Kinu M47 Long-term Review (4 years of DAILY USE)

[@stargazer8718]

Almost love my 2020 Kinu M47. 3 issues: 1. (Deal breaker): beans always get stuck at the bottom between the bur and lower metal bar, making inconsistent ground coffee and piston frictions. So have to take it apart several times a week to remove stuck beans. 2. Pieces of often beans fly out during grinding. 3. The top adjustment screw has increasingly shifted so the 0 is no longer 0. But definitely the jamming beans is such an annoying issue and Kinu support didn't help me out !

[@dwn16]

Great video! I clean the interior of my Kinu M47 classic with pipe cleaners and a soft bristle toothbrush.

[@tanksouth]

Thank you.

[@Cezve_340ml]

In these uncertain times, you made a great point by saying that a physical (mechanical I would add) object allowed you to have so much pleasure and make the discoveries of taste and flavour. It is very humane statement, because it remands that we, people, are also about joy and curiosity. Thank you for that!

[@Wiindigoo]

Glad Kinu worked out for you. My kinu won’t hold a catch cup, and I ended up buying a K max after contacting Kinu multiple times. ***update**** I finally got through to Kinu. They told me to go to a hardware store and buy rubber bands to hold it together. I’m not exaggerating, and I wasn’t rude to them.

[@evemichelson7082]

What a thorough review, and super appreciate the longitudinal follow up

[@wideawakeph3662]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@lcomfort8683]

I'm a nearly 60 year old woman, I hand grind my daily espressos with a Sozen turkish grinder. I think hand grinding on the m47 grinder would be much easier than the turkish. I did try a Eureka Mignon, but sent it back, way too difficult to 'dial in'. I do think that weight training in the gym is quite different than outside yard work, which has really helped me keep strength, after menopause. You should be able to use your m47 and grind for espresso without being sapped of energy, you're young! Or maybe it's just the way you're looking at it. Just think how hard our ancestors worked to survive! Farming, heavy cleaning, chopping wood, etc. Compared to that the level of physical exertion required in most modern lives is mimimal.

[@tanksouth]

Nice.

[@aronsari8133]

More of a heavy roast.

[@kareemismael563]

Hello Kyle, this review was one the videos that encouraged me to go for Kinu, I first bought the IZPresso K Ultra and I was happy with it until I noticed some glitches in it, so I decided to go with the Kinu. Then I hear there is a new edition called the Kinu Titan, which is made of Titanium instead of Stainless Steel, so I went for that one. Bottom line, thanks for the review and I'm very happy and satisfied with the grinder. Although, sometimes I think about the money paid and I get sometimes annoyed, but its a really hight quality grinder, and as you said; built like a tank. Thanks again.

[@stargazer8718]

Also, I keep the grinder clean by running a piece of kitchen paper through in with a chop stick. A bit tideous cleaning but turns out like new each time.

[@mario08133]

Nice review. Hope this channel grows. Keep up the good work!👍🏽

[@wideawakeph3662]

Thank you very much!! Really appreciate the kind words :)

[@oscarmarfori613]

I use a compressed air in a can to clean those hard to reach areas of the chamber, I use a KinGrinder K6 coz its affordable and it practically does and produce the same grind and its all adjustable and can fine tune your grind to your liking but without the cost that M47 cost is not a joke to most of us Filipinos

[@JohnClutch22]

Suggestion for internal chamber cleaning: Take a bbq wood stick, wrap it in a paper towel, and try to clean it up-and-down, you'll surrely get some of the oils/ coffee out of there 😁 Not a very ideal way of doing it, but it helps out a bit

[@DecentraLife]

Thanks for the great review~ it is good to get the history and perspective from the thought process in your purchase.

[@wideawakeph3662]

Thanks for watching!

[@dvsmaverick]

It's probably the beans. I've been using the Phoenix for 2 years and I mostly grind 18g of medium roast beans for espresso. So far it takes me on average 30s or less.

[@geogiokas]

Hi, would you recommend phoenix over classic?

[@YizkiM]

After so many thoughts, finally invested in KINU Classic. Just as a comparison, this is heavier than unopened oat milk carton. Sturdy and I'll be carrying this in my concealed carry bag for self defense. Thank you for the in-depth video, even after 4 years, this was sooo helpful.

[@wideawakeph3662]

hahahahahaha glad to hear it!

[@Imaltont]

11:36 This is a pretty known thing when it comes to keyboards as well. As good as ABS plastic can be for sound, feel and look (in a keyboard), it is also a dirt/oil magnet, and regardless of how high quality it is, will eventually start to shine. A good option if keeping to plastic could be, like in keyboards, a good PBT handle/knob or something.

[@edmondhung6097]

I am getting it tomorrow. Thanks for your tips. To clean the internal, look like a can air job for me

[@bakisolak]

Great review. I personally choose Commandante because of the look.

[@leroybrown4797]

I went from Breville Barista Pro, to the Orphan Espresso lido 3. Now I'm looking for a hand grinder for espresso specifically.

[@leroybrown4797]

I brew everything from cold brew to espresso.

[@mspdec]

I grind 15grams for espresso with my Kinu M47 Classic (which I bouhgt apprx. 4 weeks ago i.e. a new model) at settings 1.3 to 1.5 depending on coffee bean for medium to medium dark roasted coffee beans in about 45 to 50 seconds with no issues at all

[@wideawakeph3662]

Thank you for sharing. I agree that grinding medium to medium dark for espresso is not as tiring as it would be compared to lighter roasts!

[@borcz100]

Very thoughtful review. I have a similar emotional attachment to my Izpresso Jxpro, and I have no issue grinding espresso with it.

[@TheFixten]

Damn good review 👏Just ordered one of those, have Comandante already and wanted something specific for espresso

[@wideawakeph3662]

Thank you! Enjoy your new grinder :D

[@MuditBadlani]

Thank you sir. Loved your phrasing/choice of words - got points about intangibles across in a way that sat rather well with me. I'm a bit of a mechanical watch guy myself (among other "stupid" things) and I tend to prioritise build quality. "Nonsensical" little things like the timbre of the operating sound of a ratcheted knob, the feel of knurling on said knob et al are disproportionately important to me. Also, longevity with minimal deterioration. So I really appreciate the time you've taken to go into the details in giving us this unique long-term review. 🙏🏽 That said, I'm nowhere closer to picking which "premium" hand-grinder to purchase (need no convincing around the value proposition or use case). For reference I intend to use it with a Hario V60 and Bialetti Moka Pot primarily. The Commandante C40 has too much plastic in it for me (more so with one of the catch cups now shipping with the lighter MK4 being plastic). Also, Commandante come across as really "American" - in a bad way (I love a lot of American ethos otherwise). The brash branding, hyper engagement on social media while ignoring tough questions in a thread where they've fastidiously answered all other questions, for example. A veneer of true engagement/real back & forth, while not really "hearing" the feedback in a meaningful way. Not to mention, the lack of an included travel case, the plastic lid and the thicker size. That said, the advantages of the Commandante are obvious - especially for my brewing methods. Honestly though the only things stopping me from getting the Kinu are: 1. The plastic handle ball (why is that of all things plastic 🤦🏿) and thumb stop. Thanks for mentioning those things and pointing out the shininess and oiliness etc. 2. Reports of adjustment scales on some units not being perfectly aligned (free movement not at zero, but around .2 or something) - which is unacceptable at this price point, and completely orthogonal to what something like this should stand for. Pour-over burr, fines etc etc are details IMO - if they came out with a model with an SS or wood handle ball, I'd probably pull the trigger. Stuck in the analysis-paralysis phase, waiting for a perfect product that'll never launch as usual - not even sure if I'm asking for your opinion (which I absolutely am) or just venting at this point. Probably need to find a place where I can "try before I buy". Oh, and to further complicate matters, the new Appolo grinder looks interesting as well. Ah, first world problems... 😬 Anyway, thanks again. Cheers mate!

[@wideawakeph3662]

Hi man! "I'm a bit of a mechanical watch guy myself (among other "stupid" things) and I tend to prioritise build quality. "Nonsensical" little things like the timbre of the operating sound of a ratcheted knob, the feel of knurling on said knob et al are disproportionately important to me. Also, longevity with minimal deterioration." --> I SUPER relate to your preference for build quality. To me, the product is more engaging and just plain fun to use when all the details have been carefully thought out. I do see why you are hesitant pulling the trigger based on those points you raised. Maybe you could take a look at the 1zpresso K-Plus. The K-Plus has a wooden handle ball instead of the plastic on the Kinu M47!

[@MuditBadlani]

@@wideawakeph3662 Thanks for your reply. I think you may have just solved my quandary, by the first looks at the K-Plus. 😀

[@sublimit777]

@@MuditBadlani did you go for the K-plus? I'm at this point now and the only thing holding me back is the 1 year warranty vs 5 years on the Kinu

[@MuditBadlani]

@@sublimit777 Hi! My apologies for the delayed response. I wound up looking into the the 1ZPresso grinders and did indeed find that the K-Series is for me - not just for me, but objectively better than Kinu and Commandante, despite being cheaper. Where I got confused was between the K-Plus and the newer (but less "feature-rich") K-Pro. Primarily based on design. As I live in a small city, I didn't have the option to check all-important in-hand feel prior to purchase. So I decided to wait until I travelled to a big city where I could "try before I buy", so to speak. In the meantime, my cheap grinder gave up the ghost and I was left in a first-world quandary. After a few days of no speciality coffee, I decided to go for the updated Timemore Chestnut C2 (C3 in some markets). The crucial difference between the 2 being the grind size adjustment wheel is now metal, and the issue of its durability is now apparently addressed. I thought of it as a stop-gap that can be a travel grinder for later, once I wind up buying my "ultimate" grinder. I've been using it since September 2022 now and am very happy with it. The build is astonishing for the price (⅕-⅙ of 1ZPresso and ⅛-⅒ of Kinu/Commondante). I can go into details if that is relevant to you (considering you are in a higher price bracket, you might not want/already own a better grinder). Hope that helps. Cheers!

[@sublimit777]

@@MuditBadlani Hey mate, I really appreciate your thourough response... I still haven't made a purchase and still weighing up the options. I've just had a bit of a look into the C3 and I'm glad you're very happy with it. Recently I've added the kingrinder K6 into my shortlist as my cheaper option. So, in aussie dollars it's like C3($100), K6($200), K-Max($350), and Kinu Classic inc pour over burr($600) Apparently the K6 is pretty close to the K-Max in build quality and quality of cup, but quite a bit cheaper... But I'm curious to know why you think the 1zpresso is better than the Kinu? I'm not really comfortable spending $600 on a grinder but if it lasts 10-20 years then it's completely justifiable... and from what I've read on forums, the build quality is unmatched. The issue of the handle developing a shine wouldn't bother me too much.. And I feel the zero position alignment out of the box qc issue would be resolved under a warranty claim. That said, the Kinu has stainless steel body and braces, while the others use aluminum body/braces, and the C3 has plastic braces if I'm not mistaken(there was an argument made on home barista that plastic braces are better than aluminum as they can easily be replaced.. Discussion on Commondante). Do you see your C3 lasting 3-5 years? As I'm writing this I think I'm convincing myself to go for the cheaper option as I'd be happy with 3-5 years of solid use(for $100-$200aud), and there doesn't seem to be 'the ultimate hand grinder' out there yet - maybe the upcoming commondante c60 is it, or maybe kinu releases something with an ebony wood handle and auto zero calibration with an instant grind adjustment ring! Anyway, here's a chart for a basic summary worth checking out thegoldenbrewing.com.au/blogs/news/a-comparison-of-most-popular-hand-grinders

[@coreymbonge9532]

the quickest and easiest way to clean coffee oils and dust out of a grinder is a detergent of water, a few drops of dish soap, vinegar and baking soda. just soak it for a bit, rinse, and dry thoroughly.

[@9abe9]

Really nice and in depth video! There are these brushes for cleaning metal straws, I think they would fit! I just bought one of those, really enjoying it!

[@wideawakeph3662]

Thank you for the kind words! I'll try to find those brushes :D

[@geogiokas]

Nice review, thanks. Im between classic and phoenix..

[@suntoxx9667]

So funny. I am in Germany. My first grinder was the Sage Smart Grinder Pro, which is the same as your second one, just a different name. And then I ordered the kinu yesterday and today i find your youtube clip and you argue the same way i did towards my girlfriend xD Looking forward to my Kinu coming next week!

[@suntoxx9667]

If I might make a suggestion, have a look at the Flair Espresso maker. I got the classic and it makes fantastic espresso. The pro and 58 are even easier, with pressure gauge. Espresso like from a 1k+ € machine, even with the basic Flair Classic.

[@suntoxx9667]

I will probably 3d print an adapter to hook a vacuum up to the kinu for cleaning ;)

[@wideawakeph3662]

A review of the Flair 58 is coming soon!

[@suntoxx9667]

@@wideawakeph3662 before you decide which flair you get, make sure you take the different basket sizes into account. For me for example, i drink 14g of beans espressos, the classic is the best choice.

[@suntoxx9667]

@@wideawakeph3662 also keep in mind, for the 58 you will have to grind finer than for the classic (the coffee is spread thinner) which means more time and strength for grinding.

[@pyrotelekinesis7253]

I have ground espresso several a day for the last 3 years on my M47. Just get a small splash of water on the hand you are using to hold it.

[@ynnalaraya603]

Wow, this is very informative! 🙌🏻

[@wideawakeph3662]

Thank you Ynna!!!!

[@bkemp9245]

Great review!

[@MarkasTZM]

There seems to be a good reason you don't see any of these available for resale on the secondary market. I'm in.

[@ethadiq4060]

after 4 years of use, i have a question. Does the marker on your grinder still position itself at 0.0.0 or has it moved a few millimeters behind it at default?

[@mikechivy]

Honestly, if you’re NOT doing espresso, you need a machine over this. This grinder is meant to be extremely precise, which is very important with espresso.

[@De132an]

Love my M47 used with my La Pavoni, a great pairing! Someday maybe I could find an M68. You made the right choice! Is Kinu even still open, after the factory fire and Covid? They were closed down for awhile.

[@wideawakeph3662]

That's a cool setup you have hehe. Yeah their website is up and running!

[@evemichelson7082]

Oh I recommend using an air blower / compressed air to get the dust out of the inner chamber. There’s electrical ones with attachments so you only have to buy it once. Also wonder about things that will absorb oil, maybe grind rice through it??? That I’m less certain about.

[@wideawakeph3662]

Oh maybe I'll give that a shot. Thank you!

[@monoloro]

@@wideawakeph3662 honestly, just use a vacuum with a hose, it cleans like a breeze. We use that method to suck out the residue grounds in our electrical grinders as well.

[@dc25416]

I really appreciate the great, detailed review! I’m considering whether to buy the Kinu m47 (Simplicity) or the C40. My partner and I kind of prefer a more traditional smooth medium roast coffee. Based on flavor preference, would you make a strong recommendation for the Kinu m47? The C40 has more of a community and costs less. As relative newcomers that is a real advantage.

[@wideawakeph3662]

You can take a look at 1zpresso for something that's more affordable!

[@myltsyn]

Thank you, thank you

[@ericpmoss]

$400 for 4 years of reliable, quality results is a no-brainer. You’ll probably get another 10 from it unless you bang it around.

[@wideawakeph3662]

Very true!!

[@petera4646]

Hello and thank you for your review! I intend to buy the Kinu 47 Classic. My favorite coffee prepartion is with the „Bialetti Coffecooker“ Hope you know this hot water steam method of coffee cooking!? I wondering if the Kinu 47 Classic is also the perfect grinder for THIS kind of preparation??? Thanks for your answer! Peter

[@wideawakeph3662]

Hi Peter! I think the Kinu M47 Classic would be a good match for that kind of coffee brewing method. 1zpresso also makes great coffee hand grinders so you can also check their products out!

[@ninetendopesaitama2107]

The question should be if its worth to spend more for the m47 or if the c40 can everything the m47 can for less. At the same quality. Also the place where its made plays a role in the purchase decision.

[@briancarvalho9770]

Great review - thank you! Quick questions - how many grams can you realistically grind. How long to grind the max amount of medium toasted coffee?

[@wideawakeph3662]

Maybe around 30-35g at a time!

[@n6rcan]

Im changed. I go for Kinu

[@neglectedretard8386]

Maybe grinder tablets I’m thinking about trying them out for my timemore c2 same problem with cleaning :)

[@somethinginteresting2202]

Maybe a WaterPik would clean your grinder well?

[@MilanHerens]

Hmm, not sure if I agree on the bad grinding for espresso, I've been using the phoenix for over 2 years, 17 grams of light roast takes me 20-30 secs of grinding. Not sure how it would take over a minute 😅

[@florentperrillon6428]

Nice video, thanks! I have read that the adjustment ring wears a bit and then the ring settles below 0 (zero point not aligned with actual zero when burrs touch). What about yours after 4 years?

[@gary1943]

So have you developed a chart that allows you to convert the grind size numbers on the M47 as compared to the Commandante. I have seen a lot of references to the Comandante grind size numbers. It almost seems easier to do the Commandante because of this community in this grinder.

[@charleswood5071]

Do you mainly use the Kinu for pour-over or espresso? Have you encountered any of the supposed "muddiness" with pour-over methods (at least relative to other high-end grinders in the same price range)?

[@wideawakeph3662]

Hi! I use the Kinu for pourovers most of the time. When grinding finer, I do experience some muddiness due to more fines showing up in the brew.

[@charleswood5071]

@@wideawakeph3662 Thanks for your response! Other than the issues with grinding finer, would you say it produces high-quality pourover coffee?

[@wideawakeph3662]

@@charleswood5071 Yes definitely! I think the cups I get for filter coffee are tastier than the Niche Zero grinder

[@marcelf.284]

You seem to have a Niche Zero as well, at least a niche cup. How does the Kinu compare to the Niche regarding the taste of coffee and which grinder would you prefer taste-wise?

[@wideawakeph3662]

Kinu has better clarity than the niche. I prefer the flavors from the Kinu. But for espresso, I vastly favor the workflow on the Niche. It is troublesome to handgrind for espresso

[@alan5863]

mine doesn't grind with the catch cup on- does with it off and I don't know why?

[@rolandoperez8054]

Compress air and pipe cleaners

[@rickohlendorf473]

I use a small headed soft tooth brush. No problems cleaning with it.

[@gunayorbay]

use pressurized air to clean?

[@toddd7444]

Kinu Phoenix has magnets

[@mr.critic]

12:27 Air gun or just wash

[@jakobw135]

Does it produce grinds FINE ENOUGH to give CREMA with a NAKED porta-filter? Can you get a PURE stainless steel (UNCOATED) burr set?

[@wideawakeph3662]

It definitely grinds fine enough to get crema w/ a naked portafilter. As far as I know, their burrs come from the factory with a coating

[@krhump]

Good review

[@F0LF0X]

Have problems with mine. Nahuhulog lagi yung bottom. Does this happen to you?

[@wideawakeph3662]

No it never happened to mine! Sorry to hear about your experience

[@jonacanij]

Where is this grinder manufactured? I came across 1zpresso which is from Taiwan that is comparable in terms of design and grind.

[@MrNEMILI]

Kinu is made in Germany.

[@redchen3682]

Do you use the Pour Over burr when grinding for pour over, or do you just use the original burr?

[@wideawakeph3662]

Just the original burr!!

[@raffloresjr]

I currently own a Kinu Simplicity which I’ve used for my flair and the occasional pour over for almost 2 years before switching over to the Comandante as my daily driver. Recently I’ve come back to using the Kinu for pour overs (Stock burrs) and I agree that it tends to veer towards sweeter taste profiles, sacrificing some clarity. I disagree regarding grinding for espresso, it usually takes me 40-60 secs to grind 20-22 grams of espresso (medlight to medium roasts). Have you tried using the brew burrs? If yes any significant difference?

[@wideawakeph3662]

Thank you for sharing your experience. I haven't tried the brew burrs. Maybe it's because I'm grinding lighter roasts that's why my grind times are longer

[@williaml9951]

Is it possible to replace the entire burr set - inner and outer ring?

[@mikechivy]

I think only inner. However I use mine everyday for the last 4 years and it has ZERO sign of slowing down. I can’t ever imagine needing to replace them

[@mikechivy]

@@AshikaahSoaYajur The pour over is the one you need. It’s for every Kinu product

[@paultaylor2055]

I bought mine a few months ago, I’m very happy, how often do you strip it down and clean it all?

[@wideawakeph3662]

Nice, congrats on the purchase! I strip it down maybe once every 2-3 weeks. The Kinu M47 is really easy to clean. It also feels great disassembling it as all the parts fit together very precisely

[@KOL630]

Personally I think the commondate looks a bit tacky and ugly. The logo is also unsightly. Not sure why it just looks cheap. The kinu is a much nicer design and made in Germany too.

[@rolandoperez8054]

Can the burr set be replaced

[@kylegosiaco5318]

Yes it can!!!

[@ziegfredpanen6623]

Ss304 r 316 sir

[@endlessocean1731]

90 seconds to grind 20 grams for espresso, that’s too long. I never grind for espresso more than 1 minute, with kinu m47 simplicity.

[@ZenTanbanker]

Mind sharing what's your dial setting on your Simplicity for espresso? Just gotten mine, need a reference

[@endlessocean1731]

@@ZenTanbanker around 2.4.0 - 2.6.0 depends on the beans and the dose.

[@BarAlexC]

Yep. I get 15g in about 30-40 seconds @ 1.4.0...1.5.5

[@rolandoperez8054]

But at +$425.00!!!

[@Cenot4ph]

"intermediate strength athlete", I'm sorry but just looking at your posture and generally physique that's just not true. You're a beginning strength training participant.

[@wideawakeph3662]

I just gotta work harder then!

[@Brave_Lion]

$400 for 4 years of active use with a good grind, no breakage is a bargain price.

[@wideawakeph3662]

Agreed!