Toyota Altezza vs Honda Accord - JDM Sedan Faceoff

[@HunterLord458]

I think taking a stock auto Altezza and comparing it to a modded manual Accord Type S is a bit rough. An Altezza with similar mods and a manual would give it a real run.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah I know... just had to take what I could get. When I get my hands on a manual altezza I'll do a rematch

[@HunterLord458]

@@KiwiCarLife looking forward to it!

[@emilio38able]

I agree 100%!! But like the gentleman said he could only find an auto! I have a rs200 manuel with a very few mods, and I know it wouldnt loose that badly 😂 I did race my friends Honda accord EuroR (jdm) also had a K20, and from launch the altezza pulls it all the way, but rolling in 3rd the accord has it

[@KiwiCarLife]

Coz rwd

[@NipponRacer2]

@@KiwiCarLife remacht is a must :-). Here some Infos, about the difference between automatic and manual: Altezza 5AT VEHICLE WEIGHT: 1,330/1360/1380 KG (BASE MODEL/Z EDITION/L EDITION) TURNING RADIUS: 5.1 FUEL CONSUMPTION: 11.0 ENGINE: YAMAHA TUNED 3S-GE BEAMS 16V DUAL VVT-i WATER COOLED INLINE 4 DOHC CAPACITY: 1998cc BORE X STROKE: 86.0 X 86.0 COMPRESSION RATIO: 11.5 MAX. POWER: 147kW 200PS @ 7,000 RPM MAX TORQUE: 216 Nm 22 KGm @ 4,800 RPM FUEL TANK CAPACITY: 60 L GEAR RATIO: 1ST 3.357 2ND 2.180 3RD 1.424 4TH 1.000 5TH 0.753 6TH - REV 3.431 FINAL DRIVE 4.1 ------------------------------------------------------------ Altezza 6MT VEHICLE WEIGHT: 1,340/1360/1370 KG (BASE MODEL/Z EDITION/L EDITION) TURNING RADIUS: 5.1 FUEL CONSUMPTION: 11.4 ENGINE: YAMAHA TUNED 3S-GE BEAMS 16V DUAL VVT-i WATER COOLED INLINE 4 DOHC CAPACITY: 1998cc BORE X STROKE: 86.0 X 86.0 COMPRESSION RATIO: 11.5 MAX. POWER: 154kW 210PS @ 7,600 RPM MAX TORQUE: 216 Nm 22 KGm @ 6,400 RPM FUEL TANK CAPACITY: 60 L GEAR RATIO: 1ST 3.874 2ND 2.175 3RD 1.484 4TH 1.223 5TH 1.000 6TH 0.869 REV 3.672 FINAL DRIVE 4.300

[@nick_cooper]

I own an RS200 manual AND an Accord Type S (albeit a wagon) so have a good comparison of them both. The K24 has better torque from the higher displacement which makes it feel faster on pulls, but the Altezza feels way better high up in the rev range. On track, the Altezza feels really good as you are keeping it high up in the revs, and with its 50/50 weight split it handles incredibly well on corners. But it is a tad too heavy for the engine to be at its best so on the straights it can feel a bit lackluster, especially with the 4.1 final drive from factory. I have not taken the Accord on to the track but from my road experience I don't think it handles as well. As for the interiors, I can't stand the Accord. Not sure if it is on all versions but the climate control, stereo etc are all in a crappy touch screen that is very outdated and not very intuitive. So the Altezza wins it for me inside (also, no double din slot on the Accord). My verdict would be, for cruising around town, going to shops and such, the Accord is more suited. But for the fun of driving and driving hard, Altezza wins by far.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah if you've got an import accord wagon automatic with the henious touch screen I can absolutely understand your point of view about the handling and interior. That said, when comparing a stock rs200 manual with an nz new accord euro manual sedan like mine without the touch screen, I still stand by all my points. The 3sge doesn't sound as good, and makes less torque to the point where it feels slow unless you're screaming at 8k. The k24 is just generally a more refined and more modifyable powerplant. Interior and exterior build quality and styling I think is equally good in both.

[@rishneel92]

I remember when I was driving your Accord, you were saying that you were trying your luck to review 6 speed manual Altezza and I was telling you go easy in the review because it's definitely going to slower then your Accord lol. I guess you couldn't get hold of manual Altezza.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah aye I really wanted a manual one... but alas, had to take what I could get

[@ShuangXiao-u1g]

the manual tezza and auto are totally different animal. The auto engine detuned means manual has more power and titanium valves, torsen limited diff, higher redline and close ratio gear box. Noticeably different when u hands on one

[@nickt3655]

Ya true manual is different vehicle, n is not really fair comparing with euro k24, close ratio gear some more😂

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@nickt3655 yeah I know... when I get a manual altezza to film with I'll remake this video

[@michaelbrown6157]

Hey man, nice video, came across your vid looking for altezza content 😅 If you're keen to do another review on a modified rs200 manual altezza I'm keen to bring it by. I'm close by wellington myself.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Absolutely man! Hit me up on insta @kiwicarlife.yt

[@daddymeeks]

That’s the one bro, link us on the group page when it happens haha

[@mugensamurai]

This is basically the civic type r vs AE86 Initial D battle if the characters had dad bods.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Not sure if that's a compliment or an insult 😂

[@mrwaqy]

Hmmm very interesting. In the UK the Toyota is a Lexus is200, with only 150bhp, we also had the is300 with about 210bhp. Also bruv, when you're a fan of VTEC engines nothing sounds as good lol.

[@gomy95]

3sge beams is the shiz! Can sound harsh tho

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@gomy95 yeah agreed. Great engine, let down by the shrill sound

[@fespii]

Nice comparison man, I was thinking the euro would fair up with the is250 (2005-2012) instead of the 200. Could we possibly see comparison?

[@KiwiCarLife]

If I can find one then maybe

[@fespii]

@@KiwiCarLife when I was getting my first car I was deciding between those two, but of course I picked the Euro 😉

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nice man!

[@solomonerjok1405]

the accord still eats the is250, they're heavy and the v6 is pretty underwhelming

[@ironguy6482]

In an ideal world I'd have the Euro R as a daily and a V8 Altezza as a weekender

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@ironguy6482 that would be absolutely awesome

[@bubblesidfk6318]

for the rematch make sure to get a rolling race between the cl1 and the altezza would make a good example mainly due to them being more similar in power than your modified accord. also to add i just bought a manual altezza 2 weeks ago and i know it doesn't stand a chance against the k24 as my dad owns a accord euro just not enough torque in the 3sge to keep up.

[@KiwiCarLife]

I'd love to but finding rare cars like CL1's and tidy manual altezzas isn't easy!

[@edmund111]

Love the vid, thanks for doing this comparison was looking forward to it! Could you do a comparison on a Nissan skyline 350gt?

[@KiwiCarLife]

If I can find one then maybe

[@balancemode4112]

hey kiwi does the automatic RS200z Altezza come with paddle shifter that you can change gear via steering ?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes, but they're pretty average because they don't actually select gears, only set the maximum gear

[@DarthRevan12]

Honda Accord 2.4 vs Toyota Corolla IX 1.8 T-Sport. Which faster, which better sound, what about interior quality or reliability?

[@DarthRevan12]

That 8.3k redline is a screamer... thats the only thing thats making me doubt my accord fanaticism

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@DarthRevan12 Accord better on every level. Faster, better interior, equally as reliable. Sound is debatable... personally I just think toyota's high revving 4's sound really harsh, whereas the Hondas just have this much more sonorous noise. That said, having a supercharger on the T-Sport would add to the experience for sure

[@darrencarney7380]

Hey mate love the video, can you tell us what’s the difference between your Euro typeS and the jdm typeS?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Mine has the k24a3 and the type s has k24a2

[@RealLeskot]

@@KiwiCarLife Correct me if i´m wrong, but K24a3 and k24a2 are pretty much the same engine, aren´t they? I have been to some honda forums and it seems that the main difference is the intake and accessories.

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@RealLeskot yeah they're basically the same. Most a2's have eps tho and I believe they have a bigger intake cam on facelift models

[@dst8636]

Back than when I was looking to buy my first car my options were: Honda Accord Cl9 (which I eventually chose and still drive), Lexus IS 200, Mitsubishi Galant, with the 2.4l engine or the 2.5 V6, Subaru Impreza Blobeye or Hawkeye without a Turbo because of cost. All cars as a sedan. Maybe you can compare the Galant and Impreza to the Accord in the future. I would be interested :) And like always, great content 👍🏼

[@KiwiCarLife]

Cheers and yeah if I can find one I will

[@265justy]

How about a Mazda 6 MPS..

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@265justy as soon as he mentions cost, the mps is out of the question. They are triple the price of these cars

[@dst8636]

@@KiwiCarLife Your complety right, I really like the Mazda mps 6 too, but it costs more, and I heard it's not so reliable (not sure)

[@265justy]

@@dst8636 They are actually very reliable. Probably far more reliable than an Evo or WRX to be fair. Only very poor maintaining and neglect will obviously leed to proplems. The Mazda 3 MPS carried over that engine( MZR L3 DVT) so the engine had a production run off over 10 years and today's Ford Eco Boost 2.3 found in the Focus RS and Mustang is a spin off reproduced version off it..

[@The_Noticer.]

Man that gap during the rolling race. The majority of that difference has to be solely down to the short-ratio gearbox. He could've had 50KW more, and he still would've been gapped. Can't wait to pick up my CM2 and start modding it. Doing chassis refresh, brakes, tires and gearbox first. Engine last. The H5 (5AT) box in the Accord is absolutely atrocious. Glad to be rid of the CU1 in that regard. A shame though, I love everything else about the car, but that drivetrain man...

[@KiwiCarLife]

Ehh... auto vs manual is probably the biggest difference... the ratios don't add any power so once you're up to speed the difference is negligible

[@amg190e5]

｢This car is much better quality of body rigidity and handling car than Audi S4 and Volvo S60R｣ I saw brilliant article about this CL9 Honda ACCORD TYPE S 16inch wheel Europe spec. Maybe suspension setup is same as an Euro sport. It's written by Autocar magazine in around 2004. This is true. 👏

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes

[@danbyn9335]

Hey man, really loving your vids and your accord, what a monster. Keen to have a cruise with my CL7 Euro R if you ever come up to Auckland. Do you have any plans of going K20 head with a K24 block and get the best of both worlds?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Glad you're enjoying the videos, and nah I'm happy with it

[@johntobin3673]

It already has the fast flowing head

[@markmcgrath9098]

So, the ultimate conclusion here is that k24 swapped Altezza would be a great fun car. K24>3S-GE RWD>FWD MAN>Auto

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah pretty much haha

[@Blarg217]

Shame it wasn't a better example in the manual trim

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah... I'll remake this vid when I get a manual one

[@PlasticBag4Status]

I’m in US, so here the comparison is IS300 vs Acura TSX. Own the IS currently and had TSX before this. As decent as TSX was, I don’t miss it one bit. In stock, it’s bland interior and exterior styling, like a rental fleet car. Seats that are too hard for long drives. Tin can sound when closing the door. Shit audio system. With body kit and different wheels, sure, TSX looks cool. IS, though has character without any styling mods and being RWD it’s more fun on the corners. On the flip side, you can get a little more out of TSX with bolt ons and a ECU reflash, while the IS is firmly boost-or-swap-or-leave-it-alone.

[@KiwiCarLife]

In appearance yes, practically no. The altezza is totally different to the IS300 in terms of character and in every conceivable way the Accord (whether euro r or type s with light modifications is better) unless you really want RWD. Altezza is long geared, severely lacking in torque and the interior falls to bits after a few years, the Hondas hold up a lot better and with limited modifications run rings around the IS/altezza on the road and on track

[@PlasticBag4Status]

@@KiwiCarLife Fair enough. The Euro Accord R does look like a fun car. Hope to experience it first hand someday.

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@PlasticBag4Status yeah really good man, I’ve got a new Euro R vs manual Altezza video out, search it up

[@nathanknight8022]

Where did you get your front splitter for the accord mate?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Flow designs

[@garthheenan4222]

Sick vid! Don't they make altezza's in a manual v6?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah 2.0L or 3.0L I6

[@Born2Punch]

get a hold of an xr6 n/a compare it with the accord

[@KiwiCarLife]

Bother we just traded one at work but I didn't think it would make for a great comparison... not really competing cars

[@YourBoyDeezo]

What exactly makes your accord euro a type S?

[@undercoverlord]

The badge, the engine, modulo facelift body kit, some other factory bits and bobs

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@undercoverlord yeah

[@ayushmechanic3545]

Mate it’s time race me in my primary 5 speed manual

[@KiwiCarLife]

My accord is too fast

[@hondamanvtec2894]

Primary ?

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@hondamanvtec2894 primera - i know this guy haha

[@TheIrishRossonero]

But the Accord is modified, you said it yourself. The Euro R isnt stock and the Altezza is an Automatic. Manual Altezzas are so much better as a manual. I own an S2k and i once drove an Altezza and it was one of the nicest cars ive ever driven. I dont think this video a fair comparison :/

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes but it doesn't matter

[@tantofumo5527]

That was obvious from the start If possible, do a Lexus IS250 vs Accord which is more balanced and despite the accord being older it quite holds its own against the Lexus

[@KiwiCarLife]

If I can find one then maybe

[@steves4164]

How is this a fair comparison when the Altezza is auto? The manual Altezza came with some high performance internal parts and put out more power. Your Accord has clearly got a Hondata tune to engage VTEC at a lower rpm. Compare a modded manual Altezza with your modded Euro and that is a fair comparison.

[@KiwiCarLife]

I just had to take what I could get mate. Are you going to find me a manual altezza mad a stock manual accord?

[@steves4164]

@@KiwiCarLife What sort of a question is that lol. Your channel mate your choice on the content and people’s opinions on what you compare, many others have stated the same I guess you’re sick of it. If you had some initiative and a good relationship with an importer there you could find one to make a fair comparison yourself 👍🏻

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@steves4164 You tell me! You posed the problem, I posed the solution. In the future I will try to get my hands on a manual altezza. However I rely on the generosity of viewers, so it'll only be a waiting game until someone lets me film with theirs. I figured given people often compare the Altezza and Accord euro, it was worth putting a video out regardless

[@steves4164]

@@KiwiCarLife Asking someone who makes a comment that you don't actually acknowledge as being correct, but simply make excuses and then ask them to provide a substitute vehicle to aid your channel isn't a solution. Good luck with waiting on generosity of viewers rather than being creative and thinking of ways to compare similar spec cars.

[@butterz3488]

Hey! my CL1 is stock and pulls from Altezzas all day! =P

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah I'm sure it does haha - bit more power from stock

[@legacylife2530]

You didn’t even put the altezza in its sports mode..you’re clearly biased and with the 6spd manual version it’ll be a completely different story..and the beams engine has endless possibilities for mods I mean everyone turbos them and is one of the top engines to transplant for all kinds of motorsports but not the Hondas lol wonder why..everything apart from dash of the altezza is far better especially handling wise..you know how to drives mums old Honda but have no clue how to drive an altezza properly..at least come with facts not feelings

[@KiwiCarLife]

Absolutely I had it in sports mode are you blind? You can literally see the button pressed in every shot. The beams makes less power and a lot less torque than the k20a, and it objectively doesn't sound at good either. It sounds harsh, raspy and dull. It's a good engine, but it's overshadowed by Hondas offerings in every objective measure... Maybe that explains why the K swap is one of the most common engine swaps in the world. In NZ there are a few 3S engines in kit cars coz they need a rwd layout, but people put k engines into everything because they make way more power and are a lot easier to come by. 3S swaps worldwide are by comparison very rare. The Altezza has the advantage of being rwd, and with the 6 speed it'll be a great car I'm sure. But it lacks torque, sound and steering feel. Watch best motoring and even the CL1 Euro R humbles the Altezza, let alone the CL7 or a modified CL9. In terms of handling and straight line speed, I would be most confident my accord could beat any mildly modified 6 speed altezza on track and in a straight line. It's not feelings, it is fact. I bet you haven't even driven "mum's old Honda" so you're just as biased as you claim I am.

[@legacylife2530]

@@KiwiCarLife you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about..you’ve got a close idea but no real idea..one quick google search will show you that from Japan motor sport to American motor sport man even African motor sport have a massive following for the 3SGE and there’s a massive difference between a re top and a black top or even pre Yamaha ie before all the head work..Hondas don’t sound they sound cheap and tinny the beams sounds near on the same..so overall you’re judging a factory auto vs a modded manual and came up with this video what an absolute wannabe..hahaha in a straight line because you can’t drive like you think you can…go watch the Japanese masters race a factory type r integra vs a factory 4dr altezza when they were both new and the type r couldn’t even keep up with the red top version yeah off the line the Honda had a minor lead but when actual driving comes into play there’s a reason basically every race car is rwd..next you’ll be showing us how your Honda can beat a automatic non turbo wrx..I wanted to support you because you’re a kiwi but now I just want humble you irl…”the k swap is the most common engine swap in the world” I just googled and k swap isn’t even in the top 10 mr know it all the b series seems to be far superior when it comes to performance..small block Chevy is #1 actually buddy but nah nah you know what you’re talking about..you couldn’t even drive the auto properly yet claims to know facts that have all be proven wrong

[@KiwiCarLife]

Bro I literally did a search for "common engine swaps" and either the B series or K series came up in every article and the 3S-GE came up in none. Hardly anyone uses this engine outside of it's original offerings because it's significantly overshadowed by Honda. Coming out here and admitting that you just want to "humble me" shows you have no real intent on looking at a situation holistically, and you just want to be another awful person on the internet. Why don't you go make a video showing everyone "how to drive an auto properly" and watch it get 30 views before coming on here telling me how to drive. I would be more than happy to race a modified 6 speed Altezza. And I have every confidence he wouldn't stand a chance.

[@shakimbreen4870]

Honestly the honda is impressive but i prefer rwd it is more fun and I prefer the look of the altezza

[@KiwiCarLife]

Fair enough, I'll stick with the Honda

[@legacylife2530]

Chur from the South bro

[@KiwiCarLife]

Chur

[@NZbmxer0]

Do mazda sp20

[@KiwiCarLife]

Maybe

[@titanace3981]

07:08 YESSS yes it is :D heheheheh what a reaction

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha

[@titanace3981]

@@KiwiCarLife one thing i wanted to ask The mods you did in your cl9 last year i guess Has there any side effects of that specially the ecu flash on your fuel pump? Effects drastic or little ones !

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@titanace3981 nah honestly since I finished the gearbox I just drove it day in day out. Never missed a beat. Awesome car

[@titanace3981]

Oh really , thats great Thanks so much for the feedback Lov3 to watch ur videos specially on accord / acura

[@m5_sheep510]

Ah okay, I didn’t know the is200 had another version

[@KiwiCarLife]

Well there ya go

[@meiji9720]

It’s time to settle thing and race a Mazda 3 lol

[@KiwiCarLife]

I'd smash a standard Mazda 3, mazdaspeed might be a little more of a challenge... depends on the driver

[@calebgalvin480]

Hey that's my altezza churrr

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha yeah I've heard it's gone through a few owners lol

[@calebgalvin480]

@@KiwiCarLife yea mine for good tho did the hood strut work back then?

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@calebgalvin480 nah don't think so haha

[@kasundassanayake1]

Lol mate try your accord with a 6 speed manual altezza , why you even compare a automatic altezza with a manual accord lol. Well bring on a rematch 6speed manual altezza.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Know anyone with one?

[@kasundassanayake1]

@@KiwiCarLife got my turbo one haha

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@kasundassanayake1 that would be cool haha - you in Wellington?

[@coopsnz1]

01 rs200 z edition bid 930000yen with 1 Million km

[@KiwiCarLife]

Wow that's nuts haha

[@jacobbarrett7307]

Driven heaps of them can't even hook 2nd whilst doing a burnout lol

[@KiwiCarLife]

Oh really?

[@jacobbarrett7307]

@@KiwiCarLife if they had a better gearset they'd be mean I reckon

[@passion4how]

you are so based towards your car man, try compare cars you don't own

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah I know, I like my car

[@justiceleague516]

comparing a 1998 automatic to a 2006 moded manual. great! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah I later compared it with a manual one. I just took what cars I could get

[@m.b.82]

Rs200 manual shits on an accord.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Have you driven a modified accord?

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@m.b.82 At least you're honest haha! Reflash came from a guy here in NZ, not sure where to get one where you are, tein are good, and yeah altezzas are great cars. Yet to drive a manual one, but the k24 objectively is a better engine than the 3s. More modification potential, more torque and power in the long run, better sound imo, more displacement

[@nathanielgeorge7054]

soo uh you still want your legana bumper on your altezza🤣🤣🤣

[@KiwiCarLife]

Why? Do you want it?

[@nathanielgeorge7054]

@@KiwiCarLife when i got money hell yeah🤣🤣🤣

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@nathanielgeorge7054 oh lol it's not even my car haha you'll have to ask the owner

[@nathanielgeorge7054]

@@KiwiCarLife all right whos the owner🤣🤣

[@alexanchoo]

Нашел с чем сравнить, пацталом. Разная начинка моторов. У МТ-кованина, мозг по другому настроен, крутит больше, сил больше. Альтеза рс 200 МТ с парой 4.3, с говном смешает этот гейский аппарат

[@KiwiCarLife]

Скоро буду снимать матч-реванш между этими машинами. Ручная altezza vs ручная accord.

[@bcc9853]

…..yes….yes it is. Lol 🤣

[@KiwiCarLife]

Hah

[@265justy]

Mazda 6 MPS would hammer the crap outa both off these overrated things. Much nicer looking, more powerful, better handling and in the same size bracket as these 2 and from the same country and the same era.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes? The e90 M3 is better than these too! What a surprise... A Mazda 6 mps competes with euro r, legnum gt4, legacy sti, 335i, Audi S4... The accord and altezza are Mazda 6 2.3L n/a, legacy 2.5, 325i Audi A4 2.0T competitors. Not in the same league at all

[@265justy]

@@KiwiCarLife In which case.. I'd still take the Mazda... Turbo or no turbo..! If I'm honest. My 2.2 diesel 185 HP can pull away from an Altezza Beams.. I dont need 260 HP to do it... 185 HP and good torque will do the job..Dont get me wrong. The Altezza and Accord are good cars.... But Mazda 6 is better in my opinion..

[@christopherjohnston6343]

@@265justy the Mazda engine is thirsty. Sure they handle well stock and feel sharp but you're looking at like 11L/100kms for an auto M6 vs about 8. 4L/100 for an auto accord. May not be the biggest consideration for you but I find it annoying when a car is thirsty without actually offering the x performance to justify the increased running costs.

[@265justy]

@@christopherjohnston6343 Most cars with a Turbo are thirsty. You ether have economy or performance.... Can't have both.. If that's the case buy a high powered diesel..

[@christopherjohnston6343]

@@265justy I was comparing like for like. Mazda 6 2.3 vs Accord Euro 2.4 - as my dad has owned both. The MPS is certainly an awesome car but its another level up for sure