KLM To Ground Aircraft?

[@bluevking]

Having worked as a pilot for 20+ years, it is not only about getting paid more. Each year management tries to “optimize” even more to make crews work even more. Kick-back is starting by pilots taking the option to go part time to get a better work/life balance. You work to live, not live to work. Family and health should be prioritized.

[@jantjarks7946]

Flexible until burnout. Is that anything new? I can't blame any pilot, nurse, firefighter, teacher or policeman (etc.) to take a step back in order to stay healthy. Many don't and some even pay the ultimate price.

[@Papaondas]

Trying to have a normal life as an airline pilot is a utopia , airline piloto life is not a easy life is a way of life full of sacrifices and that is part of the glamour of our job , so do not ask your airline employer to give you what is impossible to give in order to keep a sustainable and secure business.

[@swanvictor887]

ITs almost as if laying off thousands of pilots without a second thought during covid, wasn't a wise move? "Loyalty" stretches two ways, Airlines....

[@ablietski]

That's not true at all. Pilots were not fired without thought. No one was fired without thought. What you are referring to is the early retirement of older pilots during covid and just FYI, they were VERY generously compensated for it.

[@swanvictor887]

@@ablietski there are pilots with you tube channels whom would strongly disagree, including a very beautiful A380 pilot whom along with her male counterparts, were laid-off by Etihad almost without warning. Many airlines panicked and listened to their accountancy department before their Engineering and Logistics department.

[@ablietski]

@@swanvictor887 I am not talking about other airlines, this video is specifically about the situation at KLM. I fully agree with you in regards to the situation at other airlines.

[@hasco1218]

i think making the training fee more affordable will have a huge impact on the number of new pilots, many that i know are actually ready to step into the industry even when it takes a lot of their personal life time, i know health is a different kind of concerns but i dont see anyone will go that far risking his health.

[@747forever9]

Thanks for this Dj!!

[@andrewbismire6538]

I agree with most of these comments, airlines treat many of their staff as disposable and pilots often don't get paid well while working tough hours.

[@westerlywinds5684]

I don’t feel any sorry for someone that makes $250.000,- annually, plus perks. Many occupations you work hard, long hours, for less than half the money, like me, bus drivers. Same responsibilities, a lot less pay.

[@airrd]

@@westerlywinds5684USD? This is a European airline... where did you get this figure from lol

[@westerlywinds5684]

@@airrd Aviation forum.

[@qtdcanada]

If the pilots are trained to fly different planes, the impact of pilot shortage would NOT be as severe as if pilots can fly only one type of plane. I would say that airlines using Airbus planes have a (slight?) advantage in being able to juggle their schedules and flight routes, as their pilots could plug the hole with the most shortage.

[@rikamunchenmartins2235]

Thank you so much John Byrne and Chris Pell,don't never give up you can do it.💪🏻🇧🇳🇮🇪

[@mineraalwater]

im going all in for the klm flight academy

[@brucemckean2848]

For decades airlines benefited from a flow of ex-military pilots into civilian roles. Not a straight transition, obviously, but as older, more mature and with thousands, not hundreds, of flight hours they have an obvious - er - flight path. And how has military aviation (and the pipeline to civilian) expanded in recent decades? Not a complete explanation but certainly a factor.

[@obelic71]

Thats why the RNLAF is pissed that KLM is luring active fighterpilots to become pilots for KLM. Its even become a political and NATO issue because the RNLAF and NATO needs more then less pilots

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

In most countries, ex military pilots make no difference at all. There simply isn’t enough. Also, military pilots don’t actually have a lot of hours. A Dutch F16 pilot only flies 120 hours a year. He or she barely has 2000 hours after their 16 years in the military.

[@yeahbuddy300lbs]

JUST HIRE ME WTF. I have hundreds of hours on Flight Simulator

[@Papaondas]

With retirement at 55 years it becomes difficult for the management to run a company in a such competitive business like aviation with a global shortage of pilots and aviation agency’s pushing forward 2 years 65 to 67 years hold retirement age

[@TheBubblewrapboy]

Happening all over aviation now, in maintenance aswell. Airlines abused the covid situation to fire and rehire and now they are all getting payback , airlines and maintenance organisations👌

[@andreverduijn4902]

this problem is already solved

[@jouniairplanevideos]

If this is true, i don't get it even more that they just accepted these airbusses into their fleet🤦🏼‍♂️my company goes crazy.

[@killianpotworoska3096]

The collective labor agreement conditions of pilots working at KLM are completely outside the current reality of their work. In addition, they are one of the best paid pilots worldwide! KLM pilots have one of the strongest organized unions within the Dutch business community. As long as this trend is not broken, KLM will always continue to suffer from this target group! Modern pilots only have a 2-year training and this is in fact accessible to every soul. Technology has also changed the traditional profession of pilot to such an extent that the responsibility based on the past is no longer relevant. In short, the current status of pilots is entirely based on a blackmailable position that they are also used to using directly without mercy. And with which they know how to dupe an entire company and all its other employees.

[@echostrail181]

Plz tell klm to train me n I'll fly for them

[@MichaelRedding-z9o]

Sort of saw this coming with COVID elimination of so many job and now global travel as strong as ever , it will take years for new generations of pilots to emerge

[@kkrsnn5632]

Similar with handling etc staff

[@nurrizadjatmiko21]

TAKE ME KLM!! I too wanted to be a pilot.

[@gunvaldsandhaland7757]

Bad News For KLM

[@waynehumphrey1762]

Klm hedged their bets . And lost.

[@jacquesmainguy1]

Our flight to Frankfurt last summer was cancelled at the last minute, most likely because of a sick pilot or co-pilot who could not be replaced. Starting to worry about our KLM flight to Amsterdam then Oslo next summer...

[@ghostindamachine]

Take the train

[@jacquesmainguy1]

@@ghostindamachine Sure, between Calgary and Amsterdam. Super convenient. BTW, I just took about 50 of them last month, in Japan...

[@pjotrtje0NL]

Not to worry, Jacques, it’ll be OK.

[@robertrawley1115]

DJ, didn't United Airlines create one of these pilot training schools two or three years ago? Do you know if it's up and running, or since we haven't heard much about it, did they end it?

[@flymefromthemoon662]

From KLMs "What are we looking for: you fluently speak and understand Dutch and English" That's the problem

[@mw01720]

Isn’t that a requirement for commercial airline pilots? Like 75% of NL speaks English, I don’t see the issue.

[@flymefromthemoon662]

@@mw01720 Speaking English is not the problem, ofcourse not. Its the fact that you need to speak Dutch to be able to apply, thats the problem.

[@KC-up1nr]

I do.

[@ghostindamachine]

@@mw01720 Estimates of English proficiency reaching 90% to 93% of the Dutch population.

[@westerlywinds5684]

Maybe I should apply. I speak fluent Dutch. Goede morgen mijnheer.

[@not2busy]

And people wonder why all of the interest in AI.

[@rasmuspoulsen5320]

Pay them more then

[@westerlywinds5684]

They already get compensated well. Like $250.000,- annually. How much does an employee need to get paid before it’s no longer profitable?

[@RealConstructor]

Low pay isn’t the problem. It is the other way around. The earn so much they can work parttime and still have a very good salary and pension plan. Working parttime is more common in our country than anywhere else. And until about 10 or 15 years ago pilots mostly didn’t work parttime because there were enough pilots to take their place if they asked to change from fulltime to parttime. And the pay and pension plan was too low for parttime to maintain their status in life. Now there is a shortage of pilots, lots of pilots retire each year and many more want to fly or already fly parttime. Changing from fulltime to parttime is easy in our country, the company has to give the opportunity for employees to do so and lots of pilots (male and female) want to have a meaningful family life, they want to see their children grow up. Four day workweek contracts are getting the norm here, for young people and also for older people as an easy step towards retirement.

[@westerlywinds5684]

@@RealConstructor Which country is your country?

[@SoerenKrumrey]

KLM is by far the worst legacy airline out there. Only bad experiences, especially post Covid. Which is a shame, because I like the Dutch crews and always thought AMS is superior to many other European hubs. Not anymore, it seems.

[@RealConstructor]

False comment. Definitely not the worst legacy airline. Far above average. Or you must have an imaginary line of legacy airlines.

[@emilhilmy7740]

Russian airspace closure for Euro Airlines is the ones that really hitting more. As it is making Euro to East Asia routes very costly. This routes are significant for Euro Airlines long haul. Seems that's matter more then Pilot Shortage for grounding aircraft.