The Nordschleife In Forza Motorsport And Gran Turismo Compared To REAL LIFE!

[@Kireth]

Answering your questions about spectators/grandstands, as I said at the end of the previous video it was interesting to see how each game depicted a time trial scenario, giving a different "feel" as you drive around the track. This is a race to race comparison, and again there are very interesting artistic and design choices that give a different atmosphere when driving the track (including some weird ones)

[@richpoor146]

I will say, Gran Turismo here nailed the glow of the headlights in the trees

[@JustMamba]

I never really paid attention to stuff like that till using content manager with asseto corsa an cranking dynamic shadows and lights all the way up. It uses Hella resources but it does add some realism but most people don't notice it in racing games because they turn shadows way down to save resources. I agree with you though lol I forgot to say that.

[@MGOFor3ver]

Yamauchi RAN in that circuit more than all Forza developers combined. He knows his stuff.

[@wispyprkdmedia]

I just wish Forza didn't have those out of place flood lights around the track. Would really enjoy that dead of night feeling and then stumble upon those populated areas.

[@TheDudeV1]

To be fair, I tried to do the ring at midnight in a 60’s f1 car with no headlights… couldn’t see anything at allllll. Had to use the lights as a guide. But I agree, it’d be nice to have those dead zones.

[@andrededecraf]

Something that has been happening now in Forza's after FH3, the nights started to get clear, compare nights in FH3 or FM7 with those in FH4, FH5 AND FM8

[@jeramboo8511]

I always believe gt is better in showing details and in better in game physics

[@Dany_Fox1]

The Forza version of Nordschleife section looks so wrong. There's like milion trees that aren't there in real life... Propably to cover lower draw distance, but it makes the track look completely different to real life...

[@jonasfermefors]

In the night? Did you watch the video? (during the day I would agree)

[@superlight1999]

​@@jonasfermeforsdoes it make any difference if it's day or night when the props are there?

[@jonasfermefors]

@@superlight1999 The whole video is at night when you can't see most things on the roadside. He calls it the most accurate comparison video and to me it looks fine on both. I've seen daytime videos and then there are some visible differences. They don't bother me all that much.. there are other things that do bother me, though.

[@BoundByGundams]

I’m positive those flood lights are to mark turns so that they can prevent huge pileups in multiplayer. We know it doesn’t work that way but still, I think that’s the reason for it. Despite having a rewind system, Forza is afraid to let you crash. It’s like this on every track. They’re all well lit for gameplay purposes. It doesn’t bother me too much but I wish there was an option in single player races to have alternative tracks without them.

[@GetawayGuyDriver]

I love both franchises and grew up on GT. It's such a shame it's not on pc still, so I'm on FM. Can't speak for GT7 as I haven't played it, but the driving physics are great on FM and so happy to have this track back.

[@DustinsCarFamily]

I can tell you Gran Turismo has by far better physics. Doesn't have to mean Forza Motorsport's physics are bad.

[@cozza819]

Played both. After trying GT7 I couldn't play FM.

[@highlightshadow]

I've always thought that FM made you feel like the races were real crowd populated spaces. Doing a race somewhere like Fuji in GT7 it feels cold, flat and sterile. Watkins glen is one that's better in GT7 than most but i think FM just makes you feel like you're racing in a race weekend event. GT7 too often feels like you're in lockdown places with hardly any crowds or trackside vans, burger bars , bbq's etc

[@JaySamurai79]

I hardly ever race on Fuji for that very same reason. Its so chilly and lifeless.

[@nicolaslabra2225]

Gran turismo replicates the crowds on race days more accurately than forza, forza goes for the same vibe that arcade racers like Grid go for, most of the stuff you see trackside is not there for the real races, you can compare with real footage and see, even the 24 hours of nordschleife are more accurately replicated in gt7, yes there are people with campervans and BBQs but there are no lazer/neon parties trackside.

[@Torboy124]

Because Forza adds extra stuff that isnt in real life.

[@thecalicreez]

That's accurate though lol. Fuji speedway is in the sticks of Gotemba, not easy to get to, and it's f*n cold lol.

[@sonyx5332]

GT7 replicating those COVID-19 days 😁👍

[@Medeci]

1:16 there is no ray-traced lighting in Forza, you've placebo-ed yourself

[@Medeci]

to elaborate there are only some ray-traced reflections in the game but not lighting, shadows, or caustics

[@XboxStation-xh8cw]

I am surprised at how accurately Forza Motorsport represents those crowd stands with neon lights, structures, and the Nordschleife map in Leds. I thought all that was just made up by Forza, but they are really there in real life! There are a few areas where GT7 has crowds while FM doesn't, but for the most part Forza does it more accurately.

[@ChrisBl33p]

To be fair, the default headlight setting in GT7 is high beam. That said, I haven't played FM so i can't speak to that. But if you could show a run with the car on low beams between the two, I wonder if that would be a more 1 to 1 comparison.

[@Leynad778]

Interesting, but I don't care for trackside stuff that much. And running a motion and tactile feedback rig I can tell, the Forza track has all the surface details of iRacing or even more, but you won't really feel it in the FFB. In my GS-5 I was never shaken so much on the Nordschleife like in Forza while the FFB only communicates a tiny dampened fraction of the bumps. For me it's better that way so I get different feedback like you get in a real car. In iRacing motion doesn't add anything other than an amplifier to the lackluster FFB, and seat of pants effects still completely missing while in Forza I feel what's going on.

[@Kireth]

Interesting!

[@bwxmoto]

I think color space is set to 16-235 on the GT7 vids and 0-255 in Forza vids which makes GT7 look washed out in comparison, hope people at least realize it doesn't look like that when playing.

[@davidholmer6099]

I wish you had fast forwarded in Forza to see what lap sunrise was, but I guess I can do that on my own. 😊

[@MrJr1976]

FM8 is going for a vibe. I bet if GT were to be color corrected to be a cooler shade and the bloom/glare were to be turned down, we could have a much better comparison.

[@Kireth]

Surprising the choice by GT to have so much glare

[@nicolaslabra2225]

rather the contrary id say, Forza is going for less of a vibe than GT7, Forza goes for the very low contrast "as your eyes would see it" kinda look, Gran turismo 7 goes for the "filmed with a camera and bloomy lens" type thing, clean but contrasty, all in all both games chose their styles and it doesnt make sense to alter them for a comparison, they are what they are.

[@selnor1983]

​@@nicolaslabra2225 exactly this. Forza colour pallete and world look more true to life through your eyes. GT7 goes for that seen through a camera look. GT7 never feels like I'm driving it. It feels like I'm driving it through a screen. It doesn't help that non player cars in GT7 at night, their headlights stop working when they are near the player car. Creating these huge unrealistic shadows, where the other cars lights should be lighting the scenery.

[@JB_CS]

@@selnor1983 yeah that shadow thing in gt7 bothers me every time I see it. hopefully its something they fix in their next game whenever that might be. Forza always seems to have handled that better where opponent cars lighting isnt canceled out by the players headlights.

[@befoot]

One thing that blew me away with the Gran Turismo version, in the camping areas you can see the smoke from the campfires. This shows up very well with the VR headset

[@gaetanl-blain2829]

In the Fm6 was darker on tracks but community cry for that change so since fm7 every tracks at night are more brighter ever before and thats way u have those spot light on every coner of every tracks.

[@andrededecraf]

These changes started in FH4 and not in FM7, FM7 still had dark nights, along with FH3

[@LongTimeAgoNL]

Gran Turismo Ford running with high beams and Forza running with normal lights.

[@quore]

It may be me, but in 14:00, the people in Forza looks they're there because of some sort of party or kind of a festival, while in Gran Turismo 7, the people looks like they're there because of the race itself

[@andrededecraf]

It's because it uses the same system as the FHz, which is a system for the Horizon festival

[@jcpatrick79]

I've been playing gt since its release day. No other driving game compares.

[@JetJuice]

I love both games. gt7 is my competitive experience as a forza is a chill experience, in my opinion

[@寧巧卡]

Regardless of which physical operation is better, I just want to say that when you mute the sound effects and play again, you will find which force feedback is more realistic.

[@Kireth]

👀👀

[@ncredibledark7926]

"Gt7 lighting feels so much more realistic" Gt7 cars: throwing 500m long, pitch black shadows

[@superlight1999]

Well the farther the distance, the bigger the shadow get. Or am I wrong here?

[@OblivionWolf]

Even on Shift 2 although old, it has that nightime vibe on the Nordschleife, very similar to that of GT minus the crow objects and luminous effects.

[@HankBaxter]

Despite all the flak it's gotten for numerous things, I much prefer the look of Forza here.

[@chorizojoe8282]

Forza does a lot better at creating an atmosphere and make the track feel alive with the spectators. GT7 does a lot better at making the physics and graphics realistic. If a game could combine the best of both games, it would be unbeatable

[@ebrake1118]

During a race like this in real life, you won’t have everybody watching the race 24/7. 24 NBR is one of, if not, the biggest party race of the year so you’ll have some watching the race, and some having the time of their life not even remembering there’s a race going on, so I think Forza nailed that aspect

[@Kireth]

Yep exactly

[@castin5244]

As somebody who has experience building race tracks for assetto corsa and beamNG, these are both insanely impressive feats.

[@tanteu]

In the night i like GT a little bit more. The lightning looks very nice. On the day, for me forza is looking more realistic. On a sim rig drives forza more realistic on the nordschleife, if you have good settings. I drove about 300 laps on the real track.

[@Kireth]

Yo are those tourist days or racing?

[@tanteu]

​@@Kireth professionell test driver. Forza is not like iracing, but its a nice game to start or just have fun.

[@dreamchaser6381]

you mean the physics are not like in real life in forza but it in iracing it is more realistic? If forza is not realistic at all then why would i spend any time in forza as someone who wants to become a race car driver one day ??? Thank you for your response..@@tanteu

[@tanteu]

​@@dreamchaser6381 its easier to learn the basics in games like Forza or GT. For example trail braking. You don't start with algebra in school either.

[@dreamchaser6381]

that doesn't make any sense. Forza's physics are nowhere near assetto corsa or iracing. S every force feedback you get or the steering you do is unreliable and not applicable to real life. So it is a ''different world with different physics rules'' that is completely different from reality. You are just a 5 year old xbox fanboy LOL@@tanteu

[@LYG4F]

I think they both look amazing, and both have issues. Forza is adding extra lights and maybe chaging the vibe, GT has shadows and break lights wrong and I don't know why but the chase camera on gt7 is annoying

[@neoraven223]

For all forza does you can realy feel that gran turismo is made by people who love cars and love the history of racing. Forza just has this boring feeling like they just pushed a game out and barely gave a crap anout yhe deteil and passion. Theres a reason from the ground up is a meme now. Half yhe cars are just 2014 model trash they basically did what gt5 and 6 on ps3 did and that got them shit on hard at the time. Too bad forza couldnt have learned even with all that Microsoft money.

[@palazzo1113]

I know this isn't the exact point of the video, but as a longtime fan of both games, allow me to state what I think the ultimate difference is between the two games is: GT7 is more Theory/Study and FM is more Practice/Application. If you have a good wheel and pedal controller set and a copy of GT7, honestly you could teach someone how to drive, while also getting tons of info about the history of cars and racing. Whereas FM is what happens when you've graduated and just want to pick up a car, mess around with the tuning a bit, and just drive and race. If you have the means to play both, do it. Sometimes, it's nice to have a GT7 technical challenge, but sometimes it's great to just pick up FM and go.

[@JungleMU]

I think racing games should have a camera options that basically makes the image look slightly lower quality and compressed, making it mimic a cheap dash cam or something. That would make it look even more real in my opinion.

[@hsss1]

Just grab a ps1 and GT 1 lol

[@LYG4F]

I think both games look amazing. Each one has better areas than the other, but I honestly I like the raytracing in forza

[@Dzasmina2304]

Really enjoy this types of videos! Thanks Kireth 👍

[@Do.Christ]

Elevation depiction and physics are what I would be more interested in knowing. I was a little underwhelmed with FM (don’t own the Japanese edition) elevation scenery but still good. Pcars is still the king of elevation although it is overstated but I think I prefer that🙂

[@TinyBearTim]

What u mean Japanese edition

[@trinidad111]

I’m not a fan boy or brand loyal to anything. I own a ps5 just for gt7. I was anxious for this to come out and was prepared to buy an Xbox just for FM and I’m blown away at how awful it looks in comparison to gt7. Despite having a lot of cars I’m dying to have in gt7, and desperately wanted more tracks, the thought of ever playing this has come and gone. It’s made more much more appreciative of the detail and thought put into gt7. even with all the game lacks it really is a special creation

[@DaveAdams222]

Just realized that I've been watching your videos pretty consistently for like 2 months and somehow I wasn't subscribed. Fixing that now!

[@Kireth]

We all make mistakes Dave 😅😅

[@Satori-Automotive]

I like the contrast in Forza. It looks kinda "juicy" with those contrasts, the stars, the neon lights etc. But It should be darker in many places. GT7 looks a bit flat and i dont like so much glare and it looks like a weird warm light filter was used. Otherwise i think it often looks a bit sharper and more realistic and i like that its darker. So i think Forza looks way better here. Its the first time i like the look of the new Forza. So a mix of both would be good.

[@TheJeffMilz]

In the middle of the night are not so much people on the track. And again: the tribune of T13 is closed for any audience. But the camps are looking better on FM

[@brotherofpearl852]

Man, considering this is basically a 3k+ Rig vs a 400$ PS5 and Forza is still not the clear winner, seams like a joke. Plus, the Moment you have a Wheel and PSVR2 in place there is no comparison anymore, and you can get all of that for 1,5k. GT7 with 1.31 Patch in VR is just the best driving experience you can buy right now when you wanna spend less than 5k

[@nihilityjoey]

People are talking about the force feedback in forza. You can adust the force feeback per car in the tuning menu, as well as the normal force feedback setting in the main menu.

[@Beemerider]

I question if Forza is actually using the correct colour temp for the headlights on the vehicle. I get the impression the car you were using was an older model and probably used a warmer lamp compared to modern cooler coolers. So from the GT7 looked more accurate simply from that point.

[@Kireth]

Both same model iirc

[@Doktorfailgaming]

Forza doesn’t. On no car. They all have the same headlights. This is very obvious on cars that have a yellow tint in their headlights (like a lot of endurance cars have that are driven on the Nurburgring) and they all have a cold blue light.

[@nihilityjoey]

​@@DoktorfailgamingNo, just no. And it's for the same reason Gt7 has so much glare. It's not in the same league as forza for lighting. The only thing that separates these is the added flood lights. To me? I dont care, the track on forza is just better, same for the driving.

[@FlemoEFC1878]

​@@DoktorfailgamingForza does have different versions of lights your only have to look behind you on a night race and see the yellow or multiple colours of lights

[@RotNside]

I spent about 40hrs grinding safety on Barcelona on ACC in the rain and at night… And when I hopped into forza same map and time of night ? I HATED IT! They should remove the flood lights lol

[@iliet5120]

Great video! Could you make another smaller comparison where you go and adjust the contrast and brightness based on your taste in both games just for the night race. I’m curious to see what happens if you artificially take the brightness down and add more contrast if the realism change. All in all great content man!

[@jjshobbypower9091]

That's a very good comparison video my friend. Nicely done!! 😊👍🏼

[@Kireth]

Thanks!

[@dempsej]

As I’ve told before, GT7 delivers Nurburgring Nordschleife experience and Forza gives Nurburgring Disneylandschleife vibes.

[@EatSleepEmpire]

Gt7 head lights don’t light up your rear end enough, even though you light up other drivers cars with yours and in reality they do

[@Bow_75]

great video and i have to agree with you that for the most of it gt7 has the better lighting, more sim like. just to point out as it was a comparison video i did think that forza did do the foliage and forna considerably better than gt7 but that was never mentioned.

[@Uniteddave]

Think your right about the dark scenes in gt. But when you pass a car in the dark in gt their headlights don't seem to affect the lighting on your vehicle all the time. Probably a simpler baked lighting affect but Just looks a little off. Update 5 has definitely cleared up the image on forza and the game is heading in the right direction. I hate that camera angle in gt makes the game look janky. Track detail : forza Car detail : gt all day.

[@humbertosouza9013]

"Think your right about the dark scenes in gt. But when you pass a car in the dark in gt their headlights don't seem to affect the lighting on your vehicle all the time. Just looks a little off. ", totally agree, your headlights beam lights all the way forward, but others car's don't.

[@Uniteddave]

Yeah sometimes you see it but not always. But yeah, if you are directly infront of the vehicle it's seems to work. They both look pretty good though.

[@ericrodriguez1013927]

I’ve played both and the only thing I like about FM is the online racing the practice and qualify with other ppl on the track vs GT you by yourself in qualy and there’s no practice besides the qualifiers. Sometimes you just don’t wanna qualify but just practice, also while I race I’m to focus on the race itself other than what’s on the stands

[@DrShakamoto9]

You can just enter practice for each online race and set as many lap times as you want for unlimited time until you then enter a race

[@jonasfermefors]

It was interesting.. I went in knowing that I didn't like the floodlights in Forza, but I actually prefered Forza's look at night. GT looks more lit even without the floodlights - I didn't like it. If Forza removed the unrealistic floodlights I would like it a lot better than GT now it was just a little better (for me). This was a bit of a change from daytime where I prefered GT(slightly) because it did trees better which altered the vistas - but that wasn't an issue at night. I do think GT has a more CGI look overall and Forza a more realistic look that I like.

[@garibayja123]

Gt7 is my game, but I must admit I wish the track felt more "alive" at times. A different atmosphere style would change the game , i.e lake Louise circuit looks way better at night

[@SmithyMC]

Yes Another Great Comparison Video - Personally I'm on PC and Soo very Happy How Forza Motorsport has implimented most visuals and Particulary Like the Night Lighting soo much in the Nordschleife. I do hope we Now get more of the Tracks/Couses from FM7. Yes the Day Lighting for Motorsport is a Bit to Cold and they could change that with the Pallat but This Latest Update is a Super Update and Makes These Courses so accessible for those on PC Who do not have a wheel. I love the Way You have presented this in That Showing Both game perspectives in a balanced way as I have seen too many biased fanboy videos that do not show the whole picture and try to put the other down. Motorsport is improving now and just hope they keep the team working over the coming months. Great Video.

[@AlessandroSilvaCosta]

NO, don´t ask them to port tracks from FM7. They didn't even correct the Daytona pit exit. And Nordschleife is a poor port from FM7.

[@yakuzaro904]

Try comparing thwm like this with other games that have the Nordschleife track included, please. 😃

[@Kireth]

Brother I want to race as well 😅

[@bassman12]

i prefer Forza's presentation. Both fun to drive though.

[@Boostlagg]

Playing on both gt7 and forza, the ring feels completely different. Forza seems to have way more elevation changes. I think they’re both great in their own way. The Ring at sunset in Forza is gorgeous on a hdr tv.

[@1234legend1234]

Really enjoyable video. I really enjoyed driving at night in fm8 even though its lit up a lot it still feels atmospheric. Would be interesting to see how the track has developed over the years from say GT4 to FM8.

[@Kireth]

This might be of interest kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3q6mWZ8frWEm5osi=yT0RFXneEDdcg4r9

[@1234legend1234]

@Kireth nice I'll give that a watch. Loved playing GT back on the ps1. Also how good are those graphics for gt4 since its 20 years old.

[@almightyIrie]

i've been playing (hd upscaled, analog compatible modded) GT4 on emulator before switching to FM8 2 or 3 days ago (no nordschleife = not a racing game i'd buy), and yes, the difference is huge. Same track but sections ike Flugplatz and surprisingly to myself exit Metzgesfeld feel very different. Nordschleife underwent quite a few constructions betwee whenever gt4 was released and it's currently under construction again. These changes are represented well imho.

[@DustyCarlyon]

I find GT7 to be a bit more realistic. I know it's just a game but, I appreciate realism in Sim racers. FM feels more like a sim/arcade game.

[@lincolnklayvr]

Forza looked like a festival but there happened to be a race taking place , for all it's issues Forza has the most beautiful night races I've seen , I wish it had VR support

[@bossappacalips3969]

I think that forza has ray tracing so they use more of colorful lights than gt7 because I believe they don't so they aren't usable

[@Vellano43]

Great video....thanks for including real life images in the comparison

[@Kireth]

No problem man!

[@almightyIrie]

"in forza some ppl are looking at you, some don't, whereas in gt everyone is looking at you", but "forza wants to make you feel like a hero whereas in gt you're just part of another race".. right

[@zildjianzz]

Great videos! I love the positivity. I REALLY enjoy driving in FM but always feel let down when i start racing (visually and audibly). Can you produce a comparison with ACC GT3 Cars and FM GT3 cars? Cant wait to start watching the Bathurst 12hr in 5 hrs. (Yes im from Australia) 😊

[@FedericoFroebel-dw4je]

I absolutely hate GT7 collisions. They look so fake and unrealistic. 21:16 And the car doesn't even get a scratch. Aside from the extra lights in Forza Motorsport, most of the crowded areas are more accurate to real life on FM than GT7

[@iPh1l1pp]

No

[@Mcfigg]

The cars in GT7 is what I dislike they seem to just move side to side no movement in suspension…no dipping just to stiff..

[@iPh1l1pp]

@@Mcfigg Is the camera of GT. Not the car.

[@scottd7222]

​@Mcfigg the camera view doesn't do justice. The suspension in GT7 is great though.

[@Frankenslide]

GT7 has visible damage and scratches man so you’re just plain wrong here

[@EritoKaio]

Biggest thing with GT7 for me is how you cant see anything in front of you if theres a car blocking your lights, I assume this is more of a console limitation to not render the opponent's lights, but it really makes things difficult at a track like this.

[@bobmylo]

not even in the same league and i've enjoyed both franchises over the years

[@fred420]

I think Forza looks miles better. GT7's taillights are annoyingly bright and the lighting is flat all around. Also, you mention the crowds in FM8, the volume of crowds differ based on the time of day. If you race mid day the stands are packed, late at night or early morning not so much, at least on the PC version it's that way.

[@henrycopeland7316]

Could I make an observation and ask a question, from the positional view in the video, the forza brake lights seem dull but more realistic. The GT7 brake lights seem inordinately bright which they would be if I was sat in the drivers seat view, but I wonder if in the following position above the rear of the car the reflective angle of the lights would dim them down. Brake lights are directional, and I wonder what difference it makes when night racing in an in-car view. so therefore my question could you look t the differences in real world view, compared to forza and GT7?

[@henrycopeland7316]

Also do the brake lights ever go off in the clip you used from GT7?

[@yakuzaro904]

Too bad you can't race at night on Nordchleife in RaceRoom Racing experience.

[@ionutortian5885]

FM it's a good game overall,but they made big mistake at beginning with cars handling(unfortunately persist after update 5), penalty, servers quality

[@Texaspokem11]

The headlights going through the trees looks much more realistic in GT7!

[@danielhultenius5506]

Why did you set the lighting to +200% in the GT part?

[@Itz_JayM]

I dont really have a preference either way with crowd and object detail is outside the track. Both look great and its clear they each have a creative difference. I care most about making sure the actual track itself is accurate which both have done very well. You can tell that they've used track scans from different points in time, as the graffiti is different on the track. One thing I did notice even more so watching this video than when playing(as I am often very focused on driving) is a serious critique I have had with both GT7 and Forza. GT7s issue being the shadows cast off the cars when headlights or other light sources hit them at night from behind. It looks horrible and ruins the immersion with the giant blobs cast above the cars. It really is the only real issue I have with GT7. For a game that does so well with lighting and reflections at all other times of day without even using ray tracing, it really misses the mark with the casted shadows at night. My issue with Forza remains the lackluster car detail. Exterior car details are hit or miss. Some cars look like they actually have a lot of detail put into them and when lighting and reflections hit the car, they look photo realistic, while other cars look like they were rushed and half ass rendered to be put into the game, looking cartoony or straight up unrealistic. Interior detail is lacking as well and is more noticeable in some cars than others. Interiors are low resolution and look like they were simply reused from older Forza titles.

[@ColanCox]

Wish you would do it in cockpit view.

[@Owen_plays_music1049]

Night lightning is better or at least more realistic in GT7. Forza is too bright

[@fuzzybear86]

I bet GT is having to be a bit more restrained because it's basically a ported PS4 game with updated graphics where a Forza is bUiLt Up FrOm ThE GrOuNd Up so can add more detail and off track objects

[@Ungovernable_Schizo]

I think it shouldn’t be cross play. The PS5 needs to stretch its wings.

[@ikondrift]

It's amazingly difficult to compare FM8 and GT7 to IRL in this video cause of you switching off IRL as soon as possible, your inability to stay on the actual track in FM8 and the spectator fetish being the only thing that really seems to matter.

[@Kireth]

Sounds like a skill issue on your part 👍

[@Rezar_racing]

Forza need rivals in all weather and time of day, race flags and better sound than we realy getinn a good game at the end of d year

[@thecalicreez]

The crashes in Forza are the most accurate representation of the game 🤣🤣

[@fraenkiboii]

I really appreciate the effort that's been put into this video, I really enjoyed watching it. But I'm gonna go out there and say this: if you have the mental capacity to focus on the track surroundings and to blink at your girlfriend sitting in the crowd while racing, ... there's still room to improve your lap times, let's put it that way 😇

[@Kireth]

I would watch this 🙌🙌 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ-nkJSioZmZh6Msi=g_8CJCKvbhs9sARP

[@vofatis]

Good job , i play and love both game but i have better feeling with Forza (gamepad) more sensation, better feeling with trigger and the controller. Gt7 is like too slow 🤷

[@eckee]

Well I don't have Gran Turismo on PC so I don't have that choice

[@QuattroChristian]

Which music do you used for 16:13? Great comparison btw! 👍🏻

[@Gigoni9]

GT7 better

[@Texaspokem11]

The Ford GT is the best car of all time!

[@Kireth]

Second only to the Peugeot RCZ, yes

[@Texaspokem11]

@Kireth Sounds like we're going to have to settle this with a race! Jk but that would be fun! 😉

[@cathalorourke1]

Fiat Multipla

[@Texaspokem11]

@@cathalorourke1 No! 👎

[@cathalorourke1]

@@Texaspokem11 What!!!...it's beautiful though 😂

[@Jerome-C]

i never play with this car view... prefere the inside view, so this test is not accurate for me :) specialy when you see the big red light on GT7, this is a lot disturbing ... in HDR, your eyes bleed !!!

[@mattsellings666]

Wow Gran Turismo looks so much better at night over Forza!

[@XboxStation-xh8cw]

"better" for having less light, which helps hidind the poor level of detail of the track itself 🤣🤣🤣

[@iPh1l1pp]

@@XboxStation-xh8cwhas nothing to do with that.

[@aloneghost3060]

@@XboxStation-xh8cwbecause there isn’t that many lights on the real life track? Forza’s track doesn’t match how it is irl. GT7 does.

[@ESKATEUK]

Why are you lying? What is it with gt fans and outright lying?

[@ESKATEUK]

@@XboxStation-xh8cwnot wrong 😂😂

[@richpoor146]

I think it is pretty evident through this track and many other tracks that Gran Turismo really tries to nail down the accuracy of the placement of things. But I think I can speak for most people when I say that I don’t really know what the Tree landscape looks like around curve 20 in the Norberg ring or any other track. I want the track to be accurate but I do not care if they add a few things to make it look a little more interesting. Give me that instead of something that looks dull. If I wanted real life in everything I just stick with real life instead of playing video games.

[@GTChucker86]

Thats a nitpick at best

[@mattmanley7118]

I’m just glad it’s here. I’m loving it ❤❤❤ Hopefully the GT4RS front bumper will be fixed in Motorsport. As it WAS in Horizon 5 it was wrongly modeled as a GT4 bumper NOT an RS. A minor error but you’d think they’d update the model before releasing it in Motorsport.😅 I’m sure it’ll be fixed as it was so in Horizon 5. It’s an error with the canards if that’s the right term. More importantly I do enjoy the lighting in Forza as I’m old and my eyes aren’t as eagle eyed as they were 😂

[@Kireth]

Good point - these are still games after all

[@Mo0shii]

like de cars better in fm

[@zildjianzz]

Forza dropped the ball beyond words. Been a Forza guy since the OG and I just don't understand what happened....having been to many night series races myself, forza is waaaaaay to over lit, but GT7 is way too lite on spectators.

[@Kireth]

GT7 is even lighter on spectators in time trial as well

[@richpoor146]

With this track or all together?i really dont get the level of dislike from people on fm8. Sure it has some issues but it also has many positives like the physics this time around.

[@scottd7222]

​@@richpoor146physics are worse than GT7 though

[@zildjianzz]

​@@richpoor146 the physics are great...however in terms of fidelity/environments/ in car detail etc it fails. You can't say "built from then ground up" and deliver this. ACC cars look insanely better than FMs and the physics...wow. FM is much grander in design which i acknowledge. I play on Series X

[@richpoor146]

@@scottd7222 how can you say that when you feel like you’re sledding in gt7 compared to forza or acc? Every car in gt7 comes off the line as if it has the engine of a prius. Also , unless you have vr the cockpit cam is nearly motionless. Even if you put on the settings to increase the motion it just a roll that does not replicate the movement you would see going over bumps visually. The only way you can achieve oversteer in gt7 is going into a curve with too much break. The throttle is impotent at best.

[@sirpuntalot1282]

You need to consider who developed the game. Forza is US centric. Hollywood style. Everything a little too much over the top to make it even more spectacular. Racing is a big event like an amusement park with lights and barbecue and party. This is exactly what they apply to a German track. Which for sure doesn't match reality but is matching the style of the game. Gt7 is Japanese. Understatemant culture. If you go to a motorsport event, then that's what you want to see and nothing else. Germans are somewhere in the middle. If you look at the culture of the development studios, you know why the games are like they are. Why forza looks amazing just to look amazing and why GT7 tends to less is more philosophy.

[@Kireth]

Yes exactly the point I made in my daytime video 🙌

[@sirpuntalot1282]

@@Kireth keep up your good content and please keep your own views, irregardless whether people disagree. Don't need another content creator going clickbait or super polished everyone will agree videos. I disagreed with your previous one and agreed with others. But that's good. Don't always say what people want to hear as you keep doing so far. (but I know it will cost you subscribers though... 😅). Need to check out your daytime video 😊

[@TheAnugia]

wow, fm looks great too ❤

[@nightmareedge657]

Its nearly empty in forza during the practice so what?

[@claudiovic88]

Why does GT7 look so washed out on your video? It doesn't look like that in my ps5/TV.

[@DOC187able]

Gran Turismo doesn't waste time on the fans in the stands because it's just uses computing power so why bother bother gt7 is boss

[@OPZ256]

I understand that the track scanning in Forza is the current one unlike GT which is an old version.

[@SurferWin]

So you compare a gaming rig against PS5, which is the best of each game, so now you need to compare the Xbox One version against PS4. Oh wait... you can't. The real comparison may be possible when PlayStation gets a 'dedicated' console version at the current gen level. Remember that PD had to make GT7 cross platform, so may have had to make some hard choices that Turn10 would not have had to entertain. I suppose you could try Xbox Series S vs PS4, but that isn't really an apples to apples comparison either.