRESTLINGNEWZ]

This is seriously depressing to watch.

[@HafizShivji786]

Athletes themselves look confuse what about average fans? Referees themselves couldn't defend what they were saying so lets "Vote" WTF? 🤦

[@sanhtu77]

all this shit is devon and queensmovers faults.

[@Lagia7]

​@@sanhtu77 It really isnt. This is an armwrestling problem. The sport in general needs to get its shit together

[@pawelh]

@@HafizShivji786 countless time we had situation when Ray, Travis of Neil didn't know what is happeing in the match cause the rules are fcked...

[@HafizShivji786]

​@@pawelhagree 💯 what a shame .. even chance Shaw vs Devon match 1st round Neil & ray looked confused 🤦

[@khalid_amiin]

Both vresh and toddzilla pull in dangerous position ( break arm/open arm side pressure) and would be fouled out to pull in their signature styles

[@HafizShivji786]

Exactly hence RVJ said there's no dangerous position 🤷

[@jackstoepfer1494]

Pros should not have danger position

[@HafizShivji786]

This is exactly what Devon said 🤣

[@Neilpickpocket]

The is embarrassing. The rules should be set and known well before the event. There shouldn't be dangerous position fouls. Shoulder in decline position is a foul because of a competitive advantage. In theory running fouls that make sense and are enforced correctly are best. However it seems non-practical at this stage. Stopped match fouls have their flaws but are the simplest to ref and understand. It seems quite clear that everyone voting on stopped match or running fouls thought they were voting for the entire rule set. Not just for the "dangerous position" foul. When watching I thought they were getting somewhere but nope.

[@Mr.Walrus23]

Exactly. Same for communism, great in theory, terrible in practise. The only way to make running fouls work is: 1) all small and semi size fouls are called as runners 2) massive fouls result in a loss for one side. This way, you can not stop the by lifting your elbow one meter into the air cause you'll lose the round. If this is not implemented then stop-foul system is the way to go.

[@Lagia7]

Messy disaster as usual. I will never show an armwrestling rules meeting to a friend

[@HafizShivji786]

Agree!! They need to make it simple instead of complicating it

[@danviridian]

Agreed, useless

[@lethargicastengah572]

Like Brzenk said, the rules should not matter much. A good player will adapt to the rules and deal with it.

[@Lagia7]

​@@lethargicastengah572 I dont agree with that statement either. We just need to get the rules fucking finalized already instead of introducing changes and explaining it all the time again and again. No athlete should have to endure this mess and confusion anymore. Not to mention the rules themselves are simply bad imo. Enough is enough

[@lethargicastengah572]

@@Lagia7 Well John isn't saying it doesn't need to be consistent. But for "universal rules" this shouldn't be necessary. Like some ruleset may be far more ideal for tournaments, but not for super match PPVs.

[@PatelPresh]

This doesn’t look good. This needs to be reviewed and fixed.

[@zayas6999]

These refs are at a loss. They know that it's all about THEIR OPINION and Devon is just fronting them about it.... No concrete rules. This is a joke and is limiting the awesome competition. Also, look how aggressive the ref is when speaking lololololol

[@drummmer05]

its bs... let the FIGHTERS VOTE & Make the rules!!! its THEIR Bodies... their matches... their events!!! ; refs or promoters have NO RIGHT pushing 'their style' or opinion onto every1 else!!! they're about "1 stupid" rule away from losing Devon , Mmt, who dont ND them... if they foul the kings move, I wd literally leave the match, say fk yall, & take your 'million plus' viewers w. you!!! ; engin & refs better LISTEN to devon & respect the wishes of the PULLERS! Its NOT about you wannabee, big ego,. try'n to "control" something nobody's! Stay OUT OF IT!

[@lethargicastengah572]

Refs should have common sense and not be submissive. The rules should not matter too much. If it does then clearly a player is misbehaving and being unsportsmanlike.

[@Martinkuhnemma]

I hate to say this. Because i fucking hate the kingsmove😂but i agree 110% with Devon on this one. I never thought i would say this

[@Mayordomo32]

The refs are not your mothers to protect you from dangerous position.

[@Dmgolfer22]

Listen. It’s really really simple. If you want to have running fouls adopt the WAL running foul system. Just like Devon is saying call every foul that happens as a runner then 3 fouls you lose. The Armwars style some running some stoppage fouls or having refs call some fouls but not others is just opening the door to controversy and over complicates it. WAL perfected the running foul system. You don’t have to be WAL, just use their running foul system with competent refs. And for the love of god if you’re doing running fouls the ref HAS to verbalize to the athletes and audience loudly that there’s been a running foul called.

[@decarthes]

What I would only add to WAL rules is the kings move rule. Aside from that, WAL was great.

[@Dmgolfer22]

@@decarthes well WAL’s rule on that was that same as WAF. Shoulder not supposed to go below elbow pad level in neutral or losing position. Not as strict as EVW with humorous rule but the same rule that’s always been. Maybe it wasn’t called a few times.

[@hurricaneaquatics]

If I might quote the great Clint Eastwood "This is a Cluster Duck".

[@spacerider12]

Every foul should always be a running foul!! Otherwise the athlete that fouls literally gets an advantage. Its a get out of jail free card. Basically an extra life every single round by literally doing something forbidden. Crazy

[@jababijamovi5088]

Fix your rules guys this is terrible for the sport.. Every event different rules..What are we doing now really???

[@Syntox94]

And i always feel bad for the non English speaking armwrestlers at the rules meeting.

[@johannsebastianbach6282]

Tired of these refs, we want bill!

[@Jason-wv2db]

Yep bill sets it straight, it’s black and white with him

[@AndriaJakhveladze]

whole rules system is just garbage

[@Smiley-187]

They need to finally come up with universal rules for all KING and EVW matches it’s time

[@vutsxx]

Simple: Huge faults that give advantage are stop faults, the opposite are running faults. And yes, between professionals, theres NO DANGEROUS POSITION. Edit: ALL faults are running seems better when you think that, even If advantage is gained, The Win would not count, because of The faults. Its better

[@Mr.Walrus23]

So you can just make a massive foul and get a restart... This is going straight against the point of running fouls aka keeping the match going... Been watching these rule meetings since the second or third and I have probably received serious brain damage from these.

[@Dmgolfer22]

No. That’s over complicating it. WAL running foul system is the way. All fouls running and call every foul. In your situation it defeats the purpose of having running fouls.

[@vutsxx]

@@Mr.Walrus23 so, even If The person gains The advantage, and Win The round, They do not get any point for It? That seems right to me

[@DashDrones]

Stop complaining, it's still going to be an amazing night. 💪

[@Xabi_MM]

Great production work. However, I suggest working on the audio a little bit. Maybe adding compression (or stronger compression in case there is already) and elevating the overall volume.

[@antiVeganism-pf3on]

This is what happens when people like Don Idrees run a sports company but don't know the sport and are nit really interested in the sport and are unable to set solid, meaningful rules after 11 events. Ridiculous management.

[@MC-jy3tr]

Funny all the talking that rules are for devon when actually its the exact opposite. Litetlaly targeted the kings move lol. Which he doesn't full kings much anymore anyway.

[@HumptyHampi]

You cannot do this to professional sport… set of rules, no discussions. For supermatch format there should be one universal set of rules for every organization. This is rly stupid..

[@provingastrology4471]

Yeah, and everyone should know the rules when they sign the contract not when the refs show up and decide that they have a “good idea”

[@BlakeGibbons]

Way to convolute and complicate the simplest sport there is lol

[@mechanicgray]

Wtf was this? A rules argument. Whos in charge here? 😂

[@jetfu400]

what the hell is happening? this ruleset is confusing as heck

[@kevinreilly7924]

Both refs trying to explain at the same time is ridiculous and confusing. Lots of bad calls will be made I think for every match

[@RaymanFUN]

Gotta love Devon!

[@VollKaracho209]

Let's see how it will play out guys...

[@provingastrology4471]

Fire these refs! Devon is an expert in Professional armwrestling and promoting the sport. These idiots go to circle jerk once a year and think they know what arm wrestling should be.

[@jababijamovi5088]

Reasons i dont buy PPV anymore: 1. This is embarassing for someone being introduced to become armwrestling fan. They look like drunk people who argue about something that they are not sure about... 2. Audio is bad EVERY event Even amateur youtubers have better audio somehow. 3. Every event we see matches are decided by WRONG foul decisions (biggest example devon vs genadi and MANY MANY more matches) 4. Rules are just random and never universal which makes it boring to watch and learn the sport(running foul-stop foul-humerous-shoulder etc.) Btw funny thing, the ref was saying in this video "we can vote now" SERIOUSLY? Inventing new rules every event and asking competitors about what rules there should be? This looks like armwrestling has just been discovered. Embarassing af.

[@erichschader1079]

drunk on testosterone 😆

[@jdmurfreesboro2738]

An y’all trying to get this Sport in the Olympics. SMH

[@artemkurovsky9937]

Why can't you use East vs West rules? Running fauls are ridiculous

[@Plexpara]

Well..they could ask why they cant use their rules.

[@BlakeGibbons]

They like to keep things confusing at KOTT! Never know what's actually happening until it does

[@Astro-us3fd]

Running fouls are stupid because if you foul accidentally, you have to pin to not loose the match which makes you loose energy for no reason. This is what happened to Ivan, if they did all stop fouls Ivan would have beaten morozov.

[@ProgressiveRevelation]

Stop with this running fouls nonsense already. Go with the EvW system and all good.

[@ToddOleg]

This ONLY happens with ONE arm wrestler. Guess who…

[@mikkamaytsunemori9576]

Behind this rules wants devon to lose.. and we know him The puppet master 😂

[@worldslightestweightportab2837]

Leonardo " It's for my advantage"... Devon - "No no it's not about that... I don't care I'm going to beat you anyway "...

[@crazydolphin33]

What's the rules in world championship arm wrestling? "I don't know, they change them every week" Sounds legit.

[@jckdnls9292]

it just really looks like KOT's production quality is going down

[@pawelh]

Those Rules Meeting are always a joke, nobody knows anything... how the fck is possible to have such a heated debate about the rules like day before. It should be clear and obvious months ago.

[@Amoroso-Arm-Wrestling]

Why dont the just let the refs decide and that be what it is. What sport do the athletes decide the specific rule set

[@d_no_allyn_86]

What a mess😅

[@necro_ok]

why are these two refs always failing to understand the km foul is for humerus in a DECLINE position, they always call it as soon as its straight

[@ServenRiantoResantika]

Why can't we use 1 rule book for every event .? Changing the rules every event makes it complicated. It makes me think that, they're adjusting the rules, because they receive money behind the scenes or they want to make a certain person have a disadvantage. You can't call Arm wrestling a combat sport if there's no danger. Athletes should be allowed to be in a dangerous position. It shows how much they want to win. The athletes know better if they are in a dangerous, if they want to give up or if they want to keep pulling in that position. It makes the sport boring. It holds the sport back.

[@jzflmr6089]

What a mass

[@natedross-m4t]

take a shot every time someone says foul

[@Sumppa]

In the meantime Levan is quiet and accepts any rules in any event and wins. That is the difference between the best and the others

[@franciskennethmagali7084]

So what dicky

[@East_Referees_Vs_West]

Levan is outside everyone’s weight class. He’s not good he’s just big and takes more peds than everyone else. Bro will be in a wheelchair by the time he’s 40 if he keeps taking those drugs.

[@mikesanythingoutdoors9153]

Levan's not competing there anyway

[@greathkahnshah9957]

“Dangerous position rule” to me is ridiculous. At this level of arm wrestling, these guys have loads of knowledge and experience in their sport. The athletes have to dictate whether they are willing to risk it by going into a “dangerous position” to win the match or losing the match. That is the beauty of the sport in the first place because you can see their fighting spirit.

[@ccbgaming6994]

The athletes actually voted on the spot…

[@mihaiopreq1081]

Who are making this stupid rules ???? Is ridiculous is gonna create massive confusion !!Coresports cmon you see so many negative comments by us the people who buy the ppv , just sort this out !!!

[@lobo53695]

Random observation, but aw refs never age. Bill Collins and Hristo haven't aged noticeably in the last 20 years 😂

[@e-ton2145]

Well, at least Leonidas was happy with the system. I do think it’s in his advantage.

[@HafizShivji786]

He just doesn't have table IQ hence Devon kalinicheko & Rob were very engaged

[@e-ton2145]

@@HafizShivji786 he’s probably thinking at least he won’t get completely bled out by a King’s Move.

[@HafizShivji786]

@@e-ton2145 Devon wont need kingsmove to destroy Leonidas .. it's opposite Leonidas will need kingsmove just like he needed against Larry

[@e-ton2145]

@@HafizShivji786 could be. Either way, that match is probably going to be longer with more stoppages than it would have been if all fouls were runners.

[@HafizShivji786]

@@e-ton2145 I don't think so .. Devon with left is completely different didn't waste much time with Georgi sandris tsovnev Kamil kalinicheko & won't be different with Leo except would be a slotter

[@JohnHughesTR]

Foul system is a joke, why are we still changing and doing new things at this point

[@erichschader1079]

I hope they start using running fouls to make the pulling last longer

[@VollKaracho209]

That's what I thought at first. Less stoppages and more pulling but...! They said "Puller1 fouls, Puller2 can just stop or foul themself" to restart the pull. Which in the end might even result in more resets than with the old rules.

[@AdamLighter1]

@@VollKaracho209 In reality, most fouls are small fouls that give no advantage and hence the puller who didnt foul is incentivized to pull. Just think a little bit...

[@VollKaracho209]

@@AdamLighter1 What is incentivizing the guy who didn't foul to keep pulling? I must've missed that. On a side note, telling me to "just think a bit" is pretty disrespectful and I'm wondering what made you think you needed to tell me that bs?

[@daveheath19900]

ENGIN NEEDS TO STEP UP, MAKE THE RULES AND KEEP THEM A STANDARD IN EVERY MATCH GOING FORWARD. Enough with the rule changes every event cause Devon wants it his way.

[@chuggingtonn8923]

The king's move to automatic stop gives the fouler the advantage - he gets a stop and restart right away and the foul. Otherwise, the king's mover, if a running foul, would have to win to get a stop and a foul and the non-king's mover could get the stop and no foul by being the second athlete to foul. They should all be running fouls.

[@ServenRiantoResantika]

Sometimes, it makes me think that, all of this is because of Devon Larratt. They don't want him to have an advantage. First, they went from 30 or 1 minute rest to 3 minutes, because he has great endurance. Now it's all about the Kingsmove 😂.

[@kimankersen1750]

Coresport is starting to suck pretty bad.

[@zackhorrell61]

The point of all fouls being running fouls is to stop people intentionally getting out of matches when it is not going well for them. Downside is that when the foul is unintentional then a person is forced to stay and try and win an entire round simply to earn a restart and not win the round. So if the foul is small and accidental this can seem wrong/unfair.

[@zackhorrell61]

Also if a person does foul intentional or largely and gains advantage then the match keeps going they could be putting extra damage/fatigue/injury on the opponent. So even if they can’t win here it can be disadvantageous to the person fouled against for the overall match.

[@zackhorrell61]

Personally i think it needs to be more nuance where the referee makes some fouls running and some as a stop based on his assessment of the situation and how major/impactful the foul is. And then fouls judged as intentional are loses. Requires competent referees.

[@erichschader1079]

@@zackhorrell61 but the person who didn't foul has the option to lay down or take their arm off the table for a restart, they make the decision

[@zackhorrell61]

@@erichschader1079 True, yea so that does make it better.

[@AdamLighter1]

Buddy, its not unfair, its a foul. You fouled so you reap the consequences...

[@gaira777]

Why they don’t stick with previous KOTT rules or EvW rules, simple right, why keep changing rules anyway😅, so complicated,no standard rules & refree looks so cofused🙃

[@TheRealStreetJoker]

Devon is pure knowledge, these people haven’t got a clue! Just set standard rules for all organisations ffs.

[@amcmanusmusic]

As a casual observer who knows very little, I don’t know if Devon is making great points or if he actually doesn’t really care what the rules are and just wants to create complete confusion. 😂

[@yargienimanuel]

#letitbreak

[@chronocommander007]

Let's make the rules more complicated! 🤣

[@michaelcook6483]

KEEP YOUR ELBOW ON THE PAD. SIMPLE

[@hotguysixpacks7524]

I think Devon doesn’t need kingmove to defeat Leonidas

[@domepuncher]

So ridiculous this "dangerous position" nonsense. Make it consistent and uniform across all events. Do you know there is a sport called MMA that is extremely dangerous?

[@danviridian]

Total unprofessional shambles again

[@Richard-tj1yh]

Clownfiesta haha

[@Sinkatze]

Everything was perfectly clear thank you. This is why we cant be in the Olympics

[@Zigarettenfilter]

What the actual fock

[@JonathanGagner-e3o]

Dangerous possession for the referee 🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕

[@glenns001]

Where's Bill?

[@zackhorrell61]

Of course Devon is absolutely right here. It should be treated the same as all other fouls. Makes no logical sense and is not congruent as a professional sporting rule set.

[@MrRonniediamond]

Interesting discussion. Surprised the refs were willing to cast a vote and change the kings move foul rule on the spot. Corey is the man. Go gorilla.

[@daveheath19900]

I think the rules should stay the way they are and stop FUCKING CHANGING because someone keeps whining about the rules.

[@potatomaster3d661]

Shoulve been classic stop foul

[@rainblue8005]

The first thought I had few mins into this vid is: " why are they discussing the rules lmfao?" Shouldnt the athletes just get informed about them? you can literally bargain for them. Its so sad its funny

[@Hittman8499]

Devon IS RIGHT. What an absolute JOKE

[@axt_messer_survival]

Devon ist der witz !!!

[@almost10000]

This system is way to complicated, just give all fouls

[@TravisBaginashvili]

Why is flop wrist press a stop foul 😂

[@Justin-pt9pt]

Someone with a fucking EGO made the rules!

[@Jason-wv2db]

I’m very knowledgeable when it comes to Armwrestling and positions but this is absolutely crazy it’s a mess and sloppy

[@jachyatlas]

So much messy arguing for a simple rule set. You see that same theme when the athletes and the refs argue for 80% of most matches. Very amateur for people who want the sport to be taken seriously

[@aaronfiddy4260]

Stupid rules

[@DiRazor]

Wow, referries are thinking about armwrestling rules in general (so people don't train dangerous positions) and Devon can only think of himself. I understand that they are pros and there are no dangerous positions for them, but still, there is armwrestling in general, where people should not try to break their arms.

[@FerminaCaggiano-u8e]

Schumm Road

[@KINGDAVID006]

I love these rules meetings😂👌🏻💪🏻

[@JonathanGagner-e3o]

I regret buy the ppv whit this little girl rule tanks engin 😂😂😂😂

[@oldwolfp]

10:00 im gonna beat you anyways XDDDD

[@mikesanythingoutdoors9153]

I feel that people are going to lose due to these stupid rules

[@archdawg5688]

All this cus a person we all know dont like the Kings move...