New Micsig Oscilloscope is a winner! STO1004 Oscilloscope and DP750-100 Differential Probe review

[@johnwright8814]

When I was watching this, I was repeating to myself "I don't need another 'scope". Even if it would be a useful addition to my bench.

[@KissAnalog]

LOL. Thank you!!

[@URanInTheUglyForest]

I've had a Micsig handheld scope for 7-1/2 years. It doesn't get heavy usage, but I can count on it when I need it. It was a great alternative to the big brands at the time. Just like the scope in the video, it packs a lot of features for the price. Their customer support has been fast to reply when I've had questions. The PC interface software has been my only gripe. Otherwise, I've been pleased overall.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for the great feedback!

[@SaeligCoInc]

This is one of our best sellers! Thanks!

[@KissAnalog]

That’s great! Thanks for your feedback!

[@peterwu831]

A cool scope, and it’s battery powered so you won’t have “ground differential” problem easily. Wish it had a built in function generator and Bode plot capability.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks Peter - I agree with you!

[@pocoapoco2]

Yeah, if it had an arb gen I'd definitely get one.

[@KissAnalog]

I wish it did so it could do Bode Plots simply. But it is a great scope.

[@versace885]

Hi Eddie, I really enjoyed your review it was thorough. Thanks for these videos, very informative. Thanks a bunch.😃

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks so much!

[@andymouse]

Nice review ! but nothing they can do can change the fact that a serious scope has rotary encoders (or Pot's) that you can turn and click ! They can keep their daft Joysticks !...cheers.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for your feedback! I appreciate you! I thought the joysticks were an interesting move - but now that I've used them I can see how nice they are. I noticed that our mechanical engineers now use more of a joystick type of mouse instead of the ball type. I asked what the deal was and they said it was the new 'greatest thing' ;) but it took a little time to get used to. I think as technology moves forward - the confident manufactures will lead by changing and not being afraid. Maybe Micsig is starting the new trend? I remember when encoders were thought of as a digital comic replacement to the awesomeness of the analog bourns sealed pots;)

[@andymouse]

@@KissAnalog Perhaps I was a bit 'Grumpy Old Man' there but I cant see it catching on ! I'll take a slice of humble pie when I see Keysight and the like using them on £30,000 scope...cheers !

[@tohaason]

A bit worried about having to use a joystick. I'm not good at precision movements with my fingers. I can't use trackballs, and I hate touchpads. I absolutely can't use the IBM Thinkpad-style "joystick" alternative, which is what those joysticks on the Micsig look like. I can use a computer mouse and in particular the scroll wheel. Never felt like wanting to play games involving joysticks. I like the rotary encoders on the instruments I currently use. They're old and big though.. something new would be nice, particularly when I move to my retirement country and I can't bring my old scopes .. I want rotary encoders.. Edit: Looking closer at the video.. a) it looks like the way the joysticks are working is that you push and hold and release at the exact right time when e.g. the sweep is at the right place.. that's exactly what I'm not good at with joysticks: Timing. But b) it also looks like you can use the touch screen instead, for that particular function.. and that I can do, if I understood what I saw correctly. Edit2: That touch screen interface looks really good. Much better than on some of the other scopes I've watched reviews of recently. Edit3: Having looked around a bit more.. it's super frustrating that Micsig has improved the casing etc. on the new one, compared to the STO1104C/E series, but at the same time downgraded the UI so much with those awful joysticks. That's essentially what's preventing me from buying one. Micsig seems to have discontinued the 4-channel STO1104C and E models, they only list the 2-channel ones, but you can still buy them here and there. But then they have the older physical features (case, bnc) which would be a downgrade from the STO1004.. why couldn't they have made a model which kept the physical UI but was otherwise like that STO1004? As it is, I can't get myself to buy that joystick thing.

[@KissAnalog]

You bring up some great points. The smaller controls are not for everyone. But the touch screen is easy to use and does everything - I'm pretty sure;) They are coming out with new pads that have no controls which might be up your ally if you are OK with touch pads. They also have a new series of scopes coming out that I really want;) I think we are maybe a month away. I hope I can get one soon.

[@qzorn4440]

wow I cannot get enough of these neat test equipment videos for the hobbyist and working on VFD inverter 440vac 3-phase AC or 150-Hp DC drives. The electronic repair world is changing. Troubleshooting and decoding Modbus rtu rs485 IIOT as well as the farmers are asking who can fix their John Deere tractors and huge combines for a fair price? Mmm. 😎 thanks a lot.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for the great feedback!

[@lupo631]

Thank you very much. Your explanations helped me a lot. Today I ordered a Migsic TO 2004. I run a little workshop for motorcycles, old ones. I do not need big bandwith. The problems I have to solve mostly are single events of the motorcycle electic that cause a failure and occur sporadicly. For that I need a big deep memory. The enviroment in my workshop is both dirty and rough: oil, dirt and dirty hands, not like a workbench in a lab. For that enviroment the Micsig looks perfect and easy to clean.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for this real world experience and use case! I agree - Micsig is a winner for that application;)

[@lupo631]

Hey, what a surpirse: Today I found your video as a reference in a commercial video of Micsig on youtube. Congratulation! Thats a great compliment of the quality of your work from Migsig! @@KissAnalog

[@KissAnalog]

Thank you for letting me know. That is fantastic! I really like every Micsig product that I have. They are kicking but, and the new stuff coming out is really amazing.

[@ThunderbirdRocket]

Super helpful ! Extraordinary detail !! I learned lots of new things !!! Thanks mate !!!!

[@KissAnalog]

Thank you so much!!

[@waltercheatle1794]

Great review and quite thorough. If only there was an MDO scope at an equivalent price. I really like your GwInstek scope because of it's spectrum analyzer feature.

[@testboga5991]

Yeah, the GWinstek MDO would be so cool if only cheaper. I don't see why they don't lower the price. It's not fundamentally different from regular scopes. The SA is still just software, not hardware like in the expensive Tek MDOs.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for your feedback. I agree with @Test Boga though - the spectrum is only slightly better than the FFT. The FFT on the Micsig is far easier to use than say the Siglent. The spectrum feature and Bode Plot as well as the AWG is great on the GW, but at almost 3x the price - it is a bit high. GW will not work with me - even though many have bought their scope based on this channel. They are old school and work with distributors, so when I bought mine - even though I am so close to California, they had to ship it to the midwest to the distributor and then sent back to me. So shipping was more expensive and the time to get it was twice as long. They think their scope is worth more because it is made in Taiwan. Give me a break!

[@Bond4080]

@@KissAnalog Way superior than the Chinese built ones. Top notch components and quality control. Never had any problems with them.

[@KissAnalog]

I think the Micsig is built just as well as my GW Instek. Micsig is one of those top notch companies. The are really pushing the tech - and their new stuff is really awesome.

[@jodyhoward2899]

Great Job, just bought one and you answered most of my questions… Thanks Jody

[@KissAnalog]

Glad to help! Let us know how you like it;)

[@notimporta3416]

How about a review on the hantek TO1000 series ? .love your altruistic work

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks so much! I'm trying to get another scope to review. They have a new one coming out that looks amazing!

[@howlinhog]

I had the previous version and sold it. I'm left-handed and would constantly pick it up with my right hand grabbing the end with the control knobs. More than a few times I found myself accidentally changing settings by hitting the control knobs. I see there are less knobs and maybe even shorter and more inboard. Do you think the changes would help alleviate some of my self-imposed issues? I know it probably sounds odd for somebody who works off of a bench, but I'm a mobile tech. The rubberized protective layer sounds like a huge improvement for me personally.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for the great question!! I've actually been on top of a military ship (far off the ground) and really appreciate a scope that is easy to use;) I agree - this rubberized body is a nice improvement. I think the new controls take a minute to get used to, but they are simpler once you get the hang of it and one knob does multiple functions so there's less searching for the right knob.

[@TelonicInstruments-rn9tz]

Great review, this scope is being very well received by our customers in the U.K also we have Just had our latest shipment, so now in stock..

[@KissAnalog]

That's great to hear! Thank you! Love this scope - but would love to review the current probes for it;)

[@JDW-]

@Kiss Analog Don't you prefer the nice big knobs of the STO1104C (you did a review on that) better than the tiny blue buttons of the STO1004? Seems like the STO1104C knobs are better suited to people who like traditional scopes but who also want portability. Thoughts?

[@KissAnalog]

Great questions! I do like both scopes, but I like the new version in that the case is upgraded and feels more durable, but on the bench both are fine. I like the new input connections for their specialized probes which are lower cost than these probes that come with the universal bnc input. Usually specialized probes with special inputs are more expensive. I think you can't go wrong either way. I'd have to put them side by side again now that I've had time with both. I do need to do more videos showing the Micsig probes and scopes.

[@Kicker700]

Got to sit down and watch. I need a new scope

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks! This might be the one;)

[@mohamedsaady4557]

Thanks for All

[@KissAnalog]

You Bet! And thanks so much!

[@friedmule5403]

What a great review, it was fluent without any "what now to say" and you were great at going through the interesting functions. :-) I did only notes a minor thing and that was the reflection of the camera in the screen, maybe a circular polarization filter could remove that? I have to admit I like the user interface on the old model better, it has easy to see colors and a turn button compared to the "joystick". You talked about normally using 10X probes, but I thought that 1X would be much more useful when testing ripples and noise in, i.e. power supplies? :-)

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks! I appreciate your great feedback!

[@notquitecopacetic]

Ten minutes in. Coolest scope I have seen. Great video, well done! If my kids did not have to eat this would be my first scope :)

[@KissAnalog]

LOL thank you!

[@chantalheen484]

If you can afford less than 125$ shipped(ebay) the dso2512G is the best handheld 2 channel scope for that amount of money currently avail. check it out, I actually own two and at that price point I would say its the best handheld scope

[@notquitecopacetic]

@@chantalheen484 I will probably learn with something like that eventually...that is to say when I get caught up on all my other useless projects. Thanks for the recommendation!

[@swaneeway]

Thank you for watching the video. in Seoul

[@KissAnalog]

Thank you! I love Korea!

[@alexanderorozco661]

Thank you for the tutorial. Excellent 🥋

[@KissAnalog]

Glad it was helpful! I appreciate you!

[@alexanderorozco661]

Thank you for taking the time to guides

[@KissAnalog]

My pleasure!

[@zekzygaming5128]

Does this scope have common grounds between the channels or do they have individual floating grounds?

[@KissAnalog]

Great question. They are common grounds. But it is not tired to mains:)

[@always_broke_LOL]

Do you now prefer this scope over the GW Instek MDO

[@KissAnalog]

Great question! Yes - in general it is easy to use and fun. I do use the GW for bode plots though.

[@MrBoomtheroom]

how are oscilloscopes used to find out what is causing amplifier noise bleeding from transformers through to speakers

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for asking! Using FFT would be one way:)

[@john_hind]

Very nice! Not entirely convinced the joysticks are an improvement on the rotary encoders of the old model though. Something that has always puzzled me about 'scopes: why do they not have differential inputs built in? Would be safer and more flexible and should only increase the cost marginally since all the packaging and power supply arrangements for the external active probe would be unnecessary.

[@KissAnalog]

Yes the joysticks are something new and as all new things have to be proven out. That's a great question about the diff inputs. It is actually not trivial and takes some extra circuitry that complexes things considerably when also keeping noise low. The Picoscope does an amazing job and provides and unbelievable 4 channels. See this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHe1p5ePiaierpY

[@fredflickinger643]

Great review of a very effective tablet scope!

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks so much!

[@tonyfremont]

I've been watching the micsig scopes for a couple of years and they're really making a name for themselves. The build quality is way above most portable scopes, and they have bigger scope performance. Alas, I got a Rigol 5000 earlier this year, when I was afraid they might become unavailable. Of course they lowered the price by $200 shortly after I bought one. If I had need for battery operated portability, I'd definitely buy a micsig. There just aren't any better tablet type scopes.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for your feedback! Micsig scopes do seem to be really well made and designed.

[@jstro-hobbytech]

You're right. The only sub 1k one I can think of is finrisi.....

[@tonyfremont]

@@jstro-hobbytech I've actually got one of those "table" type scopes. It's cute and actually generally usable, but it's a far cry from "real" scopes. It's major weakness, to me, is not having input inversion.

[@jstro-hobbytech]

@@tonyfremont the rigol 5000 series scopes are incredible. With touch screens and 8gsa, logic analyzer

[@lensherman6242]

I'd like to see a review of the new Micsig current probes with tiny heads similar to Tek. I can't find a link right now, but I know I have seen them online somewhere.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for asking! I want to test them too. I think I'll get one when they come out - which I think is later this month.

[@jessemackenzie6516]

under display and common there is HorREF. Can you tell me what that difference between the 2 choices ( center and Trigger) i see no difference on my scope when I change it

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for asking. When you push the button to center the trace - it will either center in the screen - or center around the trigger.

[@electronic7979]

Nice review video

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks so much!!

[@Dyaxxis]

14:03 That's what I've experienced with the contractors' labs I worked in off and on for the past 25 years. I've even seen where there was an "enclosed high speed video camera" system mounted in front some of the high bandwidth analog o'scope screens in an attempt to capture possible events, then sure enough... the analog setups were quickly replaced once the digital scopes with deep memory and high speed capture came on the market (that is of course once the new systems were validated).

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for this great feedback!

[@tohaason]

Aren't those Auto (as in "car") diagnostics a feature only found in the SATO1004, and not in the STO1004? At least according to their website. Edit: In the video we see the headline "SATO 1000x series", so yes. It's not in the STO 1000x series.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for pointing that out. The automotive version does come with some specific features. Although some of the probes will work on any scope.

[@TheRcEngineer]

I want to buy one but i simply cant decide knobs or bigger screen without knobs

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks - that is a great question and I think it depends on how you use it. I think either one you would get used to - either not having knobs - or not having as big a screen;) The 10" screen is huge so I can see why you would want it. Here's the link: amzn.to/3Sz5K3u

[@cpcfreak]

It would be great if they give you to review the TO2004 or TO3004 to compare, and some of the new current probes to round out the offering. For myself I think the TO2004 specs are about correct, but I'm not so keen on the full touchscreen only interface. I think I would prefer the STO format with buttons, specially when working away from the bench on automotive or smarthome type projects, I know in the field in SE Asia humidity and dust play havoc with touchscreens. But 100MHz is not enough, 200Mhz seems to be the sweet spot and would make the Micsig ultra-competitive with devices like PicoScope or Cleverscope. At the moment many workshops have to share devices because of the cost, Micsig pricing we might see that change. The only thing missing from these scopes for a more complete field utility would be an AWG.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks Justin for your feedback! I agree - I like the physical controls so you have the option of touch screen or manual controls. I do like the touch screen though - which surprises me;) I love the Picoscope as well;)

[@cpcfreak]

@@KissAnalog Agreed, but the Picoscope and the Cleverscope are in a different price bracket and have no built in display, so you always have to add a laptop to keep them portable. It sounds like the Micsig touchscreen is pretty good, and responsive. I've found many touchscreen diagnostic tools to be a bit laggy on the touch interface, I suppose they have to balance size, cost and responsiveness, but a slow interface can be very frustrating. Sometimes when using a scope it's already stressful when trying to find a bug or intermittent fault, that last thing you need is the distraction from the diagnostic device, but watching your video the Micsig looks pretty quick.

[@KissAnalog]

Yes the Micsig seems to be very quick and responsive. I have fun using it so I use it most often.

[@testboga5991]

I got the scope and it's really great! However, it still has several software bugs and clumsy usability in some respects (channel time shifting) etc. When it arrived, it couldn't display an accurate signal. It was doing some weird aliasing. Only pressing "Auto" once fixed that, though - and it never reoccurred. A huge issue is also reaching the decoding channels and their menu. That's really cumbersome and the performance I've seen so far wasn't great, either. Lots of false decoding on I2C. FFT is also atrocious. Why the hell can't they just provide a menu to set the values. Adjusting it with the knobs is horrible. But apart from these quirks, which in similar form also occur on other cheaper scopes, it has performed fairly well so far. Especially heaving a floating device without mandatory ground is great already!

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for the great feedback! Have you updated to the latest firmware? I haven't noticed any problem yet, but then I haven't tried the I2C decode yet.

[@jony-baroi]

As an electronics enthusiast I wish I had a digital scope..!🥰😔

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks - they are really great to use. I will be giving one away at Christmas, so you never know;)

[@jony-baroi]

@@KissAnalog then I'm ready to not miss it!.. thanks❤️

[@jstro-hobbytech]

Are you going to do your civic duty??? Haha awesome video and if I had my time over I would've bought a micsig

[@KissAnalog]

LOL thanks Joey!

[@wesleysf16]

Hantek TO1254D is bad?

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for the heads up. What is bad about it? I wasn't impressed with the specs at the price, and I think Micsig is so much better on paper and I love the way they work. This one is a lot less expensive than the Hantek: amzn.to/3Sbfl26

[@wrlightssounds3579]

i wander what scope did they use to make this scope. 😅

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for your feedback. Today Chinese companies like Micsig are kicking our buts. Sad but true. You use a country for so many decades to build your stuff - they learn and end up doing it better. China is the new Japan. Japan tech today is top notch.

[@sleepyduck]

can you do a short video on how can we can properly use Eg deep memory in some applications?

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for asking! Here's one that I did, but let me know if I should do another;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYvMm6SJebl_gNk

[@pa3eka]

it is actually not a comparison of the GW instek 2072EG or the migstig sto1004 , the mig stig scope is a bit better but you are undoubtedly missing the spectrum analyzer and the 25 mhz built-in function generator the Bode Plot possibility I would think about it for a while before you do the gw gets rid of or banishes to your storage 🤔

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks Bert! I do like the Bode plot function with built in ARB generator of the GW, but then it does cost about 3x more than the Micsig ;) Actually the spectrum analyzer function is only a bit better than the FFT of the Micsig.

[@pa3eka]

@@KissAnalog You know I have the 2 channel 70mhz Its a lot cheaper than the 4 channel 200mhz with also the 2 function generators That is included spectrum analyzer But only 2 times expensive 😀 And very happy with it Specialy that there is no Computer needed Best 73s Bert pa3eka

[@jimmyzhao2673]

Could someone in the comments section recommend a scope for working with Arduino and small projects ?

[@KissAnalog]

Great question! I think this Micsig would be excellent! But at a lower cost, check this video out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZKnc2Son996n68

[@amins9240]

I have Voltcraft Dscope 707, I don,t found any data of Scope , I need bandwidh of freq of Scope. You help me

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for the question. It is a 100 MHz scope and it is pretty awesome I think. Here's the link: amzn.to/3o2ZTcg

[@amins9240]

@@KissAnalog I think 100khz? You certainly100mhz

[@KissAnalog]

This one is 100MHz and a great scope at a great price: amzn.to/47fIEEV

[@globalteamwork4light]

thanks for a nice review. as to best in class? micsig 8 bit resolution, owon 14 bit resolution.

[@KissAnalog]

Thank you! Yes the Owon is a great contender. It also has the battery option, but It might be in a little higher price range with the battery and 14 bit resolution options. The firmware is not as polished as the Micsig either. I do like the Owon and the fantastic 14 bits!!! Here's a link to my video on it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZO8dKF5fqaJgas

[@globalteamwork4light]

@@KissAnalog thanx. will see the video mentioned👍

[@KissAnalog]

thanks

[@bobdoritique7347]

Merci for this video.😊

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks so much!

[@springmint3810]

KA has a FLIR DMM in his comments. I had a nice FLIR clamp-on with Bluetooth, 6AAA batteries, and a leaky battery ruined it CM55??). Then I got the non-Bluetooth version off of fleabay, put Panasonic Eneloop re-chargeable batteries in it, and no dice, not enough voltage, the meter thinks the batteries are no good and shuts down.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for your feedback! Great information! I think FLIR sells a rechargeable battery;)

[@deviantmultimedia9497]

Well done, sir. You have a lot of cool scopes. Can I have one?

[@KissAnalog]

LOL thanks for your feedback! I think I might have one or two to give away - when I make 100k subs;) But I also think I'll sell my Micsig that I just replaced;)

[@jstro-hobbytech]

I want to buy some better probes but I don't even know where to start because of the wildly varying prices.

[@andymouse]

What's wrong with the ones you have ? establishing this would help enormously.

[@jstro-hobbytech]

@@andymousedifferent types rather like current probes, differential, better quality ones. I have a keysight probe that is much better than my old tektronix ones or my siglent ones. There's more fittings for the end. Is that satisfactory my friend. Haha Thanks for that correction as I am a bone head most times

[@jstro-hobbytech]

@@andymouse if you've read my comments before I'm sure you've noticed there is something off with me. You'd be right in that assumption.

[@andymouse]

@@jstro-hobbytech Lol !

[@KissAnalog]

Joey - you must be looking into the future! I bought several brands of probes to review. I just need to find the time to do the video;)

[@petrikko]

Hello. Great channel and a lot of information. Thanks on behalf of all subscribers. A question and a request, could you take a look and review the TAO3102 Oscilloscope? I will be grateful :-) Regards

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks so much! I appreciate you! I'll see if I can get one;)

[@RokKovacic70]

Just looking at the background of your videos, makes it clear you never actually use any of these gear for real life work. So, yes bad vibes, and alot of clout...

[@KissAnalog]

Well it sounds like you haven't seen many of my videos or you would know how wrong you are. Of course I don't use this on my day job as I use scopes that cost $20k or more, but that's only because they spend more than they need to and have the budget. When I worked for the start-up, I actually took my equipment to the lab as it was for superior to what they had purchased. This review is meant to show how awesome this scope is and what you can get for reasonable costs - not what defense contractors spend for their over inflated budgets. Sorry that the review wasn't good enough for you to see this value.

[@stevenbliss989]

NIce scope, and the DEEP memory is great! Love the battery use, but not a fan of touch screens. The Rigol has DEEP memory, but it can bit a bit tedious to use.

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks Steven! I wasn't a fan of touch screen when I was using the tek at work (a scope that cost around $25k), but the Micsig seems to have won me over;)

[@pbl57lsu]

ive been looking hard at the sato1004 and this model. the only differences i can find are the bandwidth filters and i assume the sato has the same software with additions for automotive testing?

[@KissAnalog]

These are really nice scopes. I'm going to sell my model that I bought before this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKWopWuQmJ2ijKM

[@pbl57lsu]

My only issue with these is the cat ratings. Diff. Probes and attentuators increases the price anyway. They are impressive scopes

[@KissAnalog]

Most scopes have the same CAT II rating. The probes make the difference.

[@pbl57lsu]

@@KissAnalog I do like the scope, its very buggy with saving features and wifi will not work, so remote use without hardwiring is a no go. It really needs software support updates