Kirkham Motorsports University CNC Billet Aluminum 427 FE Engine Block 1 of 3

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David Kirkham

David Kirkham

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Here is another KZbin from Kirkham Motorsports University. Here we show you how we took a solid, 386 pound block of aluminum and machined it into a 427 FE engine block. www.KirkhamMotorsports.com

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@marcsolorzan9487
@marcsolorzan9487 2 жыл бұрын
As a machinist who has done large complex parts, I can tell you, this stuff ain't easy. The opportunity for mistake, or error is extremely vast. And 1 simple thing, at the end of the entire ordeal can totally screw up everything.
@scottym3
@scottym3 4 жыл бұрын
I could watch you do this all day long. I'm a retired CNC Machinist living in the Space Coast of Florida. Many of my parts went up in space for satellites and such. I do miss working on them. Ran quite a few Haas and others. I so loved setting them up and getting a first piece off to see what the final product looked like. Great work on those blocks.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I love making things! We are working on a crazy part right now. I'll work on getting a video of it up for everyone to see. It is 80 inches long!
@hockeymann88
@hockeymann88 2 жыл бұрын
Good Lord. That engine is at least as desirable as the car. Machined from a single billet! Holy hell man. That must be the sweetest FE on the planet.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 11 жыл бұрын
It really is a ton of fun. There is a huge need in US industry for guys who can design, program, and run these types of machines. Keep working hard :)
@tunaharhar5666
@tunaharhar5666 7 жыл бұрын
As an ex machinist and tool crib/tool ordering person I can appreciate the work you are doing! You were hanging some of those endmills way out there which tend to snap (Goodbye $3-400 each). Great design and programming!
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 12 жыл бұрын
We sent the block out to be line bored at an engine shop. The cam bearings are all the same size. We took out material to save weight (it is easier than going on a diet :) We are using 6061. It is the best all around alloy for this application (corrosion resistance, strength at temperature, availability, etc).
@rossbmarvin3rd
@rossbmarvin3rd 9 жыл бұрын
I spent the majority of my career as a CNC set up man. That's really a great job you've done.
@ghost2coast296
@ghost2coast296 8 жыл бұрын
Wow you really pushed that machine to its limits. I would have never imagined an engine block being made in a machine of that size
@NinthDensity
@NinthDensity 9 жыл бұрын
Beautiful piece of work. Have never heard of a whole block being carved out of a single billet.
@InTheDogHouse3DPrinting
@InTheDogHouse3DPrinting 9 жыл бұрын
I have always wanted to work in a shop like this. I don't know anything about machining, but I would love to do assembly work in a place like this. I have been a mechanic for several years, and I used to build engines from kits, and rebuild engines for lots of customers. Now I work on motorcycles and ATV's, along with small engines. LOVE being a mechanic.
@mikldude9376
@mikldude9376 10 жыл бұрын
Nice work , and you are a gentleman David, you answered all those questions , even the smart ass ones with complete aplomb, well done all around sir !
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks :) Most people really do want to add to the discussion. I certainly don't know everything and have learned quite a bit listening to other people with more experience that I have. Thanks for the kind words :)
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 11 жыл бұрын
Great question. Cast iron sleeves have been used for decades in engines. Cast iron holds oil well and wears for a long, long time. There are some exotic sleeves today that are used as well-- such as Nikisil.
@jlo13800
@jlo13800 4 жыл бұрын
What type of oil injection does this engine use? i would run nothing but synthetic motule 800 2t in it!
@joefish1498
@joefish1498 8 жыл бұрын
Great video on how to close splash doors on a cnc machine
@ledzeppelin27
@ledzeppelin27 9 жыл бұрын
what a time to be alive. awesome engine work
@jdubz22
@jdubz22 10 жыл бұрын
I want to work at your place.. Love to see someone actully maximazing the machine capabilities. Brilliant!
@mackwinchester
@mackwinchester 9 ай бұрын
It’s just crazy that every single task has to executed absolutely correct and theres so many different variables.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 9 ай бұрын
Manufacturing is our life here. We just love to make things. Thanks for noticing how challenging it really is.
@m98custom1212
@m98custom1212 11 жыл бұрын
This why I love working in machining watching a billet turn into something useful. Amazes me every time
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 11 жыл бұрын
We have always wanted a horizontal. It certainly would be better for a block. That is a great idea to use the lathe for relieving end mills. We will get an insert and try it. We used the mill this time because we had it handy and were back up and running again in about 15 minutes. Great suggestion :) Thanks!
@TheWorst-
@TheWorst- 9 жыл бұрын
Took a shot every time he said the word "Block", now i`m hammered
@kiefferdavis3784
@kiefferdavis3784 10 жыл бұрын
I grew up in small town with 65 HEMI Belvadere; 63 & half 427 Med.Riser 2x4barrel & my 69 Z-28.After FIVE motors I could stay up with 427.LOL.Friend has "California Flash" 68 Dart " Race HEMI " in his collection.Butch Leal came to see his old car.Welded at Restoration shop with high school friend ,Painter & meta-man.English Wheel hard to master!! Love all 60s Hot Rods.
@foadrightnow5725
@foadrightnow5725 9 жыл бұрын
The finished block is an engineering work of art! I'd have that as a centerpiece in my foyer. But I'm sure it would be vetoed in a flash. Oh well, centerpiece in my mancave it is, then! Beautifully done!
@henryross4343
@henryross4343 3 жыл бұрын
I have always wanted to own a Kirkham SC 427 - your cars are freaking beautiful. And then when i heard that you were going to start machining your own 427 aluminum blocks and just thought these guys are serious motor heads. I may not own one, but i appreciate your interpretation of Shelby era of cars!
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 11 жыл бұрын
Great answer. There are other exotic steels that have been used over the years. Cast iron is the best combination of wear, cost, function, ease of manufacture, lots of experience, etc.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks! There are lots of smart people out there. We are fortunate to know many of them who have helped with a lot of great ideas!
@OmaarHL
@OmaarHL 11 жыл бұрын
A masterpiece! We used to joke about this.....it's incredible to see these. Keep up the good work.
@CruzDemon
@CruzDemon 13 жыл бұрын
A work of art! I look forward to seeing more form you guys...
@atowngreen
@atowngreen 10 жыл бұрын
Very very impressive! I love the fact that you guys' use HAAS's -many people believe that they're just cheap, throw-away machines; when they're easily capable of achieving tolerances within tenths. I can't imagine how long it took to program and plan something like this. Most aerospace parts I've programmed/made don't even touch this. Kudos!
@dietermeyer9231
@dietermeyer9231 6 жыл бұрын
You don't repair a HAAS, you replace it.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 12 жыл бұрын
With billet you can make what ever you want and you are not stuck with a casting. With a casting you can cast hollow areas with cores. Castings are generally weaker--especially at working temperature. Billet lets you be really creative. We have lots of Haas equipment. We just bought a huge GR-712 and we love it.
@joshssauce
@joshssauce 11 жыл бұрын
I would LOVE to do this one day. I'm studying to become an engineer and I love this stuff haha I can even get emotional about it
@jlo13800
@jlo13800 4 жыл бұрын
yes i got 4 1600oz steppers for my 2 stroke big block project, i might need 5 axis not sure as i have to run a baffled sealed airtight crankcase for scavenging. most 427 can un dirested oil injection and are popper valved 2 stroks with 2 VRP pumps. Most today can run XD-100 ETEC BRP 2 stroke oil with out problems ans most 572 CID 2 stroks do anyways. I might get bigger 4200 ounch in stepper motors with drives and board for more handleing for the big 2 stroke!
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 12 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. I sincerely appreciate them. 30 hours of CNC 30 hours of CAD 50 hours of programming. We spend a lot of time programming because we program in all the deburring passes and champhers to make a nice part.
@prinzikenna.o6577
@prinzikenna.o6577 4 жыл бұрын
Good job sir
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 4 жыл бұрын
@@prinzikenna.o6577 Thanks! Glad you liked it :)
@QLQZ
@QLQZ Жыл бұрын
What type of aluminum is used sir
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 Жыл бұрын
@@QLQZ 6061 T6
@QLQZ
@QLQZ Жыл бұрын
@@KirkhamMotorsports1 Sir I want to ask you about something
@FreebitNL
@FreebitNL 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, the professional work, shines like a diamond.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@leloodallasmultipass
@leloodallasmultipass 12 жыл бұрын
lazy! when is someone going to make a decent flat 8? you'll probably have to use a different config for the suspension, but once you get that ironed out, you will have the best cg you've ever had. SOOOO worth it. please do it. the world needs this.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 13 жыл бұрын
@fixerdave, Great question! We rough machine the block and leave lots of material on for a "roughing finish pass." Then we machine the block again and leave about 0.010" for a finish pass. Then we do the final pass. Because the block is free to rotate on the pillow block end of the "A" axis, it twists and stress relieves every time the pillow block brake releases and the block rotates. We connected the pillow block brake to the same air brake that is used on the rotary axis.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 13 жыл бұрын
@billg69gmc Thanks for the kind words. I sincerely appreciate them. 30 hours of CNC 30 hours of CAD 50 hours of programming. We spend a lot of time programming because we program in all the deburring passes and champhers to make a nice part.
@CarguyEd5150
@CarguyEd5150 4 жыл бұрын
That truly is a work of art, the stuff of dreams, and job well done! I can only imagine what it took to get to this stage of manufacturing and the time and start up costs must have been steep, but as the old saying goes, fortune favors the bold. Simply amazing and great video!
@jlo13800
@jlo13800 4 жыл бұрын
Thats a way to make a BB 2 stroke. i got a few 1600 oz spepper and might need bigger but the 1600oz in stepper should handle a big block od aluminum for a BB 2 stroke ove about 600 CID. it needs bafled crankcases and mor bore spacing, this 427 is a poppet valved 2 stroke with direct oil injection though that is show here.
@TheRandomActivity
@TheRandomActivity 10 жыл бұрын
CNC milling machines are amazing!
@ArnoldsDesign
@ArnoldsDesign 12 жыл бұрын
Yep, sometimes you have to use things on hand to get the job done. I've relieved endmills now and again using a harig on a surface grinder. This looks like a cool shop to work at.
@MrMojaveDude
@MrMojaveDude 9 жыл бұрын
Very Nice, Having been a CNC machinist almost 30 years, I have many questions, But, I rather just give Props for job well done, Thanks for the Vid!
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, all material moves and stress relieves as you machine it. We roughed everything out and left substantial material all over so it could stress relieve. We then did 2 finishing passes.
@NintendoFunTime
@NintendoFunTime 8 жыл бұрын
Not sure off the top of my head if that machine is capable of running through spindle coolant, but if it is, you could save a lot of time and money when drilling the oil and water journals if you used a through spindle carbide drill. Guhring makes some very nice ones. Pricey, but they drill fast with no pecking, and they last quite awhile.
@gheumann
@gheumann 13 жыл бұрын
As a gearhead and amateur CNC home machinist... DAMN! Nice work!
@darrylhorrocks5688
@darrylhorrocks5688 9 жыл бұрын
Very pro! I like the CNC machining of the endmill. All the shops I have worked at in the past would have made me do it by hand using a Dekel.
@robertsnare3529
@robertsnare3529 2 жыл бұрын
Mister David I AM SOLD.. YOU ARE THE MAN.. Thanks
@OriginalBrett610
@OriginalBrett610 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! It was amazing to watch!
@huskerpwrful
@huskerpwrful 12 жыл бұрын
How many end mills do you go through in one block? This is pretty impressive and it is good to see this type of manufacturing right here in the US. I am a mold toolmaker for a company and it kills me to see foreign tools come in. More people need to be aware of what we can do as machinist. It is also good to see you using an American Made machine! its so easy to get others in this world. GREAT VIDEO!
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 13 жыл бұрын
@dethmetalderique GREAT question! 7075 is a great alloy for high strength--at certain temperatures. However, 7075 has poor strength at the higher temperatures encountered in an engine. 6061 is actually stronger at engine temperatures. 7075 also exhibits very poor corrosion resistance. 7075 is also very susceptible to stress corrosion cracking. 6061 has far higher resistance to corrosion.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words. The block indeed DOES distort all over the place as the aluminum stress relieves. We have to rough it with about 0.065" of material all over, then do a pre-finish pass and leave 0.010" before we final finish machine the block. I think the entire process was 25-30 hours.
@ArnoldsDesign
@ArnoldsDesign 12 жыл бұрын
Nice engine block. I like these Haas machines. I would recommend using diamond wheels for relieving endmills instead of CBN. The diamond wheels last a lot longer and cut faster and easier.
@lobomella128
@lobomella128 10 күн бұрын
This video is 13 years old as I type this; considering how fast technology moves, what is the biggest engine you can make these days in 2024? How fast can it be done? This is truly impressive, even after all these years.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 10 күн бұрын
You can make an engine about any size you want. CNC mills can be very large. Speed depends on detail and size. The bigger something is the longer it takes. The more detailed something is the longer it takes. It is truly amazing what these machine do.
@PhaseConverterampV
@PhaseConverterampV 5 жыл бұрын
I run the same machine. However, your parts are considerably more complex. Excellent machine work. Thanks for posting video. A day and a half cycle time?
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, I think it was about 30 hours of machine time.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 13 жыл бұрын
@xevious2501 Thanks. Yes, all the chips are recycled. It takes much less energy to remelt chips than to make aluminum from oxide. I don't know of anyone who machines at extreme temperatures. I am not sure how you would keep the part at any extreme temperature for any meaningful length of time as the machining process is quite long. We take thermal expansion into consideration when machining tolerances. I am excited to look into any info you might have on Ferrari's process.
@洪素鶴-t2u
@洪素鶴-t2u 2 жыл бұрын
在加工上跟熱處理一樣冷膄熱脹,侯不能太熱,材質關係好大分享
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 2 жыл бұрын
@@洪素鶴-t2u Thank you!
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 12 жыл бұрын
Good questions! We bored the camshaft 1/2 way from both ends with the same size bores. Many variables are taken into account when making a block--yield, stiffness, etc. The strength of 7075 falls off quickly at the operating temperature of the block. The block dyno'd at 630 hp. It has 4000 miles on it and two track days where it ran for almost 6 hours straight each time. No one was kind to the motor on the track. Thanks for asking. Happy to answer any questions :)
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, tools wear out. We regularly inspect and replace them. We really don't adjust tool paths to compensate for tool wear. (However, there is slight adjustment in a lathe for tool wear when making parts with high tolerances).
@moonryder203
@moonryder203 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Working on engines like that must be exciting! plus nerve recking for both programmer and set-up guy! LOL!! You definitely have some talent in your shop! Good luck on all your projects! Thank you for sharing this video!
@njfinests
@njfinests 6 жыл бұрын
whats the advantage of using sleeves vs. (block) walls for the pistons? Damn that block looks thin as hell. How much Hp & tq can you run through that 427 block & be reliable?
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 6 жыл бұрын
With the sleeves we can make it lighter. The engine dyno'd at 645 hp (if I remember right) and it now has over 10,000 miles on it.
@njfinests
@njfinests 5 жыл бұрын
@@KirkhamMotorsports1 hey Dave, Whats the maximum amount of HP & TQ can a person get when he orders one of your kit cars?
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 13 жыл бұрын
@irainco, Great question. Billet aluminum is very strong and resistant to softening at the temperatures encountered in a running engine. Also, with a block of aluminum, we don't have to make a foundry pattern and wait for a foundry to cast the block--only to have to machine it later anyway. We can test the design and make changes quite easily and we are not locked into a casting pattern. This works very well for short runs of parts.
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 11 жыл бұрын
it's just a metal properties problem. for ex : there are bearings (soft alloy) sandwiched between very hard steel parts to avoid seizure.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 12 жыл бұрын
There are advantages to castings and advantages to forgings. Forgings are stronger and have much better strength at operating temperature. Castings let you make hollow parts (water jackets, etc). We solved the water jacket problem by using wet sleeves. Castings also have serious porosity, core-shift, and inclusion problems.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, I posted we could make a car in Stainless--but for some reason I can't find it right now. There are problems with posting comments now that youtube and google and google+ are connected. They just started. Hopefully they will have it solved quickly. And...thank you very much for the kind words :)
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vote of confidence. We are completely booked right now with orders.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 13 жыл бұрын
@PixMan107, Indeed those drill bits are very fast...but extremely expensive. We have "through the tool coolant" on the mill (you can see it when we do the deep milling on the mains side). That said, "speed" isn't always paramount in a machining operation. When a part runs all night long on a mill it really doesn't matter if it finishes at 3:00 am or 4:00 am.
@keithlane4343
@keithlane4343 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a CNC programmer / set-up / production manager, have to ask, what's the total cycle time? We've been machining prototype parts from scratch for everything from ROV submarines to cutting edge medical components, and I still like to see a part emerge from a solid block of stock. Still not jaded after doing this for over thirty years. Enjoy seeing your videos. Take care
@CarlJohnson-km8zr
@CarlJohnson-km8zr 8 жыл бұрын
that's amazing, I've alway's been a fan of the 302 ford, and always wanted to mill a forged aluminum block and somehow mill a 4 valve head based off a Honda crf unicam design...but now ford has the coyote... Its amazing that japan and other countries used overhead cam multiple valves per cylinder to boost reliability and performance to different applications over the years and now the us automakers are utilizing it.
@area777th
@area777th 3 жыл бұрын
“Fear is the thief of dreams” that is so true...
@RoadHead62
@RoadHead62 13 жыл бұрын
@KirkhamMotorsports1 Very cool! I'm a metal fabricator myself, so I know what a job that must have been. Even if you had them stamped they would have required massive amounts of metal finishing to get it that smooth!
@captainfancypants4933
@captainfancypants4933 7 жыл бұрын
Very cool, how do you move those blocks around? seems like a tight fit in that cnc cabinet
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 7 жыл бұрын
We use a forklift to put it in and take it out. There is very little room. We are right on the edge of the machining envelope.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 12 жыл бұрын
We like to keep our guys happy :) Thanks for watching!
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 12 жыл бұрын
We haven't made billet heads yet. We are seriously considering it, however. We determined the seal relief by looking at Parker Hannifin's O-ring charts and looking at other sleeved motors. I don't have a video of the motor running...I should get one. We have just been too tied up around here with other cool projects :)
@iceman45ification1
@iceman45ification1 9 жыл бұрын
That block came out so nice it's almost a shame to use it. Lol. Very nice work!! 👌
@rdallas81
@rdallas81 9 жыл бұрын
+Danny Caballero right on! I would make a table out of it, with a glass top so people can see the beautiful cylinders........lol,
@iceman45ification1
@iceman45ification1 9 жыл бұрын
Roy Hemion​ that'd be an awesome idea!! Lol
@tomthompson7400
@tomthompson7400 3 жыл бұрын
Every chip that you remove just adds beauty , and expense . Perfect equation for quality engineering.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 12 жыл бұрын
Indeed the original 427 FE block was cast from iron (although there was a 390 block that was cast in aluminum for CSX3002 back in the day). Currently, Shelby uses 6 bolts in their cross bolt mains (two more than original) and Pond uses the original two bolts in their cross bolt mains. We decided to use a girdle (like F1 engines) for our block. All four of these aluminum blocks use sleeves. We have thought about using nikasil, however :)
@holdernewtshesrearin5471
@holdernewtshesrearin5471 6 жыл бұрын
saw the name and had to watch.im also a machinist although i no longer work in the field.wild! great vid btw!
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 12 жыл бұрын
Thanks for some great comments. The block dyno'd at something like 630 horse power. It has run several track days going all out--all day--with no problems. Many blocks have water between the sleeves (F1 blocks are made like this). Like most things, there are advantages and disadvantages to blocks with siamesed bores and blocks with water around the bores. We chose to have wet sleeves to improve the cooling (a problem in FE motors). Thanks!
@xevious2501
@xevious2501 13 жыл бұрын
Very nice post. My question is what happens to all the billet shreds? im guessing it can be melted down and re-used. Also, isnt it important to machine blocks under extreme temporatures. in other words, whatever you machine out at room temporature will not keep the same exacting dimensions under operating temp. so usually you would Freeze the block condensing it while CCN'ing so that the block will expand to that exacting size under operating temp. Its how ferrari makes there blocks.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 11 жыл бұрын
Great question :) Yes, the shavings are absolutely recycled. It is very efficient to recycle aluminum chips. The dies are VERY expensive to forge a block closer to the final shape. This is a simple way to test out a new idea.
@tashpaug
@tashpaug 8 жыл бұрын
That is a real work of art!
@timorgano
@timorgano 11 жыл бұрын
Good to see that the chips are recycled. I've always wondered that after seeing videos from dart and other people. They never say. What is the maximum sleeved bore of these blocks?
@DougHanchard
@DougHanchard 12 жыл бұрын
Wow... just ... drool.. Questions: Did you CNC build your own 427 FE Heads? If so, which model did you decide to go with? Tunnel, Low, Med or High riser? What kind of fuel system did you decide to go with? Weber, Injected or.. You show how you made seal relief's at the bottom of the sleeve's, what material are the seals made of and how did you determine what gaps to to machine to, given expansion needs and machining tolerance with forged 6061? Any video of the engine complete as an assembly?
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, we could certainly do it. The issue is time. We just have so many projects going on right now we can't get to all the cool stuff we want to :)
@TrainDriverRob
@TrainDriverRob 11 жыл бұрын
A very impressive and very expensive way of making a block. The finished article is a work of art and I'm amazed that it doesn't distort during and after the machining. Out of interest what is the total cycle time for this?
@TPVPRO
@TPVPRO 10 жыл бұрын
That's impressive I'm guessing you guys can make a complete engine right from the CNC machine.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 10 жыл бұрын
We probably could. I have thought about it.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 13 жыл бұрын
@rajgd009, We don't know how much power it will produce yet. Our cars generally have 600-700 horsepower. They really don't "need" any more than that. We haven't done anything to reduce the internal stresses except for careful machining practices. We can't wait to see it on the dyno.
@nukl466
@nukl466 9 жыл бұрын
Hope the motor goes into the car that was behind him, Holy Cow that thing looked beautiful.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 12 жыл бұрын
Yes, we are quite sure the block was forged. We bought it from an aerospace forging house in California that supplies to Boeing.
@a6t8vw1
@a6t8vw1 10 жыл бұрын
Impressive for a HAAS machine. good work
@oldmusher
@oldmusher 11 жыл бұрын
Guess I have to agree with Mango. I understand that this would call for a bigger billet, etc. But the advantage an FE still has over (say) a 460 type block is the skirts. I know...it isn't a cast block, and that complicates making a skirt area. Considering this isn't "vintage", and what it must cost, I'd consider an aluminum Windsor 427 less expensive, but still competitive. It is a total work of art, though. What main caps does it use? Or are those billet as well?
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 13 жыл бұрын
@522design We can do a block every couple of days if we wanted to. However, we just got the first block back from the dyno and we are now about to test it in a car. We'll keep you updated.
@trex1943
@trex1943 11 жыл бұрын
wet sleeves, the block doesn't have a traditional water jacket, rather the sleeves are relieved to allow room for a water jacket once the sleeves are pressed in. hence the reason for the o-rings that were mentioned.
@Mechknight73
@Mechknight73 10 жыл бұрын
Are you able to have the "waste" material from machining recycled? After making about 3 blocks, you'd have about enough material, if you could collect it all, to make one new solid block of aluminium. Very well done, considering how much an old fashioned cast iron Boss 427 block weighs, that's a huge improvement.
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 10 жыл бұрын
Yes, we recycle all the chips.
@flyingdog1498
@flyingdog1498 4 жыл бұрын
Did you do a FEA on the aluminum block and a fatigue analysis on the high stress areas or just copy a cast iron design? 1982 Oldsmobile 350 Diesel comes to mind.
@billwelter4101
@billwelter4101 6 жыл бұрын
So you must have plates bolted on the sides for a water jacket. Also, what keeps the two sides of the cylinder walls from spreading? The head bolted on?
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 13 жыл бұрын
@GNRacer, the block is based on Darton's MID system. The deck is open, like modern engines.
@hayeslincoln3111
@hayeslincoln3111 11 жыл бұрын
Dave, My uncles worked for Allis Chambers back in the 50s. I think they'd be flat out amazed at how far we've come in technologies. It blows my mind to see how precise machining has come. It's so cool. Did you get my inquiry about building me a Stainless Steel Cobra?
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 11 жыл бұрын
The main problem is wear,directly caused by the materials properties. The coeficient of friction is very important. You cannot make parts to work together if the different material do not "marry" correctly. aluminum and cast iron work very good together,stainless steel is very bad : it will cause seizure,even with a very good lubricant. bronze is too soft,specific steel is good too with aluminium,but less than cast iron. all is question of metals qualities and own properties.
@capncol
@capncol 13 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting. Enjoyed that. One of the more intersting videos on youtube
@JoAnnHudson333
@JoAnnHudson333 10 жыл бұрын
Hey there, Mike! I've been trying to reply to your comments on my videos (very, very kind of you and so appreciated)! For some reason, it won't let me reply to your comments, so I am posting here, hope you get the notification because I want you to know how grateful I am that you took the time to look up "The Child" and that you have fond memories of our great times at NTC Orlando. It certainly was my favorite gig, you guys were THE GREATEST and although we were unaware of the stresses that nuke school was creating, we surely do remember that y'all were just the GREATEST bunch of guys and always a pleasure to perform there. Somewhere I do have a digitized recording of "Got To Move" (gee, can't believe you remember that)! When I locate it, I will let you know and e-mail you a copy. I should be more organized with my stuff, LOL, I have so many darn external hard drives and it would take years to organize the contents of them all. Bless you and if you know why KZbin will not let me reply to your comments, help me out! You're subscribed to me, I am subscribed to you, so there is some glitch, or I may just be "Google-Member-Challenged," ha ha!
@cncmike
@cncmike 10 жыл бұрын
Hi JoAnn. I sent you a message but just to make sure I'm going to post here too. I found my settings were not how I thought they were so I changed them so anyone can comment on any post I make. At least that's what I think I did. Let me know.
@JoAnnHudson333
@JoAnnHudson333 10 жыл бұрын
Yes, got it, glad all is straightened out!
@KirkhamMotorsports1
@KirkhamMotorsports1 13 жыл бұрын
@SpecRLegend, We are just in the prototype phase right now. We hope to have the block up an running on a dyno in 30 days or so. The sleeves are made from ductile iron.
@JPANDA_108
@JPANDA_108 3 жыл бұрын
Where do you guys get the block of aluminum before its machined? And could a haas vf9 alone make an engine block and heads? Not including crank and everything else on the lower end and internals.
@SpecRLegend
@SpecRLegend 13 жыл бұрын
so how many of these do you pump out a day? would it have been more cost effective to run a 5axis? Also what kind of material was used for the Sleeve? Glad to see Haas. Hope to see what the block can hold!!
@MURATSEYİTHALİLOĞLU
@MURATSEYİTHALİLOĞLU 4 жыл бұрын
I want a 150 hp car or 500 horsepower. Can you help?.What should I change? Just tell me..l want to make my own car..I have an old car. I want to experiment with it.,I'm removing the engine now,,I need your information. Renault laguna 2 2007 year 268000km 110kw M9R engine.help me please..
@hamnchee
@hamnchee 9 жыл бұрын
Way to open and shut those doors, Dave!
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