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[@user-eh9oc7oc1y]

The fact that he put her in this position himself is sad

[@kap2652]

It’s sad he told her the truth?? viserys having sons will always put alicent kids in danger all of viserys sons would always been seen as the rightful king viserys sons kids would Always be seen as the rightful king if you had any common sense you would know rhaenyra daemon or her bastards would have no choice but to secure the throne and it’s not like they didn’t prove their fears wrong rhaenyra wanted her brother tortured daemon just a messed up person look at are own history relatives are put to the sword when one seats a throne you mad at Otto for telling his daughter the truth people so wrapped up in rhaenyra delusion world it’s sad Everybody well every lord and lady in Westeros was forced to marry someone for their house alicent marriage to viserys was the greatest achievement for house Hightower viserys and only viserys decided to remarry and have sons he directly created a succession crisis he pinned both sides against each other would you put the lives of your children at the mercy of rhaenyra when she already shown resentment and daemon the man who murder his wife

[@cat8506]

@@kap2652 he was the one who pushed alicent into marrying viserys in the first place

[@kap2652]

@@cat8506 wrong viserys and viserys only decided to marry her as we can see viserys was still young and able to have kids when Aemma Arryn died people can all around for viserys hand even coryls and Rhaenys tried their luck if viserys truly cared about his daughter becoming queen he would have never got remarried and have sons creating a Direct Challenge to rhaenyra claim almost every lord and lady was forced by their house to marry someone only difference is viserys was a king and could have said no Aegon the conqueror was told to take another wife he said no alicent did not force viserys to marry her it’s more viserys falut for marrying her and having kids then Otto putting her in the viserys path the whole dance is viserys fault his grief and guilt and incompetent lack of self awareness is what caused the dance Otto did not force viserys to marry it was viserys choice and his alone Otto did not force viserys to get alicent pregnant viserys did that by himself

[@cat8506]

@@kap2652 what are you trying to say? otto encouraged alicent to build a relationship with viserys for the purpose of her marrying him to gain power for the hightowers. viserys was being pressured by everyone to politically remarry after aemma died. otto knew exactly what he was doing in manipulating viserys into marrying his daughter. the dance occurs as long as viserys has a son, he has to remarry, from a political perspective. and aegon the conqueror had 2 wives anyway didn't he?? i'm not super familiar with the lore, when was he in a situation to decline a marriage? it's otto's fault that alicent, his own daughter, is the one whose children are threatened by the dance. had viserys not been so gravely ill he could've also shown greater support for rhaenyra's claim as well.

[@kap2652]

@@cat8506 Otto did what everyone was trying to do if viserys truly wanted his daughter to be queen he would have never gotten remarried and have kids nobody forced him to get married nobody forced him to be a bad king he did All himself viserys chose to get married had have gets he could just as easily taken alicent as his who** Aegon had two wives but it took a long time to have kids (fan theories says aegon sons was bastards) while his second wife gave birth to a son he was weak child on death doorsteps until he claimed a dragon many thought he was a bastard and people thought visenya was barren (until she gave birth to maegor) around that time while his only son was weak many thought aegon would take another wife to sire a healthy son but he refused like a king should like viserys should have It’s not Otto fault viserys was clearly still young and and sire more kids which he should have even coryls tried to get his daughter with viserys ….viserys chose to do that and created Direct threat to rhaenyra claim even with her begin named heir in Westeros a son comes first viserys took away his sons birthright He he truly wanted to support her he would never had more kids he was a careless fool as was rhaenyra she was unfit to rule who gave birth to bastards and lied to everyone including viserys which was treason by the way Get your head out your ass Otto did not manipulate viserys he was a king Otto did not force viserys to say his wedding vows he did force viserys to put his ding ding in alicent it’s was all viserys choice he took away his sons birthright ignored the same laws that made him king pinned both sides of the family against each other naming a girl over his son was always going to led to a war Look at jaehaerys he had a succession crisis at the end of his reign both sides of the family was arming themselves and he stop the war before it even began by letting the lords pick who should rule he decisions brought peace while viserys brought death I so sick and tired of people not holding viserys responsible for his own decisions he was a king beside that he was a grown ass man nobody can manipulate him into anything he chose to do it end of story

[@zubeia-k6k]

Viserys wanted to change the status quo. He failed by not handing power to rhanerya while he was alive. He thought society would just follow suit. It’s his fault.

[@kaihiggins725]

It’s not his fault, most still supported her.

[@Gabzaum]

​@@kaihiggins725it is his fault. He was a weak dragon. Deamon would never let that happen.

[@The-Allfather-Odin]

No, the problem was making Rhaenyra heir instead of Deamon

[@darriuscole8544]

@@The-Allfather-Odin - Or instead of Aegon.

[@connoisseur1595]

@@darriuscole8544 it was Otto’s plan and suggestion not to make Daemon heir and he suggested Rhaenyra instead. But when it came to aegon he changed his own advice to his convenience to make aegon heir. Daemon has always been right about him.

[@MallyMall770]

The actor killed this role

[@Thrawn23.]

Which one do you think? Cause I think both of them did

[@shamusomalley4263]

​@@Thrawn23.They said actor, not actress. Though both were great.

[@luca.mayflowers]

​@@shamusomalley4263actor is gender neutral , it's used for men as well as women and non binary people . actress is exclusively used for women but not all women feel comfortable being called actresses

[@JimSty-bh1os]

This is the same guy who was condemned to spending the rest of his days in a flask that would eventually reside in the deep, dark bowels of Adolf Hitler's ass... All hail Nicky!

[@austinlamonge4741]

Agreed he killed but he is basically Tywin junior…. Although he’s in a weirder arguably more high stakes tome

[@annavictrix]

I see the comments, “if he wanted Aegon to be king then why didn’t Otto train him better?” Because Otto wanted the real power behind the throne with Aegon as his puppet. He never intended for Aegon to rule with any real power; he imagined holding the ultimate power for himself.

[@nunyabiznes33]

Typical 2nd son insecurity.

[@nicksmithnutmilk]

And Aegon fired his useless a*s 😂😂🗿🗿

[@michaelmccomb2594]

Interestingly, I think Tywin was genuine in wanting Tomen to be a good king. He was aware of his own mortality and the need for stability and strength after his own death

[@astr0cade]

And it’s funny at the first sign of Aegons insolence Otto goes running off back to Oldtown, he simply does not know how to deal with NOT being hand of the king when it is stripped from him, instead of staying in KL and persevering

[@springtimeblossoms9279]

Otto pushed her into danger and was willing to risk her life and that of his grandchildren. He was SO sure the realm would reject Rhaenyra, only for her to have the fiercest of allies and the majority of thr realm rally for her. Even after her own death, people fought in her name while even house Hightower eventually abandoned Aegon and Alicent.

[@sanjaykarthicks1226]

Yeah the blacks never fell apart even after Rhaenyra's death

[@aliciagoodman7771]

I agree. Otto did all of this. He put Alicent in this position. He was a second son grabbing at whatever power he could. I’m team black all the way. Daemon and Rhaenyra were formidable!

[@aeternavictrix7861]

So why does the history say she was a usurper if most people followed her and not the greens?

[@Damianpatrickeze]

Oh! Some spoilers you just gave here😂I haven't read the books yet

[@seanm8560]

@@Damianpatrickezeyeah annoying asf but I would’ve guessed it

[@darianrose2195]

He may have been right about Alicent's children's fates, but he put her in that position. He forced her to marry the King when she was not only too young, but his daughter's best friend. Otto is a vile schemer who endangered Alicent and her children before they were even born.

[@keleighiorek99]

Rhaenyra never would've hurt Alicents children anyway.

[@m.mouryaragreddy3579]

​@@keleighiorek99Daemon definitely would

[@keleighiorek99]

@@m.mouryaragreddy3579 She wasn't even married to Daemon when Alicent raised her kids to be afraid of Rhaenyra and hate her. Rhaenyra was with Laenor, so Alicent had no reason to believe her kids were in danger.

[@markoz7813]

Raenyra offered to marry Helaena to Jace. So basically both bloodlines continue.

[@Ashbrash1998]

​@m.mouryaragreddy3579 But he didn't though, everybody goes on about Daemon just killing them when he never did so. Shoot Damon was right in Otto planning on killing EVERYBODY on Dragonstone asap. Including baby Aegon III and Viserys, Baela and Rhaena, the boys, the servants, etc. The only time Damon went after them was after the coup, after Aemond commited kinslaying and killed Lucerys and Aemond in battle. Like if anything, he was pretty even when it came to him killing. He never tried to simply kill them when he really could have.

[@cesarhernandez769]

What’s crazier is that the majority of Westeros DID accept her as Queen

[@YrGuitarGeek]

Majority my ass, youre speaking out of your ass

[@user-wc9vy4oc5h]

It's rather 50/50

[@Phantom19913]

@@user-wc9vy4oc5hmore 60/40 the greens only had the Lannisters and Baratheons. Where as Rhaenyra had the allegiance of the Arryns Tulleys starks and crownlands.

[@businessfssai9015]

​@@Phantom19913dorne never cared, reach, stormlands, westernlands never accepted rhenyra house valareon didn't eather until she was married to leanor, riverlands stayed neutral and Starks and eyrie accepted her fully, still you can see half of the Kingdom rejected or neglected her as an heir

[@Phantom19913]

@@businessfssai9015 hate to be the one tell you but Elmo Tully declares for Rhaenyra and marches the river lands forces against the greens.

[@maestroclassico5801]

Otto must've written some kind of book that Tywin Lannister must've eventually found (Later Edit: Of course, Tywin didn't actually get sacked as Hand by His Grandson so whatever Tywin read, he certainly improved on it! 😄)

[@BrandyBaker-gj7vo]

Oh Tywin would have Otto for lunch.

[@Keptaro]

Seems like ambitious men of rich and powerful houses who know how to play the game of thrones do share some similarities

[@JoboMcFakeAF]

Otto giving me little finger vibes he's not on Tywins level bro!

[@maestroclassico5801]

@@JoboMcFakeAF I actually do agree. Tywin could handle his Grandson.....I'm feeling Otto can't handle his.

[@Youtube_Street_Drifter]

​@JoboMcFakeAF Nah the dude with the one foot is the Littlefinger of this series.Otto is definitely Tywin but you're right he's still no Tywin

[@davidwright6591]

I'm so glad people are realising that Alicent is just a pawn, and she's a victim of Otto's machinations

[@BrandyBaker-gj7vo]

and to a much lesser extent, Viserys. These men manipulated a young girl who was too young to get married. She was a victim in all of this despite becoming unlikeable later on.

[@michaelmccomb2594]

But to some degree at the time, it was a father’s duty to ensure his daughters married as well as possible. Otto did this perfectly

[@fantuckstic]

She WAS a pawn. She knew that Viserys wanted Rhaenyra to succeed him. EVERYONE did. Yet, on his death bed she so wanted Aegon to inherit that she took his last words as he wanted Aegon. She wanted it so bad that anything he said, she'd misconstrue and warp, just so Aegon is crowned. Rhaenyra told her what Viserys last words really meant. And what did she do...she told her to leave and she ran off. She KNOWS she's in the wrong. And what did Allicent do? NOTHING! Allicent is no better than Otto. I mean she wanted to cut out Lucerys eye bc he managed to scratch out her son's eye when he was bullying Rhaenyra s kids. A grown ass woman wanted to gouge out a child eye. Shes twisted, just like her father. Yes, he used her. And it sucked that she had to marry an old man. Share her bed with said old man. Her life was cut short, in a sense. But, as she grew up, she became an adult. A queen. Yet, she allowed her father dictate what HE wanted of her. She was the queen. Higher than her father. Especially once she became a mother to potential heirs. She had status. She could've asked Vicerys to get rid of her father bc he was scheming behind their back. For his own gain. Treasonous. I stopped feeling sorry for her all the way back to when she accused Rhaenyra of having sex with Daemon. So what?! What does it matter to Allicent? What business is it of hers? If Rhaenyra were a boy, it wouldn't matter.

[@marshalsunrise6582]

Only in the show The original source though 😑😑

[@jakel.1724]

i’d argue otto is not a bad man. in that world to secure power is to secure your future. if having you daughter have a sub par younger life and have a set up elder life. that pretty damn good in comparison to the life’s of small folk. it’s sucks from todays standards. but fighting for any scraps of food and starving. sex slave, manual labor. vs maybe gotta have sex with this old man. is a pretty good deal.

[@heynotizzy7493]

"To secure her claik she'll have to put your children to the sword" Also Otto: "go to dragonstone and murder the mfs"

[@fvfjsncj3269]

Be quick and be clean

[@Ashbrash1998]

"Oh the toddlers? Yeah kill them too." Like Damon literally called Otto's plan without knowing it was stopped.

[@Keptaro]

Better them than us

[@raf3765]

@@Keptaro After manipulating her daughter that her friend will do what HE was planning on doing all along. 🤡🤢

[@mike21378]

@@raf3765Obviously because that is the logical move. Him wanting to kill her kids doesnt make the fact that Rhaenyra would’ve had to kill his grandsons because they have a much stronger claim any less true. They aren’t mutually exclusive

[@laurenstanciel1247]

It’s ironic that he says that Rhaenyra will have to kill Alicent’s kids when Rhaenys and Daemon had claims to the throne yet them nor Rhaenys’s children were killed as a result. Like if Rhaenys was a man she would’ve been king without the council meeting because her claim is that much stronger than Viserys’s claim. Like if Daemon really wanted to be king he could’ve offed his brother and either married or killed Rhaenyra before Aegon was born or at least old enough for Otto to start going full steam ahead on his coup.

[@NathanXYX.]

cause she didn't have bastard sons nor was she a psychopath like Rhaenyra

[@princess7jasmine]

​@@NathanXYX. Rhaenyra isn't remotely close to being a psychopath

[@aihaven345]

Already killed a little baby​@@princess7jasmine

[@princess7jasmine]

@@aihaven345 Daemon did, Rhaenyra did not order it. Did you watch the show at all?

[@aihaven345]

@@princess7jasmine and how did rhaenyra punish the child killer? did she sentence him to death for his actions *UNDER HER RULE* ...yeah thought so

[@TheTruthIsGonnaHurt]

“Otto Hightower…I will be following your career with most interest, and taking notes.” - Palpatine

[@shelenedvds8519]

I really don't think Rhaenyera would hurt her sibling to secure her claim. If i remember well, she's even close to Haelena in the book.

[@TemariNaraannaschatz]

She wasn't close to any of her siblings, BUT the first thing she said after Aegon was crowned was basically: I know this is on Otto and Alicent and if you give me the crown you'll all be fine, I have zero intentions of harming my half-siblings.

[@fenrir4446]

​@@TemariNaraannaschatza bold faced lie a older Sibling willing to torture a younger one who was a mere child

[@TemariNaraannaschatz]

@@fenrir4446 Bit of a difference there between threatening torture and execution. Also in F&B the things goes slightly different due to how the adaptation changed things. And spoiler altert Rhaenyra doesn't kill any of her siblings.

[@ulquiorracifer5493]

Daemon would definitely have them killed, though. Otto was correct. History proves it.

[@fenrir4446]

@@TemariNaraannaschatz ohhh you right huge difference how could i be stupid your right torture is much better then dead especially when your but a Child and sure she does not wield the blade her self but she is all the willing to let others do it for her how else is gonna get a bloody cheese

[@mevgod2160]

GoT no matter what show or how good/bad of a season it is, the acting is always 10/10.

[@greenforce68]

Hell yeah! We're talking Rhys Ifans here. The man is chameleon

[@kevinallen5991]

I almost corrected you and said Lizard lol. Im silly ​@greenforce68

[@supersaiyanzero386]

Yeah. But this is house of the dragon brauhv

[@UMADl3RO5]

Literally I miss good acting so much. This show has it. I hardly ever watch anything with good actors anymore. These guys absolutely kill it.

[@joshkorte9020]

The thing is, Aegon didn't want to be king either. If the greens had supported Rhaenyra and not sewn the seeds of discord and kept Aegon away from any random lords that didn't want Rhaenyra, the war would have been avoided. Otto and the greens were the ones who pushed for Aegon. They were the ones who wouldn't accept her, not the realm.

[@fridakahlo4225]

This👏👏👏 People like to believe that the butchering of Alicent's children was inevitable once Raenyra claims throne. It would be very unlikely if House Hightower didn't show any hostility against the Blacks and Otto was not such a power hungry fool. With the support of House Velaryon and House Hightower, Raenyra's claim to the throne would be solid and the whole realm wouldn't go through that devastating war. Plus, both Houses (Velaryon & Hightower) would end up with marriage agreements that would be very beneficial to them. One love sick old fool, one power hungry fool and one sour ex ruined Westros.

[@zachlewis9751]

Otto brought ruin to the house of the dragon and Viserys would not listen to Daemon telling him it was so.

[@LSG101097]

Viserys brought ruin to the house of the dragon. Otto didn't do enything wrong.

[@rosita3528]

​@@LSG101097If Otto hadn't sent Alicent to seduce Viserys while he was grieving then he wouldn't have grew closer to her and more than likely wouldn't have married her so stop acting like Otto didn't do anything wrong

[@davidlewis5312]

@@LSG101097 schemed to pit Brother v brother. Schemed to pit father v daughter. schemed to pit brother v sister. Schemed to pit his daughter v the princess. Did nothing wrong in the eyes of incels

[@nadinesmith-jensen7732]

@@LSG101097Otto is a pimp . He pimped his daughter for political gain and positioning himself through her. That was the first thing, the second was not being loyal to His King. His first responsibility was being a father, he failed. His second was his responsibility to king and country, also failed.

[@Ashbrash1998]

​@@LSG101097He literally did, he freaked Alicent out by telling her her children were threatened and than purposely instigated a coup to give Rhae EVERY justification to do that with little to no consequence since it was war

[@brejaanurag8835]

Otto play like littlefinger Otto play like twin Lannister

[@kendallandrews8691]

Otto knew what was up.

[@MellSayzHi]

And yet he started a war he claimed to prevent that will end up with his head on a spike and the house in ruins. I will say if his goal was to ruin house Targaryen and destroy the dragons I'll give him that

[@nicksmithnutmilk]

​@@MellSayzHihe did achive his goal.... 180 years later 😂😂 House Targaryen doesn't exist anymore and the Hightowers are powerful . But he or one member of his House didn't get the Throne though . I'd say 50/50

[@dineshbalu6107]

​@@nicksmithnutmilkDoesn't exist??

[@dineshbalu6107]

​@@nicksmithnutmilkBuddy, I think u r mistaken

[@rosequartzjewelryllc]

Otto had a point but alicent and Otto failed at preparing ageon. He grew to be a sore excuse for a king.

[@ladysasha90]

No he didn’t. Rhaenyra even said she wouldn’t harm them after finding out they crowned Aegon. She didn’t even want to go to war 😂.

[@normanosborn3181]

@@ladysasha90it wouldn’t have mattered she or daemon would’ve had them killed sooner or later

[@javy__air]

​@@normanosborn3181yeah, but only if they didnt follow the king's decision to have Rhaenrya as Queen of the Realms when he died and did not attempt to usurp...

[@ladysasha90]

@@normanosborn3181 no she wouldn’t. Rhaenyra was not prune to violence. And even the show highlights how she wanted to be a cautious leader and not risk the realms destruction.

[@philippeblais8594]

Personally. I think Aegon being a sore excuse for a king works out for Otto. Because a king who lacks aptitude or interest in ruling will often turn to his hand or leave governance to his hand. So in this sense. Otto wants Aegon on the throne so he can be the ruler of the seven kingdoms from behind the curtain.

[@user-my8rq5xz9x]

This is where it all started. A power-hungry man. Blinded by its thirst.

[@qpishjunior4772]

Not really, it started with Viserys. He named Rhaenyra his heir and didn't actually prepare the realm or rhaenyra for her to ascend the throne. Viserys the weak

[@qpishjunior4772]

You could even argue it was Jahaerys fault for not just letting Rhaenys become queen instead of viserys. Rhaenys was much stronger, wiser and fierce than weak ahh Viserys

[@MrJordwalk]

Exactly. He should have disinherited Rhaenyra as his heir upon learning she snuck out of the Red Keep for some fun with Daemon IMHO.

[@munirunyandiba4020]

Otto Hightower was a terrible man. He had everything planned out but the kind was a big fool not to see it.

[@virginiablanco7650]

Hola amigos como están ❤

[@dubbeking]

He's far from terrible. He just doesn't want Rhaenyra on the throne.

[@zachv465]

Terrible? I’m not sure. He definitely was not good in Jon/Ned Stark way. But his reasoning for doing all of this is rooted in sustaining the realm. He believes Daemon or the prospect of Rhaeyrna ruling would devastate the kingdom. Are his methods legal? Definitely not. But I have yet to see a scene of him grasping power for the purpose of just having it. He definitely loves Alicent more than Tywin loved his children. Although Tywin was more obsessed with his dying Legacy rather than power alone.

[@Phantom19913]

@@dubbeking don’t give us that nonsense he was fine with Rhaenyra till his grandson turned 2 and he realized he could make Aegon king instead.

[@dubbeking]

@@Phantom19913 It was always my interpretation that naming Rhaenyra as heir was a temporary measure to prevent Daemon ever nearing the throne. As soon as there was a newborn male heir, Rhaenyra was to be denied the throne, or to marry him.

[@MikaelaKMajorHistory]

Lol he didn’t expect Viserys to live for so long 😂

[@BlancaEstella4837]

This scene is why i can't see alicent as just jealous of rhaenyra (cause rhaenyra got to enjoy se* and not her lol) because beliving rhaenyra leaded to the exile of her father, so of course knowing that she lied to her was a felt as a big treason by alicent... Now see what she tell her father : if u didn't try so hard to make aegon heir... It just shows that she was very much accepting rhaenyra as heir at the begining and literally no problem with it... Up to this point alicent was really a pure heart...

[@liliesandroses6323]

Not only that. Alicent was alone even if her father was there when Rhaenyra returend she thought that finaly she would have someone to trust but then all this fiasco went down and Rhe lied to her, swering on her mother's grave. She ubderstood she waa alone and with people she couldn't trust. Soo yes, Otto fault all way in

[@cherylbaxter8986]

Don't Forget Alicent kept it all from Rhaenyra the green snake who pawned herself to be Qween

[@ohmyduck8101]

“Why’s everyone booing, I’m right” -Otto, probably

[@jordyn.24]

“Why am I getting downvoted?” -Otto on Reddit

[@piapress2959]

As much as these two women really loved each other at one point, Rhanay would not have murdered Alicent children. This was a life that both women never wanted.

[@hillhouse_]

she wouldn’t have! but daemon 100% would’ve behind her back

[@piapress2959]

@@hillhouse_ Well we all know Daemon would cause yeah 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@LSG101097]

She would. She commited a trasoin by birthing bastards and wanting to put them on the throne. She would kill legitimate heir to clean a path for her bastards.

[@elanorapowell6811]

People say she didn’t love her kids but she didn’t start crying until her children’s lives were mentioned

[@Isabelle-hv6ny]

They are all she has

[@viceb7]

She lost love for them later, they became more of property to her. If she had been more of a mother so much if this could've been avoided.

[@elanorapowell6811]

@@viceb7 She was sitting next to Aegons bedside for no reason other than worry and concern. She loves her children she’s just never been shown love. Not by her parents or her “husband” even Criston Cole is just sex. She has no idea how to show affection.

[@honeybee.87]

"the realm will not accept her" well, the realm doesn't have dragons, so they would have. one way or another 🔥

[@marycorbett3109]

Can’t wait till they hear about the storming of the dragon pit???

[@dejascott373]

He's kind of right it's how the targs maintained power for so long lol; had all of house targaryean been fine with rhae there was nothing anyone else could have really done about it@@marycorbett3109

[@MegaUnclesalty]

And this is where Otto really shows his true form. Rhaneyra would never have hurt her half brothers

[@77chotu77]

Even if she won't, Deamon would... When your claim is not strong enough, killing off rival claimants is quite common in Westros...

[@lillypharaoh5945]

Oh rhaenyra would 100% hurt her half brothers lol

[@fenrir4446]

​@@lillypharaoh5945yep was afterall advocating to torture one of them a mere child

[@springtimeblossoms9279]

@@77chotu77Daemon was the first to advocate for peace in the books whereas Aegon wanted his entire family outright arrested and murdered. He peaks with B&C, which honestly pales in comparison to what Aegon, Aemond, and Daeron do. Ultimately, the difference between the two claimants is that the Blacks at least tried for a shot a peace. The greens wanted blood, and that’s what they got.

[@77chotu77]

@@springtimeblossoms9279 Books are a lot different from the show... Rhaenyra was far more cruel in the books, so is Daemon...

[@Dr.Jalondra-MamiMelusine]

I think they should be playing up this, the position Otto put Alicent in and her fear for her children’s lives up not over her pretending that that damn feverish dream right before he died was him changing his mind about the succession.

[@kodyspicer41]

I know its unpopular, but I was actually team Hightower

[@racheltan2555]

I admire the relationship between Otto and Alicent there is no denying that he’s brilliant. (Looking at him I wished Tywin had that kind of compassion towards his children )

[@tionatate3466]

It’s the fact that he wanted the throne himself but knew he couldn’t get it, and basically forced his daughter to marry Viserys and have children in order to have some sort of claim to the throne.

[@annavictrix]

Yup, he wanted to rule the throne from behind the scenes and keep one of his grandchildren on it as a puppet.

[@A_divisive_scarecrow]

Which house wouldn't have wanted their successors to have royal blood, honestly? Arryns had through Aemma, Baratheons had through Aemond, Lannisters tried too by Rhaenyra, almost every single house tried through Rhaenyra when they had the chance. The only exceptions are the Starks, they are rarely greedy.

[@Ohmomo23]

​@@A_divisive_scarecrow Lionel Strong never manipulated Viserys for a marriage when he was hand of the King. Otto however manipulated and schemed

[@InvaderZed]

Whatever writer had the idea to age down alicent to rhenerya's age really deserves that spot they have

[@xsouljagirl17x]

If that was the case, he never would've pushed for her to be queen

[@aminiqbal4907]

Didn't Rhaenyra want to have Jace and Halaena married to which Alicent scoffed at? Rhae also wanted to give up a clutch of syrax's eggs. Whatever lies he was putting into Alicent's head didn't even prove to be true later in life before Viserys even died who also thought it was a good idea. Man people really are dumb. Predicting the future for Alicent to say your teats are leaking when the time to say otherwise would've proven to be better (not cause the dance). 🙄

[@nicksmithnutmilk]

​@@aminiqbal4907but Jace is a bastard so it's understandable that Alicent didn't agree

[@aminiqbal4907]

@@nicksmithnutmilk so?

[@nicksmithnutmilk]

@@aminiqbal4907 why would the King's daughter marry a bastard ? Plus Alicent wanted Aegon to be King and Helaena to be Queen

[@aminiqbal4907]

@kingdaemon1targaryen he was legitimized and the agreement was between laenor and rhaenyra so if no one knew the details no one had the right to judge and decide and as viserys himself named Rhaenyra as his heir and to scheme, plot or think of such thing should be treason.

[@heidianderson8732]

No she wouldn't have he started this war... they were friends and her dad used it.

[@tgr.4550]

The only thing they prepared Aegon for was for him be a wimp and a sex offender

[@LSG101097]

Like sister like brother.

[@Force-Multiplier]

Better than Maegor with T i t s especially in the books where he's no sex offender

[@jessp8238]

@@Force-MultiplierHe is implied to be a degenerate the books too.

[@Force-Multiplier]

@@jessp8238 wh - ore - monger yes but not a sex offender

[@raf3765]

@@LSG101097 Helaena was a sex offender???

[@StormWalker101]

The fact that Allicent did this for Rhaenyra but Rhaenyra lied through and through is what started the war. No matter what Otto did, Rhaenyra would have been queen if Allicent was by her side but Rhaenyra wanted to do everything but not take any responsibility for it. When you want to be ruler, you are not free. A conqueror is freer than a ruler, which is why conquering is easier but keeping it is bit more difficult.

[@targonyt7258]

Conqueror have more power by fear or "respect" than heir who need to be lucky

[@julietasequeira4210]

I don't really think Alicent had any power to stop anything. When she discovered Otto's plan to put Aegon on the throne everything was already planned. She just went along with it. In the show she's basically a pawn, which is the only thing that redeems her a little bit.

[@michaelmccomb2594]

In some sense the King needed to remarry and have more heirs. It was obvious that there was going to be some form of conflict between Rhaenyra and his younger son when he left an uncertain succession

[@arourarose5489]

Otto was the villain, Viserys was willfully oblivious

[@odlfmariner470]

There are a lot of villains in this show, Otto is just one of them. But yes Viserys is incompetent at his job and should have made his firstborn son the heir the moment he was born.

[@michaelmccomb2594]

@@odlfmariner470and that first born son should have been from a different marriage, restraining the Hightower hold over the throne

[@Frankie.s]

And then she didn't prepare Aegon for anything and made miserable the life of all her children except for Aemond bc he turn out in a sociopath. Good.

[@John-fc8ti]

Rhys Ifans was such a W of casting choice for Otto Hightower 🙌🏻

[@meeemeee8577]

I mean he was right, her claim would have never been secure as long as her half brothers live and breath. There would have always been those who would have sought to put Aegon on the throne and a few unwise rulings/decisions from Rhaenyra could have turned the majority toward Aegon. Though Otto was the one that put his daughter and grandchildren into this position in the first place. But we also have to consider that no one would have thought that Viserys would not have his first born son as his heir, as it was costum in this society and time. So I think Otto is ruthless and cunning, but not anymore so than any other court member at the time, people used to see daughters as only useful in marriage later on and didn't consider them as persons with wants and emotions.

[@xowarrior]

the first season was way more interesting than the second

[@kieaplease]

How they expect me not to be an Alicent fan with this good ass acting. Seriously this woman did her damn thing. Pop off girly.

[@danielcisneros831]

Their fear was fully justified and confirmed when Rhaenyra ordered Daemon to go seize Vaemond Velaryon when he was calling out her bastard and pressing his claim to Drifrmark, he was decapitated and later fed to Syrax on Rhaenyra's orders, they got the prove there that she is capable of killing to secure her claim and her bastard's

[@Onigirli]

I wouldn't say fully justified when Vaemond had to mouth off about it in court to bring her to that point. He must've known what they'd be driven to do in response.

[@jedimasters1462]

You also have to remember that the book, from what the actual author says, was "written" by supporters of the Greens so would write things about Rhaenyra in a bad light.

[@wendel8296]

​@@jedimasters1462 "everything i dont like is green propaganda"

[@lightquest2]

Otto is single handedly responsible for the dance of dragons

[@michealfeeback7842]

Otto was the little finger of his day. And in the end he gets the same end as Baelish

[@Force-Multiplier]

He did offered his daughter *TWO* choices in this very scene "either she prepares Aegon to be king" (wich his daughter didn't) "or she clings to Rhaenryra and prays for her mercy" clearly two choices there and he had no choice but to leave and he might not be a good guy per say but he partly saved Westeros from falling under Daemons crazy rules Rhaenryra would have never been able to control Daemon and he would have done a lot of harm to the realm

[@jaspermoonstone]

This is such a pivotal moment. Otto played on Alicent’s love for her children to shape her motivations and behavior later on that would eventually contribute to familial strife and war.

[@pennylane6185]

Father of the year

[@GreyHowler528]

Otto acting like a loving father when he literally PUT HER IN THAT POSITION

[@SLrandomshitposting]

Is it just me or did I see lord Hightwoer breathe fire?

[@theresnocomingback]

Otto Hightower was 90% to blame for this civil war that ultimately destroyed the targyreans

[@gwendolynmorgan7803]

How was Otto so certain that Viserys wasn't going to live long? Otto obviously wanted to cause the family rift - he called a meeting to push Viserys to make Rhaenyra his heir in the first place, then told Alicent to go "spend time" with Viserys and comfort him. Then Otto caused the rift with the Velaryons by pushing to make Alicent the next queen. Then, he manipulated Alicent into being paranoid about her kid's safety, which also made it harder for her to be a good mom. And clearly, Otto didn't actually do anything to advise Aegon or prepare him for being king either. Aegon is a horrible person.

[@TemariNaraannaschatz]

To answer your first question: because he has leprosy, usually people tend to die sooner from it. Viserys was just in decent medical care to live as long as he did.

[@rosita3528]

​@@TemariNaraannaschatzLeprosy wasn't discovered until 1873. They would have had no clue what disease Viserys had nor how long it would take to kill him

[@TemariNaraannaschatz]

@@rosita3528 You realize that Westeros isn't the real world? And only the bacteria was discovered that late. Leprocy has been around for thousands of years and has been described in ancient egypt. And people have been describing the effects and live expectency too. Also this is a fictional version of leprocy, not one from our world.

[@rosita3528]

@@TemariNaraannaschatz yes I realise westeros isn't the real world. Hence how they had no clue what Leprosy was or how it affected a person. You realise that real world diseases aren't fiction?

[@jakel.1724]

i’d totally argue otto is a fantastic grandfather. for the sake of gaining them power. they just didn’t know how to handle it once they got it. if they were taught how to rule, something vis lacked doing. vis, is the bad guy in the story. he didn’t setup a sound plan for after his death. and that’s why it got complicated. was his lack of power to get people to hear him.

[@amandawilli60]

“He will not live to be an old man” *The king lived to be an old man.* ~~~foreshadowing…..? I’ve always noticed that so I’m just putting it out there

[@ShubhandSunny]

Otto the real was correct and the actor nailed the role

[@laurentillman9486]

Amazing scene! She truly was my favorite version of her character.

[@sr_ryoadm]

otto is not wrong. Would you trust your children's lives to a king/queen who dreams of having power all his life? otto is right to not have that absolute trust in rhanyera - that's something only viewers could have

[@chrispbacon002]

Yea destroying a family and stealing their throne while pitting your daughter against them and slowly killing the king comes with a lack of trust

[@kap2652]

Why do people say Otto a bad person for telling his daughter the truth?? Use your head look at are own history with kingdoms rhaenyra as heir over viserys sons always spelled disaster

[@greenforce68]

Who put Alicent in this situation if he's not a bad person? Both Viserys and Otto were terrible for putting their daughter in this situation. They should have choose Daemon. And Daemon would still pick Rhaenyra as his wife but the good thing is, Viserys doesn't have to remarry and Rhaenyra doesn't have to rule as a queen or even put anyone in sword. She doesn't have to produce a bastard and she could be the queen mother for any of her sons by Daemon. It's more likely Daemon would kick Otto's out of his council and Alicent wouldn't suffer this way. She lose her children and her bloodline are extinct bcs of Otto

[@kap2652]

@@greenforce68 by your logic every lords and lady who told their kids to marry someone for their house is a bad person otto and visers had every right to tell their kids who to marry in Westeros it’s just how it is Otto did not force viserys to get remarried or have more kids he chose to do it and nobody else I’m tried of people blaming Otto for viserys chose to remarry I hate to break it to you but daemon is a wrose then everybody in the show Otto was right about daemon he proved time and time again why he shouldn’t be with power he openly mocked viserys dead son spent his whole day in whore houses murder multiple small folk had his innocent nephews assassinated murder his wife murder and those who spoke the truth abused and groomed rhaenyra commited treason against viserys multiple times started an illegal war took rhaenyra maidenhood and etc etc etc rhaenyra as viserys heir at that point of time was a good thing but when viserys chose to get married and have sons he messed it all up I don’t know why people think she needed to have bastards and lie about she could have just as easily have bastard and didn’t lie about (which her lying was treason by the way) and had viserys legitimize them or asked her father to divorce her and laenor so she can have real true born kids or after her the throne rightful passed to one of brothers she had bastards out of lust and nothing more she thought her bastards was more important then her true born brothers all the way up till she had kids with daemon she was usurping her brothers rights to succeed her (she usurped sons with daemon birthright and other true born velaryons birthright ) which made her unfit to rule everything Otto said about rhaenyra and daemon came true Daemon would have killed Otto do not think otherwise her bloodline isn’t gone house Hightower still stands and Aegon had many bastards as Aemond had one with his lover so their bloodline isn’t gone completely many houses was carried by distant or close relatives their goal was to make aegon king and they succeeded Aegon II is the official ruler of the dance of the dragons Otto did not cause a civil war viserys did the war started when viserys had more sons and took away their birthright the same laws that made him king he decided to ignore or I like to think it started when Aemond eye was took Viserys and viserys only is responsible for the civil war he pinned both sides against each other even if he didn’t do it knowingly blaming Otto for everything is a poor Disney fairy tale take on the dance viserys created a succession crisis by naming a girl heir and having sons viserys had a million chances to stop the civil war look at jaehaerys at the end of his reign their was a succession crisis both sides was arming themselves to fight a war for the throne and jaehaerys stopped it he lets the lord chose who they wanted to rule over them and his choice brought another 26 years of peace in Westeros he was a true king the best king Westeros has every had and viserys was the one of the worst he incompetence grief and guilt brought death destruction to Westeros and his house

[@Vffjjtt]

@@greenforce68that’s not otto’s fault if alicent bloodline disappeared some blond cvnt chose to murder little toddler himself so

[@77chotu77]

​@@greenforce68 It was always assumed by most lords that Rhaenyra was declared as heir only to bypass Daemon who is a psycopath... Once Viserys had a son, most lords assumed his son will be declared heir by tradition... No one expected Viserys to not change the heir... There will be many lords who hate to go against established traditions... And by all established traditions, Aegon is the rightful heir... ---- It is Viserys who put everyone in this situation, not Otto... Otto only wanted to make his daughter queen... It is Viserys who put everyone in danger by not declaring Aegon as heir...

[@Hvaniceday]

​@77chotu77 there is no tradition that states that a girl can't rule its jxt something they decided to do

[@h-dawg969]

Eye Ball Paul is so good in this role. His acting during the coronation scene is literally a whole other level. Paddy Considine is amazing in his role also. It’s a shame that we won’t get any more scenes with this Alicent & Rheanera, but so hyped for the next season. I’m so glad they did it justice after the damage that was done to the Ice & Fire franchise after the complete disrespect and laziness of Dan n Dave in the last couple years of working on Thrones.

[@curly7452]

Otto is the reason for that war. Otto wanted power. Alicent is a victim in all this.

[@alio248]

Maybe initially, but I do believe she became indoctrinated into her fathers thinking later

[@1stfire_shadow]

Not anymore, yeah she was manipulated to go all in on one side but she has made calculated and cruel moves since then.

[@michaelmccomb2594]

Viserys allowed Otto’s ambitions to become an issue. There was always going to be a conflict between his son and daughter when he left the succession uncertain

[@curly7452]

@@michaelmccomb2594 but the succession wasn’t uncertain. It was his daughters to have

[@michaelmccomb2594]

@@curly7452 which went against the whole precedent of Westerosi and Targaryen tradition. Offended many of the lords in Westeros, would not have been accepted by Otto, would was the most powerful person upon the king’s death and Rhaenyra was clearly out of favour with her father in his final years. The only thing he did to secure his daughter’s succession was forcing his lords to swear oaths to her 15-20 years before his death. He could have done much more.

[@tyson6819]

A comment comparing Tywin to Otto really highlights how most people just don't have a clue!

[@callmechoii5459]

He was right

[@onetwo-gt2tr]

Alicent was actually one of the most noble and good person in the show

[@user-us5dr2qi2r]

Otto a true snake.

[@LSG101097]

Otto is true. And based.

[@judigemini178]

He truly is, all this criston hate but the true villain is right here

[@LS.Duser16]

Such good storytelling! Love Alicent and Otto's characters!

[@hyperkaioken4982]

he's such a fool if he thinks she would of actually done that to her children

[@JulianaSantos-es7yc]

He is not a fool, he is a manipulative bastard

[@moreganwilliams1174]

She would have to, even if she didn’t want to since they are true-borns and therefore will always be a threat to the ascension of her bastards. And after the Aemond situation, we literally see that she’s willing to hurt them to protect her own children. There’s no version of reality where Alicent bends the knee and her children survive.

[@Davidxdgh5]

Even if Rhaenyra wouldn't kill them or force them to take the Black, that doesn't mean none of Rhaenyra's supporters will kill them to gain her supposed favour. All it would take is for her to make an off-hand statement about how annoying it is that there are still those who try to push her half siblings claims, a supporter hearing her and thinking he can alleviate her problems by discretely killing them so she needn't have a part in kinslaying and that in time she will be thankful for it.

[@LSG101097]

You're fool if you think she would not.

[@ikebeckman1074]

Rhys Ifans ❤ I’m absolutely obsessed with him now, can’t believe I’ve only seen him in this despite his hefty career

[@mrfalloutlore5973]

That’s me when I play CK3 casually killing my sons or disinheriting them

[@marilyndafeta3064]

To see Alicent and Rhaenyra drift apart is truly heartbreaking, because THIS is where it all started

[@Hrmerc15]

And she turned out EXACTLY like her dad. She used her children for power and advancement.

[@Tyler_W]

He is absolutely right, but this is also a situation that he himself forced.

[@JamesHightower18]

Does anyone know if Otto actually believed rhyneara would kill Alicents children or was he just saying that to scare her into supporting aegon

[@moreganwilliams1174]

It’s the truth. True borns are a threat to bastards. Somewhere down the line, she’d have to do it

[@ucnguyenanh9414]

She demanded Aemond to be firmly questioned(interogate, tortured you name it) for calling the Strong boys bastards. From that instance, it is clear that Rhaenyra doesn't put the well being of her siblings in any high regard. So chances are, she would.

[@jedimasters1462]

​@@ucnguyenanh9414She never said anything about torture. At worst, they would have basically grounded him until he talked, as he was still a prince of the realm. Rhaenyra wasn't evil.

[@mayganwilson]

The sad part is Rhaenyra would've never harmed Alicent of her siblings for her claim to the throne. It was always to further Otto's agenda.

[@Audaz512]

Quando um pai é manipulador e usa a filha pra conquistar os seus desejos

[@mygamekips171]

Wise Dad

[@heekapoo]

“The people will not accept her” yet when he was crowned people stood in silence and claimed her instead lol

[@ericLpereira1989]

oh yes, the time that the Green side motivations used to be much less based on greed and power and misundertandings of a dying old man's words

[@MellSayzHi]

God otto, you claimed to try and protect the kingdom from war yet was a major player in making a war happen which killed him and all his grandchildren. Was it really that bad to make Jace, ehile a badtard, still born to the true heir and still have your family rule with his potential marriage to Helaena that freaking bad?!?!!!

[@janesparks773]

I would name my Daughter Alicent its so pretty

[@selenamartinez2493]

Otto was a coward.

[@miraafloyd]

Viserys should’ve just stepped down and made Rhaenyra queen. She had 5 sons, if the realm wanted a king again, there were plenty of options. What’s more, Rhaenyra raised good sons who would’ve made just rulers & who respected women. The irony is Alicent & her children had nothing to fear from her. From Daemon perhaps, but not her. She let her father manipulate her.

[@michaelcortez6596]

When Viserys took out Otto, he should’ve been replaced by Rhaenyra as hand of the king... or Daemon would also do..

[@xxMary89xx]

Rhys Ifans is such a great actor, I loved him as Otto Hightower.

[@jerrymartin4450]

The realm: she's a woman otto, alicent and her kids: we acknowledge rhynaera as queen The realm: well shit, can't do anything but to accept her as our lady and queen then. Case closed. Alicent's children would only ever be in danger if they challenged rhyneara's claim.

[@LSG101097]

naive people are so funny XD

[@rosita3528]

​@@LSG101097True, that's why you're hilarious

[@unicorn1655]

Rhaenyra loved her to bits and most of the Realm did accept her as their ruler. If Otto hadn’t manipulated Alicent to further his own desire for power and control they could have been happy. She would have never hurt Alicent or her half siblings.

[@primrosehtm]

She could defend her best friend's claim we know all rhaenyra never would kill her family if they didn't steal her right and insult her couple of times anything alicent suffer from was becuse of her father and her virtue she could rule the kingdom with rhaenyra

[@darriuscole8544]

No, we don't know that Rhaenyra would not have killed Alicent's children. Most likely Rhaenyra would have had to kill them OR someone loyal to her would have killed them on her behalf.

[@ACinemafanatic]

@@darriuscole8544she wouldn’t do that because I’m that time if you were a kindlayer your accursed with that name till you die. However daemon wouldn’t hesitate to do that because he doesn’t see them as family due to the hightowers blood being mixed in and he hates Otto for corrupting viserys

[@darriuscole8544]

@@ACinemafanatic - She wouldn't do it with her own hand. She she would make up some accusation in order to give herself political cover.

[@anajuliagomez878]

​@@ACinemafanaticque mal que damon odie a los hijos de alicent ,ellos no tienen culpa de nada

[@EmiliusReturns]

Viserys should have named Rhaenyra as Hand to test the waters. If the realm accepted it, have her mentor Aegon and let Aegon be named King but Rhaenyra continue as his Hand and be the one really running things, since everyone knows Aegon is neither the right guy for the job nor wants the job, but the laws of realm are clear that as the king’s eldest son, it is his birthright. Rhaenyra and Alicent are both seen in Viserys’s small council and everyone seemed to accept that. If not Hand, let her be Master of Laws or Coin. Encourage a positive relationship with her siblings, let Aegon learn from her. There’s so many ways he could have played this and he chose to do nothing while his family threatened to destroy each other right under his nose.

[@Donstaa]

Otto was saying facts even though rhaenyra wouldn’t want to put her brothers through the sword the realm would’ve given her no choice the realm always needs a male heir which is why rhaenyra wouldn’t have that much of a choice but to send her brothers offf somewhere that or kill

[@Michael-zt9ik]

Rhaenyra: “wtf I’d never kill my siblings and become a kinslayer”.

[@guymingi1312]

If only her eyes stayed open when she said, he only wants aegon as heir

[@Lolpy.]

To be 100% fair, and call it devil’s advocate, Otto would have a point nine times out of ten. In Westeros, most rulers are cruel, uncaring, and self serving. If Rhaenyra was like the majority of these rulers, Alicent’s children likely would have been killed, or at best held hostage. Issue is, Rhaenyra isn’t very typical.

[@kushagraprasad4367]

And now she demands her sons head in the last episode as well.

[@kristinahusinec4265]

I love the part where they prepared aegon for the throne 😍

[@tarareads23]

I’ve only ever seen Rhys Ifans in comedies or playing the comic relief. So I was surprised to see him in such a serious role. He’s so good in this. And again, I’ve only seen him in comedies so don’t come at me and tell me he’s been in serious roles before. lol

[@showtyme5439]

Despite his methods he was right. The realm wouldn't accept her as queen. No spoilers but read the books.

[@gamze8434]

He manipulates her so good saying Nyra has no choice and hugging her and not being mad at her instead he guilt trips her Alicent is the most tragic charachter

[@boardonroad1646]

I'm screaming, standing on my bed when i saw this scene for the first time because i was completely curious about how Rhaenyra would defend herself cuz greens prepared everything, gained support to tear her apart, Alicent warned her that she's going to face a trial tmrw, she went to Rhaenys yet failed to get her support, finally she went to the only person who had the power to help her but thought she failed and the next mrng, this scene, Viserys the fcuking king himself walked out of his death bed to defend his daughter for one last time, It seemed sooo powerful to me, a father's love for his daughter, "defend me and my children", the daughter asked

[@mosesoftheblock2311]

"Prepare Aegon to rule." Yeah, she should have just stayed close to Rhaenyra.

[@hailynsebert7405]

The fact that Rhaenyra would have never hurt Alicent or her children if they just gave up on wanting to take the throne away from her..

[@gentle846]

Viserys : (1) should never made his daughter heir to the Throne or at least he should have waited if he was gonna marry anyway again. (2) He should Have listen to his brother who warned him of Otto and his council instead he got butthurt because Deamon spoke out what he know himself he was weak. (3) after nearly 20 year's he needed to call all Major Lords of the Realm and make them again swear loyalty to his daughter. To make no room for later claim's "oh my father or the former House head did swore loyalty to you not me" . (4) activ make his daughter work as a member of his council and daily to daily work as king she should have always be close by and learn and talk with the Lord's and Lady's of the realm. .

[@Midearth87]

The family is already cursed with madness and death. None of them could avoid their fate. The family only ends to one prince/princess that is promised.

[@almmason7]

Rhaenyra wasn't planning to kill her half siblings. I think he was thinking w/ his evil ambitious heart and not understanding that Rhaenyra was better than that. Now Rhaenyra has no choice because he made his daughter's thoughts as evil as his. Parents have more influence than they know. 😢