Fall of Sparta

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[@tsarzamancorpdna]

The ghost of Xerxes seeing Sparta get turned into a Roman tourist trap: Nah that's crazy

[@shadowborn1456]

Happy Persian and Roman moment

[@HistoryWithD-n9y]

@@shadowborn1456 I think xerxes would've been saddened that his most formidable enemy was desecrated like this.

[@shadowborn1456]

@@HistoryWithD-n9y Nah bro every body in this world care about their own people

[@beoweasel]

@@shadowborn1456 I don't know if I'd say "Happy Persian" moment, as Sparta was essentially it's ally and attack dog among the Greek City States after the Peace of Antalcidas.

[@kongming66]

​@@HistoryWithD-n9ySparta was far from Persia's most formidable enemy. No one outside Greece even attributed Thermopylae to the Spartans until much later. At best Agesilaus managed to ramp up the threat the Greek city states posed at the time by actually campaigning in Anatolia, but they resolved that in the end. The Athenians, Egyptians and especially the Scythians did much more damage to Persia than Sparta ever did.

[@patri8489]

Spartans' way of life, culture and thinking is what made them fall. Their egoism of being "the supersoldiers" of their era, the belief that Sparta is perfect as it is, no reforms needed, that was their downfall. But that also is what made them legends until today and for centuries to come.

[@curiositycloset2359]

Kind of quite the opposite. Problem was that they did relax their practises, started using money etc. And too much bum fun

[@ElBandito]

@@curiositycloset2359 Nah, the "Gays caused the downfall of civilization" non-sense is just that; nonsense.

[@patri8489]

@@curiositycloset2359they did because they were too secure because of past glory. Eventually they would use money. Corruption is nigh inevitable in any state in history

[@takemeout5687]

@@curiositycloset2359 they did hange but it was already too late. The reforms came decades late and they were already in their twilight years

[@John-mh5pc]

Finnally the boy phuuking came to an end

[@petervoller3404]

Hi all, I was one of the sriptwriters and researchers for this series, hope you enjoyed it! If you've got any questions or feedback for me, please do leave them below, I do my best to get around to all of them! ERRATA: The video says only women could inherit land, which was not the case, men could as well. I explain the problem more below: To focus on women for a bit, we first need to establish the idea that Spartiates each had a designated plot of land, a farmstead basically. In order to maintain rank as a Spartiate, each male Spartiate had to contribute a certain amount towards their communal mess. This is fine, in theory, because each Spartiate has a farmstead to supply the resources needed to keep their Spartiate status. The fact that women could inherit land is not, in and of itself, a problem (Roman women could and they got by just fine). The problem is that when combined with the laws that meant a Spartiate had to contribute to the mess. Imagine, for example, that you have a family of a mum, dad, a son and a daughter. If the son dies, then when the parents die, the land is likely to be inherited by the daughter. Now say that this daughter has two sons. Once she dies, the land is now going to have to be split two ways between the sons. So, the farmstead that was originally only for one Spartiate is now divided into two. This would still be the case though if it was a man passing land to his two sons. The point here is that the inheritance laws were crap from the start because it would inevitably result in land becoming more and more divided and Spartiates having smaller and smaller farmsteads. The real problem here is that men had to contribute to the mess or else lose their citizen status, while women did not. This means that Spartiate men were often being kicked out of the citizen ranks, while women weren't. Because only Spartan citizens could own land, this led to Spartan women owning a ton of land in Sparta. As more and more men lost their status, their little bits of land were being absorbed by the few rich Spartiates left, men and women. As a result, but the the 330s, for example, about 40% of land was owned by women. That's not the cause of the problem though, it's a *symptom* of the problem. To try and counter this, the Spartans took some pretty grim measures to try and ensure that women were having kids (husbands leasing them out to younger men to 'breed' and other nasty stuff). The video cites Doran saying that female emancipation leads to lower birth rates, which is true, but the problem is that women in Sparta were not that emancipated. By Greek standards, they did have some notable advantages over, say, Athenian women, but they were still subjected to laws and customs created by men that tried to control what they did with their bodies. The video does not explain this well and is flawed there. Obviously, the problem here is not women inheriting land (which is what Aristotle claimed) or them having rights, the problem is the archaic system that required male Spartans to produce a certain amount to be able to remain citizens. If you want a system where everyone has their own plot of land in order to give back to the state, then the only way to do that is to make sure that land is not inherited by ANYONE and is redistributed upon the death of a Spartiate. Or you need to revise the laws that say that for men to be citizens they need to contribute a certain amount to the mess. The fundamental flaw of Sparta was always it's gross inability to adapt and change the laws regarding citizen status, compounded by the inheritance laws.

[@aimansafwan1997]

Hi, long time non-member subscriber here. There has been a debate in the comments whether the modernization in Sparta could either potentially benefit or hinder the state of the fiercely isolated city-state in the long-term. What is your opinion on this?

[@petervoller3404]

​@@aimansafwan1997 Great question! In my opinion, and I stress this is only my take and that others might disagree, the thing that people are missing a little bit is that there are two ethos in conflict with each other in Sparta on the one hand, you have the desire to maintain some kind of an empire, on the other, a desire to keep the traditional values of Spartan society. These ideas are at loggerheads with each other; you can't simultaneously be inward focused with an idea of Spartan exceptionalism and distrust of outsiders, while simultaneously attempting to establish an empire over numerous states, all who different cultures, politics, etc. So, one of those ideas has to give. You can either keep the Empire and modernise your society, or you scrap the Empire and focus on internal issues. So, to answer the question: it *could* have benefitted Sparta if she really embraced the idea of abandoning isolationism and exceptionalism, but because they did not embrace those ideas, the modernisation efforts could never work because they clashed so starkly with traditional Spartan values. I suppose that a more dramatic way of saying it would be to say that the modernising could only really work if the Spartans effectively abandoned the idea of what it was to be Spartan.

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[@maciek8172]

What happened to the helots after Sparta fell?

[@jedisith85]

I love these long version of any series. Thank You!

[@pingu4434]

It's really fascinating how Sparta, being a militaristic state, didn't seem bothered enough over centuries by how small their army got.

[@Tiger74147]

Ultimately they would rather not exist than compromise their values. I can respect that, but they were such jerks I don't feel sorry for them.

[@williameastman9044]

It was self fulfilling doom by attrition. By law they had to be warriors, but it required slave support, which was harder to enforce with fewer numbers. Thus they had to patrol more per capita and thus lowering the birth rate further.

[@Michael-kd1ho]

The Spartan king Agesilaus is considered both the most influential and the last truly great warrior king of Sparta, having reigned for roughly 40 years during Spartas' heyday and subsequent decline following the Peloponesian War. Ironically, he was a good friend of Xenophon - an Athenian - who wrote a history of his reign. It is to Xenophons' account that history attributes one of the most famous laconic phrases, supposedly said by Agesilaus during his campaign in Asia Minor, when he learned that the Persian satrap is bribing other Greek polises to war on Sparta - "I am driven from Asia by ten thousand archers." Persian coins had images of Median archers on them.

[@user-McGiver]

Xenophon was a traitor to the Athenians, an aristocrat always following totalitarian regimes, Persians, Spartans whoever... even his name means ''Foreign voice'' [ Xeni-phoni] in a way ancient Greek names were most likely ''nicknames'' describing a person's character...

[@psychopomp7669]

I’d argue cleomenes is the final great/influential king. Agesilaus walked so Cleomenes could run.

[@abcdef27669]

"This city was famous for it's warriors... What happened here?!" - Alaric the Goth, during his campaign in Age of Empires II.

[@sirunklydunk8861]

Don't feel bad for the man who dies in a blaze of glory, feel bad for the one who died with a whimper

[@tripsaplenty1227]

Aww, I love the rhetoric but thinking about it for 2 seconds make me think I'd rather die peacefully with a whimper in old age than get stabbed to death at 17.

[@rafaelduero6786]

In the country of Greece, the Spartan warriors prevented the Persian empire from conquering Greece Macedonia in Greece was conquered by the Persian Empire

[@KroiAlbanoiArbanon]

Don't feel bad for the chad who died in a blaze of glory. Feel bad for the virgin incel who died without ever hitting a score.

[@shadowborn1456]

​@@KroiAlbanoiArbanonso you call 4 billion men whimper and virgin incels now?

[@ElBandito]

@@rafaelduero6786 Stop being silly. The Spartans didn't even show up in the pivotal Battle of Marathon.

[@DragonsAndDragons777]

The plot twists are insane

[@georgepatton93]

The decline and fall of Sparta is the textbook examples of so many noteworthy scenarios. It showed how long term economy and social planning can affect a civilization, it showed how stagnation can affect a civilization, and it shows how a 3rd party, ie the Persians, can used a cluster fk of a mess in Greek and keep their enemies weak and divided, a scenario we see so many empires practice in the future, and we can also see how a during a fall, a civilization like Sparta can still have some chances to change and recover, but it required too many things going right for it, but credits to the Sparta that they at least try to adapt, they were just becoming a small fish fighting with other medium fishes in a small pond, and about to be swallowed up by a certain apex predator from the West

[@freefall9832]

The rich took all the land and rescinded their own debt. Sparta was left with mercenaries and no citizens.

[@JetFighters]

And we still haven't figured out how to beat economic stagnation or prevent it occurring.

[@Kane9378]

well said.

[@1998topornik]

Nice summary!

[@OriginsandFirsts-2024]

The fall of Sparta began with its defeat at the Battle of Leuctra in 371 BCE, which ended its military dominance in Greece. The liberation of the Messenian helots further weakened its economy and population. Although Sparta continued as a city-state, it never regained its former power, ultimately becoming a minor player in Greek affairs by the time of the Roman conquest.

[@alteredbeast7145]

Gaius Marius, one of the originators of the Legions, and heavy infantry in general, was inspired by both Alexander in the strayegic sense and the Spartans in the training of a professional standing army.

[@pripri632]

@AncientandModern At that time not existed something called "Graikia", even not before 1830 when Moscovian tsardom and their allies like bavarian king Otto created a new artificial creature in MOREA called "Hellada"...

[@matthijs_de_ligt]

Hellenes​@@pripri632

[@curiositycloset2359]

@@pripri632 o, I don't know. Greece was certainly considered an entity, of some sort, far earlier than that. I recall the holy roman emporer insulting Byzantium by referring to the emporer as greek rather than roman.

[@pripri632]

@@curiositycloset2359 At that time never had existed something called "Graikia", not before 1830 when the Moscovian tsardom and their allies like bavarian king Otto created a new artificial creature in MOREA called "Hellada"... In that area nowadays named "Graikia" (Greece engl.) at that time lived 12 different peoples, 12 different languages.. After 1830 the head of the Orthodox Church in Constantino-poï (Constantinople engl.) they decided to use only that one dead byzantine language (koiné graikoï) which one existed only in religious clerical use. Imagine only that, if in same way now the head of Catholic Church in Vatican they will decide to use dead LATIN language over whole Italy !!!

[@ArchonShon]

Almost two hours!? The amount of work that went into this video must have been immense.

[@beyondeconomics]

I can’t imagine the amount of work that went into the making of this video, and I am not even a third of the way through it.

[@OriginsandFirsts-2024]

Great efforts

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Lots of AI went into making this video

[@beyondeconomics]

@@guitarbush05 Can you blame them?

[@petervoller3404]

@@guitarbush05 I co-wrote the script and can assure you, no AI was used in creating it

[@hfhd7889]

@@petervoller3404 could you provide the works of the ancient sources used for the video?

[@razzaus1570]

Everybody always says "this is sparta" But no one ever asks "how is sparta"

[@thatoneguy5856]

And even fewer people ask “why is Sparta”

[@OriginsandFirsts-2024]

Movies' influence

[@balabanasireti]

Old and lazy 🥱

[@dx-ek4vr]

Nowadays, people say "that was Sparta"

[@user-McGiver]

where are you from again...?

[@realtomic]

“Come back with your shield or upon it” - Spartan Mother … definitely one of my favorite quotes, I remember back in the day it was featured in the original Rome Total War, and has stuck with me ever since.

[@curiositycloset2359]

@@realtomic look up Tyrtaeus' poem on losing his shield. Spartans aren't all that they are presented.

[@jamesminter70]

Yeah it’s another fake legend

[@FHMER21]

You mean "300" lol

[@kenon6968]

you should read all the laeconic saying

[@ericbruce11]

You guys are amazing! Thank you for this

[@SeArCh4DrEaMz]

I absolutely agree

[@limmeh7881]

There’s probably a civilisation out there that was badass, went out in a blaze of glory, and was forgotten.

[@Tribecasoothsayer]

Lots of em, probably

[@Mittens-f2v]

Yeah its a shame, although some historians and other great warriors might see their noble enemy remembered in the history books as it was part of their prestige to have emerged victorious , but as you say surely many who driven victors would have scrubbed some people's glory from the history books. People often have these notions about what they would like to do if they had a time traveling machine , if I got one trip where I could spectate one of these terrific battlefields oh I would die a happy happy man.

[@thomasrinschler6783]

Good to see some coverage of Epaminondas, even if just incidentally. It's almost criminal how one of the greatest military minds of Classical Greece gets so overlooked.

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Nothing's better than long full videos great work again

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Short videos are great too😊

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@@OriginsandFirsts-2024 true. Can't fault on that haha

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As a Lacedaemonian myself, I'm glad to see our story being told

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Michael Smith? Something's wrong here...

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As Phaanabarzus himself, I'm glad the story of my crushing of the spartan fleet was told.

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I just published an article about this on my Substack! "It’s Not Men Who Think About the Roman Empire that Concern Me-It’s Men Who Revere the Spartans".

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I would die for Total War game set in the golden age of ancient Greece...Amazing video!

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Iirc there is a campaign mode set in the Peloponnesian Wars in Rome II, closest we'll get so far

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It's called the "Wrath of Sparta" DLC, quite good actually

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It exists. Sold separately, of course... 😓

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Macedonian empire

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Small detail, Philip II is shown with a scar on his left eye first and later on with a scar on his right eye.

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SPARTANS!!! PREPARE FOR HISTORY!!! 🏋💪

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This myth is too widespread.​@@crabked

[@thomasrinschler6783]

Thanks for making this excellent video K&G! Too often post-Peloponnesian War Greece is ignored (outside of Alexander of course), and it's always good to see some light shed on the period.

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A video so nice gonna watch it twice. Then alot more later

[@OriginsandFirsts-2024]

It's worth it

[@varun_MRG]

38:29 Spears shall be shaken Shields shall be splintered

[@amfa42]

TYVM! now I have something decent to watch while having Saturday breakfast 😂

[@jaohonaxa]

Sparta might be the most romanticized culture of its era. Like everyone’s heard of their military skills, but fewer know about their massive slave population they routinely culled. Everyone’s heard of the last stand of the 300 as them defending all of Greece, but not as many know about how they dominated it after to the point where the word “tyrant” now has its modern connotation. They reaped what the sowed

[@Xazamas]

Sparta defeated Athens in the Peloponnese War. Fast forward to modern day. Athens is the capital of Greece. Sparta is a pile of ruin, neglected by even the tourists.

[@curiositycloset2359]

Its true, and some people have never heard of slave morality

[@ElBandito]

Meanwhile the much maligned Persian Empire did not practice slavery.

[@MojoBonzo]

@@ElBandito no ofc they didnt... in fact they wanted to conquer everybody because they simply wanted to be multicultural... pretty much like alexander the leftist... they didnt kill people... they sent them to farms, where they met other people and had tons of fun and games... it is known

[@dudeb.2740]

@@ElBandito wtf. Of course Persia practiced slavery too.

[@user-McGiver]

we Greeks feel better having to fight among ourselves than conquering others! we leave that to everyone else! That's what makes us feel unique... and keeps us trained and ready to face any attacker, domestic or foreign...

[@016.kazinakibafjal2]

Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans beg to differ

[@EM-tx3ly]

Well till Philip the one eyed general and his blonde ambitious son Alexander united you lot by force But then again after Alexander’s death “To the Strongest “ made you guys split again

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(mostly domestic)

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[@Rogue_Centurion]

I think that the decline of Sparta is very well encapsulated in he historical fiction book , The Spartan Dagger, by Nicolas Guild. It’s set several decades after the end of the Peloponnesian War, and it brings in the culture of Sparta, its treatment of the Helots, and its foreign policies that led to its downfall at the hands of Epaminondas and Thebes. I recommend this book to anybody who wants a vivid description of the culture of the Ancient Greek city-states at the time.

[@thefakerking51]

Can you imagine how powerful Greece could have been if they had united culturally and not constantly took foreign money to fight each other? If they had supported Sparta against Persia they could have won Asia Minor. If they had not assassinated Alexander they could have became the Roman empire before Rome was ever in power. Instead they constantly sold eachother out.

[@kingtryfon5702]

yea greeks are described with civil wars during all their history starting from myceanean not united kingdoms to archaic greece that had every city autonomus to classical greece that saw the whole greece fighting to hellenistic greece that got fractured to powers like the ptolemaic seleucid macedonian pontian pergamese rhodian achaian kingdoms to roman greece which saw not really fighting at all to eastern roman greece that indeed had alot of civil wars even at the 1821 indepence war there was a civil war inside the revolution that could have ended it without the great powers intervencion

[@dillinger1312]

What about the civil war right after WWII ..? ... THATS the Classic greeks Just Being greeks moment

[@BoxStudioExecutive]

you may as well say that about every cultural group that existed

[@user-McGiver]

@@dillinger1312 Communism is still an international enemy...

[@Rynewulf]

@@thefakerking51 Sparta sided WITH Persia as many times as it fought it. In the aftermath of the Peloponnesian Wars one of the reasons Thebes and Corinth turned on them was because of their repeat diplomacy with Persia: including trying to get Persia to reinvade Greece in response to a recently beaten Sparta being unable to block the reformation of the Delian League. No one wanted to help them with their rebellions in Messenia or get them involved in Greek affairs again, because whenever they did they inevitably went running to the Persians for help- and even the Persians considered them beneath notice. Its telling that even by the time of Alexander, Macedon and the Greeks deliberately didnt bother asking for Spartan troops and easily crushed a Spartan anti-Macedon rebellion with garrison troops alone

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Such a huge endeavour to make this. Thank you ❤

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Exactly, i like it too.

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one of the best

[@xXsosotaXx]

The Battle of Nemea. Wow that’s truly mind blowing, even imagining what the battlefield was like back then. True warriors. On both sides!

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Never before have so few men made such a huge impact on the world.

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Definitely after

[@sologamer3122]

Founding fathers spring to mind personally.

[@TheHistoryDiscovery]

Sparta is such a fascinating topic! It’s truly unfortunate to see how a powerful city like that gradually fell over time. This video really helped me understand that process better.

[@inconemay1441]

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[@Giorg189]

Much appreciated that you refer to Greece as Hellas, which is the correct name, and how Greeks call their country.

[@baz_alex3557]

Imagine how powerful the Greeks would be if they united and didn't kill eachother. Any capable system with good leaders and competent commanders would have done the same or even more than Alexander the Great.

[@SlimeJime]

wouldn't be greeks if they weren't killing each other over century-old goatherding disputes

[@matthijs_de_ligt]

Macedonian is ancient greek united greek with hellenic league (league of corinth)

[@curiositycloset2359]

Though, the machine of empire is in some way worse than the dynamic city states. City states that culturally had more impact globally than any empire (bar probably the real ancient ones).

[@lettuceman9439]

I mean they did unify and was the only centralized european state in the middle ages under the Byzantine Empire, Orthodox Christian see Byzantium as their Ancient Greece but then again... the latins, turks and greeks happened

[@curiositycloset2359]

@@baz_alex3557 and remember, empires were considered an eastern, feminine structure, at this time. Practised by the slave people of Persia.

[@The_MKUltra]

Recently read about Thebes and Epaminondas. Awesome work.

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Now? You drop this now?! Gentlemen, I have a law exam tomorrow! Have you no shame?!

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Prepare for the exam, the video will be here. Good luck!

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@@KingsandGenerals GOATed response

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Did you bring glory? (How'd it go)

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Hey Kings and Generals! Awesome vid, you must have put in a lot of hard work and effort into making this, and I'm truly glad for your entertaining and educative videos. Like seriously, KZbin could do so much better with people like you around! Btw, was wondering if you could do a video on the Battle of Changping during the Warring States period, it is also sometimes considered the ''bloodiest'' battle of antiquity because of the sheer number of deaths and casualties:)

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks and noted!

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Yeah, honestly the whole reign of the first Chinese emperor who was addicted to mercury would be fun to watch. 👍

[@The_Hardtimer]

@@KingsandGenerals Yaaay!! Would love to see a video on that 😄♥

[@The_Hardtimer]

@@williamyoung9401 Agreed! The Warring States is also a really infamous period of time in China as well, other than three kingdoms :D

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We appreciate your support!

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Ooooh I'm so excited for this. I'll watch it tonight.

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This was Sparta!

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Congrats on endorsing a dictatorship, bad working conditions and a cheap, aggressive industry.

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Great video good job once again ❤

[@MrKconnell1]

THIS IS SPARTA! Awesome work.

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A nearly 2-hour documentary by Kings amd Generals? Let's fucking go

[@87degreez]

Can you do a video about Paeonia? It would be very interesting! Keep up with the good work, love your videos!

[@mitsakos4727]

As an Athenian, I would rather to see a united Greece at those times under Spartan system like Rome did to Italy than these stupid city states. Sparta was lacking at reforms and adaptations.

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Wow! Absolutely brilliant video!!

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[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks!

[@brucepoole8552]

A strong middle class is the only way to avoid the pitfalls that has caused many civilizations to fall.

[@curiositycloset2359]

@@brucepoole8552 hmm well, given the middle class have really only existed in our time, and we are yet to fall, you can't really make that point. We will see if the bourgeois survive the r0oad to feudalism

[@brucepoole8552]

@@curiositycloset2359 perhaps, but what has always been lacking in history is the will of the common people to be foremost.

[@curiositycloset2359]

@@brucepoole8552 I would just say, the Spartans only lost their middle class when they adopted money. We can't even imagine their world.

[@brucepoole8552]

@@curiositycloset2359 spartans never had a middle class, they had slaves

[@wahahahful]

What an amazing video, great job.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks!

[@jimbobbob9063]

Love Your videos. Thank you

[@juxta4183]

such a great channel , really sparked my interest in history, thanks for that!

[@THEBIGE.]

Damn at work and this gem dropped 😢

[@nemos9856]

Its my birthday and KIngsandGenerals drops this banger 🥰

[@Thsishb]

Amazing stuff keep up the good work I can see why these take ages to make especially the over hour episodes but I love watching them please never give up so much history to still be explored and told plus ur voice u are the David Attenborough of history 👍👌👏

[@mihajlo7893]

Thank you for this great video..Поздрав из Србије...

[@BryceJose97]

Their rigid culture is what made them great & what eventually led to their downfall. If you’re not evolving, you are dying. This rule applies for ANYTHING or anyone. To the individual person, or to the greatest empires.

[@KHK001]

Amazing video as always!

[@OriginsandFirsts-2024]

Same opinion

[@kerim63000]

Spartans would've wished this way... Survival of the fittest

[@AbhyudayaSinh]

Very informative❤❤❤ Love these long format videos✨✨

[@sunnyinvladivostok]

19:42 Can it be a Pyrrhic victory, if Pyrrhus of Epirus wasn't even born yet?? :)

[@ikballalli5539]

😅

[@sunnyinvladivostok]

@@ikballalli5539 glad one person got it :) cheers mate

[@curiositycloset2359]

Far better to use pyrrhic anachronistically than all the conts retroactively projecting their morality, thinking they are gooder than the spartans

[@idruvak]

This one was really good. Im going to watch the whole thing again

[@thestanleys3657]

"Spartan's never die, just missing in action"

[@ArenTvUa]

One of the greatest channel in KZbin, when I'll be able, I would surely become a youtube member, the amount of work, effort and everything put into this masterpiece is amazing, thank you for yor work K&G

[@KingsandGenerals]

We appreciate it!

[@ArenTvUa]

@@KingsandGenerals 🫡

[@jrdosreis6484]

55:34 is it tegaen or Texan

[@jevinliu4658]

Autocorrect probably

[@KingsandGenerals]

Tegean is the more accepted term, but some sources have it almost like "tehan"

[@michaelsmyth3935]

Very good. Nice to see the story told so well.

[@m.d.692]

I cant watch this. It hurts too much

[@nick.v.g]

nice a new long episode thank you for that always like those more then the shorter ones.

[@jozzieokes3422]

Amazing

[@Gmiaoulis]

Nice work. That was an amazing documentary. Thank you very much

[@Stallion-EC]

Well, don't mind if I do

[@Battleblunt420]

This is a better Spartan documentary than timeline did lol

[@prestonak]

THIS WAS SPARTA!!!

[@Mr.Goop92]

Love your chanel comming from big fans of history. I learn so much thank you for an amazing vedios!❤

[@woeshaling6421]

If there is a Spartan martial skill that outshines every other in history, that would most likely be to tell an impressive story. Having a reputation did more for Sparta than whatever the soldiers did on the battlefield

[@Iusti018]

Great video! Thanks :-) Keep up the great work!

[@ASMRHistorywithSophie]

If the Persians or Spartans could see what Zack Snyder did to them in the movie 300 they'd team up just to take him down 😂 Edit: Zack Snyder not Ridley Scott*

[@pleb3462]

So true 😂

[@TheGreatWarDaily]

I liked 300 but agreed it wasn't exactly historically accurate

[@KingsandGenerals]

Ridley Scott did not direct that movie.

[@ntonisa6636]

You mean Zack Snyder?

[@ASMRHistorywithSophie]

It's easy to get confused between two directors who both make innacurate historical movies 💁‍♂️

[@PristineRene]

And here I thought the animation is already great and now.. nahh it's getting better. Great and informative content as always. Now I also want the fall of Athens.

[@Lorendrawn]

Spartan principle makes sense. Keep your life simple.

[@987zyx]

Thank You, this is just a great video and topic