Kit Carson vs Goliath: Battle of the Mountain Men

What happens when a young Kit Carson faces off against a mountain of a man at the annual trapper’s rendezvous? What IS a rendezvous? And who gets the girl??? #history #wildwest #western
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[@josephbrown4768]

"The bump n' grind. The funky monkey." You had to go there Josh. 😂 Great episode.

[@swhip897]

Of course he did. 🙂

[@stewartdalton3298]

If I ever had the chance to travel to America then the sole purpose of the trip would be to track down Mr Wild West Extravaganza and shake his hand. The whole presentation along with the delivery of the story is unique but pretty much spot on, in my opinion. Education with attitude. Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺👍😎

[@mrbill_oh_no]

Hell yeah! Just got off work. 20 minute drive! Perfect! Thanks Josh and tell your fam we love your podcast!

[@pussycat6995]

Great job with the storytelling here. Your narrations take us right there! Thanks for the upload.❤

[@johnnieplageman9145]

Good morning and thank you sir!

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thank you

[@jameswilliams3241]

I actually first read about this story 60 years ago ,it was depicted in an issue of Classic Comics Illustrated about Kit Carson.

[@johnnieplageman9145]

Is it just my perception, or do all of these episodes get better and better the more one listens to them? Excellent job as usual sir!

[@shanehutchison6791]

You are correct Sir...they get better and better! 🇨🇦

[@donc9751]

I agree! Each is better than the last! All are great!

[@raymondpilarczyk2773]

Sincerely Josh, this is the best podcast on KZbin. Fluid expression of history, none of that PC bullshit but low and behold it then comes across as more respectable to all those involved. Your character is unique as is the history of the West, the origins of our mythology as the Greeks are to Europe

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

I don't know about all that but thank you!

[@raymondpilarczyk2773]

@@WildWestExtravaganza Good lord son, stop being all humble like Kit Carson... it's all that

[@HannahRoot55]

@@raymondpilarczyk2773 Ray 😮

[@donc9751]

I agree 💯 % !!!

[@donc9751]

@raymondpilarczyk2773 Well said, and you hit the nail on the head!! He is too modest and he is all that! Best delivery on the internet to me as I just really like his style, sense of humor and his ability to really pull me into the story.

[@deeparks3112]

I once lived in Westport, Missouri; across the street lived a man by the name of Denver Sublette. Mr. Sublette was one hell of a hunter and fisherman. He was also the direct descendant of frontiersman, trapper, fur trader, explorer, and mountain man William Sublette, co-owner of Rocky Mountain Fur Company.

[@davemccormickmusic]

my personal favorite period of history too bro....great job as always josh!

[@HannahRoot55]

Oops 😬

[@jameswilliams3241]

Don't forget about the trouble almost everyone had with the grizz.

[@aaronhannah4486]

Excellent as always. I never miss an episode.

[@Floridaboi-Woody]

Great story. I have read this tale before but definitely enjoyed hearing it again. And it's twice the tale because it's true. Thanks

[@shanehutchison6791]

Yep, Josh spins a great tale, that's for sure. 🇨🇦

[@dennistate5953]

Josh you is da man! Tell on, man, tell on!

[@plymouthduster225]

Great episode as always Josh. I find these kinds of episodes very interesting as I don't know as much about the years of the West like in Kit Carson's time and the fur trappers era. I was wondering if you might be interested in doing a podcast on Jedadiah Smith someday? He was another hunter/trapper of that era.

[@richardrosenthal9552]

Great episode. I enjoyed it and learned something’s about Kit Carson I was un familiar with. Thanks Josh.

[@AIRRAID2]

When turned down, a man who starts to insult that person is not a man. You're big child.

[@dannysimmons3167]

Just watched a show on him on into the wild frontier. Pretty good series

[@HannahRoot55]

Dan

[@dwigg7700]

French Canadian accent was hilarious!!! Bravo

[@fleedopmogu6169]

Interesting. Kit Carson was a fascinating man. Hero sometimes, scoundrel, murderer and butcher at other times. "Blood and Thunder" is a great recommendation. I'm related to Kit Carson. My Grandmother was Levi Carson's (Kit Carson's brother) daughter. The family didn't really retain any stories about Kit. He left Missouri and they disapproved. The book "Blood and Thunder" says Kit brought his two Indian daughters back to Missouri for the family to raise. The family hasn't retained any stories or tales about that connection. I do have an old photo of Levi Carson and his family with his wife, my grandmother, and also my great uncle. I wish I had some kind of oral tradition handed down to me about family talk regarding Kit Carson, but nothing except the old photo.

[@LaGrandeBayou]

It’s almost impossible to comprehend that your family or an aunt or friend of your grandparents or even a shirt tail cousin who could relate a story. Not even a hat or a letter?? What about his signature? They must have disowned him it sounds like. Here’s a neat story that happened to me. Im originally from Abilene Kansas, but live in New Orleans. Just before hurricane Katrina I had a contract job and my contact person was a guy named William “Bill” Hickok. I only met him once and Katrina destroyed the city but I immediately asked him if he was related to the real McCoy and indeed he was the 5grrat grandson of Wild Bill Hickok. After the hurricane I’m living in Kansas living with relay and attend a Blues Festival in Salina where I meet a man who was also from Abilene and he claims t that at one time he knew a man from Abilene who owned Wild Bills pistols in 1950-60s when he was z kid. Its was a strange set of events to say the least.

[@AIRRAID2]

Yieeaaaah!

[@Zionist_Eternal]

So, Josh... Judging by the dialog, I must assume you really have watched Jeremiah Johnson again recently ?

[@jameswilliams3241]

There's a way to make beaver tail which is quite tasty, which involves wrapping it in something which allows the air to get to it,then putting near a heat source (my grandmother put it behind the oven) after a couple of days; don't know exactly how long, the tail would split when it did that the inside of the tail had the consistency of something like pate' and had a kind of nutty taste. My aunties told me that some folks later tried to modernize the method by using plastic wrap but it caused the innards to putrify and gave folks food poisoning, apparently it needed to be exposed to air. I'll be 71 on Sept 4 so this was a long time ago and I don't know anyone who does it now. If there are I'd like to know.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

That actually sounds pretty good

[@jameswilliams3241]

@@WildWestExtravaganza my sister recently told me that they usually, about the time we ate it, wrapped it up in brown paper grocery sack paper.

[@HannahRoot55]

@@jameswilliams3241 hmm 🤔

[@dubyacwh7978]

Another great story and some information I didn’t know about Kit Carson and by the way your French Canadian accent was hilarious thanks again

[@swhip897]

Don't fight midgets. Good advice. 👍

[@hobbitspot6998]

Very informative presentation. Delivered in your typical humorous style. Is anything known about Carson's daughters. Did they remain with Carson?

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

That's a sad story too.

[@hobbitspot6998]

@@WildWestExtravaganza Please try to have a presentation on the twilight years of these extraordinary people.

[@shaylacour8973]

Always a great story. Thanks J.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thank YOU

[@maineguitarists]

Shay, you have to admit thought there are some pretty big French dudes. When i used to hunt in Northern Maine on Paper company land, i was once privy to a campfire at night surrounded with lumberjacks, all were drinking whiskey, sharpening their chains (most had 3 or 4 husqvarnas,) and none were short or wiry. Most of them reminded me of Paul Bunyan lol. Perhaps since i was younger i thought they were huge. Not a job for a skinny weak person. I was told time was money and to work 8 to 12 hours a day cutting trees, as soon as one chainsaw came loose or ran out of gas, they grabbed another etc. Which is why at night they got them ready for the next day. All of them had French accents and were from Quebec. Never saw a deer that trip. Moose were around and i saw an eagle! MT

[@ragsduds2012]

Good Morning.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Morning

[@Bsim2020]

Another great episode. Thanks!

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thank you

[@ericsimpson1176]

Good epsode,i am currently on bill Williams mountain north central AZ named after a famous mountain man and traper from the haday of the mountain men,,,unfortunately he was killed by indians.

[@HannahRoot55]

Eric

[@godwarrior3403]

Untamed and untouched. Relatable.

[@shanehutchison6791]

A "...real full time night woman". That's hilarious!!! Cheers Josh. 🇨🇦

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Stole that line from Jeremiah Johnson

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

As one who has read a lot of Old West history, I believe I detect some exaggeration in this story. In a way, that is in keeping with the Mountain Man style, which actually has its start among the Voyageurs. I happen to be descended directly from those Quebecois Voyageurs. In fact, one of my distant cousins was Antoine Leroux who was with Kit Carson on the ill-fated Ann White rescue attempt. Regarding this story, I believe the character of Goliath is somewhat mythical. The reason was that Voyageurs, Quebecois trappers, were not giant men. They were typically smaller men. The reason was that a big man displaced cargo capacity in the boats. Hudson Bay Company certainly did not hire big men. They found the wirey, smaller men quite capable. They were more than adequate for the job and consumed less food. They were also noted as braggarts. This was from an old tradition among Celts and Vikings (of which the Quebecois were derived as Normans - Cartier was of Norman derivation)), Telling a grand story around themselves and the challenges they faced was learned by the Mountain Men. (Also interesting is the fact that they taught the Indians about fencing. "Counting Coups" is directly from fencing. French has always been the official language of fencing for historic reasons. A saber cut is a "coup" or a score, in French). The Voyageurs were also noted for their singing culture. They sang as a rowed across Lake Superior, or while running down a river or portaging. As they retired, many took Indian wives and settled in a region in the Old Northwest called Red River. You can read a lot about Voyageurs in a book published in 1955 by Grace Kee Nute, titled "The Voyageur."

[@robertreisner6119]

Thank you for this video, and the very best wishes to you and your wife and your daughter. Take care.

[@ronthompson2421]

Good one Josh. I Found Rosa book a easy read myself? Very well written but not a hard read by any means.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

I'm dim witted, Ron. Everything is a hard read for me.

[@AIRRAID2]

@@WildWestExtravaganza 😄👍

[@ronthompson2421]

@@WildWestExtravaganza LMFAO DIM WITTED MY ASS🙂

[@jacksoncz8536]

I agree most anything is better than fighting for a king.

[@donc9751]

Great stuff! I love the mountain man era , the trappers in early 1800's - 1840's. Added later....after watching another of your videos I ordered Blood and Thunder thru your link and just started reading that and I love this history and even better how you present it! I've read an 8 book series about Titus Bass that you'd linked in another video and I love just how interwoven with real American history at this time Titas Bass's books are!! Great series. Your videos have really helped me pass difficult times easier because I get so drawn into your history podcast that I forget myself!! The battle between Kit Carson and the big French bully was great in the books, and great here t There may not be much better in life than for a bully get his comeuppance!!! I can't think of any lower form of life than bullies. Sorry for adding more Josh, no need to take your time by responding! I can imagine how time consuming your work on this channel must be!!! I just want to say thanks you do a great job!

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Same

[@J.Walker88]

Recently found your channel on accident driving from Low South Oklahoma to the Lake city area. After I found it we listen for about nine hours until we lost service and then 12 hours back. My family and I love it and have shared your channel with a couple friends. Btw, I’d like to hear something about the Marlow brothers they had a cave/ hideout in what s now Red Bud Park in Marlow OK. fairly near me. From what I read it was filled in at one time and years later they were mowing the park that’s now they’re in a tractor fell in, I’ve never seen it only because there’s a building over the entrance now and you have to have make reservations to see it. I don’t remember exact details but I know I read Ethan Edwards (portrayed by John Wayne in The Searchers) was somehow related to the Marlow brothers.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Hey thanks! Sounds like a great trip! I'm not familiar with the Marlow brothers off the top of my head but I'll look into them.

[@anthonyledington3143]

Man I really been enjoying your videos. Thanks b

[@iainmelville9411]

I’ve never herd this story, didn’t really know who who Kid Carlson was ( knew of him, of course ). I loved it ! I learned something, and it was a great story. Thanks Josh.

[@shanehutchison6791]

It's "Kit Carson" Sir. 🇨🇦

[@Carlton_Wilson]

The single meanest, toughest, most dangerous man I've ever known was 5'7" and weighed only 135lbs. Those who underestimated him always regretted it later. Shot in the face in 2003.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Hope he survived

[@Carlton_Wilson]

@@WildWestExtravaganza No such luck. When you're terrifying, people shoot you. He was my best friend and I loved the man like a brother, but he scared the shit out of people. I took a lesson from it. I ain't bulletproof and people who are scared are more likely to shoot me.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Ah that sucks

[@mikedebell2242]

We have an Arroyo crossing here in San Diego at what is now called Penasquitos canyon called Carson's crossing after a defeat by some Mexicans near a reservoir by I 15.

[@HannahRoot55]

DeBall

[@ElMarko6994]

YAAAHHH!!!

[@twanger8237]

Heeyaa👍👍

[@shawnstanton2443]

Love it Kit is in my family tree by marriage His second wife is some cousin Love his story

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Cool!

[@larryhatfield7372]

Theres always a demand for beaver

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Y’all got that right

[@TheMisterspanky]

Yay I just hope there will be Canadians, French and a narrator pushing bad jokes upon us. Otherwise I’m out.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Boy are you in luck

[@shanehutchison6791]

Canadian here, not a French Canadian luckily. 😂🇨🇦

[@Dan-mm1yl]

Love the channel Mr mcbride.......👉

[@HannahRoot55]

Yeppers

[@maddad1539]

Love the content. I've been listening every chance I get. 1000% of $4 is $44 though.

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Thanks! Yeah, I messed that one up

[@tadlovelace6787]

👍

[@SMoore-js6fy]

All good, but what happened to the Carson girls?? The rest of the story please...

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

I have an entire series on Kit Carson on Patreon

[@hernandotorres1234]

Belting intro, I think I'll just listen to those in future then switch off, only joking, great content.

[@charlesb5662]

Hey bro I know you're from Tejas but a thousand percent markup on a $4 gallon of milk would be a $40 gallon of milk not a 4000$ gallon of milk. To further clarify a 100% markup on a $4 gallon of milk would make the milk cost $8 and a 200% markup on the gallon of milk would make the gallon of milk cost $12. Follow the math and you will see a 1000% 1,000% markup on that milk would make it cost $40. Whereas a 1,000 times markup on the milk would make it cost $4,000 ,brah....😁

[@WildWestExtravaganza]

Bro. You're right. I even checked on my calculator. I'm dumb AF!

[@rebcotton3679]

You should check out the book spawn of evil it goes over outlaw from late 1700s up to before the civil war I think you would like it