King & Whateley dissect EVERY QUARTER of the 2024 AFL Grand Final - SEN

[@tonymaiorano2749]

The season to the GF is a marathon. Sydney sprinted early season. Brisbane ran a marathon, and peaked at the finish. Fagan coached at his best. Well done.

[@bluesful]

What a flag. To win a premiership from where they were mid-season, then being 44 points down in a semi, and 4 goals down in a prelim is fantastic.

[@ghi34]

Gerard talking about Sydney being spooked, look at David Kings face at the start of this vid. Looks bloody petrified at thought of having to praise Chris Fagan and the Lions.

[@michaellee8816]

David kings sack Chris fagan, hire Chris scott hot take is the all time dumbest thought bubble

[@amyt3949]

Part of being human is being able to admit when you get things wrong. King is unwilling to admit he got it wrong with Fagan and Lions. Its sad and tiresome that he won't give Fagan any real credit.

[@andrewwattie7144]

Everyone else wrote use off. Lloyd said you can't trust, Kane was off us, I mean I didn't hear one person say we'd win the final on a footy show

[@vigour6786]

@@andrewwattie7144 I backed Brisbane

[@imalwaysright]

Trying to maintain face because of that howler 😂😂. It tarnished whatever credibility he had as a pundit. Nobody is forgetting it 😂😂😂

[@imalwaysright]

@@andrewwattie7144Footy Show dudes aren’t great with their calls either, but King went extreme “what are we doing here G. time to replace Fages with Chris Scott” 😂😂😂

[@taliamason7986]

​​@@andrewwattie7144Lloyd and Kane were no near as harsh as Kingy and for most part were pretty fair with their criticism a lot of the time. Kingy on the other hand took it to the point where it felt like he had some kind of agenda against Fagan. Even Robbo called him out on it last week and that's when you know have stuffed up.

[@adzidium]

What a blinder of a finals series "Kingy" has had. The Lions defeat a team in a classic preliminary final whose coach "Kingy" said should replace the Lions coach -- the very same Lions coach who then went on to a thumping win in a grand final against the team "Kingy" tipped, while winning coach of the year in the very same week. Also tips a player for Norm Smith medallist who completely chokes and has zero impact. Elite level punditry. Embarrassing.

[@cweatherfella547]

KINGY had a Sydney Swans grand final like commentary analytical performance KINGY Thumped himself by 10 goals on the biggest stage Should Kingy be replaced ?

[@imalwaysright]

Was he also the one that said Heeney, Warner, Gulden were the new Voss, Akermanis & Black LMAO!! What a week 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jsequine927]

Yes, the obsession with Geelong and Chris Scott being the greatest coach in the world is pretty tiring. Scott is a decent coach but he inherited a premiership list and they have had a top 2, top 4 lists every season he’s coached. In that period they’ve won two flags and been convincingly beaten in finals in 2014, 2016, 2017 twice, 2018, and 2021 twice. Lost again to the Lions in a great contest, but at home after a week off you’d have to say that was a massive missed opportunity. And Scott was outcoached and forced to react to Fagan’s winning moves. The line that I hear from that Geelong did a great job this year to finish top 4 with a 9-12 list is a laughable proposition. The Cats have all Australians on every line and one of the most dynamic forward lines. They trade star players in almost every season (kudos to Scott and the recruiting team). The idea that their midfield is sub par is also laughable, crushing Port (who have one of if not the best midfield), a midfield that clearly outpointed Hawthorn a week later. Geelong, like Sydney have done a great job to remain at the top for so long but I think we give Scott too many flowers. Compare his record to Clarkson’s (4 flags from 5 attempts and only one preliminary final loss) and he’s not in the same category.

[@PeachTristan]

Fagan did the opposite of what Kingy and co had suggested all year... and here we are

[@TheHaineTrain]

Remember when neither of them had the Lions in the rankings pre finals? 😂

[@imalwaysright]

I've said enough about Kingy. I'm just here for the comments 😂😂😂

[@kymcha]

Exactly, comments from the hindsight specialists.

[@gemilynicholas]

Getting harder to take Kingy seriously....what's next🙄

[@jamesbuesnel5054]

King still dancing around the Fagan issue a bit, way too harsh still

[@douglasparker577]

Superb stuff Kingy & Gerard. As always.

[@jackmag4056]

Imagine kingys narrative if Syd had won by the same margin

[@jainmelbourne]

really good point

[@andrewwattie7144]

2 years ago Kingy claimed the bombers had a premiership midfield!!!

[@metatron8386]

1 good part does not make a whole team. You need the whole package.

[@imalwaysright]

Think he was raving about the Essendon McKay twin this year too 😂😂😂

[@alexander8688]

​@imalwaysright Come on. Anyone can be wrong a few times.😁

[@petertarczynski496]

Fages I doubted you but I’m so glad you proved me wrong ❤❤❤

[@DrainCleaningAUSTRALIA]

King still wiping a years worth of egg off his face

[@michaelrogers8287]

King is such a typical know it all arrogant person that got it sooo wrong questioning Fagsns coaching and thinks it’s ok to do so . The negativity that these journalists come up with they should be ashamed of themselves th.ey wouldn’t have a clue amongst the whole lot of them

[@matthewpowell9403]

Hunger for a win trumps, any tactics.

[@-paulmp]

Brisbane Lions did 6 ACLs in under 12 months. They had so many injuries that they were using first year players for half the season. Chris Fagan always had the coaching chops to get the job done, King needs to admit that he was completely wrong. They were 1 kick away from winning the Grand Final last year as well.

[@JamieJaquinta]

David’s clear reluctance to acknowledge after incorrect analysis is evident. Lift Mr King.

[@deach5254]

Just a reminder (Kingy), Lions lost the 2023 grand final... by 4 points.

[@Tosicc567]

"durrrr their window is over durrrrr" they've gotten even younger and won the flag lol he's written the lions off for 4 years now

[@sbd9907]

Kingy, you need to apologise for your comments on Faigs earlier in the year to save your credibility.

[@stevelozevski8151]

Get over it

[@DunningKrugerJnr]

@@stevelozevski8151 your salty tears are delicious 😭 😂

[@stevelozevski8151]

@@DunningKrugerJnr salty tears? Is that what you got from that comment? 🤦

[@andrewm6267]

I'm not trying to sack King but maybe he should get some assistance with the Xs and Os

[@PeachTristan]

Bring in Chris Scott to replace him

[@DunningKrugerJnr]

@@PeachTristan😂

[@michaelphillips3713]

Sydney dominated this season. They didn't really get seriously challenged through the finals leading up to the GF. So maybe it was understandable they were 'cocky'. Because they definitely were. Any footage of them pre- the game shows that they thought they had it in the bag. Basically just had to turn up and the magic would continue. Whereas Brisbane knew about vulnerability and so came ready to fight. The result bears this out. So does Heeney taking leave when it was gone. Neale played on with his injury, Heeney owed it to the supporters to do the same; gritted teeth and all.

[@neilpemberton5523]

Great comment. You've summed it all up, I reckon.

[@Michael-uw1rc]

Love listening to this. It is a weekly staple

[@JustinSteele-gd5nu]

22 swans landed in Melbourne, and 22 swans turned to chickens come 2.20 grandfinal day

[@pavementpounder7502]

Swans not exactly the most ferocious of animal mascots to start with. Once Katy Perry sung Roar, you knew the ferocious big cats were on.

[@kimharris2599]

In reflection the Grand Final was played last week against Geelong. Best game ever, Super. Id say Geelong would have put up a better challenge. Sydney , had gaps even before they ran out. Yes they have a handful of exceptional players however when it comes to the crunch 12 Sydney players lacked grit, desire, and desperation to go beyond.And those handful of players that carried the rest were burnt out before the big dance. Great effort yes getting there . Brisbane well deserved.

[@phatboi4557]

What does kingy say bout Fagan if lions go on and create a dynasty and just dominate for the next couple seasons

[@stevelozevski8151]

Probably congratulations

[@rod7139]

The key to Brisbane winning was eliminating the influence the umpires could have on impacting the result through rule interpretation! Stevic tried early penalising Zorko for going over the mark yet did not penalise Sydney for the same infringement, multiple times.

[@nathamwright]

His brand if you want a thing to hang your hat on is humanism,he is a good coach who is a good people person.

[@mitchelltidball6944]

I see a lot of St Kilda 09/10 about this Sydney group. Hope they dont end up the same way, you’d say with a better board and setup behind the scenes they wont, but that group never played the same way

[@taliamason7986]

I honestly don't think the Swans have much of that "bloods" culture that won them those Premierships back in 2005 and 2012 and is shows greatly in their recruitment strategy where ever since that massive 2013 off-season when they brought in Buddy Franklin and Kurt Tippet on those ludicrous contracts they seem to mostly prioritise big flashy names. They don't really go after those hard nosed players and great leaders they had in both those Premiership teams . Guys like Lewis Roberts-Thomsom (who was robbed of that 05 Norm Smith Medal), Ted Richards, Jarrad McVeigh, Brett Kirk, Jude Bolton, Barry Hall, etc. Even their so called 3 supstar midfielders don't want to get their hands dirty put their bodies on the line to win and dominate clearances unlike Adam Goodes and Josh Kennedy. Curious to hear what some Swans fans think?

[@phatboi4557]

Horse could've shifted Luke parker to the midfield after half time to provide some toughness around the ball. Don't know if it would've changed much tho but who knows

[@stevelozevski8151]

They played in the grand final and you're questioning culture. Ive told you before you dont know what the word culture means

[@taliamason7986]

​@@stevelozevski8151Playing in them doesn't mean much if you don't win them. So whether you like it or not the culture has to questioned when a club loses 4 straight with a average margin of almost 60 points.

[@stevelozevski8151]

@@taliamason7986 the culture has to be questioned? I already told you that you don't know what the word means. 🤦

[@taliamason7986]

​@@stevelozevski8151I know it a lot than you do.

[@davidleonard2498]

Brisbane beat Sydney before the finals by 2 points. They knew they could do it again. They won two tough finals and had momentum on their side. Come grand final they were a refined finals team and a steam train. Everything clicked into gear and team synergy took hold. Viva The Underdogs.

[@harrisonperkins9758]

Great analysis Kingy

[@nicholaschamberlain4977]

That you, David?

[@TheLincolnrailsplitt]

David didn't admit his assessment of Fagan's coaching was wrong.🤷‍♂️

[@Fatfritterstravels]

I'm an old guy watching from overseas, king just does have the basic integrity to say he got it wrong about Fagan and the lions. I'm not even a lions supporter. Lost a lot of respect for him and this show.

[@AydensGuitar]

David King was calling for Fagan's head after their bad start to the season lmao

[@craigharris7236]

People are allowed to be wrong .. No industry if everyone is right ...

[@SkandiaAUS]

​@@craigharris7236unless your industry puts itself under pressure to provide an opinion on everything. And position that opinion with enough wiggle room to say "you're putting words in my mouth".

[@bensmith9984]

@@craigharris7236 It's his job.

[@deach5254]

@@bensmith9984 Is it his job to be so wrong? Give him a pay rise.

[@bensmith9984]

@@deach5254 You would have thought it was considering he still (somehow) has that job.

[@matthewpowell9403]

Sydney's current list and coaches won't make grandfinal again. Their damaged goods now. No way they could play a grandfinal again without any semblance of confidence.

[@Jonathan-Sund]

I remember a similar sentiment in 2022?

[@veddyveddygood]

Hope Longmire can see the writing on the wall and bow out gracefully when his contract expires end of 2025. He's had a long and successful run but his time is up at the at the Swans.

[@OliverMisha]

Myths generated by King.

[@matthewpowell9403]

Parker 3 votes last quarter! Your joking ,game was over. Lions just enjoyed the moment.

[@RetroBackslash]

The Lions players were busy hugging each other over on the wing after the Parker goals

[@traviscrockett8885]

Yep, the Lions had put the cue in the rack well before Parker and Warner showed up. Goals in junk time when you're 70 points down is very different than nailing a goal under pressure a la Sidebottom, Crisp, DeGoey, Daniher, Cameron last year.

[@rod7139]

The bulldogs GF win was assisted by the AFL in the fact, that was the first year the pre final bye was introduced which helped them. The GWS final and the GF against Sydney were so poorly umpired in favour of the Bulldogs, there should have been a Royal Commission .

[@debbiediehm2011]

Media criticism leaves a lot to be desired Kingy. If we reviewed you the way you throw criticism around, you’d be out of a job!

[@peterrob-o2112]

It's very simple David King what Chris Fagan's brand of football is - belief and resilience defined by adversity. Nothing sets you up better for success than dealing with disappointment and working through the tough times when things don't go your way. Trust in each other carries you through.

[@AS088]

So happy Brisbane won (:

[@michaelogorman4288]

After beating Geelong I thought Fagan’s press conference summed it up best. Fagan said the in the last home & away game Geelong were 100 points up at 1/2 time & coasts to Victory. Then a Finals bye. They destroyed PA by 80 points & get the week off & wait for the PF. In affect Geelong had not played a close competitive game in a month while Brisbane had a close competitive final against GWS & were match hardened & ready to fight.

[@fozziewossie]

Stuff the haters. This is a great segment with great chemistry.

[@NeilJordan-ie5lo]

Humble pie for King!

[@pavementpounder7502]

Swans should ask Malcolm Blight for some advice. How was Geelong 89-95 different from Adelaide 97-98 in their approach to grand finals?

[@darkmatter7301]

Different team, different club. No previous baggage.

[@MrWilson-zx9ix]

Small margins mean they beat GWS. But small margins mean that Lions finished 5 instead of 1. ‘Trust trumps tactics’ is shit. You can have both. Fagan is humble. King isn’t.

[@fredfish4316]

Well, umpies didn't know who to help.

[@MrSimonKatterl]

Lol King must exhausted from all of those backhanded complements.

[@leonardgarrity6737]

Character shines when you say I got it wrong: not it doesn’t matter Tatts everywhere disappointed as he defends Swans as they are better than that even twice in 3 years same group shame shame

[@jamie_mac]

The want wasn't there from the swans. I wonder if they have "i have to be the hero on the big day" mentality instead of just do my job

[@karmanho4501]

The REAL reason why Sydney lost the Grand Final: They were the favorites. The last three GF losses endured by Sydney they were the favorites. And with Sydney's last GF win, they were not the favorites. Therefore for Sydney to win the next GF... they need to make sure they are not the favorites. Simple. K

[@Jonathan-Sund]

There is no way Sydney were the favourites in 2022, they just scrapped over the line against Collingwood at the SCG in the Prelim whereas Geelong destroyed the Lions by 71 points, Geelong were by far the best team all year?

[@karmanho4501]

@@Jonathan-Sund You're probably correct with regards the finals formline. I just recalled the commentary around Geelong were that they were "too old, and too slow", whereas Sydney were a lot younger and hungrier. So from that perspective, Sydney were the favorites. It wouldn't have suprised anyone had they won in 2022, but they didn't, so it's all moot now k

[@Jonathan-Sund]

@@karmanho4501 I think you might be confused with 2021 season, everyone was tipping Geelong “Both clubs entered the game in strong form and on long winning streaks, Geelong having won its last fifteen games, and Sydney having won its last nine games.Geelong was the strong favourite, the TAB offering odds of $1.47 for a Geelong victory against Sydney's $2.70 on game day”

[@darkmatter7301]

Don’t worry I’m pretty sure they made sure they won’t be going in as favourites in their next GF appearance!

[@nathamwright]

ha ha is all i can muster kingy.

[@scarlettwoman7880]

Sydney no pressure is what happened. Brisbane Lions pressure and absolute belief and connection between coach and players and players with players. That is what happened in 2024

[@JM-ns7nk]

Get a dog up ya king

[@GarryAtkinson-z4t]

You can see why nobody want king as a assistant coach hed be rattling off stats while the opposition are scoring relentlessly

[@AndrewHyett]

It wasn't a Goulden moment🎉

[@GarryAtkinson-z4t]

King and his stats,he trying to say praise without praiseing fagan and the team

[@andrewcarruthers5357]

Patrick Cripps 3 votes. !

[@scotmclaughlin2113]

This season is as the season the whole media landscape was full of BS , first year I couldn’t buy in except for Nathan Buckley comments , he seemed the only one that embraced it was a crazy season

[@177thailand]

So from now on when King and Robbo are making comments about games players and coaches I think it's time to switch off they're just both a pair of backstabbers

[@Darky.]

King is king when it comes to being deadset wrong lol

[@SPHARKS11]

giving 3 votes to a sydney player in last quarter is a bit of a joke. Game was over

[@triplem908]

David king is sad kunt give the guy his flowers 😢

[@alexvilla5277]

I find it hard to listen to David King sometimes. He seems to have an obsession with the details of the game all adding up. The lions imo won this game with all the intangibles. The group psyche and effort outcompeted the swans

[@AndrewHyett]

2025 Grand final rematch. #Swanniesvlionsrematch

[@davidallen2058]

There was no point even reviewing the last Q.

[@DaveBray-l7h]

Mr king u r so unprofessional... Grow up and give credit where its do... U hate of chris fagan..so victorian u cannot except anyone winning from out of state. So So sad 13:16

[@davidw4987]

Sydney were weirdly tentative. I put it down partly to the weather. It was very sunny with a strong cross wind - not great for footy. Sydney did not adapt.

[@DunningKrugerJnr]

😂😂😂

[@TheLincolnrailsplitt]

Are you serious?😂😂

[@darthpunk5455]

Sack Hinkley.

[@ozzymick1431]

Never liked King, suffers verbal diarrhoea. And when players do something good, it's luck. If they make a mistake, it's crap!

[@Aarhzon27]

Typical kingy dribble

[@M-lt6kx]

I still think Fagan got out-coached by Chris Scott on the day.

[@DunningKrugerJnr]

😂

[@Antvvv]

2 minute drills, x's and o's. That's why this analysis is unbearable anymore it's just doesn't make sense.

[@chrisrex9086]

not a great GF

[@AFLTragic]

The reason Sydney keep folding in grand finals is the same reason Port Adelaide can finish top 2. There’s not many good teams. Very poor era of AFL. Probably a lagging effect of the expansion teams.

[@_..Justin-Case.._]

What?

[@S3018146]

Perhaps, if true though it speaks very poorly of teams that fail year after year.

[@brono7777]

@@_..Justin-Case.._agree What a poor take

[@lexsaunders1742]

What a load of nonsense and an insult to the Brisbane players.

[@deach5254]

lol.

[@ivxample]

Why is King a specialist? He has got every single GF and final series wrong and by a fair margin.