Kinu VS Comandante Coffee Hand Grinder Comparison

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COMANDANTE GRINDER FEATURES
High-Alloyed, High-Nitrogen Stainless Steel Burrs - For extended life and stellar grinding quality.
Double Axle Bearings - Coffee grounds uniform in size extract evenly to brew more balanced coffee.
Wood Surface Treatment - Natural wax-oil extends the life of the wood surface and provides excellent grip.
100% Natural Oak Knob - Because who doesn’t love real wood?
Wenge Veneer Wood - Strong Body material built to last
Grind Setting Dial - Easy to repeat setting adjustment to make switching grind sizes painless and quick.
2 Jars Included - The clear and dark glass jars transport coffee beans and catch ground coffee.
KINU M47 CLASSIC GRINDER FEATURES
Black-Fusion Treated Burrs - Built to last, the precision of Kinu manufacturing will help you get the best possible flavour from your coffee, increasing the life of the burrs and reducing static.
Magnetic Attached Grinds Catcher - 11 Reliable magnets keep the grind-catcher in place during use and easy to remove when ready.
0.01mm Adjustment Increments - Small adjustments mean you can really dial-in the best espresso and pour-over every coffee for the tastiest results.
Anti-rotational knob - Hold the grinder at the top and rest your thumb on the anti-rotational knob. You will see that you need to apply less pressure and your hand will be more relaxed.
Travel Ready - With grinding performance that compares to high-end electric grinders, the Kinu is travel ready, to go where ever you do.
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[@protectandswerve]

I just bought the Kinu Classic a couple weeks ago and love it!! SO well made. I just think it looks, feels, and grinds as good as anything out there.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Totally agree!

[@Badastro59]

Also with my Kinu 47 classic after I've made my coffee, I sit in front of the telly with a paper towel cleaning the Kinu bowl and grinder outlet, I then twirl the kinu watching the handle go around and around, and listening hum of the gear mechanism..its very satisfying,

[@AlternativeBrewing]

I agree! 😀

[@SiopaoSauc3]

The size of the diameter of the comandante grinds catch is so well thought out.

[@r_bear]

most things with it are, i feel. wouldn't mind having markings for the grind size, but I (for example) know that I'm at 21 clicks right now. easy to adjust from there whenever i need to. (it's also kinda thoughtful, i suppose, that each full handle rotation is 12 clicks... like a clock! very cute)

[@PositivelyNice]

You are so right about the diameter of the C40 jar fitting exactly into the Aeropress, Bialetti, and various other brew methods. C40 is my first grinder purchase and I was delighted that this one purchase made my experience with all brewing methods so smooth and enjoyable.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Thanks for sharing!

[@TomReinerDE]

My choice: Kinu Phoenix. Lighter than the Classic without really sacrificing the actual machanical quality, at a lower price.

[@reyavalon]

Kinu Phoenix not worth its current price, with its material and how the pieces assemble together.

[@Zedaphor]

I got a Kinu M47 Phoenix a few weeks ago and it is honestly amazing. Build quality is great despite the switch to some plastic parts. Such a joy to use, super smooth grinding and I love the grind adjustment system. The coffee it makes is great and from what I've heard is almost equivalent to the Classic.

[@Zedaphor]

@@reyavalon Its about the same price as the Comandante C40, which also uses some plastic parts.... However, the grind adjustment system seems far superior and more pleasant to use.

[@reyavalon]

@@Zedaphor i got what you mean, i myself am using kinu classic, the reason i mention phoenix and traveller not worth the price: Classic: 90% steel 10% abs Simplicity: 65% steel 35% abs Phoenix: 35% steel and 65% abs Traveller: alu alloy body with lots of plastic, say no more. c40 with redclix is at Kinu simplicity price point. There are some hidden reasons why phoenix is inferior which i rather not to mention here.

[@TinTownKing]

@@reyavalon could you mention them somewhere? As a person choosing between these grinders it would be good to know.

[@chef_and_coffee]

I have the Kinu and I love it for everyday use, I brew with my Flair, and a V60 and it's easy to switch between settings.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Soo good 👍

[@syahmirifdy9626]

whats the setting for kinu for flair? just bought it today

[@ZZFilm]

Thanks for the really great review. I own the Kinu (from your store) but was always second guessing on getting the Command’ I’ve got to say, I’m definitely not second guessing any longer. Kinu is very consistent, and easy to adjust on the fly.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Glad I could help!

[@richardneal5054]

Good comparison. I have the comandante. I don't regret my purchase but on ease of repeatable stepless adjustment, your point is well made. Though I just wouldn't ever meet the Kinu's asking price. And I love my comandante. I appreciate the look and feel tremendously, and my pour overs are absolutely beautiful.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Well said! Thanks for sharing 👌

[@ComandanteGrinder]

Hey there Richard! Thanks for your support! Perhaps our comment, pinned to the top here, might interest you :). Best, Joe

[@Badastro59]

Love my Kinu 47 classic, 28 # makes great pourovers for V60, Aeropress, and hario siphon, I use a ceado E37s for expresso

[@PhilDodd]

I love my Kinu, it’s probably the best made thing I own. It’s the perfect partner for the Flair.

[@mohamadazharuddin8912]

This is the comparison video that I've been waiting for a long time.! Thanks for making this one. I am having Comandante with Red Clix upgrade, specially use it for espresso (I don't have any other brew set). I'm really really impressed by it grind precision and accuracy, with red clix upgrade I can get my espresso extraction exactly as I want it. Although it may have strain my hand for a while, but having great awesome espresso later really made my day.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Glad you liked it! - Yeah I agree- it is a bit of a strain grinding with the Comandante - but worth the wait as the espresso is so good 😀 !

[@abul7uss]

Thank you for this comparison. Many reviews point to the Comandante superiority in grinding for pour overs so a comparison with the M47 Pheonix with/without the pour over burr would be interesting due to the price point.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Well said! - and it does keep the prices similar than 👌

[@edrozenberg]

Fantastic comparison video, thanks! Been using the Kinu for about a year and it’s working great.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Thanks for watching!

[@kristoforusranandiasuliset3736]

Next time please make comparison kinu m47 classic vs comandante barracuda C60.

[@limer4330]

I have a Comandante and a 1Zpresso JX Pro. I'll have to grab one of these for comparison. My kids can have them when I kick it. I'll let you guys know. So far, Comandante makes the best cup. Not sure why yet. It's early in the game. I'm traditionally an electric burr grinder dude.

[@GamesonQ]

So whats better in ur opinion for pour over?

[@rosstileyutube]

When you’re grinding with the Comandante, I can hear a slight squeak. This comes from the wooden knob on the crank arm. Mine did exactly the same when I got it 6 months ago. It’s an easy fix though- simply pull the knob off and add a drop of olive oil to the crank arm. Permanent fix.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

You got great hearing 😂 Thanks for the info !

[@TinTownKing]

Will olive oil go rancid at some point?

[@idjekyll]

@@TinTownKing Best to use food grade lubricant. Can be found easily. 1 example if the Molykote 111

[@stefanwolter7496]

@@TinTownKing no, never!

[@bowieknife]

One thing you missed is the fact that Commadante has many finishes/colours to choose from, where as the Kinu only has one look.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

I know! That was a big miss - and a big plus for Comandante! Thanks for watching 👌

[@hardkombucha]

@@AlternativeBrewing You ever gonna talk about price comparison?

[@beaniemac83]

Nice video thanks, just wondered what colour the comandante is? It may be the Virginia Walnut but wasn't sure. Thanks

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Ahh - this was the older style Mk3 - so unfortunately this particular wood finish is no longer available

[@beaniemac83]

@@AlternativeBrewing No worries thanks for the reply and for letting me know. Much appreciated 👍

[@mercedes1990221]

Hey team, I'd like to use a hand grinder for brewing coffee, which one should I choose from these two grinders? Does the kinu was much better for the expresso performance?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Love the KINU

[@peter6850]

I would like to see also flavor comparisson.

[@chicomtl]

just got my Kinu Phoenix and my morning coffee ritual is soooo satisfying ! I got this for the 100-300 $ difference the classic and the simplicity cost. i'm very happy with my choice. Feels very solid. Only thing I noticed is the static that makes the coffee stick to the bottom, but i'm new to this so not sure how normal this is. great purchase, although expensive, great gift from you to you ;)

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Enjoy!

[@HermitianAdjoint]

I have the Phoenix as well and although I'm overall very satisfied, I'm still a little annoyed with how to get the ground espresso out. I would be grateful for any hacks/tricks that make this step easier and cleaner. The amount of static seems to depend on the beans I'm grinding. I think dryer beans are more prone to static. It could help to add a droplet of water before grinding.

[@ericpmoss]

You know what would be a great accessory? I'm getting a Cafelat Robot espresso maker with a very deep 58mm basket. If there were a gasket or sleeve that would let me grind directly into that, it would be fantastic for workflow and cleanliness and evenness.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Great idea!

[@ThePlayahans]

The 1zpresso jx-pro fits in perfectly (just checked as I have both: the robot basket is 57,5mm and the jx-pro around 57mm in diameter).. however I think handgrinding espresso is just too physical for this to work without a mess and transferring from the 57mm catch cup to the robot basket is superior in my opinion 🙏🏻

[@silverfish27]

You missed a key comparison point: price. And some blind test of the resulting coffee would be superb

[@AlternativeBrewing]

thanks for the feedback 👌 The price difference is substantial, but the Kinu's value is worth it I believe.

[@floxshuilee1760]

There is no big price gap now.

[@neiljohnson2505]

Thanks for your great video Joshua! What grinder would you recommend for milky drinks (Bonsoy mainly)(medium roasts like Sparky from Grouch&co in Perth or Highwire from Dukes coffee in Melbourne) Comandante with red clix or kinu m47 or J-max only considering the flavours, ignoring grinding time etc etc.. btw I have JX pro

[@AlternativeBrewing]

You have a JX Pro - and you want another 😂 I'd mostly like look at the Kinu for your next purchase. This truly is an amazing Grinder. Comandante with Red Clix would be ideal for the contrast to the JX Pro - but I think overall - even though you've sated you don't care about such things - the investment in a Kinu, over the Comandante, you won't regret. It has clarity and sweetness - ease of use, durable and amazing grind selector.

[@aysebinnazataman492]

Very nice comparison. Thank you and which one would you recommend for Turkish coffee size grinding?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Kinu for sure.

[@rogerpye1865]

Hi Joshua. Another great video that tackles a comparison many of us have thought about. I'm definitely looking to upgrade my hand grinder for occasional travel to brew espresso. I currently use the Porlex Mini, which is OK-ish. This may sound like a crazy nitpicking question, but have you ever compared the taste of espresso shots from the Kinu Phoenix vs Commandante. At the end of the day, the quality/taste of the shot is the deal breaker for me. I would be very interested in your thoughts. Cheers.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Hi Roger, thanks for watching! I would consider all the Kinu Grinders to be similar in their flavour profiles - I've done a more recent video on this and Espresso brewing where I compare these differences in espressos between hand grinders - you can find that here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2angIqui5yUb80 I'll summarise - that the Kinu Grinder is exception for a very well balanced - sweet and transparent cup of Espresso - whereas the Comandante presents with more body, texture and richness in the cup.

[@rogerpye1865]

@@AlternativeBrewing Can I ask, which one is the best tasting in your opinion?

[@thininth]

Such a great review thank you Alternative brewing 🙏🏻 I’ve been thinking of buying the comandante or the phoneix for weeks now so this couldn’t have come at a better time. Grinder to be used exclusively for a flair pro and because of the lack of need to keep adjusting to other brewing methods and my love of the look of the c40 think I will just go with this. Even if the clicks have trouble dialling in which I have yet to hear from anyone, I will also scale down 50% further with red clicks. Thanks so much again 👍😊

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Nice! 👌 Our pleasure -glad it helped

[@mtpastor4546]

I have both grinders. I my blind tests, I prefer the cup from M47. In terms of construction. M47 is way solidly than C40.

[@vince128]

He looks like the LinusTechTips for coffee. Lol. Love the comparison as well! Kinu paired with the PO burr set is really the dream as far as hand grinders go.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

You're welcome! I just need 11M subs now 😂 I'd agree with the Kinu + PO burrs 100% unstoppable 👌

[@tomgreen2058]

Ha yes! That's what I've been trying to work out this entire time

[@edinayee]

having both grinders will solve the problem :)

[@AlternativeBrewing]

😂 why not!

[@RamirezVB]

Hi, a little confusion for me. I am interested in the Kinu. The Kinu has various settings. I drink siphon and pour over.if the Kinu has these settings, why do I need the pour over replacement burr? Thank you!

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Great question - the burr geometry will have an impact on the overall performance and quality of the grinds produced. Pour Over burrs are said to create less of a grind distribution - so this means more clarity, sweetness and brightness in the cup. Perfect for pour over and filter coffee. Whereas the standard burrs - create a few more fines - which is no too detrimental to pour overs - but does equally benefit espresso too.

[@RamirezVB]

@@AlternativeBrewing Thank you. Siphon uses a medium coarse, so would you recommend the replacement burr for this?

[@statutorimelaka3577]

Kinu suit for espresso?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

100% it does 👌 sweet and balanced

[@calisson47]

So the Kinu has a smaller circumference, more suitable for smaller hands?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Yes, I would say so, compared to other hand grinders. Except it is also pretty heavy

[@mauimikey2491]

Had both, Commandante for me👍 sold the kinu. Both are excellent.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Right on

[@bluemystic7501]

May I ask why you preferred the Commandante?

[@tokyomaj2]

Hi I like your channel you should try comparison between Kinu vs 1Zpresso K-PRO or K-PLUS PS: Thumb up for you 👍 PEACE 🇦🇺❤️🇸🇦

[@ericpmoss]

I'd love to see a comparison between the Kinu and the Apollo. I have an Apollo, which is built like a tank, grinds beautifully, and has IMO the best adjustment design. However, with hard beans, it requires an absolutely vice-like grip, and if your hands are too wet or too dry, it just slips. The screw-on collector is also prone to denting and jamming with fines. Now, if your preferred coffee beans are not rock-like, it's all pretty great, and a toothbrush keeps the threads clean.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Noted!

[@cdavid0624]

Grinding beans with the Comandante for espresso takes FOREVERRRRR. If you will be mainly using the grinder for espresso, get the Kinu.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

I'd agree here

[@tvd9015]

Would either be overkill for aeropress?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Overkill ... not really. Great grinders are designed to produce quality grinds to produce delicious coffee. ... Manually grinders a far more associated to Manual brewing than automatic grinders... perhaps buying an EK43 for your dilay Aeropress at home could be seen as overkill or at least under using the EK's overall abilities.. but these two grinders are very well matched for your uses 👌

[@slpardee10]

Can you buy an M47 with the pourover burrs as original equipment or are they only available as an add on? I don't make espresso so I would much rather just get a great pourover grinder in the first place.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Only as an add-on I'm afraid. I think this would be a great initiative from a Hand Grinder manufacturer though - to include the option at the POS 👌

[@ToucanF-16]

How about comparing price!!!

[@ericchanclois]

Which one do you prefer? You choice is? I have no idea how to decide ...

[@AlternativeBrewing]

hahaha 😀 questions I would ask are: Espresso or Filter mainly? Travel or just at Home? What sort of Brewing methods o you use, if filter?

[@ericchanclois]

@@AlternativeBrewing At home, moka pot espresso & hand filter mainly. Thanks a lot ~

[@carlosbornes]

I wonder how both compare with the Helor 101 and Timemore Chestnut. Any thoughts about this?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

I haven't done a comparison side by side myself - I think within a certain grind size range - they're going to be comparable - but overall value and quality and the Kinu will come out on top. Like work flow - durability - ease of use and grinding action e.c.t.

[@burgerpattie]

James Hoffmann made a video that included these grinders! 😊 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mp-cgKiIoZZ5ac0

[@simkool77]

Comandante cleaning, bronze looking washer, at 10:36. I have two C40 (one with Red Clix) enjoy them, and agree body is a tad fat. What's the bronze or red looking washer in your video? I only have the 2 steel washers, one at the top and one at the bottom, and I've watched some other cleaning videos and have never seen a 3rd red washer before. Should it be there, and if so, where does go, how come it was not included with my C40s?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Hi there! The Two washers are there, directly under the adjustment knob ... to the left of the Grinder.. there is a small o'ring below this, and this sits on the axle after placing the bottom washer in place.

[@simkool77]

@@AlternativeBrewing thanks for reply. Enjoy your video reviews. My 2 C40 & Red Clix do not have o'rings just steel washers. I like my C40(s), but have not tried Kinu, after their fire supplies are limited.

[@vikasdoc1971]

Love ur channel Would like to hear from u about timemore chestnut X grinder

[@73twall]

$600????? For a HAND GRINDER??? This is truly a rich person's hobby. Here I thought it was just good coffee. Apparently, that comes at an INSANE price. Good god.

[@gabrielzachary5804]

people go out and spend $500 on Beyoncé tickets, $30 for cocktails, $900 on Prada jeans and $120,000 for BMW's that will deprecate halve there value within 5 years to impress society an people they don't know. if you understand the process behind good coffee , its well worth the money . Great Coffee is one of life's simple pleasures.

[@michaellupu2080]

@@gabrielzachary5804 As far as I can tell, there's nothing simple when it comes to good cup of coffee. If it truely was simple, anyone could make amazing coffee with a pestel and mortar and a pot of boiling water. I've used pre ground Lavazza qualita Oro in a Bialetti for years, but I thought I could and should take my coffee game further by pounding beans as I do spices, but here I am, researching the Comandante.

[@duncanstreuderst]

Excellent video! Very informative and helpful, thanks! Which would you prefer between the Commandante and the Simplicity (I’m mostly a pour over brewer)?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Simplicity 👌

[@cliffcox7643]

That clear lid looks like it was from the hobby store. The glass container will end up breaking after having to unscrew, move over to your brewing equipment, then to sink to clean....

[@juanmiguelmaria]

Great video! Thanks for such a detailed comparison. I've been looking at getting either of these for a while now and I have a question that doesn't seem to be addressed by the reviews I've seen. What is the diameter difference between the bodies of the two? You mentioned that the Comandante can be a bit strenuous when in use (and I do think my hands are pretty small haha) so I'm worried whether it'll be too uncomfortable in the long run. For reference I guess, I'm planning on using these for daily pour over use with the goal of going up to espresso once I've got the budget for it. Been using a Porlex mini as well and while that's been okay, there's definitely a difference in grind consistency since the outer burs wobble around. Thanks for your time if you read this and have a great day!

[@AlternativeBrewing]

It's reasonably different. The Comandante has width of 6.5cm across and the Kinu's is 5cm. Which makes a significant difference to the diameters. The Kinu would be more comfortable and is easier to grind with

[@cmd_f5]

I want both haha. I am a fan of the all metal Kinu though. I mean for the price it should be a true heavy duty beast. That said I wouldn't hesitate to buy either if they were both on sale and I could take it home right then and there. Great vid.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Right on!

[@houseofcardistry7672]

If I’m a professional barista (or entering competitions...) and my grinder is an income-generating tool, yeah... go for the Kinu. Other than that, $250 is already an exorbitant enough amount of money to spend on a grinder. $400 plus would interfere with my actual enjoyment of the coffee.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

You went with the Comandante didn't you 👌 You can't go wrong.

[@houseofcardistry7672]

@@AlternativeBrewing I did. It just came in today and I’m thrilled with it, especially over the blade grinder I had been using for so long. I’m sure the Kinu is worth every penny but for me, the Commandante is plenty enough grinder for my needs.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

​@@houseofcardistry7672 Thanks for your support!

[@jo-beeem1063]

Hey Joshua, last time we spoke in store you were pro Comandante. Has this changed now?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

hey! As in PRO-comandante over Kinu? We might not have had Kinu prior to the conversation - I don't recall that detail but I really hope you don't get that fro this video - I love both Hand Grinders but there is an advantage to the KINU if you're ever considering grinding for espresso.

[@0bzen22]

Can't complain about my JX Pro.

[@vermaanvesh]

Thankyou so much for making this comparison video on my request brother! it really means a lot to me... This is a fantastic comparison video you have made between both of the available Premium Coffee Hand Grinders in the market. I hope this video will help people to decide whats good for them Fragility of Commandante or Robustness of Kinu Grinders.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Glad you liked it!

[@ComandanteGrinder]

Hi there Anvesh! Quality and robustness is at the heart of what we do :). I think fragility is an unfair description. If any one ever has an issue then we're there to help too, so no need to worry about the build quality :). Thanks for your support!

[@vermaanvesh]

@@ComandanteGrinder Dear Team, Commandate Grinders, I have never expressed that Commandante Grinders as a company is not adequate with its after sales or services. What I have mentioned is only about choosing between a fragile Commandante grinder for specific reason as follows:- The catch cup is made of glass which is a fragile part-1, The crank handle which is attached with fragile part-2 a plastic plate to avoid popcorn of coffee beans while grinding which can easily crack if not handled adequately Vs. Kinu M47 Classic Hand Grinder it is robust because it doesn't have any glass or plastic parts in it which makes it like a tank solid product. My opinion and suggestions are honest and purely based on the basis of my personal product experience and I would like to honestly mention here that if one likes to travel a lot and want a travel friendly hand coffee grinder then the Commadante C40 Nitro Blade Grinder is the best option available in market because of its light weight and if you dont have any issues of carrying weight while traveling then I would say Kinu M47 Classic takes over because of its robustness and unbeatable build quality.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

@@vermaanvesh Hi there Anvesh! Thanks for your reply, and sorry if we misunderstood your intended message :). We understand the fear of the glass being fragile, although we find them very robust in practise, and wonderful due to being a 100% natural material that is ultra-easy to clean. A second glass is always provided in case of an emergency ;). We also understand the criticism regarding the plastic on the crank :). Actually this was a known issue with older production models. We have since switched compounds for the lid and solved the issue in newer production models, and offer free replacements to users who've had issues with the lid :). That's all part of our customer service! Thanks again so much for your support and happy grinding!

[@vermaanvesh]

@@ComandanteGrinder That's nice to know that your company have switched compounds of the lid attached over the crank handle, I would request if we can get more details and elaboration over how it was fragile before and what difference have now the Comandante Grinder Company has upgraded with the new production. I am sure this elaboration would bring more clarity to people who would prefer to buy your grinder as it is way less in weight than other competitors and is good for coffee consumers while travelling. Thanks!

[@kevinwheeler6838]

After much deliberation-and many videos like these-i went with the comandante, even though I prefer the look of the kinu with its less prominent branding and sleek steel exterior. It just seems that the comandante is better for pour over, and that was my biggest concern. Like sushi, espresso is something I’ll never make at home

[@AlternativeBrewing]

You chose right 😀

[@nicholashenke7422]

Check out Orphan Espresso’s Fixie grinder.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

They'll be available soon!

[@teeranopsermsenaboon877]

Comandante team :) :)

[@The.Liminal.Spaces]

Hi. We bought the Comandante from you guys very recently and we really like it. Could you please explain what that red ring is at 10:38? I don't have it on mine. Also there is a magnetic tip from the axle that seems to be loose and I can easily remove or lose it. Is this normal ? It's the end where the crank attaches to.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Magnetic Link to the Knob on the handle is normal. This is so you can lube it up to remove any squeaking - or replace the handle over time. 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGLQZpZ7bbqWoJo The red ring info can be found here 👉 comandantegrinder.com/faq.html#:~:text=This%20is%20normal%2C%20and%20you,that%20tastes%20best%20to%20you!

[@mgp-bct7723]

How to hit the like button when didn’t even seen the video LOL

[@BouncinDolphin]

There is also another aspect not mentioned which I think could be decisive for some people: availability. Depending on where you live, one grinder could cost substantially more than the other due to tax, shipping etc. For EU people the Comandante is easier to get than Kinu, from what I‘ve read in the US it‘s the other way around. Overall both these grinders are exceptional (in their league). Thanks for the great comparison!

[@AlternativeBrewing]

100% agree - and thanks for watching 👍 it's the reason I don't really discuss the price because it's so variable around the world and want to focus more on the perceived value of the grinder more than the cost price.

[@risktrader3821]

kinu blad paint is scraping off. is that unhealthy when ingested?

[@coolemator]

1-zpresso is missing here.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

fair.. I'll have to get my hand on one 👌

[@s73v36]

I'm keen to purchase one and can't decide between the je plus or jx pro.... Please help!

[@coolemator]

@@s73v36ad go me if money not a issue the pro is better.

[@s73v36]

@@coolemator what do you mean? the JE plus is much more expensive espresso focused build. Comes with the magnetic cup. The JX pro seems to have a wide range grind setting for espresso and pour over. What do you recommend? I mainly drink espresso, but am open to try pour over.

[@coolemator]

@@s73v36ups, I mean plus is better. I have been using pro for a couple of months. The biggest problem of this model it takes time to take out grinded coffee from cup's thread. Magnetic cup should be much more comfortable. About the using range - try to find in internet pictures of recommended grinding steps for both models. . These cards suplly with new grinders. In my opinion they should be the same for both pro and plus.

[@AromaFrank]

How are they in comparison with the 1Zpresso JX-PRO ?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

I'll have to let you know! We should be getting some of these in soon and can do a comparison 👌

[@AlikKra]

👍⤴️🔔💯✨Dr.Albert⁷⁷⁷🇷🇺 спасибо, позитив с ог🔥ньком ☕

[@gregsullivan7408]

Nitpick: "timbre" is actually pronounced as "tamber".

[@AlternativeBrewing]

thanks! I don't know that 👌

[@wizendwizard]

Is he tiptoe-ing? Bouncing on his heels?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

yes I am 😂 being a barista for many years I'm used to two-stepping when making coffee

[@wizendwizard]

@@AlternativeBrewing I thought it was from too much caffeine 😂

[@thang1011]

Feel like he is dancing while doing the review.

[@23truro]

Also worth noting is that the Kinu is also nearly $200 dearer than the Comandante

[@BenjaminNew]

True that. Should have compared the Phoenix.

[@BenjaminNew]

@@heinerl.beisert5508 I have used neither, kinda out of my price point. Haha. So it's really nice to have these comparison videos to get an ideal of which I would like more when I do get one....

[@BenjaminNew]

@@heinerl.beisert5508 I too currently have a hario mini slim plus.... Haha

[@AlternativeBrewing]

fair call. The Kinu Simplicity is closer to the Comandante price in Australia in fact. And the Kinu Simplicity is my preferred Kinu model. Everything the Classic has but without as much excessive metal used 👌

[@Yogi5D]

No comparison here the Kinu blows it out of the water. Just ordered the MK47 Phoenix

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Enjoy!

[@attianotattia3470]

No it doesn't. Both are fantastic.

[@Acontinouslean]

Yeah the kinu is 200 dollars more than the c40. Not really comparable

[@Halabalooza]

Kinu is much better

[@JulienGaudfroy]

Absolutely not. Having had both for three years, Comandante is superior flavorwise. At least with stock burrs, haven't tried the replacement pourover burrs, it seems many are not that happy with it but I can't say. All my best V60s have been with Comandante never with Kinu. And I have tried very hard with the latter. There just are more fines, and the extraction is longer. Final result, more bitterness, less body also than Comandante on average. Pro baristas go to finals with a Comandante often, how many with Kinu ? There is a reason most high level baristas agree. Although after solving their design flaws, Kinu is so nice to use though. The lever action and the open top are a thing of beauty, so easy to grind hence the superiority for everyday espresso use (although I find the Comandante tastes better too on espresso if you manage to find your ideal grind). Kinu open top also gives the nicest sound of all manual grinders. So nice to work with.

[@charleswood5071]

@@JulienGaudfroy Do you think that sifting out the fines might help to mitigate this? I'm completely sold on the Kinu in terms of design and build, but the lackluster pour-over reputation is holding me back. I'm in between the Comandante and the Kinu, if there's anything I could do to make the latter competitive with pour-overs I'd go for it in a second

[@JulienGaudfroy]

@@charleswood5071 the shape of the grinds makes a big difference too, it isn't only the grinds. And the pourover replacement burrs of the Kinu aren't good either. If you make mainly pourover and want the absolute best of complexity, acidity and sweetness, no hand grinder is on Comandante level. If you also do espresso and want a good design with the best of both worlds, K Plus is the closest, good design and very fast grinding. Kinu M47 just isn't worth it in the cup.

[@charleswood5071]

@@JulienGaudfroy oof, thanks for the response though. Would you say that the Kinu is overall bad, or just not as stellar as other grinders like the K Plus? Would you rank it on the same level as a Porlex or Hario Skerton?

[@JulienGaudfroy]

@@charleswood5071 it is bad for its price imo. But it still is one of the good ones. For sure Comandante is the best, then K Plus, then Kinu is in the next bunch. The problem also is Kunu made the M47 with burrs not suited for pourover, and nearly everyone I trust who has tested their replacement pourover burrs find them very underwhelming. For me there is an obvious conception flaw here that doesn't make sense when you spend that much money on a product, several times. And I didn't mention how I also had the original flawed magnet system and had to pay 50 euros to upgrade to the new system because the original magnets kept failing and falling and wasting my expensive beans...

[@Halabalooza]

I don't like comandante design