'Justice': Judge orders removal of 8,400 acre wind farm on Osage reservation

[@bryanterry6387]

This wind farm company will just file bankruptcy and walk off and leave it

[@katiesioux7757]

Possibly like the abandoned oil rigs across the plains

[@jackhighdale6857]

Yep!

[@carlhicksjr8401]

At that point, the Osage can file suit to take up ownership of the wind farm and draw on the revenues of the power generated. Net win for them in the end. And it beats Hell out of yet another frikkin' Indian casino.

[@davecooper3238]

@@katiesioux7757Same goes for many coal mines. Leaving pollution & people with black lung unsupported.

[@DIDYOUSEETHAT172]

Excellent! Like the other dude or dudette said, the Osage could take ownership, win win. But no. Do you think this is their only wind farm? Enel Green Power is a huge corporation, they have others scattered over the countryside in the USA, Canada, Asia, and Australia.

[@28704joe]

Big winners are the attorneys.

[@JamesKiraly-oz1nc]

Always are, biggest thieves right after government. After 4 decades so tired of the Texas Hammer ads, Nauseating.

[@JohnnyAngel8]

I dislike anti-government rhetoric. It's usually simplistic and untrue. ​@JamesKiraly-oz1nc

[@jackhighdale6857]

@@28704joe Win, lose or draw. They always get paid!

[@robajohnson]

ALWAYS!

[@luisvelez-s1j]

@@JohnnyAngel8 The Government is corrupt in red states

[@2olvets443]

Big companies need to know they can not push people around to get “their” way!

[@greghelton4668]

But they do all the time because of the greedy a-holes who run them.

[@hermesmcclintok]

The federal government gave them almost the entire the state of Oklahoma. I think they're doing fine. State of Oklahoma is no longer United States property. Did you know they did that?

[@2olvets443]

@@hermesmcclintok You have no idea what you're talking about! They did not give them total control of those lands. They gave them control of law when it pertains to their people. And yes I did know they did what they did but you listened to media that also lied on the actual facts of what the supreme court ruling said and did.

[@soonerfrac4611]

The land owners gave them permission and were paid handsomely.

[@2olvets443]

@@hermesmcclintok not true! Federal Court gave them policing of their own people and that is all. They did not give them the land already owned by non tribal people, nor did they give them county, town, or city’s nor the jurisdiction of other than tribal persons

[@paullopez6620]

The company is STILL being disrespectful of the reservation. Just wondering exactly how difficult it would have been to get a permit from the reservation.

[@rickyodom1201]

yes they should have pay for land

[@notslickgaming]

They paid for the lease. ​@@rickyodom1201

[@DarrenCarlyle-u1f]

Hey, how about sticking up for all Canadians not just Indians land???

[@nodata4662]

@@DarrenCarlyle-u1f the canadians who stole Indian lands? No thanks. Read the room

[@OrangeAveng3r]

@@nodata4662 What does mining rights have to do with wind?

[@idiotsavant7276]

Meanwhile, it Massachusetts- they just stuck them out in the water where nobody has land rights and completely ruined our whole fishing grounds. They tried to test run one of these new units and the blade exploded. We had tractor trailer loads of fiberglass and foam wash up on the beaches. This green energy stuff is wacky. We have 400ft turbines with 150 gallons of lubrication oil in each unit off our shore in a hurricane zone. Same with the solar farms, hundreds of acres of forest clear cut to install solar. How is this green renewable energy if you destroy the land and water to do it?

[@markusstevens9547]

But, you can't argue with wind lease holders, the urban elite, the climate change alarmists, investors and wind energy companies because they all have their fingers in the money pie and Lord knows money trumps all.

[@oldjarhead386]

When I worked in the federal government I was on a fringe of a study looking at putting windmills off the Virginia shore. The environmental impact was expected to be disastrous to local marine life. Supposedly the harmonic vibrations and random acoustic noise introduced into the water would run off most marine life in self protection.

[@paula.k.a.headhog4219]

When the loonie left says it’s green and good for the environment, they must be right.

[@paulendres2757]

There in the Ocean off the Coast of Virginia Too !!

[@kenneycooper6199]

It’s the crazy democrats who started this nonsense.

[@Aaron-SQRT]

See Steve Letho’s video, “Wind Turbines Built w/o Permits Ordered Torn Down at a Cost of $300M”. Enel DID lease the land (surface rights). They did not lease the mineral rights from Osage Nation. Therefore, ON sued. IANAL, but ON’s case is based on the rocks that were excavated from the 10ft/3m (depth of a basement) hole for the foundation. Enel reused the rock around the foundation and/or in the concrete for the foundation. Both sides agreed to disagree. ON now no longer wants to lease the land to them and asked for the wind farm to be removed. The Judge has agreed. Rough order of magnitude: Enel used around $8 million in rocks from the land. Additional ROM, the farm makes $125+ million in electrical per year (but that is just sales and not profit).

[@XIII-Stripes]

any courtesies shown during installation, will not ne shown for the removal....there will be more damage to come

[@linear7d]

Thank you for explaining everything. I knew I was missing something, now it makes more sense.

[@Johnfisher12345]

The idea that mineral or water rights are somehow distinct concepts relative to ownership of the land is insane. This should be a non-issue that should have instantly been dismissed out of court, but we live in a clown country with clown laws, so we get clown rulings like this.

[@reubensandwich9249]

Months ago I read the court paper from it. It just seemed the turbine company screwed up and thought the excavated material was considered wasted and reused yet didn't realize the mineral rights of reservations were different. If they had piled the rock next to the turbines, there'd be no case. ON can now legally extort the energy company because they were entitled to the mineral rights and they want the foundations gone.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Completely ridiculous.

[@allengose5438]

According to the gentleman speaking 0:58 they did not get a lease or proper lease and permitting, surface damages occured along with the mining of rock substrate for construction purposes, now many of you may not realize but rock is mined for many purposes such as building roads, homes, dams, landscaping and making concrete just to name a few and its not free, try going to your local home improvement center to pick up a free bag of rock for your landscaping, no they dont have any free rock

[@katiesioux7757]

They also have regulations about using creek or river rock in many towns or cities

[@jmartin3955]

The rock was the minerals in question.

[@michaelpowell7120]

Can you smokem' Free Rock?

[@johnwattdotca]

Here in the Niagara Peninsula finding rocks out there in the country stopped over thirty years ago, no more sitting around. Farmers with fruit stands began selling rocks.

[@GKelley-gn1ul]

i get free rock on my sons corn field

[@towdoctor670]

$300,000 AINT shit. It would cost that much to dig one hole if it was he government.

[@christurner2140]

Are you forgetting this one? The Noe Valley public toilet is a public toilet in the San Francisco neighborhood Noe Valley. The toilet's original proposed cost of $1.7 million inspired media coverage and criticism of the San Francisco government. Bureaucracy at it's finest!!

[@TaterFarm]

Thank God you won your argument!

[@Hazendal777]

😅😅😅😅

[@CatLover-g7j]

IT'S THEIR LAND....RESPECT IT!!!❤

[@gracebonez]

YOU'RE SUCH A GOOD PERSON!!!

[@Democratsmakemegohuh]

Someone needs to tell Pocahontas she's not Indian and there's no such thing as a native American

[@markusstevens9547]

The people commenting on this page in favor of the land owners and against the judge and the tribe are more than likely wind lease owners themselves or related to wind lease holders who have their fingers in the money pie. You can discount their obvious biased comments. They think wind turbines built in the MidWest will clean the oceans and decompose plastics and enable the Detroit Lions to win a Super Bowl.

[@Linda-u5x]

What do you mean? you are living on their land, all of it. Americans are not indigenous, your invaders.😂

[@hmsp77]

Why? Just watch Tulsa King. The Indian factions within the Nation will try to cut some deals with the criminal gangs.

[@ALMT1621]

Awesome!!! So happy to hear this!!!

[@ObiKesnowbi]

The principal of things! Regardless of who's right or wrong. I'm happy to see them standing up to the man!

[@jamesbrischke4815]

"Standing up to the man"? You sound like some old burned out hippie!

[@ObiKesnowbi]

@jamesbrischke4815 old burned out hippie vet yeah

[@kevinwest3689]

Something missing in this story. 1. Someone came on your property and just started building? 2. You don't mind them being there...but they didn't get a permit? 3. How do you build something like that without a permanent? 4. Did they all pop up overnight? 5. What amount of revenue are you receiving for this being on your land, And why was that part left out of the story? I'm not on a side. I'm just saying, 2+2=4 Every time. So I'm a little confused.

[@cathiwim]

Good job, judge! It’s the Osages they should be justly compensated!

[@DarrenCarlyle-u1f]

Wrong. All citizens should be compensated not just the racist Indians!

[@CaptMortifyd]

@@DarrenCarlyle-u1f It's their land. You don't have any right to it.

[@zamar2158]

They probably were. You cannot construct on a reservation without signed documents. There may even have been an IBA - impact benefit agreement so that a share of the profit goes to the nation. Maybe their council signed without a referendum, so many on reserve objected. There will be gain for the reserve. The flip side is that companies may not want to do business with indigenous peoples for the reason a fully functioning project is pulled. That's not good - doesn't help participation in the general economy.

[@chriskl2361]

@@CaptMortifyd It's not their land they only have mineral rights. They likely sold the land in the past.

[@bay2michael]

if they are fucking stupid enough to lease the land for a wind farm and not think there would be any digging involved then they deserve to have their land taken away from them, once again. 🙄

[@ElwynPhillips]

Wow get rid of the rest while you’re at it.

[@deemitchell4603]

An absolutely wild story! I'm betting their fight is far from over. It takes years of BS to find finality in our court system. I hope I learn how it turns out and I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that the current ruling holds up at the end.

[@michaelpowell7120]

you'll be dead b then

[@GardensoftheAncientsHerbal]

Appeals are usually much faster than the trial

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

The court case has rocked on for about a decade. Unless the company can file bankruptcy or something, it should be a matter of the cleanup being handled.

[@andrewday3206]

Let’s pray 🙏 this ignorant ruling gets overturned. There were no minerals mines and clean energy is needed.

[@bulletbullet7902]

@@andrewday3206 Agreed. They leased the land, meaning they should have been afforded the right to do what they saw fit(except mining of course) within legal boundaries.

[@charliefoxtrot7219]

Good win for our Native Peoples.

[@Michael-hb4wc]

One of the few, sadly. Merry Christmas!

[@kvm1992]

What native peoples? All Americans is native to their homeland. There shouldn't be any reservations because that's segregation. There are those amongst us still trying to keep racism relevant. We are all Americans, Just a melting pot of culture. There's nothing wrong with wanting to increase energy output on land not fully utilized. There's nothing natural about hoarding land since the land we all walk on is the land of requirement. Everyone is drawn here because that's what the land does but no group of people originated here.

[@guineapigzed]

@@kvm1992bingo This post will soon be deleted by KZbin censors.

[@matthewgibbs6886]

not native just the first to immigrate here,.

[@bigal5323]

Just how did you win? I'm native also. Now the tribe gets no income, and is stuck with removing worthless wind turbines! They would have been far better off negotiating a monthly rental of the ground based on a % of monthly electric profits.. 😢

[@trentgay3437]

You didn't grease the right "wheel" they wanted thier "fees" like any government.

[@williamsporing1500]

A wind turbine will never recover the energy it took to make it. Follow the money….

[@lynnjr457]

Exactly.

[@trentgay3437]

Then why is there an industry making money off of the sales of electricity from them? It takes 5-6 years of the 30 yr lifespan, to get back into profit. Not a bad return on investment. Rentals usually take 10-20 years to fully payback the investment.

[@waynepauli2284]

Works great in Canada, so it's true Americans are all stupid.

[@KM-zu9we]

@@trentgay3437well one thing is they charge more per kw hour and certain people will buy it thinking they are getting “green” energy. However once electricity gets into the grid there is NO way to determine what electricity is green and what isn’t. The companies get tons of tax breaks while the people whose land the turbines sit on don’t see any tax breaks. IF they become profitable in the time frame you suggest it’s only because it’s at the expense of everyone else.

[@trentgay3437]

@KM-zu9we yeah capitalism, So what's your point?

[@suebennett9347]

Good I'm glad you stood your ground❤

[@syveenwolf]

Im a bit confused here. So they agreed to let the wind turbines be built. But didn't allow them to dig foundations ?? That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard.

[@BillyTurner-vb3hf]

If windmills and solar are so good why are electric bills still going up

[@greenspiritarts]

Private equity and/or international owners who are beholding to their shareholders to make PROFIT not to their customers who need the service is why energy prices are skyrocketing. PUBLIC cooperatively owned utilities are how we get out of this. Do not blame the technology, blame the giant corporations.

[@jeribear880]

They aren’t It’s a giant Ripoff!

[@ram64man]

Because you pay more for electric and pay to stop it when not needed

[@AmNesia-r5h]

@@ram64man stroke?

[@jamesOneil-mg3bq]

Same reason they have rolling blackouts in California even though it's been mandated that every new dwelling is required to install solar for over a decade. Same reason construction materials have increased 300% over the last 4 years. I could keep going.

[@BeverlyRibaudo-n6j]

I have a serious question. When cell phone towers, tv and radio towers are put up all over Oklahoma and I am sure in Osage County, when these companies dig up the land to install these towers is that mining?

[@tomnguyen9931]

They want a permit for every bit of data flying over their land.

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

Every single oil well operation requires A LOT of mineral rights work and it costs money to get it done. Those wind farm dimwitts should have done their homework.

[@jmartin3955]

This company mined the rock and turned in to a finished construction material. The rock is the minerals in question. Cell phone towers are not constructed in the same fashion. I’m Osage I live within a mile of the noisy things. Terrible noise. Eagle killers too. I talked a person who checks for dead birds and she said she couldn’t find any. I mentioned that the coyotes get to them while they are fresh and drag them to their dens.

[@thomasperkins1513]

They may actually be,but they got the requirements from the tribe and adhered to the land lease,these folks didn't, it's a slap in the face and very disrespectful...

[@blackswanf4u]

@@jmartin3955 do you wanna know how many birds get killed by airplanes, drones, helicopters, fences, the fumes from oil and gas?

[@ChrisBuss77]

Pro-TIp > When you have a functioning US Department of Justice the Osage make one phone call and nobody builds anything on their land.

[@douglemay7989]

Pro-Tip>When 50,000 federal workers are fired, you will be on hold until February.

[@ChrisBuss77]

@@douglemay7989- Pro-Tip > Trolls try and change the topic in chat - Google which President ran the Justice Department in 2010 when this went down and I'll bet a cup of coffee and a doughnut you voted for him.

[@mikeferryall1424]

That's my fear with this ruling. If I disturb dirt in Osage County, do I need to go through the Osage Minerals Council now? I read (in the news) and understand the arguments from both sides. This seems like an easy dispute to settle. It looks like either Enel refused to budge on their position or the tribe really didn't want those wind turbines.

[@oil_molecule]

So they got a lease for the land, but since they are farming wind Osage nation wants a cut because they call it farming minerals like gas and oil. It’s just greed not a land dispute.

[@bazzer621]

It's not only a win for the indigenous people but a win for the wise people of the world!

[@jeribear880]

Absolutely!👍🏽

[@tedclutter7326]

Enel is the largest utility in Italy! It is a foreign firm!

[@bay2michael]

🤡

[@gsleatherworks2442]

If you or I fail to get all required permits from all authorities with jurisdiction for any construction….. We get a huge fine, have to tear it all down, and start from scratch. Oopsy! Somebody didn’t do their due diligent research!!

[@markusstevens9547]

But WE, unlike the wind companies, haven't invested MILLIONS of dollars to start. Boneheaded judges jump in and protect corporate American from bully plumbers trying to protect their little plot of land.

[@wisepati123]

But who didn’t do the research? Did the Osage nation not ask enough questions? Or did the utility company not ask enough questions? Perhaps it was the lawyers who drew up the contract.

[@gsleatherworks2442]

The company is ALWAYS the responsible party as the local authority is who issues the permits! The Osage nation IS one of the authorities!! Lawyers? Who’s lawyers drew up the contract? Answer: it still does not matter as it is the AUTHORITY who issues permits and it is the SOLE responsibility of the company desiring to build to ensure they get all relevant permits/approval from ALL authorities with jurisdiction. Osage nation: keyword is NATION. that’s the first hint on who has the FINAL say.

[@lfrost6718]

Wonderful judgment! It is way past time that indigenous people receive the respect and compensation they deserve.

[@ml-jt6eg]

Which people? The ones that conquered and kill other people living there. Grow up the world has always been a take from others.

[@khatdubell]

""""indigenous"""" She looks like she's 1/64000000th .

[@wisepati123]

So they entered into a contract with these people, so I’m not sure why it has anything to do with being indigenous. The contract seemed to have been poorly drafted.

[@mangographics225]

Such good News - take your dominion!! Now make them remove them!!!

[@raygunreagan2274]

Surprised they looked up from their bottles long enough to notice

[@DonaldMains]

How does adding turbines have anything to do with mineral rights? I'm confused. The minerals are unaffected.

[@Bit01]

Look up how big and deep the foundations are for wind turbines.

[@lalapo5304]

It includes the air.

[@robertlee7606]

@@Bit01, you look it up and tell us!!

[@jeffnorris8848]

This is about FEDERAL LAW AND REGULATIONS. "Mining means the science, technique, and business of mineral development including, but not limited to: opencast work, underground work, and in-situ leaching directed to severance and treatment of minerals; " Not only did the tribe sue but the Federal Government did as well. "As reimbursement for the lengthy prosecution of the case, the United States and the Osage Minerals Council received a substantial judgement for attorneys’ fees and costs."

[@markusstevens9547]

The Federal Gov't, too? That means people on this page need to back off and learn exactly what's going on.

[@jeffnorris8848]

@ I agree. The news report does not give necessary background. I wish people would dig a little before they start complaining

[@PenelopePitstop0078]

I’m in favor of wind energy, but more in favor of the Osage Nation being RESPECTED.

[@Revkor]

wind energy is stupid. not remotely reliable, short life span for the the turbines and bad for people who live near them.

[@markusstevens9547]

Thank God a pro-wind energy human with common sense. Thank God again.

[@nlenzi6315]

@markusstevens9547 And you believe this nonsense simply because someone says so? Are you kidding me? Your 1st mistake is believing what the government is selling without researching on your own. Stop it!

[@genemrichardsonjr]

Respected why? They should be glad we dont move them.

[@PenelopePitstop0078]

@@Revkor ok, what about solar energy fields, producing electricity for a million homes in the region, for a fraction of current energy costs? What about wave generated energy or turbines out in the ocean, away from ppl? Did you know that China has perfected the materials & battery storage capacity for rooftop solar systems, at a cost of about $40. a month? Why can’t Trump use the obscene multi millions, dedicated to his Inauguration, and install solar panel systems on say, 500K homes. Why can’t he be a leader for the good of all?

[@davestir5743]

What I want to know is why do they need a mineral permit for a wind generator? Mineral resources they listed, wind wasn't on that list. Regardless, thanks for the waste of resources for letting it get this far, only to destroy the wind farm. I never want to hear the Osage people talk about the environment and how it needs to be protected again. Because regardless they knew the company was leasing the land for the wind turbines to be installed. So after some reading, it seems that the holes made for the bases of these turbines which they turned around and back filled around the turbines the dirt they removed is considered precious minerals to the Osage Mineral control department. I find it funny, that the environmental damage impact of this will only grow more because it basically comes down to they used minerals (the dirt) without a permit, minerals that weren't per say removed, just re-used. And the mineral rights owners didn't get paid for it. Thus this is all about not getting paid money for something that wasn't sold for profit. Now I could understand where they may have them pay for those permits plus penalties and fines, etc...but to destroy something across 8400 acres seems very environmentally unwise. You want to blame the power company for greed; however, the mineral rights is being just as greedy behavior wise here. I find it funny that the environment impact of this comes down to not paying for basically dirt when they made the holes for the foundations. There had to have been a better way of doing this, like giving the turbines to the people, making a certain percentage of the profits for years to come go to the people....but destroying all of it? That is laughable, especially when they think that is a win.

[@PChazman1]

The cost of removing those turbines is gonna be huge.😂😂😂

[@MM-fq9gi]

Low cost electricity is a blessing..

[@volvojohn9036]

AND WHERE IS THE LOW-COST ENERGY?

[@danieljoseph4625]

Where are you getting that "blessing" at?

[@CITIZENSDOGE]

After the wind turbines are removed. There will be a brand new casino, hotel, and gas station on that so-called sacred land.

[@davesnothere8859]

that isn't a mine or mineral extraction. Sounds like someone thinks they should get a cut they didn't get. This isn't at a dead end yet.

[@carlhicksjr8401]

The generator company tried to act like the Osage didn't have regulatory rights over their land. The law says they do. One presumes that the generator company is fully aware of the laws and regulations relating to their business. But let me put this out in the middle of the table where everyone can see it: Did the Osage try and shake down the generator company in order to get the needed permits? It's possible. The Sioux and Navajos have in the past. I point this out because there is a possibility that this isn't a race/privilege issue but a corruption issue. Graft and corruption don't care what race you are and payola happens everywhere. But being 100% fair to all parties, none of this may be the case at all. This could be one of those rare times when everything is as presented. What will probably happen is that the generator company will declare bankruptcy and abandon the turbines to the Osage. They will, of course, not spend money to maintain the turbines so the Osage will inherit a wind farm where perhaps 75% of the turbines don't work.

[@nicolewembley3093]

How did they get put there to start with, now its a problem?

[@simsreject5925]

Think of the tribe like a giant HOA. The property owners let the company build the windmills on their own property. They're probably getting $10k/year per windmill. The Tribal Council HOA didn't like it or wanted a kickback, so the Karens on the Council sued to get them removed.

[@ifixphns]

What a waste

[@beverlyweber171]

they fought it from the beginning.

[@freddyhollingsworth5945]

@@simsreject5925 this is 10000% accurate. I live in this area, but not part of the tribe, this is exactly what caused all this drama, the tribe wanted a bigger kickback and got greedy. The land owners are more than happy and being more than fairly compensated.

[@Madkalibyr]

@@simsreject5925oh no, they’re getting a lot more than that lol

[@watomb]

Seems like a money grab

[@katiesioux7757]

Yea definitely a money grab by the scandalous wind farm company for over a decade. They need to pay up! Companies always try to get over on tribal land and the government usually lets them

[@fromhigherground4272]

Money grab for whom?

[@linear7d]

$300,000 is certainly not a money grab.

[@watomb]

@@linear7d wait and see now they have to work out a deal or take them down

[@simsreject5925]

​@@fromhigherground4272the Tribal Council and its members. It's always a money grab for the Council.

[@davemiller6932]

More on this. Why did the tribe allow it to be built without a permit? By the time the company invests the money,they say it is "illegal". What usually occurs is they demand a new lease with a much higher payout. Same strategy was used in Wisconsin over a road. Houses were owned by non tribal members. The lease for the road(owned by tribe) expired. They closed the road. Demanded 18 million to open it up. For 8 houses.

[@snomo1]

Exactly! We should respect the natives land, and heritage. But cases like this show how ridiculous these leases can get, and in these two cases are being abuse be the natives.

[@CoachellaGuy]

Why don’t they work out a deal where they get a percentage of the profits from the energy produced? It seems like such a waste of money removing them.

[@user-gl5ux5xk3k]

and if someone did that on your land is that what you would do?

[@CoachellaGuy]

@, I believe I heard that they leased the land, they just didn’t get permission to install the wind farm.

[@daniellineberry8879]

​@CoachellaGuy there has to be more to this story, how did all of this get installed without them knowing?!

[@lalapo5304]

Because they are Indian. They don't trade their rights for profit.

[@kellyzillmer3932]

How does a sovereign nation keep getting the majority of their funds via the US taxpayer???

[@SpottedHares]

Party of the treaties, a bribe to keep them from being a problem.

[@jonathanalderman7705]

Martha's Vineyard is 100 square miles (appox 65000 acres) more than enough room for all those wind turbines.

[@jarrettesselman8144]

Racist

[@jonathanalderman7705]

​@@jarrettesselman8144 Blue haired liberal warriors use that word so much it has no meaning anymore 😂 (if anything i'm 'wealthist' for my comment)

[@jonathanalderman7705]

@@jarrettesselman8144 Bluehaired liberal warriors use that word so much it has no meaning any more 😂 (If anything my comment would make me a 'wealthist')

[@jonathanalderman7705]

@@jarrettesselman8144 Bluehaired warriors use that word so much it has no meaning anymore 😂 (If anything my comment would make me a 'wealthist')

[@joeyguam]

Osage Nation, please negotiate with this company. Keep it running and collect the money. You can help other people with the money 😊

[@chriscasey7113]

Since when is wind a mineral? And all of this is over a permit? Ridiculous.

[@DCSIDPA]

Why did the company say the "Would Not" apply for the necessary permits?

[@dakotaconners107]

They know they have the Federal Government's backing (as it is for now). When did you ever see the liberal Democrats ever follow the law when it came to their policies (in this case to advance Green energy).

[@ml-jt6eg]

Cause they weren’t mining for minerals

[@odbo_One]

Because they wanted more than what it really cost and plus they are not interested in mining rocks and clay.

[@truthcentral4884]

I bet you the Biden Administration has something to do with this

[@truthcentral4884]

Listen they were involved in everything. They were planning to take control of everything. Is plan was in effect during Clinton. But Obama is the one that started this. That's why we have people checking everything they've done they've already found over a trillion of dollars of waste

[@DianaSmithStover]

Thank you for fighting my grandmother was on the trail of tears.

[@richardbarron8869]

I AM SORRY THAT SHE WAS! ANOTHER OF MANY MISDEEDS TO THE RED MAN NOT JUSTIFIED!

[@richnoggin7524]

Her men should have fought for her.

[@ronaldlee3537]

I live in Calif, and I have seen the acres and acres of windmills by Palm Springs and also near San Francisco. I think as part of the buiding, they should include a fee for removal when the windmills reach the end of life.

[@bobbydawg1652]

If i was the tribe if the company doesn't remove them I'd take over ownership and keep them running and get a permit to sell the generated power to the power company in that area!

[@PeterRuzak]

Give ownership of the wind farm to the Osage reservation.

[@treasuretrails]

Let's go team big oil! Get rid of that stupid green energy!

[@TheJunkymagi]

Wait... 0:50 they failed to get permits through the MINERALS council? They did lease the land, not to dig up minerals but to put up windmills and that was what they paid for... why would they need a MINERALS permit if they are not mining for minerals? Osage owns the rights to oil, gas and other minerals 01:12 and have to get a permit for any MINING! But they aren't mining, they just dug relatively small holes for foundations. So what if they dug holes for the bases? Do people who build houses also have to get permits to dig foundations for their homes? It's ludicrous. 2:00 that woman just screams HOA Karen to me...

[@jeffnorris8848]

The hole for the foundation of the turbines is 10ft deep and 60 ft wide. The material they used to pour the foundation came out of that hole. Surface lease vs Mineral lease

[@blackswanf4u]

@@jeffnorris8848 it's still not mining, foundatiuon work is the same as for any larger infrastructure project. needs to be sturdy. arguing with "Minerals" Rights is gonna loose if the corp drags this to a higher instance. They leased the land, got the contract, and now some dickheads thought they wanted to get a larger piece of the pie aka proceeds without taking the risk involved with it... corp will win once this gets appealed to a higher court,.

[@jeffnorris8848]

@@blackswanf4u Federal regulations are Mining means the science, technique, and business of mineral development including, but not limited to: opencast work, underground work, and in-situ leaching directed to severance and treatment of minerals; THE " dickheads" include the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and it has already been reviewed by the 10th Circuit.

[@TheJunkymagi]

@@jeffnorris8848 "The material they used for the foundation.." Are you saying they made rebar and cement out of what they dug out? Nope, I've seen those bases being built, they are all cement and rebar, no filler. What they dug out was left on site.

[@jeffnorris8848]

@@TheJunkymagi The used the material To accommodate these foundations, Osage Wind dug large holes in the ground. This process involved the extraction of soil, sand, and rock of varying sizes-all of which was of a common mineral variety, including limestone and dolomite. Rock pieces smaller than 3 feet were crushed into even smaller sizes and then, after each foundation was poured and cured, the crushed rocks were pushed back over the hole and compacted into the excavated site. Larger rock pieces were then positioned next to the holes from which they came.

[@briancoughlin6732]

Put them in liberal states

[@lalapo5304]

i wouldn't be saying that If I were you. Red states power grids are failing and can't handle even strong wind or freezing temps. Grow up.

[@drbichat5229]

The business is to use the government money. Whether the wind farm exists afterwards or not doesn’t matter

[@ronnieterry4916]

Why was the land owners just sitting on their hands and allowing the wind turbines to be built. If there was problems why wasn't the wind turbines why wasn't the project blocked after the first structure was built. Now after eighty structures are built now there is a problem?

[@mikehutton3187]

How come the Osage didn’t stop them before they started digging the holes? They didn’t pop up overnight. Duh

[@mikew9468]

That’s exactly what I was thinking. They knew what they were going to build on the leased land. Why didn’t they address the problem when they first started excavating?

[@genemrichardsonjr]

I'm expecting the Osage criminals to take possession of the turbines and not allow them to be dismantled thus keeping all the revenue for themselves.

[@warrenlun2903]

@@genemrichardsonjr Possession is 99% of the Law. They could easily topple them and sell for scrap.

[@lalapo5304]

Duh because projects can be started and even finished BEFORE the permit is granted to USE them.

[@danieljoseph4625]

@@genemrichardsonjr fighting for their land and they're the criminals? I'm sorry for your loss at the Little Big Horn.

[@Designarchi1]

It's a stretch to say installing these wind turbines was a mining operation. This counsel said nothing until after the entire development was done.

[@markusstevens9547]

Supply some documentation that your comment is accurate. Proof, that is. I can say you have baloney up to your eyeballs without proof. But, I won't say that cuz I don't have proof. Do you?

[@LIONTAMER3D]

Correct, the premise under which the court allowed itself jurisdiction is flawed.

[@lalapo5304]

It's not a stretch, it's in black and white.

[@zamar2158]

I think you mean the council of the tribe, not the legal counsel. I wonder that too - who signed off permission to build? And did they not get the agreement of their community by referendum ? Was it just council quorum and signature.

[@pauldowden4747]

Understand the theatre here. The Osage Counsel is negotiating for more money. Last words of the tribe member: “make them pay for that.” (e.g permit games)

[@jackmeoff9299]

Greed will get them nowhere and then they will complain they are not making anything😂

[@louistan7560]

There are oil deposits under them! Things don't happen suddenly without reason and hollow concern.

[@MrWorstNews]

Are we removing the cartels too?

[@twain3074]

Enel Green Power is an Italian Corporation.. One suspects that if they had done due diligence and negotiated with the Osage, that the court case would not have come.

[@zamar2158]

Yes, even if they are not a signatory to UNDRIP it makes sense to get FPIC from the tribe.

[@wisepati123]

Or maybe the Osage could’ve asked more questions about exactly what would have been done. My feeling is they are embarrassed that they didn’t ask enough questions about the construction of these things and now have regret.

[@twain3074]

@@wisepati123 ..well, clearly, the Enel didn't follow the law, else they would not have lost so massively..

[@davidasimpkins]

it cost more oil to build the turbine, oil the turbine and pour the concrete then to just use oil.

[@lalapo5304]

False.

[@JanBruunAndersen]

Crazy. The wind farm company digs a few holes for the foundations for the wind mills, and suddenly this Minerals Board comes screaming "You are mining on our land and need a mining permit"? What's next? A 6 year old child burying her dead hamster in the backyard will also need a mining permit?

[@lalapo5304]

Read the law simp.

[@haywoodjay385]

Well that's a weird assessment. Wind is not a mineral, it isn't mined nor is it extracted....

[@davidmartin4795]

Is the next step really to tear down the wind farm? That means further damage to the land with no benefit from the turbines. I hope that negotiations have begun for an apology and restitution.

[@georgeferrante9560]

Some people believe that electricity is produced in that wall receptacle.

[@jameswhitaker163]

Some people are never happy , regardless of what they’ve agreed to

[@jackmeoff9299]

Greed will get them nowhere

[@BoreasCastel]

Yep, I saw a case that reached the Supreme court in Canada about 20 years ago. Natives had agreed to an airport and then didn't want it. They were carefully told about the noise and pollution, but decided to change their minds and pretended they'd been duped. Like anyone can afford to build an airport and then tear it up. They lost that one. There case was so weak, it never should have made it to the Supreme court.

[@lalapo5304]

Watch the video. it was not agreed to.

[@smokeywilly4364]

I’m part of the Cherokee Nations, and I still think this woman is living in the past. Obviously they’re not pleasant to look at, but given the alternative? Part of living in civilization is learning to adapt with it. I don’t see her complaining about her centralized heating/cooling, car she drives and her refrigerator. Or all of the other modern technological comforts she has. At least this one is to help preserve the land that she cares about.

[@josephboyce4522]

You are completely missing the point.

[@garrettsilva5025]

Those wind farms aren't "sustainable energy." The maintenance cost on those makes it not even worth it to put in. They only have a 20 year lifespan and after that the company ditches them and the landowner is left to clean up the mess we're fighting against the installation of more of those wretched things here in my county in Texas. As well as a solar farm. It's not "clean" energy if you destroy thousands of acres of clean land to put bullshit man made garbage there

[@lalapo5304]

Did you even go to school? the farms were ILLEGAL! Jesus...

[@victorharden5906]

Make them pay and for sakes, leave the turbines. We drove through there just before Christmas. They’re beautiful.

[@patseemore5019]

The damage they will do removing the wind turbines, will be substantial.

[@maggiesdad100]

It's hard to fight big business and they know it. This is a great win for the people.

[@michaelpowell7120]

Yea, Whyte People

[@Fleabag707]

Since when is wind considered a mineral?

[@2PumpSquirtU]

Long ago, Corporate lawyers sliced and diced every conceivable asset that could possibly claimed. We hear about these only when something like this happens.

[@markusstevens9547]

It's the mineral UNDER THE wind turbines that the OSAGE Nation wants. It doesn't matter what those minerals are. It's the minerals deep underground and maybe not so deep.

[@Fleabag707]

@@markusstevens9547 That's a shady answer, cause the OSAGE Nation leased them the land, they are just butt hurt because they didn't pay a kick back for the bullshit Nation Permit for putting up the Turbine...they say exactly that in the video in their own words.

[@lalapo5304]

It's the law. You and I can't collect rainwater, can't build our own wind turbines, can't intercept radio signals, without possible prosecution.

[@terrypaulson7838]

Their ugly as hell besides iritating chop noise's.

[@erasmoganceres4376]

So is living without sustainable energy. For every 100 spins, a single turbine can generate enough energy to power 10 homes for 7 days. And you'll get 100 spins in less than 5 minutes.

[@edzhead22]

theres a strobe light effect when the sun is behind them...very annoying

[@jmartin3955]

I within a mile of them. They create terrible noise.

Bizarre comments from big oil shills. Wind and solar are the way forward to halt the destruction of the planet.

[@bradbutcher3984]

Driving north from Brownsville TX is wild at night. There are hundreds of them as far as you can see and all their flashing red lights are in unison. Being a lifeflight helicopter pilot would be nerve racking down there.

[@luckylittleoldme]

THANK GOD. WASTE OF GOVERNMENT OUR MONEY!!!

[@madboyreadynow28]

How did they build it in the first place? I say keep them and allow the Osage Nation to benefit from them.

[@EmporerGreg]

after watching a company blow up the used wind turbine and leave it on the ground and farmer could not let the cows eat the corn harvest trash as hundreds of thousands of fiberglass splinters across the land, closing the whole acerage.

[@jamespilbeam209]

I'm hoping they get huge, huge financial settlement along with rehabilitating the land damaged on a separate area in the ruling. You go people!!😊

[@andrewday3206]

@@jamespilbeam209 They leased the land legally. The wind farm lost because removing rock to build the foundations of the turbines was deemed “mining”. The entire lawsuit is ignorance at an amazing level.

[@harveyjohnson7852]

Energy. When their energy costs go up or they can't get any energy. They're gonna miss those wind turbines. People are ignorant.

[@lalapo5304]

Goof.

[@lqsi12]

the rightful owners the tribe, their laws and as a tribe they should be respected. Hasn't the American Indian been disrespected enough ?

[@jonnyfendi2003]

No… Pioneer Womans family bought up their land now they are worth hundreds of millions of dollars

[@hughjass-pz3cp]

what has the american indian done to be respected? they supported the british back in 1776, and again in 1812. how did that work out for you?

[@lqsi12]

@@hughjass-pz3cp JA its seems you cannot realize that this was THEIR COUNTRY

[@wisepati123]

I don’t know. It seems to me it was a poorly negotiated contract and that the Osage nation did not ask enough questions and now they have regret. Potentially those wind turbines could’ve given them free electricity for a long time.

[@aja1071]

Bravo , justice reigns.

[@michelehaderer8069]

Keep fighting, Osage Nation!

[@bryanterry6387]

Reasons why wind power can not replace fossil fuels a 2 MW wind turbine weighs 1688 tons: 1300 tons concrete that equates to 300 cubic yards of Concreat, 295 tons steel, 48 tons iron, 24 tons fiberglass, 4 tons copper, .4 tons neodymium, .065 tons dysprosium. The funny part of this equation it the wind generators use the most electricity of anything around where I live. They work like a alternator on a car they have to have electricity or like a car a battery to start making power. They're not a true generator. Generators doneed power to make power.

[@markusstevens9547]

Did you notice how few people commented on YOUR comment. It's because they have no understanding knowledge of wind developments and the negatives---of which you mentioned. I have a list of 33 negatives that no one on FB since I first posted them in 2016-17 can counter with a mere 5 to 10 positives other than MONEY, MONEY, and MONEY.

[@bryanterry6387]

@markusstevens9547 yes I did. All of this green energy isn't green to make. Solar so many components have to be mined we can't do it here because of the same people that want us to use them it's counterintuitive to make so we get the minerals from China where they use slave labor and that's ok as long as we dont see it 🫣🤫. Just look up the process of making them very harmful to the environment. Wind turbines ruin the land where they're placed. Cattle don't like being around them they kill alot of birds. The area that they cover is like taking 8 4 door long bed pickups make a square on the top of the ground that's the surface area but thats on all sides just like a 🎲 dice it's next to impossible to get that back out of the ground. Man can't make anything better than God has provided for us such as petroleum, coal natural gas. These are the best energy sources. The green crap is just making a tree huger rich. That's it in a nut shell.

[@bryanterry6387]

@markusstevens9547 Yes, I did. Basically, people need to look up what it takes to build a wind turbine or what it takes to make solar panels. If the government didn't subsidize these things, they wouldn't make money. Just like ethanol , it takes so many resources to make for a very low outcome

[@HustleMuscleGhias]

Add to that list a crap ton of land for each turbine.

[@lalapo5304]

How short sighted of you. To think wind is the only source we will use. Lol!

[@mrglasecki]

🤣😂 and no outside tech investment will ever do business with your sovereign right of legalized extortion

[@agricola]

You say that as if it were a bad thing

[@mrglasecki]

@agricola moms was Ute, just saying investment capital is hard to acquire, deliberately undermining an agreement using legalized greed is a white thing 🤗

[@lalapo5304]

Good. Keep them out.

[@jmspegel]

Good for justice!!

[@xnubuy]

So you leased them the land for a windfarm and then you sue them for putting up a windfarm if I were the company I would sue them back for leasing them the land without having the intention of letting them have the windfarm... It's like renting someone an apartment and after they signed the lease they say sorry you can't stay in the apartment

[@dwighthaberly1199]

And the company will write a big check to the right someone in the tribe, and continue on like nothing happened.

[@terrencekane8203]

How does one single municipal judge have this kind of power in america? Imagine a judge in Mississippi ordering all nuclear plants closed. You can't.

[@lalapo5304]

That's what judges are for simp.

[@JonDisnard]

Characterizing this as "mineral rights" is absurd. Digging a hole to pour foundation is not mineral extraction, not mining related or adjacent. Sure this cannot be the only basis for the removal? However, if the community there has laws, then those should be respected.

[@mariusfacktor3597]

I agree. The Osage Nation has a right to make their own laws. But it just so happens their laws in this case are absurd and counterproductive. Permitting shouldn't be used to remove green energy.

[@lalapo5304]

Hey bright eyes, if the government can come after us for taking minerals out of the sky then we can go after them! Mineral rights INCLUDE air and rain.

[@theforeman1097]

Smells like an old fashioned shakedown!

[@dannyjohnson5752]

Why in the hell did the Ozark?Just let them put all these wind turbans up and are now trying to have them taken down that don't make sense

[@lzed223]

But who authorized the construction? What did I miss here ?

[@markusstevens9547]

If the wind company didn't have the proper permits, they decided to build on their own and hope they would bully the ONation into submission. They rolled the dice. They lost. Now their crying to the mama

[@lzed223]

@@markusstevens9547 Why take the chance on something so costly? Greed ? ((Stupid Greed)

[@lynnb3431]

What a great judge stands for justice

[@hisheroship]

Every winter turbine gets ripped down as a win. What an ugly sight..

[@lalapo5304]

Child.

[@mikeef747]

Don't cry when the cost of power goes up in the region.

[@Dixie.1818]

All The windmills just didn't appear overnight...wasn't there Any Prior Litigation when the Company started diggin holes... Or did they wait till they erected them, then tried to hustle for the payoff...?

[@spudrubble]

When did wind become a mineral on the periodic table?

[@Chay-i1q]

US talked about HUMAN RIGHTS abuses in China...but how about HUMAN RIGHTS in their homeland.

[@lamontpearce170]

The US, is good about do as ,I say, not as I do.

[@zamar2158]

No comparison actually. Lack of human rights is why china gets things done quickly while the US dithers in court. Not saying it's right, it is what it is.