Kiriko can Teleport to (0, 0, 0) [PATCHED]

[@reddishcanine]

tracer walked so that kiriko could teleport to 0, 0, 0

[@hollowbread3946]

I would say that Tracer recalled so that Kiriko could Swift Step to 0, 0, 0

[@iSlutCake_only2genders]

Whoosh

[@ghoste767]

@@iSlutCake_only2genders what

[@nail9310]

@ghoste! whoosh

[@iSlutCake_only2genders]

@@nail9310 ye;)

[@DreadedLad88]

I like to imagine this happened to Kiriko a lot when she was first learning how to use the ability.

[@dragonex4723]

"Hey where did Kiriko go?" "Ah @#$% I teleported back to Junkertown again"

[@Kayther33]

Where is the world origin on the world?

[@neann6]

@@Kayther33 The coordinates of 0 0 0 land you in the Atlantic sea, west of central Africa basically so she's probably a pro swimmer as well!

[@neann6]

@@dragonex4723 Not only that she teleports off a mf cliff too! 😂

[@pwrsocket]

@@neann6 i like to imagine she ends up in the core of the earth.

[@JesseHallett]

Teleportation is inherently dangerous. Kiriko understood the risks when she signed up.

[@realchiknuggets]

lol

[@canineatnight6026]

Girl is more powerfult then the dragon brothers if she is ok witrh that

[@namedless]

@@canineatnight6026 the only thing holding her back is the tp cooldown if she didnt have that shed just be sans💀

[@justafan9206]

@@namedless *You remove swift step's cooldown. *... *You realize that you made a HUGE mistake.

[@Marblr]

to expand on 1:07, waiting to retrieve the destination coordinates has some purpose. a useful sequence when playing kiriko is to swift step to a critical teammate, look down, and immediately use suzu. if the teleport destination was determined on the button press rather than ~0.2 seconds later, you could end up at an outdated position outside of suzu range -- e.g. using swift step on a fast-moving teammate like a charging reinhardt. I don't know if this factored into the design (or if this hypothetical situation happens frequently enough to justify this) but it's worth noting.

[@cheggf]

If they wanted to keep that functionality and fix this bug they could have it mark a second set of coordinates on cast that are only used as a fallback if the more recent ones don't exist, right?

[@nemozinioux]

@@cheggf just check if the teleport target is still valid (aka still exists) and if not cancel the skill

[@blackm4niac]

I guess it's also keep confusion low. a player could move ALOT in those ,2 seconds and ending up nowhere near who you've teleported to could be disorienting.

[@cheggf]

@@nemozinioux I would think that casting a valid skill and going through the entire animation should teleport you, but I'm not sure what all causes the skill to fail. If it's only from switching heroes it wouldn't matter either way.

[@nemozinioux]

@@cheggf it works like that - Player presses the key, triggers the skill - The skill saves in a variable whose teammate's character the player was aiming - THEN it waits 0.2 seconds - After the .2 seconds passed, the game takes the teammates character that was saved, takes it's coordinates and teleports to it. What breaks it is that between the moment when the character is saved and the moment when the game looks for it's position, the character changes, aka does not exist anymore, so the game cannot find where it is and decides to use 0;0;0 as the place to teleport to instead What I said is that by simply checking once the .2 seconds passed if the character that was saved still exists or not BEFORE taking it's position and cancelling the tp if it doesn't exist anymore would solve the problem

[@LoveThomas07]

Apparently this can also happen to Symmetra if her TP is destroyed as soon as she teleports in it.

[@Marblr]

yep, though I have not been able to brute force/reproduce it using vanilla game settings since this was discovered in november. seems to occur under very specific conditions.

[@BooleanDev]

@@Marblr this video shows the sym bug, among others kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIezhHyBba1mrpY

[@hasteow-hm3im]

@@Marblr I watched a video it said that to has to be broken shortly after placing it but I couldnt recreate it

[@TheYCrafter]

if it happens with the timed destruction aswell, you could have the entire team on the push map origin in the beginning of the round technically, not that I would encourage such behaviour...

[@itsomni]

@@Marblr1:14 in my game comms video from 4 weeks ago. I took a sym tp the moment it was destroyed by the moving cart and tp’d me to 0,0,0

[@basicbacon5951]

That Sombra teleport shenanigan can actually be kinda useful if you know how to time it

[@akseli8314]

The time window is so small it's pretty much impossible to do it with any consistency

[@edibleturd]

​@@akseli8314 more execution focused players in other genres have been known to hit timing windows that small or smaller with reasonable amounts of consistency, even under stress. taunt jet upper for example requires you to hit three frame-perfect inputs in a row, and some people can still do it semi-consistently. the real issue is the amount of time you need to dedicate to learning this for such a niche use case.

[@IDespiseYouNumber27]

@@edibleturd + having to coordinate it and account for ping on 2 clients

[@knyt0]

@@edibleturd you need to coordinate with someone else which makes it impossible to consistently do it

[@snowleopard9907]

@Akseli they said same thing about mercy jump. I shall become a sombra main since my sisters a kirko main ehehehehe

[@tankguy5935]

I love the emoji in the player icon at 2:02. Such a little touch makes these videos so amazing to watch.

[@VetusDea]

it's absolutely rancid

[@zoeyzephyranthes1598]

Fantastic video as always. I think it’s worth mentioning though that the world origin either changed or is more relevant on Rialto now that it has unused PVE areas. Being sent to the world origin on that map now puts you in the PVE area left of the first payload turn

[@Marblr]

yes, that is noteworthy. it is still out of bounds, but now you will survive the trip!

[@nobleradical2158]

@@Marblr Wait, does that mean you're stuck there forever?

[@kempo_95]

​@nobleradical2158 you can probably still jump in the water somewhere.

[@trisfaleel]

@@nobleradical2158 I mean it’s kiriko…

[@jplayzow]

@@trisfaleel this isn't inherently helpful if it's behind enemy spawn

[@bihazards]

This is such a high quality video. The different animations you have going on to supplement what you're explaining are absolutely gorgeous. Love little tidbits like this, too.

[@rydm0541]

2:00 stuff like the small detail of changing the image in the bottom left adds so much too

[@idkwhattosayrlly2158]

The video style is also really similar to shounic too!

[@landsproduction6702]

if only he made videos about other things than overwatch. Im not complaining though these are really entertaining

[@michaelry9228]

A pretty cool and also kinda practical way to use this bug is to teleport to a Dva while she's demeching (since it deletes the mech dva entity, it works the same way as the interaction with people switching heroes.) You can maybe use it to escape if you have no other options, and if the origin isn't off the map lmao

[@swedneck]

Honestly quite strange that checking for this kind of bug isn't just a regular entry on the checklist for heroes that can teleport..

[@Caspppui]

This channel is criminally underated and needs more attention from the community. His videos are so well made and thought through! You just have to love his videos!

[@nail9310]

agreed

[@PhilipLL]

Elaborating on the topic of world orgin outside of OW. I played pokémon SV recently (i honestly really enjoyed it), and i belive the pokéball models are often stored at 0,0,0 / world orgin when not used. Certain rooms have some kind of pokéball slightly peakig above the ground at times, often either in the middle of the room or at the only entrance to said room. I will remark, i didn't find the game as buggy as many others have said Great video as allways, diving into the inner workings of OW.

[@Gr3nadgr3gory]

I saw literaly one graphical glitch. I have about 8 level 90 pokemon right now. Wugtrio up their trainer's skirt was the glitch.

[@sweethistortea]

I’ve seen those Pokèball’s on the floor before in Violet, and fell through the hill once. That was fun. 😅

[@blackm4niac]

it's possible they factored in the default position of 0,0,0 expecting some bugs to occur with regards to that so they put it out of bounds to make such exploits as useless as possible. That or during the pre alpha phase of their maps what is now the origin was in bounds but the layout changed making the origin no longer be part of the play area. There is no real need for the origin of the map to be in the exact center, unless your engine has certain size limitations and you're making the biggest map ever. I did some unremarkable mapping back in the UT99 days using Unreal Ed 2.0 and in that engine you couldn't build geometry past a certain point, but there is nothing stopping you from putting the entire map in one corner as far away from the origin as possible. But there is also no reason to avoid it. It's just the default starting point.

[@PhilipLL]

@@blackm4niac I'm only talking about inside descreete rooms isnide builings. I expect the 0,0,0 in the overworld to be in an inaccessible or just unknown place.

[@YormanGina]

Is that why there's always a random pokeball in each Titan's cave?

[@optiTHOMAS]

Thats so interesting! Love the presentation and detail on this! The editing is top notch, man! Very cool stuff! Love seeing intricate workings behind the scenes of a game! 😁👍🏻

[@althamese4494]

The way you enphasized the P in the word map @ 3:39 left my tongue with a tingling sensation.

[@itischief]

Ah! I love these videos, so high quality and informative. Great stuff as always dude!

[@iwadis180]

Loving the Gerudo Valley from zelda sound track in the background

[@Ivealwayswondered232]

Your videos are so high quality!

[@frozen_storm_]

Bro we watch the same counted lol

[@StingrayOfficial]

Seagull gave a shoutout a month or so ago and I am so happy he did, your videos are dope! Sick production/animations.

[@ShoFox]

I love how tf2 and overwatch both have a channel like this for tf2 is shounic and for overwatch its this one I love these channels, their style and the topics

[@lordsmorgasbord2646]

as soon as you said it occurs when teammates swap characters I knew exactly what the hell was going on lmao

[@LyrinaeSings]

Always love your high quality videos, and I love the Zelda music, what a nice touch!

[@KuzakoTheAvali]

Pretty sure this happened to me today. Was playing Kiriko on Nepal, Village, and just as the round ended I teleported to our Echo who was inside one of the buildings and as the end of game screen came on where it goes into slow motion, I was falling under the map

[@Katster]

Hey Marblr, could you make a video on how POTG is decided? Since sometimes who the game awards play to can be extremely questionable

[@luvrsou]

YAAAAS

[@jewels3846]

Liking and commenting this to boost.

[@lanad3lreyyy]

😮😮

[@BringBackLFG]

I have always loved your videos and I hope to see even MORE! Thank you for all the hard work!

[@dankeykang6257]

Seems like the only time the exploit actually grants an advantage is on Esperanca, allowing you to instantly get to the bot and start moving it as soon as the game starts

[@Marblr]

the bot is locked for the first 30 seconds of the match, similar to king of the hill -- but you would definitely surprise the enemy team.

[@fukeiclozer2614]

The bot hasn't unlocked itself yet though, that happens 30 seconds after the game starts. So it's only really useful to get to a better/more aggressive position for the first fight.

[@passadelirious]

It is only useful if you do it after the first fight

[@xXunknownXx0000]

@@fukeiclozer2614 or overtime

[@ccricers]

@@fukeiclozer2614 And I just saw a video from Reddit to see someone do this glitch, right as the match started. Kiriko teleported to the center of the map, get one early kill off the enemy team, then tp'd back to her team so they engage the fight 5v4

[@mr.pyromaniac628]

you’re like the asumsaus of overwatch lmao. keep on making great content man

[@marcelostringer]

This is a great comparison!

[@kliveran]

is awesome how a simple explanation one can easily see AND fix the problem at the same time like ow team had the time and resources but still manage to fail in something how he said this bug would be fixed if swift step gets the current coordinates when the key is pressed and not when the ability is casted

[@Lucarioux]

The tracer recall to 0,0,0 is just so iconic to me that whenever I read that coordinate I always think of Mei and Tracer

[@MrScaryJoe]

So that spot in Junkertown is 0,0,0? I find that quite interesting. Back when Junkertown got released, I accidentally found out that if you throw a Junkrat mine on the TV antennas around first point, the mines would sometimes teleport themselfs into that 0,0,0 spot and stay there. Had alot of fun experimenting with that tech before it was eventually patched out.

[@kujojotarostandoceanman2641]

1:04 "let's call the teamate target entity" my dps whenever Widowmaker is clearly aiming the choke point

[@Linkyop]

Tracer 0 0 0 Recall v2.0.

[@andreicecold4379]

lol the little edit at 2:02 is superb

[@cmc0683]

I saw this on TikTok earlier today and now my favorite overwatch creator is talking about it

[@goldiedan5567]

This feels like a Shounic video from an alternative universe. A universe where he decided to play Overwatch instead of TF2.

[@blackdaisy2263]

The fact you took the time to figure this out to tell everyone. Sir, you are a hero saving our confused brains

[@FWU100]

I had a game as Sombra where this happened, the Kiriko was so confused she went from one side of the map to the other in seconds, I went to pick her up from the spawn and immediately translocated bringing her to the enemy backline, but everything ended well, we spawncamped a Ana 4 times until their DPS came to help her.

[@encyclochameleon6751]

OW: Sees this. Due to an unfortunate bug with Kiriko, we have disabled Bastion to fix this

[@borecMATEJAS]

Rialto has now a new hidden added part at 0, 0, 0.

[@ymeynot0405]

Thank you for the Gerudo Valley music.

[@theoriginalchefboyardee1740]

“Hey, wait a minute! I’ve see this one before!”

[@sweethistortea]

I love this docu-series about Overwatch glitches. I love learning about the inner workings of games.

[@c-doubleyou5093]

something ive noticed that Im surprised no ones talked about is somwthing to do with briggites ow2 character silloute and how it was changed during I think the season 1 mid patch or the seson 2 update if you could look at it I think it shows some stuff about what briggites new ow2 look was supposed to be

[@madara992]

Very situational but that point origin in esperanca is actually useful and critical especially in overtime and you can do it when you and a teammate got picked off and you need to be in the team fight as soon as possible

[@pharahmain8978]

This also happened to me once when I teleported to an echo in ult as kiriko the moment they died and turned back into echo

[@dimitar5734]

I love your videos Marblr. Even though I am already aware of this and know why it is happening I still enjoyed your explanation.

[@mooommo14]

If you trade 2 players each in a team fight, this could allow kiriko to tp to center on push maps making it 4v5. Essentially revere mercy revive.

[@aleclenzen8347]

Or even at the start and kiriko can wait for someone around a corner and 2 tap them lol.

[@nonvous6633]

Like the old Tracer bug. Also a lot of bugs stem from Kiriko, and yet she never gets disabled.

[@mateusneves589]

The other day i saw a clip of this and I said " oh yeah she's going to the world origin duh" Tysm marble for teaching us

[@Klenzer]

I love your editing @Marblr and good video as always. Do you make all those motion graphics yourself? Do you use After Effects? I'm just really interested in editing :)

[@Marblr]

yes and yes. I'd like to make a behind the scenes video in the future since it's a common request

[@Klenzer]

@@Marblr +1 I’d be super interested, thank you!

[@Newslnside]

the best overwatch technically explained videos are only for the marblr xD

[@cebrengirinis]

Really excellent breakdown! Thanks 😁

[@NakaharaChuuya_SKK]

a way this could be abused in maps like espranca is if the whole teams killed near the end, kiriko could get to the robot to stall time much faster (assuming the robot isnt close to the kirikos spawn) and could also be used to disorient the enemy team

[@seven7seven547]

you have no idea how many times ive died in those 0.2 seconds it takes to actually TP

[@rexoverwatch]

another banger of a vid, well done marblr!

[@briliyanaryandito3764]

Shounic if he played Overwatch:

[@Physi0ninja]

Funny thing is because of a fix for a glitch with mei it is impossible to tp to the map origin on New queen street and colosseo, sence you end up in a place where you are within a wall. And btw. if you do it just right you can actually survive the tp on Parisio and stay oob. On Eichenwalde you can do something simular by climbing right after the tp. This even allowes you to stay outside the spawn room if you hugg the spawn door. Also this glitch can be used to escape TDM maps if you tp to a duplicating echo, since many of the 000 coordinates are outside of the tdm boundaries.

[@asumiluna9066]

This also can happen by accident if a kiriko decides to teleport to a dying duped echo.

[@plsbuffme5470]

I already understood this bcs of the guy with his iconic sym vids and glitches and explanations ever since the mei Wall glitch in the past.

[@MrTrees-nd1pi]

I’ve had this happen when I tp to an Echo in ult and she died and stop I was trying to tp to a road hog where there was now just an Echo

[@Staymare]

Can also be used outside of spawn by teleporting on an expiring echo ult

[@Beevee]

Hey Marblr, another fantastic video. I know it's probably weird for me to have a video suggestion but I investigated a bit of this and it's always puzzled me how it actually works but when Echo Duplicates heroes. What logic determines what abilities' effects stay after the Duplicate expires? There's so many interactions in the game and you're very thorough and you would do way better than my crack at it.

[@Marblr]

to my knowledge, pets created by echo persist up to 3 seconds after her ult ends. this includes things like bob, turrets, immortality field -- anything you build. this is in contrast to status effects like nano boost or zenyatta's orbs, which do not persist after duplication. it has been a long time since I've checked this, though

[@Beevee]

@@Marblr Looking at my old notes on it, you're right. Though, Stuns go for as long as they do (probably not applicable now since OW2 release). DoTs and HoTs run their whole length I believe. And so will EMP. But I remember Mei's Wall being something that dies with her.

[@Cyberg101]

Wait until you see me on 0, 0, 0

[@TheMalleges]

You should do a making of to one of these episodes. Your animations and overlays look so cool

[@MetalSam25]

Kiriko casually teleports into the backrooms

[@NovaStorm93]

"hey i've seen this one before" "what do you mean you've seen this one before, it's brand new?"

[@AxisSpark]

If I had a nickel for every time I heard OW had a bug circling around a player warping to world origin with an ability, I'd have two nickels. Not a lot, yes, but strange that it happened twice.

[@Marblr]

you would have far more nickels!

[@iops4324]

Great video like always, but i wanna add one thing that this glitch also works with sym's tp.

[@TiroFinale39]

I remember that at some point in OW1 when Reaper teleported onto Mei's ice wall right as it broke it would also teleport him to 0, 0, 0.

[@nerotheone1234]

teleports in Overwatch never work well

[@NagisaStreams]

I liked the touch at 1:58 in the bottom left lol

[@justcallmexen]

I don't know what is in the code, but my first thought is to report where the hero is when selected to teleport to and if no value can be found when the swift step actives, then to default to this previously reported position.

[@user-xt4el5lf8p]

i don't play overwatch but it's good to know some development stuff of some games

[@MathewSan_]

Great explanation 🔝👍

[@LucreDenouncer]

I'm pretty sure I managed to teleport to Shambali Monastery's world origin but as Symmetra. I think I used it the moment it was destroyed. It really sucked because it was one of my first Top 500 games.

[@R3nz0-_-]

you're a smart cookie you silly scallywag, I sub

[@styregt2006]

Why is the world origin so random for each map? one is right on the point/payload the other one is under the ground hahaha

[@kennyjohnson26]

Finally, the OW wrongwarp

[@highnootnoot7254]

Great content as always!

[@VRWarLab]

Oh it's Kiriko from the world famous Snort Ark Porline anime

[@joshuamenges7764]

I had this happen to me once a little over a week ago. I was teleporting to a target on 3rd point on blizzard world, and ended up back in front of spawn and couldn't figure out why. My target had died during that .2 second cast time was the only thing I could come up with, and this pretty much solidifies my thought.

[@terrariku2010]

I immediately found out about teleport deciding coordinates on the teletport and not the button press day one. Because of this, she can actually teleport to a different ally than the one you targeted. Which can be very annoying and even deadly not going to your intended target. Because of this flawed logic in the code; I actually set her teleport sensitivity lower to prevent this from becoming a problem. Sure it technically makes her targeting more strict, l but it's a lifesaver when multiple allies are lined up for your teleport at varying distances in a team fight. I believe I have it set to 20 sensitivity. While it's technically trickier with a greater need of precise aiming to your target; I think it's ultimately worth it so long as teleport can change targets on you during the casting animation.

[@xxxxRouvenxxxx]

As a game dev, im shaking my head right now. There are easy ways to 'fix' this bug - also preventing to tp to very far targets like the example with sombra

[@personagenerator]

I did this in a comp game on Rialto tping to a teammate right when they died and the world origin is on the PVE side of the map. Game put me on timeout for a teamfight.

[@SmoggyLambGG]

_"Aye, where's that stupid Kiriko at!?"_ *[Kiriko screaming beneath the map]*

[@ash.networks]

Ironically, this happened to me today on Busan and then YT showed me this video...

[@bashful3026]

It’s mind boggling how easy it would be to fix this with just a cancellation to her original location(coordinates on the plane)

[@arabidllama]

Yeesh, this kind of bug should definitely get caught in testing as part of a checklist for targeted abilities. Switching heroes is something every player has access to at all times, and has all sorts of strange behaviors. The fix, IMO, would be for Kiriko to track the location of her target every tick, and then use that *only* as a fallback if the intended target is gone or invalid, to drop her as near as possible. Or just cancel it entirely and refund the cooldown, since this is a rare occurrence.

[@BobOrKlaus]

yeah, i think the best is to just cancel and refun if the coordinates are 0,0,0; because when the hell is that ever gonna happen in a real game when most 0,0,0 spots are OOB

[@pepacrow6794]

There's an issue with tracking something every tick, it consumes a lot of memory and in a game where optimization is key, its not a good idea to do that. Honestly its never good to track variables via tick especially when fps can also be manipulated

[@SJrad]

Kiriko when she teleports to 0,0,0 and falls off the map: “everything is not daijoubu”

[@phd-lc7fv]

I like the idea of the world origin being out of bounds being intentional, definetly easier than fixing the bug lol

[@reptilechurrasquero9048]

Youre the shounic the overwatch comunity needed

[@SpktraSK]

So this is interesting. If Kiriko tp's to the coordinates of her teammate, doesn't that mean she should spawn right inside them? But she spawns next to them instead.

[@Nennai]

Its not shown here beacuse I assume it's assumed we as the viewer would infer this, but ofc there is an offset added to the target's coordinates in the x and/or y planes (and sometimes z if an incline is present) in order for Kiriko to arrive next to a teammate, and not inside them

[@theReimy]

Check top right corner at 1:14. Surely there's other logic to prevent her from teleporting into colliders and stuff like that.

[@kissgergo5202]

One way I can see this being fixed is the ability grabbing the target player's coordinates at the beginning of the casting as well as at the end then if at the end of the casting the target player doesn't have a valid coordinate, the ability can default to the coordinates grabbed at the beginning.

[@stickyfox]

"Thou shalt not follow the null pointer; for chaos and madness await thee at its end." Would you believe this expression is coming up on fifty years old?

[@sivoutroi9166]

your content is very helpful to learn from, from a game developing pov

[@Minencraftin]

your editing is so pretty

[@LulledLion]

Practice Range origin is not out of bounds. Just conveniently above a death volume

[@kevinsierra9791]

Bro always drops bangers

[@jolness1]

Ocarina of Time music is perfect. And nostalgic

[@saquial]

The first thing that comes to mind to fix it is to add a failsafe where attempts to teleport to 0,0,0 are denied, but the problem is that in some maps 0,0,0 is inbounds, so it’d negate teleports if the target entity was there.

[@zensonaton4095]

There is a better solution to this problem; Instead of checking entity's position, the game can simply check if that entity actually exists or not. Pseudocode: def swift_step(self, target): sleep(0.2) if target is None: cancel_ability() teleport(self, target)

[@saquial]

@@zensonaton4095 Yeah, checking the existence of the entity would be the easiest way, but I proposed the denial based on coordinates since we aren’t sure how OW handles entities, so checking coordinates should be much easier than checking entities. Also, I think I’d be useful to have a 0,0,0 failsafe to protect the game from possible bugs related to teleportation.