Teutoburg Forest 9 AD - Roman-Germanic Wars DOCUMENTARY

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In our previous historical animated documentaries we have covered the Cimbrian War, and although the Roman empire was a clear victor, the conflicts between the Romans and the Germanic tribes continued well into the imperial era. During the reign of Augustus, the Romans expanded beyond the Rhine river and that led to one of the most iconic battles in history - the battle of the Teutoburg Forest
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[@KingsandGenerals]

These Eagles are not lost yet: bit.ly/2GFCuFE

[@veryfieddoctor7450]

Our Admin our General... 🏅

[@JamesBu11]

Great video as always, but I have a quick question: You estimate the figure to be 30,000 Romans with Varus yet there were only 3 Legions which would normally be approximately 15,000. How were those Legions made up? Also FYI you placed Tiberius in Crete and not Rhodes.

[@HistoryTimes]

What is the logic(explanation) behind the name Armenius?

[@louisswanepoel1614]

The man who dares steal these eagle standards shall loose his head.

[@nathanslijkhuis7159]

they only retrieve 2 i think it was

[@cheerfulpessimist952]

Publius Quinctilius Varus: "Don't worry guys, I have a plan!" *Publius Quinctilius Varus has left the game (disconnect by user)*

[@MalayArcher]

Cheerful Pessimist LOL

[@heathenfire]

So true😂

[@kaisermoneybags4450]

+1 Cunning

[@cristhianramirez6939]

A SHARP and STABBING plan *Varus kills himself*

[@jennylee9278]

He was planning to sue them into poverty.

[@MrDuckTrollson]

When you're marching through Teutoburg forest and suddenly hear: Guten Tag

[@KapiteinKrentebol]

They would respond with "Scheiße!" in Latin.

[@gyanmarcorole]

@@KapiteinKrentebol or merda

[@toddharig8142]

Ich bin ein Berliner

[@juliusnorr3041]

*Italian school Trip to Germany* Kids stay Out of the Forests!

[@BritishJamaican777]

I love the German strategy here! No wonder children's stories make forests so scary!

[@shaun_177]

I can only imagine the horror these legions went through. I'm in the military myself and was stationed in Italy for a few years. A lot of training in the alps and Germany. Been to many of these locations and we would talk about it on guard at night. Looking out at the sea of endless trees. Dark, foggy, damp and cold. Just imagining being a Roman Soldier looking into those woods thinking there are thousands of warriors in there waiting to rip my heart out . And this is their backyard.

[@ciaranmck4469]

You think that was bad you should hear about the Romans who went there 6 years later to find the bodies, let's just say it was well documented

[@shaun_177]

@@ciaranmck4469 you got sources on it ? I'd like to read it

[@ciaranmck4469]

@@shaun_177 timeline world history made a documentary on this battle (its mostly about stuff we found there in the modern day)

[@shaun_177]

@@ciaranmck4469 cool ill check it out thanks !

[@ciaranmck4469]

@Default Name yeah mate no one asked

[@HistoryTime]

Give me back my Legions!!

[@AnhTrieu90]

No

[@baldwinslab]

Poor Augustus!

[@michanycz7166]

Only if you say it in Brian Blessed's voice. ;-)

[@romelnegut2005]

Hello Pete.

[@user-wb7ur4yp6z]

Quintili Vare, legiones redde!

[@MalayArcher]

Note: I made a huge mistake at 5:40 showing Tiberius in Crete than Rhodes and also, Actium at the very beginning. . A Thousand apologies for that. As always, here are ROME II mods which we used solely for this video: - Leo's Imperial legions of Rome - Celticus' environment HD and flora HD - Celticus' Marian Romans - GEMFX - Enhanced Particle Attila TW: - Ancient Empires Best wishes, Malay Archer ڤمانه ملايو

[@louisswanepoel1614]

Whoops

[@greekviking5987]

saved me the time of writing a comment to say that cheers

[@son_of_alandalus]

Malay Archer did an oopsie

[@jordinagel1184]

Malay Archer *laughs in Minoan*

[@truthissacred]

I see you everywhere

[@lennartherix6872]

One intresting fact is, that due to the heavy rain the roman schields were soaked and to heavy to fight which deprived them of their first defense line

[@KingsandGenerals]

Good note!

[@rmtheg234]

Not to mention strong winds along with rain, which made the roman shields acted like sails.

[@romelnegut2005]

Indeed. I don't remember if there were archers present there but if they were, the bows would have been useless as well.

[@bkjeong4302]

Basically; the Roman legions were incredibly effective if they could fight in the open under good conditions. These weren’t good conditions.

[@TheChiconspiracy]

​@@bkjeong4302 They were strung out and lost the significant advantage of the mass pila barrage, which did a lot to shatter the morale of the enemy. Though I never pictured the Romans as being inherently at a disadvantage out of open combat, after all, they had a LOT of experience in siege battles, which outnumbered open field battles by a wide margin.

[@R3GARnator]

Fun fact: Due to this battle, Creative Assembly gave German and Holy Roman Empire generals at the start of their respective Rome Total War and Medieval Ii Total War, traits that made them better in ambushes.

[@KingsandGenerals]

See, I had no idea!

[@roodborstkalf9664]

Not without reason, this was one of the best ambushes ever

[@tonytruong861]

It's all fun and games until the trees speak german.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Pretty much!

[@EmilReiko]

@ParadoxInteractivePlay prote-old german i belive

[@Gray13475]

Pre-Proto-Germanic and Proto-Germanic had evolved into the West Germanic, East Germanic and North Germanic Dialects by the Common Era. The Cherusci, were West Germanic and Ingvaeonic(Old Saxon/Low German, Old Frisian/Frisian Languages, Old English/English); ultimately forming into one of the contingents of the Saxon People(s), by 300 AD. They are lost to History after that. Cherusci, could come from either/or or both Ancient Germanic roots of *Herut(Hart/Modern English: Deer) and *Heru(Old English: Heoru/Modern English: Sword).

[@thurianwanderer]

Usually, I hate to waste food for some random trolls, but, oh boy, I had a good laugh! Whatever you'd try to prove: In 9 AD the language the Cherusci spoke was a Germanic one (Pliny actually connected them with the Erminonic group), although it's considered Proto-Germanic, we may already assume slowly diverged dialectal forms (see Ingvaeones, Istvaeones, Erminones) or at least first traces of an early West Germanic. *Segimêriz (Segimerius), *Ingwamêriz (Inguiomerus), *Harjamêriz (Chariomerus) still show the Proto-Germanic ê, three centuries later *Hnôdomâri / *Wadomâri / *Suomâri, *Swâmâri? (Chnodomarius 357, Vadomarius 361, Suomarius 4th century), thus the process of the West Germanic lowering of ê to â might have appeared between the first and fourth century. Old High German is a term introduced in the 19th century, it describes a dialectal continuum which took part in the second sound shift (6th to 8th century) and obviously separated from the Old Low German continuum (Old Saxon, Old Low Frankish), within itself O.H.G never was a singular language, but still people mistake it, comparing it to the late standardized Modern German language (Dachsprache). O.H.G as well as Middle High German and in fact New High German have always been collective terms. The O.H.G period stretched roughly from the 7th/8th to the 11th century. (The 2. sound shift might have started in the 6th century, there's not much evidence though. Butilinius (*Butilîn) an Alamannic duke in the mid 6th century, in other sources the same name appears as Buccelenus (*Buzzilîn), which clearly indicates the second sound shift. It's considerable, that you'll bring up the so called Nordwestblock hypothesis by Hans Kuhn, who implies, that Cherusci as Chatti as well derived from an unknown people that might have lived there at the lower Rhine along the coast in modern day Netherlands and Belgium, probably 1. another nameless Indo-European branch or 2. a small remnant of a pre-Indo-European / Old European people. Connected with the Belgae people, who are seen as those candidates, during Caesar's time, he described the Belgae unspecifically as a confederation of mixed Celtic and Germanic tribes. For some cases, I find it quite interesting, that the Istvaeonic/Iscvaeonic group (which later built the ground for the tribal federation of the Franks) along the Rhine appears somewhat secluded. Whether do we know what the name of the Istvaeones ment (Ist-/Isc-, depending on the reading of the remaining medieval copies of Taciti Germania, in the Carolingian minuscle c and t sometimes had a similar shape, especially in this case c after the long s = ſ , the connecting line is usually drawn from the hook downwards) - nor do we know what exactly separated them from the Erminones and Ingvaeones.

[@calencrawford2195]

@New Jones ,you act as if you hover above us all. Sorry to state, but your education is meaningless without understanding. Do you know the meaning of the previous statement, , or do you fail to recognize it?

[@Mattyhollis]

PUBLIUS QUINCTILIUS VARUUUUS, GIVE ME BACK MY LEGIONS!

[@Shreendg]

Molon Labe - Armenius, probably.

[@MijnAfspeellijst1234]

i was waiting for this :D

[@MijnAfspeellijst1234]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZfUk2aZhbWZq68

[@markuhler2664]

They need a necromancer. But a Zombie Legion would be bad ass.

[@jamescox2452]

He was rumoured to have banged his head on a wall whilst yelling this

[@eriklambert7272]

I'm going out on a limb and saying he never got those legions back...

[@KingsandGenerals]

Not even close. :-)

[@blazedyoda8608]

Why couldn't he get those legions back? Isn't he the emperor?

[@OfficiallyDevin]

If you count getting their corpses back as the next best thing, he won't be completely out of luck - watch out for that in the next germanic wars video eh? :D

[@ThinkerYT]

lmao!

[@louisswanepoel1614]

Perception 10000000

[@txgunguy2766]

What I like about this channel's battle animations is the visible damage to the unit indicators and the busting glass sound when they are destroyed. That's pretty cool.

[@jamiejamie9549]

Rome 2 total war

[@drakon_Phoenix]

@@jamiejamie9549I don’t think he is talking about those animations

[@Fortify2030]

Arminius reminds me Scanderbeg (George Kastrioti). Both were taken as hostages and raised by foreign empires. Both escaped and led a rebellion. Both won battles against powerful superpower empires at their peak of might.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Yeah, I can see the similarities.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Arminius didn't escape. He was a Roman Citizen, and a commander of the same army he destroyed.

[@Fortify2030]

@@neutronalchemist3241 1. He wasnt commander, he was just advisor of commander 2. Scanderbeg also was a janissary and citizen of Ottoman Empire (muuuch more softer towards conqured nations than roman empire)

[@neutronalchemist3241]

@@stevenpaddybwoy Arminius' brother, Flavus, served in the legion like him, he kept on fighting under Tiberius vs his brother, and was even granted a meeting with Arminius first than the battle of Weser. The two had to be separated by the legionaries after Arminius mocked Flavus' Roman decorations he gained during the campaign in Illiricum.

[@smarterthanurkel]

It‘s because it is basically the same story that got copied all over Europe. Literature and not history. It cannot be traced back from where this story originally comes from. Though it might go back to a core story that really happened it is totally unclear whether it goes back to roman times or not and whether it happened at all.

[@peterl5804]

It’s great to visit the actual site north of Münster. There are four museums in total dedicated to the battle. One displayed the entire Roman Entourage in playmobil figures.

[@Nikkimond]

Germania, the Roman Vietnam.

[@matevajda3176]

@@kikebautista2110 Yup, and in the long run it proved to be as effective as the Great Wall of China. Plus what imigration do you mean? The Gothic, Visigothic and Vandal invasions? :D

[@matevajda3176]

@@kikebautista2110 What I meant to say with the Great Wall analogy way, that the Romans built up a devensive line over territory hardly worth fighting for. The Limes may have been deffendable but it locked down many troops that could have been used elsewhere. I didn't mean that it was a bad fortification, I meant that ultimately, it cost way more than what it brought in return. As with any antique empire, it became a necessity for Rome to expand to keep the influx of goods the citizens desired. The further away they got from from the core of their realm, the less effective these conquered territories became (more on that later). Rome might have "had the might to conquere Germania" but that's irrelevant as long as they can't hold it afterwards, which was the case for a long time. Subduing that region would've been madness: the people there were most of the time self-sufficient and didn't necessarrily have the means/experience to join the Roman vassalage by trading of surpluss they didn't produce. Plus pinning them down, even integrating them would've taken immense manpower and funds. This is why the Empire so often colonised its outer rims by settling down tribes it had entered an alliance with. I don't agre with the idea of weighing short-term power against long-term sustainability. So immigratipn is a funny concept in this context. Wether you put apart ethnicities or those with or without citizenship, the kingdom/republic/empire had always been diverse. It is however not surprising, that as a nation grows and incorporates more peoples, it becomes more prone to fracturing along ethnic borders. Although blaming "non-roman" romans for the fall of their empire is sonething I find odd. Infighting had fractured Rome on multiple ocasions and I firmly believe that the only reason we are not looking on them with rhe same eye is vecause theye weren't the last such internal conflicts. There were numerous civil wars and political betrayals during the centuries, yet we only view the fall with such scrutuny, which I believe is unjust.

[@theotterguy]

@Gary York Hahahaahahaa .bone spurs ,draft dodging Trump .lol You do know Nixon was president when Vietnam ended …..a Republican crook just like tRump,the slum lord idiot. Fuck I'm happy I am not American.

[@fritzcat1788]

oak jungle

[@lunariclunestra8335]

How can a discussion about history turn into a political one? smh. Aufwiedersehn.

[@AlextheRambler]

Great work, I love watching these

[@Dragonite43]

It is Alex the Rambler with more Hearts of Iron 4! :P

[@DanielWW2]

3:52 RIP Aggripa, the most badass Roman general/admiral/engineer/constructor/administrator.

[@MDud-pg2un]

Augustus and Agrippa, what a badass team did they create

[@cristhianramirez6939]

@@MDud-pg2un They were a badass team in the ps2 game Shadow of Rome,how good that game was...

[@tony54151]

Marco Antonio wos Badass.

[@thenativetrouttrout8230]

@@cristhianramirez6939 wheres the laugh emoji......everythings a video game or a netflix special with you morons....

[@iche9373]

So Aggripa was a Roman Elon Musk?

[@Bleachontop22]

Roses are red, Italy has many regions QUINCTILIUS VARUS GIVE ME BACK MY LEGIONS

[@sectorgovernor]

That's good :D

[@treyloizzo9233]

I prefer “Gaul has three regions” rather than Italy.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

The Romans were dead when they lost their lost cohesion; Quinctilius Varus, give me back my Legions!!

[@hesiod5768]

@@treyloizzo9233 I had to learn that at school, and recite it from memory. Gaul est omnis devisia in partes tres... and as there was an argument at the time about the pronunciation of "v", woe betide the boy who said devisia instead of dewisia. Thank the Gods for Monty Python.

[@Humpelstilzchen]

🤣🤣🤣😂

[@RichieSchwarzman]

In a book called "Decisive battles" by Geoffrey Regan, he concludes his narrative of the battle with what impact it had on the future development of the area. This victory meant a symbol for the germanic tribes, that Rome is not invincible. Their attempt to move the borders permanently failed and Germania was never colonized as Gaul had been. If it had been thus colonized - would the germanic tribes later become pacified? And never start their raids and invasions of the empire and Rome itself which were one of the causes of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire? Would actually Rome fall? If you think about it - if this battle ended in a different way, the course of the history would be so different, that reason cannot fully accept the possible consequences.

[@12tanuha21]

In your theory you forget the huns, which was the main cause the germanic tribes started to move southward at once. They feared the huns more than the romans.

[@zainmudassir2964]

Huns,Vandals and Visigoths actually came from further East. Also the Franks were German people who settled in Gaul and that's where France gets it's name from.

[@AceTheCap823]

The Romans could’ve conquered Germania if they wanted, but the cost would be too high….unlike Gaul which was very flat and open, Germania was dense swampy forests with some flat plains for agriculture which is not ideal for Roman style of combat….Germania also didn’t offer the resources that Gaul did….plus Germanic tribes were far less untied and “civilized” than the gaulic people so Rome couldn’t use politics and alliances to assimilate the tribes nearly as well

[@HartmutJagerArt]

Yes, If Rome had totally defeated Germania - perhaps Hitler would not have happened; but then Rome was already top-heavy and overstretched and would have collapsed eventually, as it did later. -

[@thanosalaarson8290]

@@HartmutJagerArt what?

[@cole445]

You're laughing... A man just lost all his legions and you're laughing.

[@kohtalainenalias]

Forces of darkness at play here...

[@ateidmon9835]

This is why you always need to quick save before moving your armies in unknown territory

[@JackieFishHD]

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[@hairycabbage5716]

shalom jackie

[@wikipediaintellectual7088]

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[@agoodusername3647]

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[@1themaster1]

What a masterpiece of a battle. A combination of guerilla, choke point and kill zone ambush tactics, paired with deliberate use of terrain and weather conditions.

[@Conan_the_Based]

It helps when you have a traitor spy who can literally tell the enemy to walk into your death trap.

[@hokeywolf3416]

Except revenge was a bitch.

[@AGS363]

Fun Fact: Meanwhile Augustus inner bodyguard, was completely composed of...german mercenaries.

[@imnotagundam906]

Quick!!, Load the quick save!!!

[@kisajiking5836]

Hello sir, remember when I suggested and requested if you can make a video about this? I cannot believe that you really did it, I'm so thankful to you for this, God bless and love you channel! Thanks a lot, I cannot put it in words

[@ThinkerYT]

This channel is just the frickin bomb!!!

[@dominiksucic2206]

All of the battles will get covered, it is just a matter of time

[@ThinkerYT]

@@dominiksucic2206 i totaly agree.

[@siechamontillado]

I hate to quibble Kisaji, but it does look like you did put it down in words!

[@kisajiking5836]

@@siechamontillado I'm talking about my feelings when I said that

[@user-hh8vi2rc6l]

When trees speak Proto-Germanic.

[@user-hh8vi2rc6l]

@@frenchguitarguy1091 You are probably right.

[@MMadesen]

@@user-hh8vi2rc6l The trees spoke a form of western germanic.

[@julioalbertoherrera1339]

@AUGUSTUS If you are not an ally of Rom, maybe you're an ally of the Germanic tribes...!!

[@robwalsh9843]

"Gimme back....gimme back my legions" -Lynyrdius Skynrdius

[@Rayhid1956]

Very interesting piece of history to know. Many years ago, I've visited the huge monument dedicated to Arminius by Detmold, Germany. One can climb to it and see the forest around the area.

[@fynnwind2494]

Hope you liked my hometown ;)

[@nancybarnes29]

@@fynnwind2494 herman the german is his popular moniker, a treasured first name among the volk vty r.wachendorf

[@sabineroach5486]

Hermann, we call him: das Herrmannsdenkmal built in the 19th century🙂

[@mav8535]

I visited the site when i was in school in Teutoburger Wald. Started my obsession with Rome, we re-enacted the fights and they told us why the Germanic tribes won. Was pretty cool.

[@randomguy4167]

“Died suspiciously” in the reign of Augustus almost always actually means “Assassinated by Livia”

[@nathanpangilinan4397]

And even in death, Livia would kill people for she would teach Agrippina the Younger her tricks before her death. Or at least that is what Dovahhatty would tell us.

[@sealofapoorval7437]

I saw this battle on the show Barbarians! Thanks for the recommendation !

[@ThisisBarris]

Ah yes, the battle trailer that got me super hyped for RTW 2 only to be utterly destroyed by the actual game. Creative Assembly, give me back my $60! P.S: I love the new logo.

[@ThinkerYT]

lmao you are not alone. My copy has been sacrificed to the gods already

[@NoahWeaverRacing]

It’s okay guys we still have Rome 1 to play and love

[@evrensaygn1017]

@@NoahWeaverRacing Rome 1 is actually, still, a very good game.

[@ThinkerYT]

@@NoahWeaverRacing rome 1 best game ever

[@davidcarlson4958]

@@NoahWeaverRacing Imperator Rome looks like a good game by Paradox coming out in march, not the like tw at all but kind of, maybe.

[@giannisdaoultzis12]

5:40 that's not Rhodes it's Crete

[@giannisdaoultzis12]

@@MalayArcher It's ok bro i'm happy to help whenever i can

[@KingsandGenerals]

That is Bosporan Kingdom.

[@Elandil5]

In the next episode The Empire Strikes Back. great video as always

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you!

[@GonzoTehGreat]

Given the debate in the comments a follow up video does seem appropriate! Fingers crossed...

[@fyfoh]

Arminius, or Hermann, is still celebrated as a folk hero. There is/was a society of German settlers in the USA called Sons of Hermann. Here in Dallas, TX there is a Sons of Hermann hall, a popular dance/cultural venue.

[@DevilGiga]

The soundtrack in this episode was flawlessly spot on! Gave me a true feelling of the desperation and terror the romans felt.

[@bogdan3386]

I saw many documentaries about this subject but I think this is the most accurate video about this is probably the best. Congratulations you made in 18 minutes a better job than most of those documentaries in 1 or 2 hours.

[@ryanl1491]

Incredible video. sometimes i find real history hard to believe, this makes game of thrones look like childs play. i cant help but to imagine myself to be in that legion as they are ambushed, lost, fighting through mud hundreds of miles from home.

[@augustus5169]

Quintus Varius: He march. He protect. He attack. But most importantly... *HE DONT GIVE MY LEGIONS BACK!*

[@vincentjedlopez9979]

Asia: trees speak vietnamese Early Europe: trees speak Germanic

[@user-mv8hm3lv2g]

WOW Arminius what a guy

[@AncientHistoryGuy]

Ooooh this is going to be good.... :D

[@adamschaeffer1436]

I haven't even watched it yet because I am at work. But it's getting a thumbs up anyway. Something to look forward to while I eat my supper.

[@davidschlageter5962]

MY favorite battle of all time, loved the work, well done! :)

[@keysersoze1889]

Here after watching BARBAREN from Netflix

[@flyfftreasure]

Same, but this is far better and obviously devoid of silly love stories.

[@traderbychoice7560]

@Arnold Wilson Because he knew he would die.

[@donlansdonlans3363]

Is it good or just drama?

[@cristianvillanueva8782]

@@donlansdonlans3363 its got both. More drama than action. Everything builds up to the Final clash. Its worth a watch, for me personally I just wanted to hear latin in a non church setting so that was really intriguing. Its worth a watch

[@AR-ii3ly]

@@donlansdonlans3363 it’s alright.

[@andrewlica8305]

Arminius or Hermann, the German has a large statue you can climb up into in New Ulm, MN. A lot of German settlers there and his legacy is still remembered with Hermann the German days, the towns summer festival.

[@farrell360]

So many mistakes from Varus over these few days. Must have been frightening for the soldiers once they realised what was happening.

[@williamwigham7866]

Not if you could speak German

[@goodcitizen3780]

The only mistake that Varus should be credited for is his failure to ensure the area had been properly scouted. Certainly commands were given. But think; how do you, the commander, know that your subordinates failed to be thorough? Answer: Once the ambush is already underway. This channel's account of the events is heavily lopsided and clearly stems from Tacitus (who wrote on the subject up to 150 years later) and was moralistic history. It was heavily embellished and contorted in order to fit his narrative, as was the rest of his work.

[@99mrpogi]

Yeah.. it's much more frightening for the new recruits and this battle is their first(and only battle)

[@warrenhammer7262]

@@goodcitizen3780 I mean he killed himself rather than lead his people to safety, or go down fighting. committed

[@goodcitizen3780]

@@warrenhammer7262 We can't view his actions through the modern lens. That would be ridiculously ignorant.

[@TheDominion37]

Best history format I've ever had. I wish this was available when I was in school twenty years ago!

[@maskedm3owllin68]

Anyone who is interested, Netflix just released a series about this battle called “The Barbarians”. Mostly accurate and some of it fictional, Awesome story and would highly recommend.

[@walter9899]

Pretty good show I’m on the Last episode

[@maskedm3owllin68]

@@walter9899 I finished yesterday, enjoy it mate!

[@maskedm3owllin68]

@chetnoMAN It doesn’t have any agenda against Rome nor does it say bad things about them, it mostly focuses on the Germans

[@SefniAsheforr]

@chetnoMAN How can you watch that beautiful and tragic scene at the end of Varus' life and think that this is biased against Rome? He was made out to be a betrayed victim more than a cruel bad guy.

[@SefniAsheforr]

@chetnoMAN I actually did myself... rest easy General Publius Quinctilius Varus. Mors vincit omnia 😥.

[@rosswebster7877]

Great video! My late uncle's aunt's land near Damme in northwestern Germany is actually on the site of Teutoberg Forest.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you! Yes, the forest is still there, which is great news to us all. :-)

[@rosswebster7877]

@@KingsandGenerals You're welcome! Yes, and it has a great museum too! :)

[@Thiudan698]

It is not true, that this forest has "still" the name "Teutoburger Wald". The roman chronidt Tacitus called the battlefield "Silva Teutoburgiensis". In the year 1616, the historian Philipp Clüver just took the name from Tacitus and gave it to the foredt where he believed that the battlefield was. It was the "Osning" which he called "Teutoburger Wald then eventhough archeologists have proved the battlefield is "Kalkriese", which is not far from that forest but not in the forest itself.

[@pault9183]

I went to the museum where it was supposed to have happened. It was very interesting and I would recommend it to anyone that’s driving through the area. It’s the Varrusschlcht Museum in Kalkriese, Germany

[@beelaroos7379]

Rome: we will conquer the world German Forest: and I took that personal

[@iche9373]

You mean Germanic Forest, not German Forest. Germany is modern, not ancient concept.

[@okok-ky4in]

crassus: we suffered a huge defeat varus: hold my gladius

[@roberttucker1527]

mg juju this was actually a good one

[@rockyblacksmith]

In terms of numbers Crassus actually faired worse, but then, the Parthians were a foe the Romans actually took seriously.

[@giants2k8]

The production value on these videos are something else! I always love to see a Roman battle (or ambush in this case.) upload.

[@thomasjordan5619]

I'm a Lipke, I recently learned I'm an American Lippe. From the Teutoburg Forest.. this means the world to me, thank you so much🙏💕

[@joshuasnow6430]

I have been waiting for this for so long, and now, it’s here! I cannot tell you how happy I was when I saw this in my notifications

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks for waiting patiently :-)

[@joshuasnow6430]

Kings and Generals you have no idea how wide my eyes just went when I saw your reply 😂

[@davidbagrationi199]

People love talking about Teutoberg. Nobody likes talking about what happened afterward.glad that you mentioned about he fact that Romans didn't just accept the defeat "Between 14 and 16 AD, Germanicus launched punitive operations into Germany, twice defeating Arminius (according to Tacitus): first in the Battle of the Weser River and later near the Wall of the Angrivarii. Arminius also faced opposition from his father-in-law and other pro-Roman Germanic leaders.[20] In AD 15, Roman troops managed to recapture one of the three legionary eagles lost in the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. In AD 16, a second eagle was retrieved.[21] Tiberius denied the request of Germanicus to launch an additional campaign for AD 17, however, having decided the frontier with Germania would stand at the Rhine river. Instead, he offered Germanicus the honor of a triumph for his two victories. The third Roman eagle was recovered in AD 41 by Publius Gabinius, under the emperor Claudius." Arminius himself was murdered by his fellow Germans. Further, the Romans ended up crossing the Rhine many times, and even built a fortress all the way in modern Poland

[@FlymanMS]

You got issues, alien dude with kitten user pic.

[@FlymanMS]

The way you are obsessed over it and paranoid about "evil globalist conspiracy" is an issue. Europe is not a country btw.

[@NwoDispatcher]

@Marcelo Henrique Soares da Silva the globohomo empire only cares about genocide when it can be used to advance more genocide.

[@saltyshanker]

@earaza The germanic tribes were literally the direct ancestors of modern day germans , wtf are you talking about ? In that case the modern day Italians have nothing to do with the Romans

[@concretehippogaming]

@earaza Umm yes they were Germans how stupid can you be. Also the modern day Italians are probably more German than Roman too haha since it was Germanic tribes such as the Visigoths that raped and pillaged Rome and its population and then started to settle in land which the Romans used to control, such as Italy and Northern Africa.

[@just4funyay804]

This is madness! Caesar disapprove!

[@KingsandGenerals]

Gets better. :-)

[@joeykonyha2414]

This is GERMANIA!!!

[@Blalack77]

I've always thought it was pretty cool how Rome and other empires would let conquered people keep their culture and just add a dash of Roman to it (or Greek in the case of Alexander the Great). But I guess in cases like this, it really bit them on the ass. I'm trying to visualize being in this guy's position. Depending on how Rome had treated my people, I could see it going either way, but I feel like I would have done the same thing. This is one of the coolest stories in history to me. With historic stories, I usually stand with the underdog. Wars between Scotland and England are other good examples.

[@chrisbagley4540]

Amazing When I was in Germany I was a mere 90 miles from this site. I wish I had more time to go back and see this

[@ZardozCologne]

the statue is boring; I recommend visiting the "Kalkriese" Historic Museum in Bramsche. Many archelogic relicts found on the assumed battlefield (there are several theories where the battle actual took place) are shown there.

[@dennisjeppesen9387]

Romans are nice and all but what about that WARS OF THE DIADOCHI series?!

[@TheRedemptionRain]

Dennis Jeppesen check their playlist

[@kuleropa5437]

Yes please!!!

[@orphydianhistory7822]

The scale and intrigues of those wars make everything else after look amateurish. They knew how to do war on eachothers. Arguably that was the last time Rome actually had competitors and not resistance..

[@orphydianhistory7822]

@h ey I was actually talking and pleading for the diadochi wars. And the fact that the first collides of Hellenistic kingdoms with Rome made things even more fascinated.

[@TheRealBruceLouis]

i was wondering about it too, since the other narrator for this channel only narrates the war of the diadochi series.

[@happymonk4206]

Way to go Arminius, I have Germanic blood in my veins.

[@harleyyoung9585]

Me to...

[@sgtmayhem7567]

Great video. The Battle of Teutoburg Forest defined some of the borders that are still in use today.

[@singingfox699]

When I had finished the video, I exited fullscreen mode in order to like it, only to find that I already had... I love the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. And I love your videos.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you :-)

[@feynstein1004]

Had already seen it on Historia Civilis. Still watched it. Was awesome. ROMA INVICTA!

[@louisswanepoel1614]

Different perspectives from different sources is amazing

[@johnnywalker1333]

Roma invicta after teutoburg forest hahaha

[@lewistaylor2858]

@@johnnywalker1333 they did get their vengeance

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

My new favorite KZbin channel is called "Voices of the Past." Their videos simply recite primary sources from ancient history (while showing relevant images.) I find it fascinating to hear ancient people talking directly to me- like I'm in the room with them.

[@Yoedric]

@@AbbeyRoadkill1 I can't find it, would you care to provide a link ?

[@Mrkabrat]

-Lucius Aegius: ...Seems like we got promoted +Caeonious: Not the way I wanted it to be

[@justmoritz]

The netflix show was great, but honestly this would be so much for amazing to see unfold on screen. This is such a good story, even from a tactical perspective.

[@shamatto22]

great episode bro your youtube channel is way better than the history channel keep up the good work bro thanks

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you very much! We will!

[@saltyshanker]

15:15 BLITZKRIEG

[@faroukdz7846]

Haha Panzer Divisions!!

[@TK-3613]

Ghost Division

[@saidtoshimaru1832]

16:11 --- And the Oscar goes to...

[@KingsandGenerals]

:D

[@BewareOfTheKraut]

Everyone's a gangsta until entering German forest...

[@nancybarnes29]

right, the german have forgiven us for all weve done to them and would never be massing to kill every last one of us by hiding in an oak forest, their primodial natural environment. how quaintly vain a modern englander mistake also

[@BewareOfTheKraut]

@@nancybarnes29 ???

[@nancybarnes29]

@@BewareOfTheKraut what i meant was for years apparently, armenius had witnessed roman attrocities and playedw on the egotism of the roman high command who decided to ignore .the obvious. and it reminded me of montegomery's plan at arnhem in holland where he ignored all intel reports that there were armored units parked outside town, and us mistakes before the Bulge, or the hurtegin forest debacle vty rgw usa

[@BewareOfTheKraut]

@@nancybarnes29 Ok, now I understand.

[@vonxoliver]

Rome may have raise me, train me, but my loyalty is to my PEOPLEE!!!

[@manisgreedy4725]

Wasn't loyalty, Arminius only understood that he could have become much more than a centurion, he took the ball but in the end it was his own people who betrayed him and killed him. The right end for an infamous traitor.

[@johnnyhandsome4721]

@@manisgreedy4725 He is still considert a hero in Germany. Many statues were build in his honor. Most notably the Hermann Statue in the teuteburg forest and his statue in the Valhalla in Bavaria. you can't betray someone if you've never been on their side

[@manisgreedy4725]

@@johnnyhandsome4721 was, as ever, just a power play. Nothing else. In the end his own "people" betrayed and killed him.

[@DJ-jn3on]

A well thought out, battle plan by Arminus,who deserved the victory.

[@jonjameson2629]

Just when Rome thought nobody could possibly be a more incompetent commander than Crassus, along comes Quinctilius Varus. I truly feel sorry for the poor soldiers under him forced to go on this suicide march.

[@chrishayes5755]

Feel sorry for the invaders why exactly?

[@Conan_the_Based]

@@chrishayes5755 Because this was their one chance to pacify an area which had been a constant source of raiding and would continue to be for hundreds of years. Trying to simplify the Roman vs Germanian conflict as Invaders vs Natives is idiotic Hollywood bunk. The hatred ran deep and who knows who started it. Don't be a goober.

[@sentbycyberliferk800]

@@chrishayes5755 Lands change hands all the time. You can't determine who owns who invades.

[@chrisgunther5316]

He really took the old keep your friends close and your enemies closer advice to heart it would seem.

[@grosskarsten4216]

There is 2 books by Ludwig Renn about the topic and even they are made to entertain, they give an excellent picture of the time before, the battle itself and the time after. (Herniu und der blinde Asni. Illustrated by Kurt Zimmermann. Kinderbuchverlag, Berlin 1956, Herniu und Armin. Illustrated by Kurt Zimmermann. Kinderbuchverlag, Berlin 1958)

[@aslan6340]

The U.S. had Vietnam. The Soviet Union had Afghanistan. The Roman Empire had Teutoborg Forest. 😔

[@roberttucker1527]

Romans kicked German ass for the next 350 years

[@DefCon1Shooter]

@@roberttucker1527 Romans never managed to conquer Germania...

[@roberttucker1527]

DefCon1Shooter shit hole not worth the expense of developing

[@rockyblacksmith]

@@roberttucker1527 If that had been an argument against conquest, the romans wouldn't have bothered with Britain either. The Germani managed to do what the Britains failed at; Convince the Romans to stay out of their territory. And it's not like the Britains didn't try.

[@rockyblacksmith]

@Sebastiaan Meyer I'd say christianity still would have been a thing. The situation of Palestine which gave rise to christianity wouldn't have changed much even if Rome had collapsed. They would have still been under foreign rule (either by Parthia or Egypt) which, combined with jewish theology, was the basis for the concept of a Messiah. Which is where Jesus of Nazareth comes into play, and the rest of christianities origin story plays out pretty much the same. And given that christianity initially spread despite repressive measures, it's pretty safe to assume it would have spread in any case, perhaps at a different speed depending on the political situation. The more interesting question is wether the idea of christianity as a state religion would have taken hold without the Roman Empire. I'd say it's still likely, due to the political benefits of a state religion that polytheism didn't offer. But it might have taken a VERY different shape.

[@freddyhidding3378]

Hell yeah just went to see the memorial. Been waiting for this one

[@sircopperfield7420]

This battle has shaped that part of Europe for years to come.

[@thezeitos469]

I love how Arminius's face slowly turns half blue xD I almost expected a "dam daam daaaaaaaam" at that point.

[@larsonpartisan2855]

Lots of Roman Fanboys talking about *Germanicus* here. Let`s bring up some facts. Although Germanicus, for two years with eight legions (One third of the total Roman forces), crossed Germania he could not decisively weaken the Arminius coalition, one year after the withdrawal of Germanicus, the 74,000 -man army of the Marcomann king Marbod could not defeat the Arminius Coalition in an open field battle .This clearly indicates that the campaigns of Germanicus did not fulfill their purpose despite some victories. Many of the battles that appear as victories of the Romans were - according to Ralf G. Jahn after a thorough analysis - not real victories. At best, these were victories that were not decisive for the war. Tiberius himself spoke of serious and terrible losses. In the end the Battle of Teutoburg forest *stopped* roman expansion in Germania forever , it was a clear Victory for the Germanic tribes which were most certainly *always outnumbered* . In the Battle of Teutoburg forest the Romans had an estimated strength of 20,000 - max. 36,000 men , while it is estimated that the Germanic tribes only had 12,000-32,000. men. Keeping that in mind , Germanicus "victories" (with eight legions) seem even less glorious.

[@KapiteinKrentebol]

Probably true, which also indicates how difficult it was for the Romans to wage war in heavily forrested areas. They probably needed to spread thin to even find opposition and the terrain favoured ambush tactics and guerrilla warfare by the defenders. It was the Roman Empire's Vietnam so to say.

[@Fenniks-]

Kings and generals will you ever do a Video on Basil the bulgar slayer ?

[@collinsagyeman6131]

VASILIOS BOULGAROKTONOS!!!!!!

[@dieselface1]

Basil II is the best Roman Emperor

[@Fenniks-]

@@dieselface1yeah he pretty much restored roman power

[@user-ed9lp6ee3f]

One of the best battle stories in History in my opinion

[@1Hydraulic1]

Theres a reason German doesn't have as many Latin loan words, be proud Germans you have resisted Roman domination!

[@RobinOnYew]

when you think that you have survived two attacks, so there is a chance to make it alive, and then the most high ranking commanders commit suicide.

[@DJ-jn3on]

Totally loved that video. I think the Romans got what they deserved for their brutal and callous treatment of the Germanic Tribes. Granted the tribes weren't perfect either, but I thought Arminuis planned the ambush perfectly.The Roman retaliation afterwards under Germanicus was extremely savage and brutal.

[@TheElberfelder]

Tactical brilliant.

[@bagatur989]

Am I the only one here cheering for germanic peoples (being non-German myself)...why is Armenius called a trator? He was a hostage to the Romans...he just preserved his true identity and loyalty...

[@timmyly2363]

He’s like vlad the impaler with the Ottomans. However I’d even consider him a traitor if I was a Roman or a German because he was given a high ranking in Roman society and military and lived the sweet life, while helping the Romans secure his own homeland.

[@bigboizism]

Bagatur Hitro Vragov because he brought them in on false pretended, led them into an ambush and switched sides.

[@LarsWillen1968]

germans at the time didnt like it to be ruled-not by the romans and not by arminius-arminius was killed a few years later-maybe 5 years-by one from his family-maybe a cousin-because he wanted to be called king of the germans-however germans didnt like that-so he was never called a hero by the germans-the germans see in arminius only the men that lead the romans into a trap-it is also not really clear that the romans was safe on the other way to the south-the mean army of the germans attack the romans in the north-have the romans choosen the safer way they possible was attacked from the west-the romans was just 60 miles on the wrong way as they was attacked

[@caddiemo5067]

The Theon Greyjoy conundrum

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Arminius was a Roman citizen. For the Roman way of thinking, his betrayal was unconceivable, and he never announced his intention to fight them, or simply leaved the Legion. He simply used his position of commander of the auxiliaries to lure his comrades in a trap. He would be considered a traitor even in modern days. Mind that Arminius' own brother, Flavus, served in the Legion and, despite Arminius' betrayal, he suffered no consequences, kept on fighting for the Romans under Tiberius, and was even granted a meeting with Arminius first than the battle of the Weser.

[@TheEncry]

I was waiting for this...”Varus Give Me Back My Legions!”

[@andrewhurtado9656]

Fantastic, this happens to be my favorite Roman "Period" and all I can say is Fantastic. All we need now is The revenge of Germanicus. As always, Thanx. Great new logo.

[@blue_ocean7774]

16:10 man...the emotion in your words was perfect,narrator. Very well done 👌

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks!

[@blue_ocean7774]

@@KingsandGenerals what the.... okay,i did not expect that :")

[@knotwilg3596]

A few inaccuracies in an otherwise decent docu. 1) "Teutoburg forest" was probably not a forest but a narrow walkabale terrain between the mountains and the marshlands. There may have been trees but it's unlikely to have been a dense forest. "Forest" is probably a mistranslation of Saltus, which can also mean "narrow strait" 2) The heavy rain is undocumented 3) The barrier has been found to be Roman, possibly dating of a later campment.

[@NoahWeaverRacing]

Amazing video once again! Loving the Roman history videos y’all do

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks, more on the way!

[@Daffa137]

Another video well done! One suggestion tho, is it possible to add some geographical features in regional map (5:00) such as river or mountains? It will be easier for us non-european viewers since not all of us are familiar with European terrains.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks! Good point, will try to improve!

[@danielanthony256]

Another awesome video. Kings and Generals I truly appreciate the work you guys do . Thank you.

[@davidkardos2794]

Battle of Teutoburg Forest !! I love it ! FINALLY

[@philRminiatures]

A superb and informative video for a famous and iimportant battle...Poor Varus, History is cruel!

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks for watching!

[@ARSamogin]

Quintili Vare, legiones redde!

[@jacksondianbobbryganing8465]

The Barbarian Netflix series has brought me back to this video haha...

[@paulbutler8037]

I was camping in teutoburg forest when all this noise was goin on......Arminius wasn't happy when I told him to keep the noise down.