Kinu m47 vs Comandante c40 - Coffee Grinder Comparison

[@wendstudio_coffee]

Like, Subscribe

[@zhvn89]

So I finally got Kinu M47. My first coffe grinder is Timemore Nano. I canceled Comandante C40 order after I watched one of your videos. I wasn't sure which one to get. And I decided to get a bit different coffee grinder in the end, without clicks. I like that I can choose between espresso and pour over burr. And It does not have a lid. So thank you for comparison. It is helped me to decide.

[@wendstudio_coffee]

Standard burr one is good enough for pour over :) But yeah, definitely better than not having an option for a cleaner cup

[@T3rm3nator]

I have niche zero and am in need for a manual grinder that focuses on flavor rather than body, bottom line is that I need the best manual grinder for espresso, especially one shows the flavors... Also it is worth noting that I don't care about ease of use or build quality because my main would be the niche zero.

[@wendstudio_coffee]

That's the question for Lance Hedrick, he got the support from the viewers. Mine is $-0.04 so I can't afford any tests 😁

[@trollzaj]

Hi Viacheslav! Excellent video! I wish I have seen it before I bought my Comandante C40 (exactly when this video was published). I did not regret purchasing this high end equipment, I love the definition of my pour overs, and the C40 I think is a good friend of the Hario TCA-3 also, but for advanced Moka pot, sometimes for Aeropress, I perceived that the aggressiveness and the harshness is a little bit too much... Kinda to “loud” flavors and strict grinding consistency by the German masters. Then I started playing around with a lever espresso machine… The flavor became even more harsh, and sometimes unbalanced. I thought the problems were because of my methods and poor knowledge, but even as a beginner home barista, I am trying to be very accurate, thoughtful and spontaneous at the same time, so a relized, that maybe one of the world's best grinders sometimes won't give the best results?? SO THIS VIDEO undoubtedly convinced me that I definitely have to buy a Kinu 47 to improve my espresso game... To reduce harshness and some acidity. Do you think getting a KINU will help taming light roast beans in lever espresso? Last question: I would love to see your clear and intelligent opinions regarding coffee brewing WATER types; GH and KH solutions; HOW hardness and alkalinity affect different beans and brewing methods, which kind of minerals do you use to remineralize distilled water, etc... Are you planning to explain this topic to your viewers?? Best Regards! Keep Up your Excellent Work! Cheers: Zoli

[@wendstudio_coffee]

Or you just need to decrease the water temperature ;) The difference is perceived only when brewing side by side. Or in a row but within like 20 minutes. Compared with fresh c60 a few days ago - the same peak in flavor (intensive), especially before aftertaste. But to smooth things out I'm always dropping the temperature or playing with the recipe. With Comandante I used osmotic pulses till 1:00. With Kinu - 1:30. So it's probably better to brew shorter cups with Comandante (by doing each next pour earlier)

[@wendstudio_coffee]

I'm only planning to make the series about water for the local channel since it's about local water options. "Filter stories" have a great episode in the podcast about the water. Very artistic and pleasant to listen to.

[@trollzaj]

@@wendstudio_coffee Great tip! My usual dial in routine for a new type of bean is usually comparative brewing with small V60 v1 cup batches (max 10g), and in this specific case the clarity and sharpness of the C40 gives me the quite perfect feedback about the bean characteristics... I will try you controlled osmotic flow (and temp ctrl) method today! Cheers

[@trollzaj]

@@wendstudio_coffee Yes, this sounds logical... Although if the starting "canvas" is destilled water, theoretically anyone of us can start from the same starting point anywhere; but OK; getting destilled water is also a problem... Thx for the podcast advice!

[@wendstudio_coffee]

It'll be great to play with third wave water some day. And similar. But with my approach it'll take a lot of time 😁

[@MichaelMaramzin]

Thank you for this review! Have you had a chance to try the 1Zpresso J-Ultra? I recently purchased it and I am quite happy with its performance for espresso, as well as its quality, design, and external grind adjustment. However, I am not satisfied with the filter coffee from the J-Ultra, despite trying different coffee beans and grind sizes. Unfortunately, I am not experienced enough to be sure whether this is an issue with the J-Ultra grinder, which was designed specifically for the best espresso shots, or my own technique )) Therefore, I am considering replacing the J-Ultra with the M47 and would appreciate your recommendation or thoughts on whether it is possible to achieve a nice tasting profile for V60 coffee using the J-Ultra, that would be comparable to the M47.

[@wendstudio_coffee]

Can't recall, used probably j-max with 660 clicks... The cup wasn't bad. I recommend trying hybrid flow since it has a less chance of slow cup or unbalanced kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWHInqlsrJaDotk *Though for ceramic brewers I would still use 92°C to compensate for a cold brewer "recipes" are usually designed with some coffee gear in mind. And if the particle distribution is different - it may not work as expected. What exactly isn't good with the pour over?

[@thomasmann6416]

I am looking for a hand grinder that does it all (focus Espresso). And since I am from Germany Kinu might be the one. ;) Customer Service might be easier compared to eg 1zpresso... Kinu comes with 5 year warranty. Comandante is more expensive with red clicks... So, I am waiting for your pour over burr testing, but I think the normal one is sufficient enough... ;)

[@wendstudio_coffee]

Current observations on pour over burr - smoother (less pronounced, intense) flavor. But the burr is slower. And less force required for grinding. But it's not side by side comparison, have 1 brewer at home. Will do in a studio with the refractometer. Overall, standard one is great

[@mtpastor4546]

I have both M47 and C40 And I have to say, I like M47 over C40, even for pour over with standard burrs

[@wendstudio_coffee]

That was the result of my observation as well. For some reason, more flavorful cup

[@mtpastor4546]

@@wendstudio_coffee After watched your video. I did a blind tasting test with my partner. Both of us like Kinu better. The different is quite narrow. I believe it is only noticeable in side by side comparison. However, in terms of aesthetic and engineering. Kinu is a d solid choice.

[@wendstudio_coffee]

Pour over burr will make the difference way more noticeable)

[@mtpastor4546]

@@wendstudio_coffee I ordered the pour over burrs few days ago. And it will be arrived next week. I may try a blind test between standard burrs and pour over burrs.

[@mtpastor4546]

@@wendstudio_coffee I tired the pour over burrs today; in my blind taste between pour over burrs and c40. I found aroma, acidity, sweetness from the coffee produced by the pour over burrs is more profound. I can imagine even if I compare both pour over burrs and standard burrs. The pour over burrs would have greater result. After my blind tests. I would say Kinu M47 is a solid choice when we compare it with Commandante C40.

[@Ultrajamz]

Thinking why to get a manual at that price when baratza is same but no manual effort? Unless portability is needed

[@wendstudio_coffee]

Here are some benefits: 1. Less noise 2. Compact (and less cords). Better look in the corner 3. I feel the density of the beans and somewhat know what to expect and how to approach them in terms of brewing 4. Less popcorn towards the end 5. Real Zero retantion 6. Easier to clean 7. Can take it anywhere 8. Know that nothing will fail 9. Everyone need to use the body :) Though, fellow opus is close to be a good grinder... I still don't want the sound of a motor in the morning) Don't sure if Baratza espresso will grind for Turkish, opus can.

[@BjørjaBear]

The motor might fail? The electricity might go out? You get more of the cost put into the actual grinder, rather than electrical components.

[@wendstudio_coffee]

Fun fact: M47 burr (inner, cone) - 32mm. C40 - 30mm.

[@andershedstrom3048]

I use a tires depth tool to tune in right grind size on my Kinu.

[@wendstudio_coffee]

Why not just by brewing some cup and adjusting the numbers on the dial? Haven't seen how it looks and why)

[@samuelcarlsen1442]

What do you think is the best manual grinder for Turkish coffee. I’m thinking it’s either going to be one of the comandantes the Kino or the Sozan I’m thinking both flavor, but one thing that’s especially important to me is ease of grind I hold it with my legs and luck my wrist since my dexterity issues do not allow me to grab the grinder with the other hand I’m very interested to hear your thoughts Keep up the great work looking forward to next video

[@wendstudio_coffee]

For me currently Sozen is #1, Kinu #2, Comandante #3. But since Kinu is the fastest, it's #1 in terms of practicality. I'll make a taste comparison Kinu vs Comandante. And possibly Kinu vs Kinu but pourover burr. This burr is slower and super easy to grind (but 40s for 8g...) But not sure it'll be better than the standard in terms of flavor

[@samuelcarlsen1442]

@@wendstudio_coffee awesome thank you so much. Will you be making more cezve videos? I kind of missed those a bit

[@wendstudio_coffee]

Of course, but it takes a lot of time to develop something interesting. Currently switched to the research about the grinder to make a proper review and detailed info about brewing. I need a budget for the content as well. That's why the cycles are relatively long. Making money > investing in the researches > filming. Shooting schedule is huge and I shoot what I want at the moment

[@samuelcarlsen1442]

@@wendstudio_coffee that makes sense. Looking forward to the reviews. Your videos are always interesting. So I’m excited for what comes next Especially anything with Turkish coffee But also, just whatever you have on your drawing board Really interested to see a comparison between the three grinders though Would also be very interested to hear your thoughts on a good option for a home electric grinder for Turkish coffee I’m also interested to hear what your experience with direct induction compatible cezves are? I’ve seen both stainless steel ones and copper that claim to go directly on induction.

[@wendstudio_coffee]

Induction will always have some inertia and it'll be relatively hard to use. At least that's my prediction. Even non Turkish coffee videos contain a very good knowledge about coffee overall which allows to use it in any brewing method. That's why I hop from one topic to another, overall knowledge is growing that way and easier to spot some important details and behavior. Next episode with the Turkish coffee will be about measuring the extraction. Also, I want to compare Standard burr and Pour over burr on Kinu for Turkish coffee. I also shoot the content for a local audience at the same day. If I'll shoot more - quality will drop. Currently - researching the Kinu for pourover. Because it's important to have a proper understanding of the taste profile it gives

[@mad-meh2719]

Did the magnetic bottom on the kinu phoenix come with it or is it from the more expensive kinu?

[@wendstudio_coffee]

As I recall, they had some jar (possibly - just with the o-ring but aluminum) which comes with the grinder if you get on their site. Otherwise it's possible to just order the jar. Magnets are 🔥

[@anonymusmester]

You guys are focusing too much on the ease of changing the grind size. The average guy (normie) drinks the same coffee until the coffee bag is empty. Things that normies do every day. 1, feed coffee into the grinder 2, grind the coffee 3, remove the coffee from the catcher (and less often: clean the catcher). What needs to be dealt with every time you are making coffee: feeding the beans, preventing popcorning and static, pouring the grinded coffee into the coffee maker, and putting away the grinder inside the cupboard. For the normies the most frustrating morning event is "COFFEE ON THE FLOOR". So my vote is for the C40. Just a reminder of the advantages: - SIZE - smaller size, bigger capacity (you can reliably make coffee for 3 person). 0 chance of coffee on the floor when feeding with catcher ! - HANDLE - easier to assemble (much faster to remove the handle and to put it back. It is something you do daily for storing hand grinders in a small place), - prevents popcorning (KINU needs extra pieces) - CONTAINER - no wearable parts as opposed to the rubber o ring of the KINU. Less likelihood of coffee on the floor. The catch work perfectly as a feeder, as opposed to the magnetic catchers. Much easier to clean. Much less static for the glass catch. Easy to clean. (with the KINU you get either metal, is more difficult to clean, or plastic that has static, neither of which can be put inside a washing machine).

[@wendstudio_coffee]

I focus on the grinding speed, quality and the diversity of brewing methods. Since I often switch them. And as for the grind size for pour over - it must be adjusted pretty frequently. I currently have 4 different coffee beans and they have different processing methods. Not to mention the degassing (after which the grind size must be set to a smaller one). Currently use a magnetic catch cup for a few months. Rarely need to clean it. And the burr area - once a month quick brushing. Over 40g can fit at the top. Works great with the lid I've made. And for me personally it's way easier to attach it than handle. And more pleasant since there is no magnet banging sound and rattling sound of the knob. And what a frustrating experience it was on some battle where they have a c40 with the broken magnet, so that the handle falls off all of the time 🥺